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free123: frosbel
this is indeed ur plan - to see to it that people argue endlessly, insult one another and go round in circle of sin debating irrelevant issues.

what is it that possessed u lately? why have u allowed peoples articles to dictate ur christian life? why are u losing ur faith and giving way to atheism gradually? what do u gain from these threads?

do u know what salvation message is? dwell on it.

that was not funny at all.

Should You not be asking, how did trinity became the central doctrine of christiandom?

Cant you see that the whole is being led astray?

Goshen360: Brother.....haven't I been teaching the truth? Just because we disagree on "some" issues doesn't mean we both lie. It means we both presented the evidence of a subject based on our knowledge which is progressive; for the scripture says we know in part. We should learn to listen to one another. You are welcome my brother.

as much as i agree with your, i had thought that the knowing in part was as per the part knowledge that was given to different apostle that they have used to pened down in the individual scriptures that made up the bible.

But it becomes "whole" when all their writings are brought together.

For me, all i need to do is allow scripture to interpret and my work is done since the "whole" of the scriptures is here.
Peace.

DP

italo: I see that you carefully avoided the matter of the Bible this time. If The Catholic Church wasn't founded by Christ, why do you believe us when we say Mark was written by Mark and it was inspired by the Holy Spirit?

Where is it written that Mark wrote Mark and it was inspired...in the Bible?

Why do you believe that all the 27 NT book we said were inspired were actually inspired?

Why do you believe in the Bible which we gave you in the fourth century?

Did Jesus tell you to read the Bible? Does the Biible mention the Bible?

catholic are are simply lying, the scriptures are exclusive of the apostles of christ.

The even made references to them.

2 Pet 3:15-16 saying,

"And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction".


[quote author=

"which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do]also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction".[/quote]can you then tell me which scriptures was peter talking about here?

"Since you said that there were no scriptures till 3rd/4th ce befor RCC wrote and gave us the bible"

peter died in the first (1)ce

Zikkyy: I see you are having difficulty understanding my posts. I know they are days of the week and that was part of the message.



What do you want me to say?



Yes the Jews had a calender with days and months. is that what you use today? or you are telling me the months January to December were named after angels? If December 25th is a pagan date, what dates are Christian dates?

we are talking about a form of worship here!

Not just using something.

If you must link it to christ it is a seriouse matter my friend.

Who gave you the example you are following?

Christianity means followers of christ.

Now it is no longer flowers of christ but followers of pegan Rites.

Zikkyy: Is there a date on the calender that is not of pagan origin? even the day your mama gave birth to you was named after something of pagan origin;

Origin of Names of Days

Sunday - ME sun(nen)day, OE sunnandaeg, translation of Latin dies Solis, "Day of the Sun"
Monday - ME mone(n)day, OE mondaeg, translation of Latin Lunae dies, "Day of the Moon"
Tuesday - ME tewesday, OE tiwesdaeg, OHG ziestac, Day of the war god Tiw, translation of the Latin dies Martis, "Day of Mars"
Wednesday - ME Wednesdai, OE wednesdaeg, mutated version of Wodnesdaeg, Woden's day, compare with Dutch Woensdag, Danish onsdag, translation of Latin Mercuru dies, Day of Mercury
Thursday - ME OE Thursdaeg from Norse Thursdagr, "Thor's day", Germanic translation of Latin dies Jovis.
Friday - ME OE Frigedaeg, "Freya's day"
Saturday - ME Saturdai, OE Saternesdaeg, partial translation of Latin Saturni dies, "Saturn's day

you have forgotten we are talking about christ birth day. And birth day in general as an example from who?

ijawkid: For the X family to come back 100 yrs later after learning about Christ to convert the okija juju day to a day to worship God only shows they are still idol worshippers with a christian veneer....the bible says flee from idolatry...don't have anything to do with it.....

Why must they convert that day that was for okija juju to worship God in the heavens??


How would God accept that kinda worship??

I think many Christians are taking Yahweh and his son as fools......many think they can just adopt pagan dates all in the name of praising God and think God accepts there worship.....

Why can't Christians stick to the bible and its precepts....??

Pagans always set the pace for professed Christians today??

Did any of the apostles ever convert a pagan holiday to worship God??

Please answer me......

The apostles lived there lives within the confines of Jesus' words.....

Even the Jewish celebrations they forfeited more or else going to convert pagan dates to praise God...

That is absurdity @ its peak,....

they forgot that Yahweh knows the origine of this celebration that it was satan's and that the two masters dont shear things in common.

