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Ubenedictus: i assume you are joking. Are u trying to tell me that u were asleep wen d bible said that Jesus has the fullness of the deity? Were u asleep? Or did u travel? D fact that chris posses d fullnes (there cant b anything fuller) of the deity is there for all to see. If u have maliciously and delibrately closed ur eyes to the truth, that is ur problem.

eddy1977: A false prophet is an imposter. God never called/ordained him. God does not recognize him.
However a bad prophet is a true man of God who is either undisciplined,immature in his exercise of the ministry or simply carnal.

There are many prophets of God out there.only the holy spirit can lead you across the path of one

tunshe: At this point,I think its of no use responding to anti-Islam comments on Nairaland,except for those seeking truth with relevant questions.

Recently,they castigated the Saudi Arabia and Islam on moral grounds in this thread https://www.nairaland.com/1066113/man-jailed-given-600-lashes

and applauded this action in this other thread https://www.nairaland.com/1066589/3-students-burnt-death-uniport

Some of these Nairaland Christians are clouded with sentiments,generate immature and destructive comments,gullible to listen and swallow whatever they hear and too lazy to research about Islam.

I am open to constructive criticism.

tunshe: At this point,I think its of no use responding to anti-Islam comments on Nairaland,except for those seeking truth with relevant questions.

Recently,they castigated the Saudi Arabia and Islam on moral grounds in this thread https://www.nairaland.com/1066113/man-jailed-given-600-lashes

and applauded this action in this other thread https://www.nairaland.com/1066589/3-students-burnt-death-uniport

Some of these Nairaland Christians are clouded with sentiments,generate immature and destructive comments,gullible to listen and swallow whatever they hear and too lazy to research about Islam.

I am open to constructive criticism.

Ubenedictus: u have decided to bgin joking right? phi2:6. God cannot beget anything less than himself. If d fada has d fullnes of d deity, so does d son. D fada is alpha and omega so is d son, d fada is mighty so is his son, d fada is almighty so his son, he fada works and d son does, as d father is honor so must d son, the son recieved all from his father and d fada gave him all.
Peace

Ubenedictus: Truthislight u love jumping up and down and it is really tiring. Wow! u didnt make good research, if u did u would have learnt that "equality in the Godhead is because each person has the divine essence". Equality is because dey posses d fulness of d divine nature. Go and make ur research.

now u are making noise
sorry friend, u dont know what d trinity is about. Make research.

phi2:6. Even d son asks to be honored as d fada.
sorry friend, those wu deserve d same honor has d same dignity. Learn

what is d honor given to d fada? D honor given to d fada is worship and Jesus said he deserves dat same honor. Learn.

u are joking right? D fada is called mr president, is d son called d same? No but Jesus is asking for d same honor as is father, d bible says he is God.

from d fact dat Jesus asks for d honor due to d fada. He asked for d same honor wow! He also has d fulnes of his father's nature wow! From dat fact i know that he "posses the state that makes him worthy of that honor"

yeah u will tell me again that Jesus is an angel abi? Joke

human wisdom, God has confounded it. I want to ask u, do angel posses d fulness of d deity?? Answer me.
u are joking right? Because my bible also calls yahweh mighty God.

seriallink: Come oh, who raised Jesus from the dead? If the answer is Jesus raised himself, then Jesus is God Almighty (Yahweh). But if Yahweh raised him from dead then they must be seperate entities!

How could God who cannot die, died for our sins? Wouldn't that mean that He actually never died but was playing trick on us? God doesn't lie, so, I guess there is absolutely no way He could have lied or pretended to have died for our sins when He is immortal!

Besides, If man had eaten from the tree of life he would have been immortal, which was why God expelled him from the garden of Eden - Genesis 3:22 .

My point is Jesus couldn't have been 100% man & 100% God at the same time, because God cannot die! Hence, Jesus was 100% man, a perfect man who overcame sin & died so as to reconcile man to God! My opinion ~

Ihedinobi: Didn't you say that the Spirit of God is God Himself? How does a cross between God and a human female produce an exclusively human specimen?

