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Ubenedictus: i already told u that accding to nature they posses equal dignity, that is why Jesus deserve worship and d honor like dat of d fada.

yahweh, i have told u b4 comprise of 3 persons, so maybe it is time 4 u to start, reconstructing ur sentence.
are u kidding? The fact that im equal to my dad in dignity, doesnt make him any less my dad, he is still my dad. And d fact that d fada and son have d fulnes of d same nature makes dem equal in dignity, that doesnt mean d fada is nolonger fada. U are nw making silly arguements.

u may want to reconstruct.

you are a dishonest fellow.

Maybe that is what it takes to defend the trinity.

Ubenedictus: of course truth is light wont let me land b4 he buries me, did u see me argueing abt authority or power yet? No i havent, so restrain urself to my arguement and stop attacking arguements i havent made. In human dignity, all humans are equal, all u need to do to be equal in dignity to d next person is to have d human nature. Becos accding to nature there MUST be equal dignity, that is a fact. Ur prince and king analogy isnt talking about nature. I maintain all wu posses d same nature are equal in dignity. And there i stand, ur post above didnt touch my arguement, u seem to be arguing with urself.

even though you run to the ground to hide with your trinity you will be found cause it is a lie.

Truth cant hide from the lie but darkness will run when light comes.

Our effort here is because we love you

Ubenedictus: did u see me argueing abt authority or power yet? No i havent, so restrain urself to my arguement and stop attacking arguements i havent made.

friend, are you redefining trinity?

Be honest, what we are discussing is a matter of life or death, that is if you belive that God exist.

No one here is saying that christ has no dignity.

Can you quote the scripture for your argument so we can share with you and see "the light" you have?

If no, please, free yourself from trinity.
1Timothy 4:1-3

Ubenedictus: In human dignity, all humans are equal, all u need to do to be equal in dignity to d next person is to have d human nature. Becos accding to nature there MUST be equal dignity, that is a fact.

this is what trinity can do to someone.

All human are equal befor the law, and are entitle to be bestowed with a dignity entitle to human.

Another word for dignity is "ones personal pride"

are we saying that christ has no pride?

What are you doing?

Please leave the trinity alone and you will not have to go round like this in your defence of this false doctrine

Ubenedictus: Ur prince and king analogy isnt talking about nature. I maintain all wu posses d same nature are equal in dignity. And there i stand, ur post above didnt touch my arguement, u seem to be arguing with urself

yes it does,

you are only being dishonest to yourself.

Christ is a spirit and has the glory/dignity of spirit creatures.

But paul says that all sun dont have the same glory and all stars dont have the Glory, christ has his glory according to what Yahweh gave to him.

Please, let us help ourself and let trinity go its own way.

Christ teaching has no resemblance to pegan beliefs that all this pegan nations already have, it is some thing pure and mark out his flowers as being different just as the nation of Israel was different from all the nations around them.
Peace

plappville: Its a world wide doctrine, i believe, majority of professing Christians are trinitarians. My pastor preached this doctine on sunday, i was not agree with him, but didnt call his attension. Because Paul did not Instruct women to speak in the church

In a sermons radio i usually listen different preachers. alot of them so much hold on to this doctrine. But this does not make it biblical, they just can decieve the crowd its a mistery that God is 3 in one (1) While the bible teaches otherwise.

you cant register a church or be registered as part of the world christian association if you dont sign on to trinity.

You cant pastor a formal registered church and go against trinity, it as simple as that.

Most of the guys that come out to make argument for trinity just cant help it, unless they are ready to loose their jobs and leave registered christian churches affiliates to world christian association.

Its really a pity.

They need to grow more love for God/truth.

Callotti: Kill him first, then make him a 'savior'!
Eat his flesh every Sunday. . .and drink his blood too for forgiveness.

now i know where you are coming from.

You were a catholic!!!

The majority of atheist are one time catholics.

The catholic church breeds atheist by the thousand ever day.

Sorry child.