We human with our short life span are blind to this.

haibe: Ok guys, whats the main reason why we shouldnt celebrate xmas? Because pagans invented it?

it is a birth day celebration and the example of those that celebrate birth day in the bible are worshipers of satan.

italo: I don't know. It's possible they did. The Bible doesn't say they did but Apostle John said that so many things that happened weren't recorded. Christmas could have been one of them. Besides even if John didn't say it, shouldn't your tiny Jehovah's Witness brain have told you that?


I don't know. It's possible she did. The Apostle John said that so many things that happened weren't recorded. Mary celebrating Christmas could have been one of them. Besides even if John didn't say it, shouldn't your tiny Jehovah's Witness brain have told you that? However, the Bible tells us she was present and aware when the three wise men were celebrating Christmas.


Billions have done so through the ages. Billions will repeat it in 2months time.


I don't know. It's possible they did. The Bible doesn't say he did but Apostle John said that so many things he did weren't recorded. Christmas could have been one of them. Besides even if John didn't say it, shouldn't your tiny Jehovah's Witness brain have told you that? However, he was present and aware when the three wise men were celebrating it.



In addition, the shepherds and Angels of God celebrated Chistmas.

Luke 2:

8 And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. 9 An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. 10 But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people. 11 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord. 12 This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.”

13 Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying,

14 “Glory to God in the highest heaven,
    and on earth peace to those on whom his favor rests.”
15 When the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, “Let’s go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about.”

16 So they hurried off and found Mary and Joseph, and the baby, who was lying in the manger. 17 When they had seen him, they spread the word concerning what had been told them about this child, 18 and all who heard it were amazed at what the shepherds said to them. 19 But Mary treasured up all these things and pondered them in her heart. 20 The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things they had heard and seen, which were just as they had been told.

Go and wrestle with that.

yes you are right.

John 4;22 and Jesus says " you worship. What you dont know but we worship what we know"

so, you and your RCC are worshiping what you dont know, so your answer above are true.

haibe: Me i dont like the way some people celebrate christmas sha Oº°˚˚°ºh, its not necessary to assign a day to celebrate the birth of christ, infact pple now take it as a day to drink alcohol, fornicate..etc, but there is notin wrong there in celebrating it as a christian should.

the spirit behind it is not God's.

Lots of bad things happened at that period and season that should not be happening had it had God backing.

You named them, cus they are endless.

plappville: If there is anyone that is totally confused to understand what Jesus meant when He speaks of ""MAN TRADITION"" That person is no one else but @Italo.

You have been over fed, i will keep repeating it, Pride is a sin.

And be informed, the bible never teaches that we should accept false doctrine as a way of learning in silent. It told us to test all spirit.
To me, The spirit following the Catholic church is a false spirit. You too should be silent because u re pretending to be a man, ur actions responds shows you are a woman.
No offence !!

dont mind the deceiver they thrive in darkness.

Imagined him wanting you to "keep quite"

What a christian is that!

Jesus said keep on asking and you will find. Matthew 7:7

well, he is not a follower of christ but a follower of tradition.

"he said that it is not only what is in the bible that christian should follow"

italo: Madam Plappville, we are waiting for the name of the Church o...and the Pastor's number so that we can confirm by ourselves whether they teach Christmas as a doctrine or not. LIAR!

they are not teaching it as a doctrine but the whole world has followed in the foot step set by RCC?

Who are you deceiving?

Do you carry on activities that are unimportant in the house of God.

Oh! Christ is now no longer important because you want to lie?

Rich4god: Plz, frosbel, ijawkid and co, plz answer this question. Does celebrating xmas makes me a sinner or a pagan? Waiting for your reply.

are you a follower of christ or a follower of tradition of men?

I thought that christ followers are "no part of the world"

your choice men.

italo: You know I have told you to go see a psychiatrist before. Nairaland will not solve your problem o.

So you didn't read the verses I gave where the wise men were overjoyed and brought gifts to the child Jesus and worshipped him. Yet you are saying no scripture to support my claim. Even though you are still yet to show me where the Bible says "Christmas is a pagan holiday". And you are yet to tell me what the wise men are celebrating.

Please go and examine your brain o.

Besides didn't the Holy Spirit say through St. Paul that you should learn in quietness and submission? Is that what you are doing?

wise men from the east/Astologers that was sent by who that you should be imitating them?

