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Ihedinobi: lol @Frosbel. Dude, you too much, I no lie you. Ever-lasting now speaks of finality not lasting for ever. Awesome!

Make I laugh finish. I de come back <laughing my fingers into conf9tk.elitlxqt...> hehehehehe

everlasting dead for sinners.

Everlasting life for rigtheous.

Not everlasting life for both.

Ubenedictus: pls take note Yahweh is a God of love and also a God of Justice.
You seem to misunderstand when d bible say "d soul that sinneth shall die", this runs parallel to gen2 "if u eat of the tree you shall die die" but adam didnt die, did he?? He fact he lived longer than today man, he didnt literally die, this shows us that a different thing is mean when the bible is talking about 'death, die' in relation to eternity, that death simply mean a separation from God, the exact thing that happened to adam. The idea that God literally 'kills' the soul is not found in scripture. After the final judgement d gud go to everlasting life, the bad to everlasting contempt that is how my bible explains it.

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error

God's day = 1000 years. 2peter 3:8 and Psalm 90:4

Adam lived 900 and years not up a 1000years = one day.

So, Adam died the same day.

What with you?

Dont you know that a day of 24 hours is a function of the earth turning around the sun?

While you think that it is night others are in the noon of the day? Is God not seeing all this people?

Who then is in the night and in the day befor God?

Is the sun the means of God calculating of time?

Do you think that God uses this our sun to see and count day and night as man.

Is there night with God?

Why do you tie his calculating of time to our sun?

A dam did not lived up to a day = 1000 years he died the same day.

Infact you are here proofing that it was satan that was saying the truth and that God is the one that lied

your teaching supports satan in all ways

Ihedinobi: Please, commenters that agree with the op, could you explain to us how the following passage agrees with the conclusion that there is no everlasting torment? Many thanks. The passage is Daniel 12:2. I'm quoting it below from four translations, the Amplified Bible (AMP) in red, the New International Version (NIV) in blue, the New Living Translation (NLT) in purple and the King James Version (KJV) in green in that order.

And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake: some to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting contempt and abhorrence.

Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

Many of those whose bodies lie dead and buried will rise up, some to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting disgrace.

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

same with John 5:28:29

the word there should be judgement.

Revelation 20. Explains how it will happened.

frosbel: Thanks.

Also you have to ask eternal torture adherents what the purpose of an eternal hell is ? Is it for punishment or torture ?

When I was in deeperlife many years ago , there is this tract that talks about eternity . It goes like this :

If, again, a grain of sand represents one day, all the grains of sand on the seashore will represent only a small, negligible part of eternity! If a bird went to sharpen its beak once a year at a mountain, when the bird wears out the mountain in this way, only an insignificant part of eternity would have passed. In short, eternity is the lifetime of the never-dying God! And you will live for eternity. You will be alive eternally as God will be alive eternally.

Now this is mind boggling. While it is good news for the saint. God has promised them eternal life and they will live for ever.

However, notice the following contradiction in the same tract.

Every sinner will end up in the infernal hell and every saint will end up in supernal heaven. You will live forever in heaven or hell.

Contrary to the comment that you will live forever in hell, the bible does not support this because the soul that sinneth shall die [/b]not [b]live [/b]forever anywhere for that matter !

In fact this shows the mercy of God, because if Adam had taken of the tree of life he would have lived forever , eternally separated from God. God in his infinite mercy sent Adam away from the garden to prevent this from happening. Oh the rich mercy of God.

We are all mortal and if we sin we will die, we will not live forever.

The fallacy that after zillions of years when poor wretched sinners would have suffered torment , come to plead with God for mercy and he declines their plea is just not in the bible.

The bible says God's anger lasts but a moment while his mercy endures forever. This Catholic doctrine of eternal torture demeans the character of God.

"For his anger lasts only a moment, but his favor lasts a lifetime; weeping may remain for a night, but rejoicing comes in the morning." - [b]Psalm 30:5

Unlike the God of the Muslims and Catholics , our GOD is not a Hitler or some mean person who enjoys the misery of others.


I am not trying to negate the punishment of sinners, it will indeed be painful and final :

1. Punishment according to their deeds
2. Total destruction.
3. Will not be partakers of God's immortality
4. Will not inherit the new heaven and earth.

I mean common is this not punishment enough

The adherents of eternal torment must ignore hundreds of scripture that go against their false doctrine.