You need real knowlege not rituals and idols.
Peace

obadiah777: when you take your first breath. thats the spirit that just entered you. so that means after you leave the womb and come into the world. as an embryo you dont have a soul yet. just a mass of flesh

the fetus has life.

The fetus has blood carrying oxygen to its brain via the mother.

What is the heart pumping for?

The life/soul is in its blood.

The law of God says that if you hit a pregnant woman and she loses the unborn child, the penalty is "soul for soul"

the oxygen we breath is not the same thing as the spirit of God/life force.

If you say the oxygen is the force of life/spirit, why not then mold a statue from the ground and pump oxygen into it and see if it comes to life?

Even when some one stops breathing for upward of some minute the force of life can still be in the person for some time.

The oxygen is just to sustain the life force.

At conception the live force is already in the fetus but depends on the mother intake to continue living.

obadiah777: when you take your first breath. thats the spirit that just entered you. so that means after you leave the womb and come into the world. as an embryo you dont have a soul yet. just a mass of flesh

Guy, what is this? ^^^

Please, read the bible, eg, God's law to Israel and the psalm to get God's view point.
Thanks

Jenwitemi: That the 3 world religions, christianity, judaism and islam, are all cults because they all tick the boxes. That, my friend, is the point.

why is it when they talk about cult and secret society and the likes is mentioned you appears?

aletheia: I have not even started quoting the relevant verses in Job. . .yet. The reference given by Olaadegbu is one of them. And it is obvious you have not understood what this words mean: For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God.

1. This verse shows the pre-Incarnate existence of Christ.
2. It also shows that the redeemer is God Himself.

You string together verses and yet do not understand what they are telling you: e.g.
I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the Lord Almighty.

But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap. 3 He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; he will purify the Levites and refine them like gold and silver. Then the Lord will have men who will bring offerings in righteousness,

You dishonestly highlighted the first part "I will send my messenger" of verse 1 and "But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears?", the beginning of verse 2. Whereas the subject of the part "But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears?" is actually this part of verse 1: the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,
That is the one whose coming is referred to in verse 2 not the messenger who will prepare the way.

What is clear here in Malachi is that the Lord Almighty Himself is speaking and he says:
1. He will send his messenger who will prepare the way before me. What do the words "before me" tell you?
2. The Lord Himself will come to his temple. The Lord who comes to his temple is the messenger of the covenant.

The identity of the messenger who prepares the way in Malachi 3:1 is clear, identified and established without equivocation by none other than Jesus Christ Himself:
This is he, of whom it is written, [u]Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Luk 7:27

And the identity of the Lord in Malachi 3:1-3 is Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

The evidence for the deity of Jesus abounds in nearly all books of the bible but your perception filters cloud your vision and prevent you from seeing them.

is this simulteniouse equation that you are solving?

Lol.

Job talked about the time he will be resurrected by Jesus a messenger of Yahweh.

Infact you are inputing wrong ideas into those scriptures, the scriptures does not need your help, just allow the scriptures to speak for itself.

You mixed alot of things up that are unrelated.

Ubenedictus: Jesus is all knowing,

this is another lie from you.

Jesus is not all knowing.

He those not know the hours or the day that the father will destroy this world.

Have you seen the way trinity is causing you to lie?

Ubenedictus: hahaha phil

yet Jesus is equal to the father in time, they both existed before time was
that cant be said of Jesus because there is No BEFORE in eternity.

this part of your lies is what am interested in.

now, Colosians 1:15 says.
He(jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the FIRST born of all creation.

Yes, he is the first among the things that are created, meaning that Jesus christ has a begining.

stop this lies that will cost people their life!

If Vers 16 of that colosians 1 is read it shows the way other things in heaven and on earth came to be and why Jesus is greater than those.

So, this your statement below is LIE.

Ubenedictus: hahaha phil

yet Jesus is equal to the father in time, they both existed before time was

stop lying!

Ubenedictus: because been begotten makes u posses the same nature as the begetter thus making u equal in dignity.

now, how truthful is this statement?
Does having the same nature with your father makes you equal to your father in dignity?