Ihedinobi: How does a cross between God and a female produce an

MacDaddy01: lol....how nice of Jesoul to humbly ignore my post. Soldier of christ on the run




Can anyone name the rule I broke with my thread?



1) It was not attacking anyone but making fun of myself

2) It is about religion (atheists loving to debate about God)



Jesoul, even if you are right you dont have to behave like your old self;


https://www.nairaland.com/388072/haiti-earthquake-intimate-account-providence#5392831

JeSoul: TruthisLight,

Delafruita: What the fvck is the meaning of this mumbo jumbo?

Sweetnecta: @Paris_love: Muhammad [sa] was stated as "best in character" that we should emulate. I am sure you were not a virgin at 25. "Paris, Love", uhnnn. The lol is now a laugh on you.


You are not a nigerian male, i think. You are not even a male living in Paris. You know how easy is it to commit fornication and how hard is it to avoid it? I have avoided easy pickings by following the instruction of Muhammad [sa].


reality check: i do not jump at every skirt, even when it is obvious she is game. Zaynab [ra] was a cousin of Muhammad [sa] and even when she was a virgin and cousin to cousin marriage is allowable in preIslamic makka, Muhammad [sa] did not lust for her. Instead, he made her marry Zayd [ra] and paid the dowry required. i doubt if you understand marriage and attraction of real male to virgin.s. i will marry a beautiful virgin over a non virgin. The man who was able to marry a virgin to his adopted son will not be "lusting" after the same woman after she has lost her virginity and will definitely not cook up a story to get her and turn around to tell the husband to keep his wife on the other hand. such is not a pattern of the man who was known as the most noble among his people, indeed among mankind.

what he [sa] did God commanded it and Personally vouched to the truth of his messenger-ship. A messenger is to live out a pattern of live which is an example for man to follow. so when he says to Zayd "keep your wife", it is an example that i have followed in the past 10 years. i do not want any man's wife, even if he says "i will divorce so that you can marry her". banning of adoption is a good thing because in reality it is an untrue relationship. who was it to be banned upon except Muhammad [sa] the living example? Muhammad [sa] was consistent because when he wanted to demonstrate banning of interest consumption, he did it on his uncle Abbas [ra] was practicing it. You start good deed on yourself and then your family and then those who are not as close in relationship until the whole community of man adopts the goodness.


whats noble about changing the name of a child to your name, when you can easily help them while they retain their father's name still? the same adopted son can marry your daughter instead of marrying his blood sister who he did not grow up with and does not share same last name with while you heap your name as his "fake" last name on him. or if he marries your daughter is it incest while marrying his blood sister who you are not related to is not incest?


This may just be the evidence to show that Muhammad [sa] is the Messenger because all his request were granted, while others may just pray and the prayer was rejected.


Could you explain Surah Abasa to me then. or the start of Surah Azhab or even the verse in Azhab where Allah says "there will not be any more spouse for you, even if she is pleasing to you [even if what you have now die]?


while i am not a wife beater because Muhammad [sa] didnt beat his wives [ra]. I could have beat somebody before while i read it all over the world and in nigeria that some men will slap, kick and punch their wives, so much battering she may die or get damaged including losing some teeth. Your accusation against Muhammad [sa] from the mouth of Aisha [ra] is yours alone like you accusation of God having a son from the lips of Jesus [as]. All you will answer to if you die in the spiritual state that you are in now.


Are you a pedóphile? Muhammad married a 6yr old girl and had sëx with her when she was 9. don’t say it was marriage not rãpe because a 9-year-old child is not mature enough to consent and if she cannot consent it is rapë.Aisha [ra] said she participated in her contract marriage. My wife participated in her contract marriage. I guess if a woman is capable of getting satisfied in a prenuptial contract, she may immature. That what you are saying, yet Mary got pregnant by holy ghost that his power overshadowed her. i see nothing illegal as ghost normally get humans pregnant. I have not seen a man who is a pedophile with his wife whom he married publically. yet no one accused him then.


Are you a sexist? Muhammad said women are deficient in intelligence. He also said majority of women will go to hell.while my wife is emotional, i sometimes respond to her so that she may put the emotion aside to see the issue from the practical viewpoint. and she is more intelligent than me.