Sinners will not be granted the pleasure of eternal life and also will be refused entry into God's paradise. They will be consumed by the fire of God for God is a consuming fire.

But rebels and sinners shall be broken together, and those who forsake the LORD shall be consumed.! - Isaiah 1:28

God is not offering us the free gift of salvation with a gun pressed to our heads.

Sounds more like Islam or Catholicism both religions of coercion where you either have a sword/gun to your head to join the faith or you are threatened with a hell of horrific descriptions.

Thank God we serve Yahweh the God of LOVE.

maybe the muslim and hindu learnt/got there own version or eternal torment/fire from the bible also cus the bible is there holy book.

Lol

the truth is satan is the one that ask that human be put into fire as sacrifice when the Jews went for false worship.

Yahweh condemned such acts and said that such acts of burning people in fire NEVER entered his mind/heart
Jeremiah 7:30 to 31

as usual, Satan the liar is attributing such wicked acts that he is guilty of to Yahweh that says that such had never entered his heart.

All to paint Yahweh wicked and help blind people to Yahweh that says he is love
1john 4:8

such teaching brings dishonour to God almighty.

Such teaching bunch christianity to muslim, to hindu, and many others.

They also teach immortality of the soul and similar teaching.

Is that the new thing that christianity was to go and teach the whole world when that is what they already knew?

nedostic: @Frosbel,

You got this message spot on. I have posted this same message on facebook and virtually all friends of mine who commented,kicked against it.

I am even flabbergasted that some Christian folks would point to the Parable between Lazarus and the rich man, to illustrate their points!

The truth remains that everlasting hell fire does not mean forever as it is depicted in english. Church traditions have not helped us either not to forget some (mis)translations in the Bible.One of my favorite sites is www.bible.cc,this site gives you varieties of translations with commentaries as well.

If anyone doubts the meaning of everlasting,please check out the meaing of 'AIONS' in greek.

I fully support this doctrine,though its hard to accept but I see this as the truth.

God bless us!

if someone cites the pareble of lazarus as facts and not pareble, why not ask him to give his reasons for taking it as a fact, Afterall Jesus will not teach without a pareble.

If he says it is fact and literal and not a pareble we have to ACCEPT every thing recorded there as literal.

1. We will have to accept that a drop of water can quench some ones test.

2. We have to accept that a drop of water can travel from heaven down to the fire without evaporating.

3. We have to accept that the hot fire can not dry out a drop of water.

4. That names were mention? But the rich man's name was not mention.

5. We have to accept that Abraham was in heaven even though Jesus had said that no man has ascended into heaven except the son of man who descended.

6. We have to accept that Abraham is the one that decides who enters heaven and who does not.

7. We have to accept that those in fire can see those in heaven.

8. We have to accept that those in fire will live forever and that human dont/wont die as satan had said in the garden of eden. Meaning that God lied.

Etc etc etc.

Ihedinobi: @the bolded: uh huh. Right. That's why you appear to be spoiling for a fight with me on every thread you find me, mm? Yeah, I'm probably deluded.

see this my friend.

Am Only having issues with any that dont follow the bible exclusively.

You seem to 4get the prosperity/riches thread,

we ended that thread quite nicely cus the bible was allowed to be the guide.

Peace

Delafruita: there you have it.chinese dont look to miracles.they make the miracles happen themselves because they recognize the fact that no bearded deity in the sky will fling miracles at them

as for moral codes,every society has its own degree and form of decadence.pornography is one of the largest employers of labour in china.



this must rate as one of the most idiotic posts i have ever encountered on nairaland.what the fvck are you even trying to say?sex reduces creative tendencies?dude,your delusion is getting worse.seems to me like you have some sex-oriented problems thats making you attribute failure to sex.

if you had even one class of biology,and you still have this mentality,your biology teacher should be found,tied a stake and flogged to death.



The quantum of blood in your body is just enough to power one of two things at a time, up or down.

So, when a young man dwell in a life style that makes his blood to be on the down side most of the time it is a disservice to the developing brain.

Dont 4get that practice makes perfect.

So, when he trains the down side the more it is at the detriment of the developing brain.

So, a young man with sound moral and operate at that level during his formative years will maximise his mental development and ability to take in knowledge and think. = well developed brain for creativity.