The lies you people tell for the sake of the trinity is very large and is very Dangerous..
Yes, the son of a king is a prince and has royalty in him, but that in no way makes him equal to his father, his father remains all and all in the kingdom, the son is under the father.

The son can only attain to his fathers high position when the father dies and he becomes king.

This truth exposes your lies.

But since Yahweh will never die, Jesus will for all eternity remain subject to his father.

The bible says that though he(Jesus) was in God's form he did not desire to be equal to Yahweh like satan did.

Please, change your ways.

Ubenedictus: My parents begot me and i am equal to them in dignity.

^^^
now how true is this statement?
Is the dignity of a prince equal to that of the king or queen?
No

It takes very God liars like this ^^^ to defend the trinity and the bible says LIARS WILL NOT INHERITE GOD'S KINGDOM.
This is how Dangerous the trinity is.

Now, is the dignity of prince charls of England equal to the dignity of his mother the queen? NO.

Please, for your life sake dont miss eternal life because of this trinity.

Ubenedictus: that mean u are less human than ur father because he begot u. It seem u are trying to say Christ is less God than his father becos he was begotter. Apply that stupid logic to urself and i will conclude that u are an animal because anything less than human falls into d animal category.

^^^
please, every body,
that we are all human,
are all human equal in authority and power? NO.

All fingers are not equal they say.

The truth was staring you in the face but trinity blinded you to it.

Among president there are bigger president and we know that.

All angels are gods too.

Jesus is directly created personally by God and that makes him grater than the other Angels since he the prince later became Yahweh's master worker and created the Angles also.

Jesus Godship is higher than that of the Angel's but lesser than that of Yahweh.

Are all person though human equal? NO.

So also all spirit creatures are not , their are hyrachy in heaven for organizational Processes.

That is why when satan traps an Angel on aran to Daniel it took another more powerful Angel to come and freed him.

Pls, note:

liars will not INHERITE the kingdom of God.
Peace

Enigma: Revelation 22




1. Who is the person that is coming with His reward that is with Him?

2. Is it God the Father?

3. Or is it Jesus Christ?

4. Is the person who is coming not the one referred to as Alpha and Omega?


So, now tell yourself (and not me),

Revelation is a narative of two person.

The father and the son.

After calling Jesus it calls on Yahweh, and after calling Yahweh it calls on Jesus.

See how revelation 21:22,23 does this, the two names are most of the times called one after the other.

Do you want to tell us that it is only Jesus that is mention in revelation?

But it started by saying that it is a relation that his father gave to him!

Brooo! Cool down naa!

But revelation 22:1 says that the river is flowing from the throne of God and of the lamb.

2 person naa!

@enigma
did you see how easy and straith forward it was for you to spot my typo?(miss) "mixed"

well, if what you have been trying to prove in this forum so far on trinity is the truth, it will have been so simple for someone of your intellect to prove.
Just as you highlighter my typo with ease.
Peace.

dnawah: pls no verse o!what if u r on top of a girl & rapture take place?visa to hell!u don no wat u have until u loose it

the guy thinks there is a big deal in the aftermat of immorality.
Then reality sets in after, but you cant turn back the hands of the clock.

He wants to lose that which will give him pride and story to tell for the rest of his life.
I mean, a beautiful story at that.

Boomark: Thank God we are now learning. I also like what this part of mark 12 says.

Mark 12:32-34
New International Version (NIV)
32 “Well said, teacher,” the man
replied. “YOU ARE RIGHT IN SAYING THAT GOD IS ONE AND THERE IS NO OTHER BUT HIM. 33 To love him with
all your heart, with all your
understanding and with all your
strength, and to love your neighbor
as yourself is more important than
all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
34 When Jesus saw that he had
answered wisely, he said to him,
“YOU ARE NOT FAR FROM THE KINGDOM OF GOD.” And from then on no one
dared ask him any more questions.

A closer look

Boomark: Mark 12:32-34
New International Version (NIV)
32 “Well said, teacher,” the man
replied. “YOU ARE RIGHT IN SAYING THAT GOD IS ONE AND THERE IS NO OTHER BUT "HIM".