Yes, sent by the devil himself that his followers has been use to celebrating birth days and in a ploy to have christ kill they set an example for you and you are following them.

RCC has finish you.

italo: Sometimes, when I look at her posts, I wonder whether she is not reading what is being discussed or she is reading but can never understand; or she just doesn't want to understand; or she understands but can't give a good answer so she just chooses to spit RUBBISH all over the place.

I can deal with a liar like Frosbel...or a hypocrite who can never answer a straight question you put to him honestly like Ijawkid.

But I am yet to deal with this...this... *Let me not say the word*

who gave you the command to celebrate christmas that it is now binding on all christmas?

Is birthday celebration not for worshipers of satan? Why should we imitate them?

Who is the liar here?

DP

Zikkyy: @bolded......and this makes Christmas pagan? Are you saying anything originated by man is pagan?



I think the above quotes will only be relevant if Christmas was taught as a means to obtaining salvation or as a commandment from God.

are christians not suppose to be exclusively follows of christ?

Why then did you bring in what the scriptures did not command?

Are you saying that christians needed it but God forgot to include it and not even a record of it is mention in the scriptures?

[quote author=uj_sizzle]there is no quotation on d bible that said Christ was born on the 25th of Dec. Theology scholars actually thinks it fell somewhere arnd the middle of the year. History tells us that these feasts are made to replace pagan feasts...the solstice is still celebated in Ireland. Samhain(halloween) and Easter(ever wondered wea bunnys n eggs come from?) still are too.
All these events took place during the era of Constantine the pagan king and under the unction of the Catholic church these changes were made and d king forcefully baptised on his death bed.
But also at this time the true birth date of Jesus was unknown so we simply replaced the pagan feasts.
That said it wld also be important to note that as quoted earlier d 3 wise men celebrated Jesus' birth with gifts, d shepherds,zechariah n d seer rejoiced and so will we.[/quote]and so what has the date to do with christians?

But it had alot to do with the pegan.

Was the three wise men sent by God?
Why then did they miss there way to king herod that wanted to kill baby Jesus?

Why did an Angel of God have to prevent them from relating back to the king?

Every thing about this celebration is not of God.

The Astologers from the east, are they woshipers of God or woshipers of satan?

Befor the death of christ has Yahweh started dealing with people of other nations?

We celebrate people satan wanted to used in killing baby Jesus but for Yahweh intervention.

The king they reported to then went ahead and killed all children of two years and below and you keep remembering them for this action.

Good for you then.

We should look well befor we leap.

JeSoul: Plappville my sister (how body now? )

@topic, interesting. I'm going to agree with Joagbaje's take on this - at least mostly.

The pastor was wrong for indirectly 'calling you out' with an entire sermon. He should've come to you in private to discuss any issues/reservations he may have had. Also the pastor's wife should've kept what was discussed in confidence - or at the very least if she told her husband, she shouldn't have revealed the identity of the person.

That said, sister Plappville, there are certain times when its best to be diplomatic and refrain from voicing what you may truly think/believe for the sake of harmony among the brethren.

Romans 14: The Danger of Criticism

1Accept other believers who are weak in faith, and don’t argue with them about what they think is right or wrong. 2For instance, one person believes it’s all right to eat anything. But another believer with a sensitive conscience will eat only vegetables. 3Those who feel free to eat anything must not look down on those who don’t. And those who don’t eat certain foods must not condemn those who do, for God has accepted them. 4Who are you to condemn someone else’s servants? Their own master will judge whether they stand or fall. And with the Lord’s help, they will stand and receive his approval.

5In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable. 6Those who worship the Lord on a special day do it to honor him. Those who eat any kind of food do so to honor the Lord, since they give thanks to God before eating. And those who refuse to eat certain foods also want to please the Lord and give thanks to God. 7For we don’t live for ourselves or die for ourselves. 8If we live, it’s to honor the Lord. And if we die, it’s to honor the Lord. So whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9Christ died and rose again for this very purpose—to be Lord both of the living and of the dead.

10So why do you condemn another believer? Why do you look down on another believer? Remember, we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. 11For the Scriptures say,

“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,

‘every knee will bend to me,

and every tongue will confess and give praise to God.b’”

12Yes, each of us will give a personal account to God. 13So let’s stop condemning each other. Decide instead to live in such a way that you will not cause another believer to stumble and fall.