Are you polygamous? This is one place you can't even imitate your prophet. Muhammad's marriage was not even sharia. He married more than 13 wives. Can you imitate him on that?Allah says in Surah Azhab "this is for you and we know what we gave the muslims, before [you see that in a sequence of verses in the beginning of surah Nisaa]". Yes. I am a polygamist. Alhamdulillah. I am sure somebody you know is.


Are you a slave trader Muhammad used to sell captured women into slavery in order to buy weapons.Could you show me this in the Quran or the Hadith which explains the verse of the Quran that says it is okay?


Some prophet he is eh?Yes. He is the best. Glory to God WHo sent him and preserved the Message in authentic Quranic Arabic.


And Allah praised such acts. How do i know you're not among those trafficking coptic christians girls in Egypt so you can buy weapons with them?
Do you have extra marital affair? Muhammad had sëx with one of his slave girls mariyah.Maryam [ra] is our mother who you call a slave, just like you called the wife of Abraham [as] a slave. Do I have extra marital affairs? No and it is so because I am copying Muhammad [sa]. Maybe you need to go to Nigeria to learn about "aristo" culture. Most people doing it are non muslim males and females.


It generated a lot of controversy. Muhammad vowed never touch his wives for 1 month. Guess who came to rescue and rebuked his wives and told them he would replace them with virgins? Your guess is as good as mine.the bold is not the characteristics of a pedophile, a rapist, etc. Allah Himself has proven your accusation false.


Do you do all of the above? If you don't come and take a handshake you're better than the man you imitate. Why imitate someone you're better than in the first place? huhI have seen all kinds of good people. I have not seen anyone as impressive as Muhammad [sa] and by imitating him, this yoruba man is not after anyone. I do not sample it.


ofcourse imitating Jesus is next to impossible.Uhm. I remember the priests dont get married. Muslims pray all night in prostration of their faces to God. some sick minds get themselves nailed to the cross every ester.


The most righteous man that walked the face of earth.John the son of Zachariah never committed any sin and prophet Jesus son of Mary called him the greatest prophet born of woman.



and who told you to take non muslims as friends? Your Quran forbids you befriending even your family members if they're not muslims. But how will survive if don't do that?[/b]the bold already proven you wrong in your 'not making friends with non muslims'. you have never looked at any tafsir of any verse and any truth is foreign to you; that includes Truth about God and His Prophets [as]. The verse in question is from Surah Maida to mean do not take non muslim of same character quality as a friend in same way or greater friend as you will take muslim. reason, even if he is good, he is deficient spiritually. this is similar to the biblical verse that tells you not to be unyoke with disbeliever like me, me that who is an infidel in your bibles.



It even forbids you marrying non muslims [b]but then contradicted itself by allowing men to marry non muslim women. Read a thread were you said married a christian woman. But you can't bear the thought of muslim woman marrying non muslim. See your hypocrisy?the bold tells me that you dont know what you are talking about when it comes to muslim marrying spouses. Allah says 'do not give your daughters in marriage to disbelievers". And "lawful for you [oh males] in marriage are muslim women, then chased women from the people of the books". Oh muslim men and women, you can not marry from outside this group, say hindus, atheists, budhhists, etc. The Quran is clear, just like the Bible is clear about marriages and hypocrisy is when you hide whats in your heart and reveal the opposite of it. My wife is now a muslim, even before i marry her.


there re verses in the quran that promotes lying.quote a single verse to shame Islam. just one verse. i know you cant is the reason i put it at just 1 verse.


Even Muhammad said "war is deceit".how is war a deceit when it is a reality? are you alright?