^^^
the use of the word HIM, pointing away from himself is very informative.

Him did not include himself in that.

Enigma: To make things easier, here a few simple questions of basic comprehension in relation to the passage.

1. Who is "the God of the spirit of the prophets" who sent his angel?

2. Whos is the person called "the Alpha & Omega"?

3. Who is the person called "the First and the Last"?

4. Who is the person called "the Beginning and the End"?

5. Who is the person that sent His angel to give the testimony for the churches?



(There are many more questions e.g. which testimony and what is the testimony etc etc etc but we don't even need to go that far)

please, dont mixed things up, the title as in Alpha and Omega is exclusively for the father/Yahweh.

Jesus is also the first and the last in many ways. Col 1:18

He is the first born from the dead.
Also in the christian congregation he is all and all.

He will also be the ruler for a thousand years.

Revelation 1:16-18 is a reference to Jesus christ and the he is described as the first and the last and the reasons are given.
As you can see by reading that scripture the word Alpha and Omega is not mentioned cause it is a reference to Jesus christ.

If you handle issues like this you will only confuse things the more for people that wish to know the truth.

Maybe that is why catholics(RCC) ask that the name of Yahweh be removed from the bible so that people can be easily deceived.

i think his interest is to ask you to leave the us president alone.

This is not a police, section but a refuse forum, what has it to do with your reason "not to vote for "Obama"?

Take the advice.

jesus had ask you to pray that "God's kingdom come" matthew 6:10

OLAADEGBU: William Booth did not only diagnose your disease but John the Baptist said in no uncertain terms:

"But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said to them, O generation of vipers, who has warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance" (Matthew 3:7-8 )

You can see that I'm not the only one who observed your hypocrisy as the Far-to-see and the Sad-you-sees in the verse above, when you said you "repented". It has now played out for everyone to see that you were only running from judgment to come when you had no intention of genuinely turning away from your sin and turning to Christ. A simple glance at your posts on other threads on your profile paints the real picture.

I have followed you and david in this forum, i dont think that you have the moral fiber to make such a statement against david.

A glance through your posts and that of David in this forum paint a very clear picture.

Take his advice and stop attacking people.

What you should do as a christian following the foot step of christ is to tell people what the bible says and not to go after person/individual.
Best, point out what is wrong, dont hate.
Your addiction with the president of the united state is unhealthy.
Is US God'skingdom?


Children of God love all kinds of persons and wish them well and ask the bad to change while their is still time.

If you show love/truth/light you will also love all person and not the individual just as God does letting his rain fall on the righteous and the unrighteous.

If you imitate God, This can either make you sons of God or sons of satan if you dont.
Peace

OLAADEGBU: You can see that I'm not the only one who observed your hypocrisy

MacDaddy01: You wrote that epistle for nothing. I answered your question (spacetime is the answer) with a link and a picture for further explanation but did you read? NO!!!


Ignorant christian. Let me expose you to your foolishness and ignorance to my answer;

How do you communicate?

MacDaddy01: Ignorant christian. Let me expose you to your foolishness and ignorance to my answer;

^^^
very effective way

You be the judge.
West of time.
Ciao.

toba: what if i say im still single and waiting for my own Esther?

is that a question or you are stating your marital status?

Come out plain.

Callotti: You? Calling on God?
What God? The God of Christian Sadists like you?
Abusive and devoid of simple courtesy?
Mu he he he he he he he
If you truly worshipped your dane God, you would have comported your tribalistic, BIGOT of a self properly on and off NL.
Get thee behind thyself!
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh!!!

well, if some one says he represents God, it will not be out of place to lead by example

Callotti: You? Calling on God?
What God? The God of Christian Sadists like you?
Abusive and devoid of simple courtesy?
Mu he he he he he he he
If you truly worshipped your dane God, you would have comported your tribalistic, BIGOT of a self properly on and off NL.

you with God!

Do you think you have all the facts about the bible?

Dont you think you are missing somethings some how?