14I know and am convinced on the authority of the Lord Jesus that no food, in and of itself, is wrong to eat. But if someone believes it is wrong, then for that person it is wrong. 15And if another believer is distressed by what you eat, you are not acting in love if you eat it. Don’t let your eating ruin someone for whom Christ died. 16Then you will not be criticized for doing something you believe is good. 17 For the Kingdom of God is not a matter of what we eat or drink, but of living a life of goodness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18If you serve Christ with this attitude, you will please God, and others will approve of you, too. 19So then, let us aim for harmony in the church and try to build each other up.

20Don’t tear apart the work of God over what you eat. Remember, all foods are acceptable, but it is wrong to eat something if it makes another person stumble. 21It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything else if it might cause another believer to stumble. 22 You may believe there’s nothing wrong with what you are doing, but keep it between yourself and God. Blessed are those who don’t feel guilty for doing something they have decided is right. 23But if you have doubts about whether or not you should eat something, you are sinning if you go ahead and do it. For you are not following your convictions. If you do anything you believe is not right, you are sinning.

From the above chapter, we learn that it is perfectly okay for 2 christians to disagree and yet both of them can be right about their beliefs. Your voicing your opinion in the midst of that group may have come across as "looking down on" or "condemning" and the scriptures tell us in the bolded part above to "keep your beliefs between yourself & God" for the sake of others & harmony & peace in the church.

Notice that this is NOT about whether you are right or wrong about the issue but rather aiming for peace & respect for fellow believers who may choose to believe something different from you. Cheers girl .

but this is not about food naa! Or is it?

Does that mean we should individually toe our own course without a recurs to what the bible says? No, unless we are not followers of christ.

We are talking about celebration and worshipful honour here!

A very very seriouse thing, even business profit should not blind this out.

ijawkid: And why d hell are u yelling @ her and telling her to shut up??

Show me from the scriptures where Jesus himself celebrated his own birth day......

And why shouldn't xmas be wrong??

It has paganism written all over it.....

##The date:::pagan..
....
##The customs and rites surronding the celebration of xmas::::pagan....
....

Every single thing about christmas has no dealing with the scriptures......

Instead of you to quietly show her from the scriptures(as a good bible student) that christmas is supported or not supported by the bible,you just tell told her to ""shut up""

Is that what Jesus would do??

Mr italo......lol...

he is RCC and that is the spirit that propels them to burn people alive in fire.

italo: Shut up woman, until you are asked for your opinion.

Now where is your biblical proof that all you said about Christmas is true. Show us where the Bible says that Christmas is a pagan practice.

If it is not in the Bible, where did you get it from and why do you believe it?

birthday celebration is pegan and she has already shown it to you.

Why not show her were the bible instructed that christian should celebrate birthdays as the pegan did?

DP

Image123: @op, your pastor did the right thing, and Jo is right. like i quoted on your sabbath thread, one man esteems a day than the other. It's not a big issue or matter of salvation or acceptance before God. mesef don't observe Christmas or Sabbath, but i have no qualms with any who does. infact, Christmas rice and card dey waste for house. i recall teaching some kids some lovely christmas carols recently too.

Roman 15:4
"for all the things that were "written aforetimes" were written for our instructions that through our endurance and through the comfort from the scriptures we might have "hope""

^^^ the scriptures are never in error.

There are two birth days that are mentioned in the bible and the celebrants were devil woshipers and they both beheaded innocent people on this birth days.

And infact one of them beheaded a prophate of Yahweh in the person of John the baptist.

There is no mention of a birth day celebration of any faithful servant of Yahweh in the bible.
From Abraham to the last of the apostle John.

Let alone Jesus christ himself.

Infact the birth date of christ is not mention in the bible, is this an error or an omission on God's part? No.
It is deliberately omitted.

Because the things written aforetimes are written for our own instructions.

And what instructions do we GET the example of those who celebrate birth days and those who did not?

In whose foot step should we follow to be pleasing to God and emulate the servant of God of old?

Are we to emulate the example of the servant and woshipers of satan?

You be the judge.

musKeeto: I pity your church members. Criticism should be done in secrecy not public? Who da 4k r u?

If Paul could blast Peter in public, isn't that an example to follow?

Shouldn't the pastor be open to criticism? Shouldn't a pastor be mature enough to handle so called hotheads?

wow!

So it was that a thief dying with Jesus was cleared to enter the kingdom of God for standing with the truth.

The kingdom of God is not too far from you honest ones.

When an agnostic tells a pastor the Truth about what the bible says.