Remember Allah also lied and deceived the Jews into thinking they crucified Isa.I know it is your dream that your God should die. There is no reason for God to lie or deceive anyone because they or he do[es] not have ability to truly question Allah. Allah plans to make their plan and effort to kill Jesus futile. does that make sense to you or does your God had to allow His son to die in the hands of the jews so that you gentile can be saved, while you can tell me what will happen to the jews that killed him?


the jews as always. Why so much hate for people not more than 8million?Pharaoh was just one man and the jews havent forgotten him. so you want me to cover the lies of 8 million people who at least beheaded John the son of Zachariah [as to father and son]. and you have never let down on the 1.5 billion muslims. why so so much hate from you an yours? you never stop killing us with gun with bible verses inscriptions. ny the way, i now you a gentile is not a friend to a single jew. i have many as friends, an evidence that Allah did not forbid us to make friends with non muslims while Muhammad [sa] my shining "example" made friend with a young jew so much so that the father of the jew told the young man to listen and accept what Abu Kasim [sa] instructs him, as the boy was lying on his death bed, where in he accepted Islam.


Saw a thread where imam said sodomy for the sake of islam is allowed. Then again Allah promised pearl boys in heaven for what if not for sodomy!!? huhthats your imam, follow him. fornication which is easier is not allowed even if it will bring somebody to Islam. what a hypocrite you are. gay paris fits you like a glove. InshaAllah just like i ignore "sweet or fine boys with sugar in their bloods", in Paradise with my wife or wives and houris, the boys like pearls shall serve me as waiters at restaurants, bell boys and concierge boys and doorman and mail room attendants serve wealthy people on earth. I see why you are so angry because there is no sort of romance or any enjoyment in your heaven. you can still opt for my type of paradise and it is free without anyone dying to get you there.


Crimes that have no base whatsoever on the teachings of Christ.Show me the teaching of Christ. I know you can not show it because its not in your Bibles.


Most of these people have realized the real teachings of Christ and moved but muslims are stuck in the 7th century.Show me the Gospel of Jesus, or according to Jesus. You will never in 1 trillion lifetime be able to show it.


Have you heard the latest escapades by your muslim brothers in mubi? They summarily executed innocents students that failed to recite the Quran.
you should go to the thread and read my entry. if only nigeria has a leader, a living president.


Since when do putting face on the floor constitute a real act of worship?lets ask our common master Jesus son of Mary what was he doing when he had his face over and over again on the floor, at Gethsemane? If he was not worshiping God, then why was not in a church like the one you pray in today or why was he not reading the Bibles or both or even start singing and clapping hands or talking in tongues as you do, mr. paris_love?


Even idol worshipers worship the same way.and they were smart enough to imitate Jesus, while you who claim that you follow him is hypocritical enough to not make this part of your worship?


And to say your mo is the best man that walked a reality even the author of "the 100", a jewish man agrees with, placing Jesus and Moses as numbers 2 and 3.


Paris_Love, how far nau? You are in for a shock.

ogoamaka99: Dear frosbel, i mean no offense, come out and let discuss who a false prophet is otherwise stop labeling any minister of GOD false prophet.

benodic: @ Freksy:






any doubts i may have had concerning my past life experiences were cleared when i became a member of Eckankar. you see, the teachings of Eckankar are practical and gives you a 360 degrees view of life from the soul point of view. what material scientists are doing is just like, in trying to identify a person you start fiddling with the cloth the person is wearing instead of working with the real person which is Soul.

unfortunately for the scientist, soul can not be measured with physical instruments because its vibrations is beyond the physical spectrum. when you look at life from the view point of soul everything falls into place and everything makes sense. spiritual experiences are subjective experiences and can never be measured in a laboratory. it is up to the individual to prove them for himself or herself and in the process of course nobody will be clapping for you or hailing you for the reality is that people do not want to know the truth. in fact. they are scared of the truth.

it takes only the bold and courageous to undertake the journey, cross the boundaries of life and death and see things on the other side and come back to tell the story. like i said earlier, memories of all our past lives are stored in one of the inner bodies which soul wears which is called the causal body. this inner body has connections with the human brain. so on stimulations of the physical brain such memories both of past and present lives can flash across the screen of the mind. there is no big deal about that.

also the use of some hypnotic hard drugs can forcefully open the window of soul which is known as the third eye or spiritual eye and the drug abuser will have a short peep into the inner worlds which is what usually brings the euphoria. but this method of looking into the inner worlds damages the bodies that soul is wearing and can open that person up to invasion by evil spirits. this is what is meant by entering heaven through the back door. that is why drug abuse is very dangerous. infective conditions like malaria and meningitis etc also has the same effect of forcefully opening the third eye and the person becomes starts hallucinating.

that is reason why i am not bothered at all about what the material scientists are doing. Eckankar turns you into a spiritual scientist and with the help of the spiritual exercises you can travel into the inner worlds and see things for yourself as soul. you verify things for yourself and your experiences becomes your authority.
that is my take on the issue.

ghazzal: sometimes, when i read similar comments like above by christians ofcourse, i get scared like is it true, why am i a muslim, could moslems be so bad.
there is a talk by chimamanda Adichie : The danger of a single story. its important for we all to listen to it. very educative.