His blood will always be upstairs where he needs it the most while developing.

reading this just sickens me.dude,have you ever heard of multitasking?even my frigging smartphone wont crash because am performing 20tasks at the same time.
you dont seem to have any idea of how the human body operates so i'd advise you to stop making analogies based on biology.perhaps you could pick some lame verses from the bible.

hmmm!

I dont have a problem on sex, am normal.
if i had, i would not have been able to objectively looked into this issue.

What you are fighting with is a fact.

wiegraf: This deserved a 'like'

I'm guessing hung like a mule.

you are welcome.

We are simply saying it the way it is.

plaetton: ^^^^
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ma guy,

am simply calling a spade a spade.

Lol

Delafruita: does the fact that albert einstein is a great physicist mean he is superior to a man like freud or picasso?is there a rigid definition of creativity i am not aware of?different people in different fields express their creativity in different ways.

DONT you agree that a mind will developed better with less distraction?

They may also have well developed minds that can focus deeply with less distraction if the refuse the distraction irresptive of there place of origin.

Am only saying that the inherent value for such code is loss in the Nigerian case due to this miracle expectations.

Wherever one should be when this conditions that can derail the proper development of the brain is avoided during the development stages the result will be fantastic.

So, this inherent values is not exclusive for christians but rather, the christian moral laws is perfect for this but miracle expectation Cancle it out in most cases like in 9ja.

plaetton: Moral code? what moral code are you reffering to? The moral codes of international bankers? Pls dont start with this moral thing again.
They reject christianity and the Pauline poison.
hhhmm. That must be responsible for their apparent success so far.




The MOG are only following what is the obvious genetic blueprints of Christianity.



Indian, japanese and and Chinese youths are busy writing software codes for the next generation of technological devices while christian youths in Africa are doing prayer vigils for miracles and rapture.

Isn't your christianity to blame for this mess?

if you agree that they got it wrong on tith why is it you think the got it right on the miracle thing?

Dont 4get the two go hand in hand.

dekung: So are the Chinese. China is the world's second largest economy in fact they seem to be the children of promise cos they are lending to nations and not just any nation but the worlds super powers. China turns out millionaires and billionares every now and then but China has no historical affiliation to Yahweh. May be the ingredient you failed to notice in Jewish success is that they stick to their Identity, they borrowed nothing from Rome. They stuck to their Judaism. Chinese to have stuck to their Identity and see where that has taken them.

do the chinese look to miracles?

Do they have loose moral code?

I dont think bill gate is a croller.

You dont seem to understand the effect of sex and blood on the brain as it relate to brain/mental activities/brain development especially when making research.

When next you are doing that sex thing and your wife and your child knocks on the door start talking to your child and see what happens to your erect manhood.

That it drops for using your brains is because their is the need for the blood that was pumping your manhood to move to the brain.

The quantum of blood in your body is just enough to power one of two things at a time, up or down.

So, when a young man dwell in a life style that makes his blood to be on the down side most of the time it is a disservice to the developing brain.

Dont 4get that practice makes perfect.

So, when he trains the down side the more it is at the detriment of the developing brain.

So, a young man with sound moral and operate at that level during his formative years will maximise his mental development and ability to take in knowledge and think. = well developed brain for creativity.

His blood will always be upstairs where he needs it the most while developing.

dekung: @truthislight, you made several submissions and assertions about the power of God at work making Samson kill 1000 men with the jawbone of a donkey but problem how come such things only occur in unsubstantiated stories written in the bible? You cant believe peter pan, snow white, santa clause, super man, spider man etc yet you can believe these stories written in the bible. Have you ever wondered why so many of those larger-than-life stories in the bible never happened in recorded history? Oh God is having a rethink hence he is not performing as He used to? You probably don't know that majority of the stories in the bible, especially in OT, were oral traditions i.e they were transfered orally before it was written down. In our mordern day those FABUlous stories can only happen in three places: Video games, Cinemas and in the Bible. In real life such things cannot happen because its not realty.

May the force be with you
Peace

thank you.

My understanding is that such gift of the spirit ended with the apostles.

1corinths 13:8 to 13.

plaetton: Hmmm. let me guess.
Could it because they are christians or could it be because they are the most virtous tribe, or could it be because they are united and hold firmly, their attachment to their culture, traditions and history?

there moral code create an enabling evironment for the developing young stars to concentrate without the distraction that is synonimouse with immoral activities for the developing mind.

This inherent advantage in christianity is what i belief that is being loss by the direction of the MOG to look for miracles.