Well, it is not a bad idea to be asking questions.

toba: are u guys scared to share ur experience(s)

we are waiting for your cue.

How did you meet your spouse?

toba: are u guys scared to share ur experience(s)

we are waiting for your cue.

How did you meet your spouse?

After you sir.

MacDaddy01: ignorance is a hell of a drug

hmmm!

Some thing clean cannot come out from something dirty.

Did you just call me "ignorant"

when i simply asked you to explain what the view of the planet earth in orbit will look like since you had said that it is not empty, did i do wrong?

Gravitational pull +ve or -ve attraction or repulsion or attraction remain what it is round the univers.

On planet earth does it obstruct your view?
Or you can see through it and make sense of an object in front of you and or say that there is no object in front of you and as such meaning there is nothing though the force of gravity is all around you.

That this reality is use as a concept to described the suspension of planetary body that are kept in place via attraction and repulsion emanating from the planet in relation to each other as they spine through space and this force cannot be see with the eyes just as you on planet earth will see through gravitational forces and still say
"there is nothing in from of you" is now fallaciouse as you try to proof that all the bible says is false, shows the sort of individual you are.

If it is true that you see through gravitational force and described object in front of you or conclude that there is "nothing" in front of you, it stand to judge your honesty or dishonesty vis-a-vis the kind of person you are.

I detest dishonesty and hate lying but i dont thing you are my kind of person as is obvious From this glaring dishonesty of heart you have/carry.

A writer once said "that those the gods wants to kill they first of all make them mad"

i sincerely wish that this ^^^ will not be your lot.

MacDaddy01: ignorance is a hell of a drug

thanks for the insult, that is what you have to offer humanity.
Peace.

MacDaddy01: Spacetime?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/GPB_circling_earth.jpg/300px-GPB_circling_earth.jpg


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime

what material is the outer space made of and you posted an illustrated image of planet earth?

Guy, am still waiting for you to come and show to me what my human eyes will see if am to observed the planet in orbit, will you?

seriallink: You do know some messages in the Bible are coded right? Just felt like thinking outside the box a little; but on a more serious note, what does the tree signifies? Or was it just a tree, as in normal tree that God restricted them from eating it's fruits or is it a symbolic message

It was God's symbol of authority.

Control as to who Adam should look onto/obey.

Without control Adam may not even know when he has started doing things that are wrong.

To that end he is to look to God for guidance.

As long as Adam stick to God the source of life he will have no problem.

seriallink: You know with the biblical restrictions on sexxx & the free will God created man with, it's makes me wanna think outside the box sometimes

God's laws are perfect, as such it is moderation on all things.

It is said that too much of every thing is bad.

Too much of food can kill you.
Too much of water can kill you.
Too much of sugar drink can kill you.
Too much of alcohol drink can kill you.
Too much abstinence from food c kill you.
Too much sex can kill you.
Too muck strain work can kill you.
Too much rest dormancy can kill you.
Etc, etc.

God is ballance and there is time for every affairs under the sun.

What restriction on sex if not abuse of sex that lead to bad consequences?

The bible says, "rejoice with the wife of your youth"

if human had stick with God's guidlines on sex and marriage, and sex only after marriage, and one man one wife there would have been NO HIV/AIDS today with it VDs. Sexually transmitted diseases of all kinds.
OfCourse, no blood as well.

God's laws are perfect and for our own protection and betterment.

seriallink: Was the tree of the knowledge of Good & Evil symbolically referring to sexx I've always wondered why Jesus (The last Adam according to 1 Corinthians 15:45) had nothing to do with women & also why God created Eve for the first Adam when He knew she would end up luring him into sin

did the bible tell you it is sex?

Or you arrived at this from your brain?
Hmmm!

@oladegbu
friend,

if the bible should say something should you not take the warning?

where does the bible say the false prophet will come from?

Read the scriptures, it is in the "midst of the sheep" Acts 20:28-30

they will start feeding the sheep with words that are from demons 1timothy 4:1-3

what does God have to do with those outside?