If i truely feel as above, why am i still a muslim, its simply because i have never seen an evidence that support what the Chriatians claim about Muhammed. Instead, his History in islam is totally the opposite that one will always keep asking what is the Christians source of information-if i see one today, i will be glad but i will first check "the author/ his history, when such evidence began to exist..." cos i keep wondering that if MO is not what the Christians claim(no proove yet)he is, what can they not do to defame MO and ISLAM.




http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/quote1.html#gandhi



“The lies which we [Christians] have heaped round this man (Mohammed), are disgraceful to ourselves only.”

A silent great soul, one of that who cannot but be earnest. He was to kindle the world, the world’s Maker had ordered so. ('Heroes and Hero Worship and the Heroic in History,' 1840).


Encyclopedia Britannica, 4th & 11th editions

“Muhammed was the most successful of all religious personalities.”



James Gavin, Speeches by a U.S. Army General

“Among leaders who have made the greatest impact through the ages, I would consider Muhammed before Jesus Christ”



M.H. Hyndman


i believe that there is need for us to keep reading for we dont know enough though we think we know

frosbel: No , he did not claim to be GOD.

They wanted to stone him because he said he was the SON of GOD, stop implying other meanings into plain scripture.

in v17 he explicitly distinguished between himself and God the father.

Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working."

then we see in v18 that the Jews wanted to stone him, not because he said he was GOD but the Son of GOD.

In v19 , Jesus further clarified his role as Son of GOD and even stated quite surprisingly that he can do nothing without the father, what does that tell you , that he is equal to GOD

Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

frosbel: he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

obadiah777: your body can function perfectly without a spirit. however it will have to be attached to lots of aiding equipments. you will be lifeless but your bodyy will be mechanically made to function. its the same with a foetus. the aiding-equipment is the placenta which supplies the body what it needs to funtion. however it is just a functioning piece of flesh. if someone goes into a coma, i think the spirit has left the body. now whether it returns back to the body is up to God. there is a woman in new york somewhere, an aristocrat who has been in coma since the seventies. they are making her body function through machine hoping that one day she will wake up. however her spirit has long departed. her name was Martha Van Bulow

Ihedinobi: Everything that I know of Christ is hard-won. I wasn't taught by any man. I paid dearly to come into every bit of knowledge of Him that I was given. I have pressed and I keep on pressing.

ifeness: You must wonder why i did not give a reply to your comments? You are confused! Try walking on a straight line. You really don't need anyone to teach you how to think.....common sense probably isn't in your DNA if you rely on the bible.

obadiah777: THATS EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING. THE SPIRIT IS WHAT CAUSES YOU TO BREATHE. WHEN YOU COME OUT AND YOU ARE SLAPPED, AND YOU START BREATHING, THATS A SPIRIT THAT WAS DROPPED IN YOU THAT MADE YOU START BREATHING. THE WHOLE BODY WITHOUT THE SPIRIT IS JUST MECHANICAL. THE SPIRIT IS WHAT MAKES IT A SOUL. FOETUSES ARE JUST PARASITIC MECHANICAL BALLS OF FLESH.

Boomark: Chuksxp:
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In the year that King Uzziah
died, I saw the Lord seated on a
throne, high and exalted, and
the train of his robe filled the
temple. Above him were
seraphs, each with six wings:
With two wings they covered
their faces, with two they
covered their feet, and with
two they were flying. And they
were calling to one another:
“Holy, holy, holy is the LORD
Almighty; the whole earth is
full of his glory.” At the sound
of their voices the doorposts
and thresholds shook and the
temple was filled with smoke. ~
Isaiah 6:1-4
Isaiah said this because he saw
Jesus’ glory and spoke about
him. ~ John 12:41
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The glory of the person Isaiah saw is the glory of God Almighty not Jesus. Isaiah 6:1-4 is just a description of what we have in Rev 4:7-8.