Thanks men.

italo: I see that you carefully avoided the matter of the Bible this time. If The Catholic Church wasn't founded by Christ, why do you believe us when we say Mark was written by Mark and it was inspired by the Holy Spirit?

Where is it written that Mark wrote Mark and it was inspired...in the Bible?

Why do you believe that all the 27 NT book we said were inspired were actually inspired?

Why do you believe in the Bible which we gave you in the fourth century?

Did Jesus tell you to read the Bible? Does the Biible mention the Bible?

can something clean come out of something unclean?

Then a son of Adam will have provided the ransom to free mankind from sin if something clean can come out from something unclean.

MacDaddy01: look at this jehovahs witness talking.


Commot for road.

its like you dont like them.

Whats you bible based reasons?

MacDaddy01: Catholics have traditions. Confession is not bible based. I mentioned that. It is a tradition meant to keep people in line with the eucharist.


Now, I am ex-cathiolic. I dont believe their crap but they are more christian than any protestant church you join.


name your church and let me dissect it for you.

i simply told you that you dont know your doctrine, if you do, you will know that they are not based in the bible.

Now, you simply mention one.

I will want to belief that you can do better than that.

Can we start by you listing out the catholic doctrine?

You will be very surprise how far they are from the bible.

And how contradictory to the bible they are.

How on earth they are the head of the christiandom churches beats my imagination, unless the aim is all the same.

Now, their beliefs and the ocult are basically the same.

italo: The question of "how can you" does not arise, because we created it. Simple.

I understand that you can't bring yourself to accept publicly that that Church which you hate so much is the same one that gave you the Bible which you hold so dear and true.

But perhaps you should ask your question, only with a different mindset.

Can a false and evil Church create a true and holy book?

If the Catholic Church is evil, why do I believe them when they say that the book of Mark is inspired scripture. Is it written anywhere in the Bible that the book of Mark was written by Mark? How do I know? - The Catholic Church told me so. Why do I believe? - Because it is the Church founded by Jesus Christ.

Ask yourself.

you know this are all lies,
Just as all what you teach as biblical doctrine Are lies.

Hanging on to illusion to gain credibility.

They glory that they dont get what they dished out in kind (killing innocent infidel)

Kay 17: Little bit of truth in that. However that increases the margin of error. Besides the most basic truths are universal.

very apt.

That pretty sums it all.

In fact, you simply expressed my own thinking

Kay 17: basic truths are universal.

absolutely.

But fraud will want you to suspend your sense of reason so as to be open to manipulation.

italo: Firstly, you have no proof of whether he was an Atheist or not at the time of his betrayal.

Secondly, a Christian that turns Atheist is an Apostate.

So, yes, you should ask questions on the kind of spiritual food that Calotti and Logicboy were fed by the Catholic Church. But you should also then ask the kind of Spiritual food that Jesus fed Judas that saw him go from follower and friend of Christ to "Apostate" and betrayer of Christ.

By the way the Bible says "Satan entered him."

Is it also possible that satan entered our two nairaland friends?

an apostate is not the same as an atheist.

An apostate is one that turn away from from the former faith in God though he still have the believe in the existance of a God/gods.

He may embrace another faith or not, but still have the believe that God does exist.

To his former faith he is an apostate.

An atheist in the otherhand is the complete denial in the existance of a God/gods.

As for satan entering them i cant say since they have their peculiar experiences.

My info was based on the fact that they were both former RCC members.

Goshen360: No, he is NOT God Almighty.....he is a MAN that was used and positioned in the divine act to foreshadow Christ as a type in the OT just like Joseph, Moses, Adam etc.

English Standard Version (©2001)
See how great this man was to whom Abraham the patriarch gave a tenth of the spoils! Heb. 7:4



Without genealogy is the key here. In Israel, when someone doesn't have a genealogy, such is considered without father, without mother, having neither beginning of days (birth) nor end of life (death). But was made LIKE the son of God, Jesus Christ. He is NOT Jesus Christ also but a type of Christ as he foreshadows Christ in the sense of being a Priest and King at the same time. In Israel, no king is priest and no priest is king at the same time but this MAN was. But Jesus in his human form or nature has genealogy, has beginning of days (birth record) and also record of death. The reference to "but made like the son of God" is to the eternity of Christ because in Christ eternal nature, Christ doesn't have beginning nor end of life.

beautiful.

Goshen, do you see how sweet teaching the truth is?

Good job.

The father mother issue is with regard to his priesthood, be a priest not by heridetery, from father to son just like christ, a direct appointment by God.

Handshake guy!