For those outside are in darkness, all that God owe them is to preach to them as a witness, if they accept it fine, if they refuse, well they have been warned and witness is served.

The danger is the ones inside that have departed from the truth. Matthew 7:15

they are turning the sheep from the way to life.
those outside are not the problem.

chukwudi44: Here is a history of bible translations

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_translations

read the bible!!!

chukwudi44: Williams tyndale had to die because the medieval authourities disagreed with his translation of certain terms notably church which he called congregation.He was not killed because he translated the bible into english but rather for mistranslation of certain terms which did not go down well with the authourities.His execution is condemmable today in view of the tenets of freedom of religion and fundamental human rights

well, as long as you have a conscience to call a spade a spade and say what is bad is bad. Isaiah 5:20

chukwudi44: His execution is condemmable today in view of the tenets of freedom of religion and fundamental human rights

with reference to this ^^^ i say well done.

I for one cannot reward myself with eternal life as such am at the mercy of the one that has the power to give life and to take life.

Pleasing this person is what i see as a priority.

Every body has an opportunity to work out his salvation the choices we make are personal.
Peace

aletheia: The scripture clearly states: "we shall judge angels". Simple. All your cavilling is nonsense.

Read these verses again:

^^^

thank you then.

Since that is all you've got.

Am actually surprise that this is how you arrived at your conclussion.
Peace

chukwudi44: Do you mind explaining why the apostles failed to translate into latin? Maybe you will also accuse them of wanting to stiffle the scriptures.

The fact remains that both greek and latin were commonly spoken throughout the known world then.Any educated person who could read were conversant with both languages.it is laughable for anyone to say the church wanted to stiffle the scriptures

you and i know that in today's World books are written in contemporary languages.
though you may have a dialect, you will most likely write a book in a language that has the widest circulation and is a common or second language to the majority of the human population, your intention being to reach the most people, for this intent you will not necessary write it in your mother tongue.

The Jews has their own language as hebrew language, but as the influence of the greek language and their schools of higher learning became the order of the day, the language become a veritable tool for information transfer.

As of Jesus day Greek was the language of the day spoken by majority of people and as such the NT was written in greek.

since the scriptures has a global intent from the onset, keeping it in the language of the day was a rational thing to do, the information contain in the bible was classless since the message of the kingdom was meant for all mankind.

Translating a book of the bible importance to other languages cannot be over enphersis as can be seen through the ages, since it has to reach all mankind and as such language should/can not be a barrier to people having access to the bible and reading it personaly to arrived at an inform decision to get the benefit and be able to draw closer to God.

But this was not the case when latin became the language of the day and the bible was translated as such.

Note, in that era translating the bible was not that a common thing since there was no printing press.

We also know that though greek was once the language of the day that was commonly use in international trade and the likes that today it is not the same since only a few have the need for it, and as such to the majority it is a dead language that has little or no appeal to many.

When the bible got translated to latin, and many people then did made use of latin, but as time passes by then greek was no longer the languages of the day and the populace/future generation can no longer speak or read latin the need arises for the bible to be translated into a language spoken by people of different nation and tribes and tongues, but RCC will NEVER allow that to see the light of the day.

Laws were made outlawing any translation of the bible to other languages, putting the followers of christ at the hands and mercy of a few clergy that were able to speak and read latin language to explain the scriptures to the congregation.

OfCourse, this increases the influence of the church and clergy class.

But was that what the bible was meant for or it was to be made available to all men so that they can come to an accurate knowledge of truth? 1timothy 2:3,4.

When good and well intentioned individual attempt to translate the scriptures they were arrested, tag as heretics and burned alife on a revolving wheel with the bible hanging on their neck.

Some were beheaded and some were were killed hanging on a stake.

Judge for yourself if what they did was Good.

But this continued for a very long time in what is known as the dark ages.
Acts 20:28-30

MacDaddy01: The earth is not suspended over nothing. It implies that outer space is nothing, which is wrong.

^^^
am interested in this, can you shade more?

Please, to aide your answer, what substance is the utter space made of?

Am waiting.
Thanks and Peace.