If you read rev 5:6-7. You will see the One that seats on the throne and what our lord Jesus(the lamb) collected from Him- a message from Him to us.

6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the
midst of the throne and of the
four beasts, and in the midst of
the elders, stood a Lamb as it
had been slain, having seven
horns and seven eyes, which are
the seven Spirits of God sent
forth into all the earth.
7 And he came and took the book
out of the right hand of him that
sat upon the throne.

I will advice you use other bible translations to compare and contrast so that you wunt be misled by people protecting a particular interest.

Concerning rev 22, what i will say must be in harmony with the rest of the bible but no conclusion yet.
But i from what am seeing, alpha and omega is exclusive for God Almighty.

Because our lord Jesus Christ was presenting a message from Him. Just like the minister sent by GEJ.

Enigma: ^^^ That they cannot deal with the passages from Revelation 22 especially shows that it is not very productive engaging them ---- the only use of the exercise has been to provide the counter points for the benefit of others.

Enigma: And Jesus also is Alpha and Omega; here is just one example of where the Bible says so clearly.

Revelation 22:12

Enigma: Yes it very much did; you know that I have quoted a longer version from revelation 22 before and I will quote it below for you again.

Before then, going back to the verse 12 above, who is it that is coming with His reward ----- is it God the father or is it Jesus Christ? Remember that the person coming with His reward is the one referred to as Alpha and Omega.


Revelation 22

JeSoul: You're welcome my friend . Godbless.

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So it should be left open because its meant to be "funny"? remember the thread Buzugee opened on you? why didn't you see the sense of humor in that one? Your choice of words esp in the title is against the rules so I'm locking it. If Frosbel comes along and says he doesn't mind then I'll reopen it. Cheers.

JeSoul: You're welcome my friend . Godbless.

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So it should be left open because its meant to be "funny"? remember the thread Buzugee opened on you? why didn't you see the sense of humor in that one? Your choice of words esp in the title is against the rules so I'm locking it. If Frosbel comes along and says he doesn't mind then I'll reopen it. Cheers.

musKeeto: U sure.. i've been using another id for a while now. maybe?

Pastor AIO: lol

musKeeto: Thanks...
[s]ps:can I get an id change? its becoming too easy for people to taunt me [/s]

Ubenedictus: u havent proved anything else

i love ya all too.

im not redefining anything, but u are arguing points i havent yet made.

i am saying he deserve equal dignity acording to nature wit his fada.

john5:23 "that all may honor d son as they honor d fada."

no! No! No! When i talk of dignity im talking about "th state or quality of being worthy of honor or respect" in the case of God i add "worship"

as u normally say, u used this to down play d glory of christ. U want to equate him to angels abi?

and his father also gave him d fulnes of the Godhood state.

u havent proved any of ur claims my friend. I have said that Jesus posses accding to nature equal dignity with his father that means that Jesus posses d fulness of dat Godhood state and is worthy of being honored and respected even worshiped as d fada. Jn 5:23.
Peace

Ubenedictus: im not redefining anything, but u are arguing points i havent yet made.

Ubenedictus: i am saying he deserve equal dignity acording to nature wit his fada.

Ubenedictus: john5:23 "that all may honor d son as they honor d fada."

Ubenedictus: no! No! No! When i talk of dignity im talking about "th state or quality of being worthy of honor or respect" in the case of God i add "worship"

Ubenedictus: as u normally say, u used this to down play d glory of christ. U want to equate him to angels abi?

Ubenedictus: and his father also gave him d fulnes of the Godhood state.

Ubenedictus: u havent proved any of ur claims my friend. I have said that Jesus posses accding to nature equal dignity with his father that means that Jesus posses d fulness of dat Godhood state and is worthy of being honored and respected even worshiped as d fada. Jn 5:23.