You see young ones that should be seriously Reading their books and developing usefull skills looking for miracles to survive in life.

Imagine all the christian youth thinking of what to develop/build and knowing that this will come from hard work.

plaetton: Believe it or not, foreskin, in this context refers to geni.talia. Yes O.
And believe it or not, It was customary, in those days, for warriors, especially kings, to eat the gen.italia of their conqured enemies. It represented the ultimate conquest.
So, yes , cannibalism is in the bible, just hidden in obscure language.

it has come over you again!

Lol.

Delafruita: when you say "creative minds" what exactly do you mean?freud was a creative mind.so were lord byron and victor hugo.oprah is a creative mind and so is ben carson and david oyedepo.creativity isnt a matter of a belief system that revolves around a deity,its more about the sequence of events in the life of an individual presenting him with the opportunity to make his mark on the sands of time.it isnt about vices they engaged in.alexander was in love with his mother but that fact is relegated to the background because he is perhaps the greatest conqueror in history.lord byron had a baby with his half-sister but that takes nothing away from him been one of the greatest poets of all time.
bob marley wasnt a paragon of virtue.JFK and clinton werent your ideal model of faithfulness and sanctity.jefferson had quite a number of children with his slave,shakespear had his issues,machiavelli was driven more by a desire for power,michealangelo loved his money while da vinci preferred beautiful women.
hope my point has been made

it is obvious. You did not get the bracket i refered to as "creative" minds.

Why did you not look at Albert einstein?

Semeon perace Lablace?

Isaac newton?
Etc etc etc

why Oyedekpo? Etc etc?

dontalk: But who is the enemy? If satan then we Must FIGHT him even though we cannot destroy him but God can. We need refer to 2Corinth 10:3-5(NLT), may be that scripture will give us insight. There is always a spirit at work in the sons of disobedience. May God give understanding!

if you cant kill satan why west your time praying for him to die now?

Dont you know he will still be around after the 1000yrs?

manny4life: Even the Bible acknowledged EVIL of higher places, and God commanded,

"Suffer not a witch to live but die", therefore, since a witch is my enemy, I won't pray for them to live and continue to hurt me, and perhaps, GOD FORBID, I become a victim of death by their sorcery. There you have it, enemies comes in different forms and fashion, as for witch/spiritual enemy, I WILL NOT pray for live, BUT death.

who is a witch?

Since you have been praying such how many of them have died?

kensandrea: PLS SPECIFY THE TYPE OF ENEMY YOU MEAN @ OP

[size=15pt]IF ITS PHYSICAL ENEMY THEN I WOULD SAY[/size] [size=16pt]ITS WRONG[/size]

[size=15pt]BUT IF ITS SPIRITUAL ENEMY THEN I DONT SEE ANYTHING WORNG IN IT.......... IT IS VERY OK TO ME[/size]

where in the bible God say you should pray for satan to die?

Favourcom: All ur comments are out of the view of writter. If u understand bible very well,u will know that the enemy of xtians is the devil so if u want to pray for devil to live forever.goodluck for u.

your prayer should be for G to deliver you from the wicked(satan) one and not for satan to die.

Read matthew 6:9to 14.

Redhot111: My guy its very much in place 2 pray dat d evil forces dat r troublin u should die 4 obvoius reasons. A king a king in isreal ws commanded by God 2 completely destroy d amalekites but he left some alive. And doz remnant later re enforced 2 fyt d nation of isreal, killing d king in d process. Nw if u dont stp dem by killing dem wit prayers if u can, God bein a merciful God will 4giv dem if dey succeed 2 kill u n repent afterward. Funi enuf dey will even make heaven if dia repentance is genuine. While u may make hell if u fell frm grace as at d tym dey killed u. So stp dem b4 dey stop u. Period.

no wander,
you dont teach what the bible says.

You teach from your brain.

Can you kill satan? Or a spirit creature for that matter?

What then will jesus do?

@nimshi

you have lied again o!

What with 10,000

That is the way you have been lying against the JW.

Lol.

This is child's play

Nimshi: Incidentally:

- the founder of the JW religion started out by calling organised religion a fraud
- the JWs held on to that belief until they became big
- and then it became compulsory to attend up to 5 different 'meetings' (indoctrination classes) every week
- ordinary JWs are not allowed to gather together on their own, by their choice
- they are not also allowed to study the bible independently: they must use Watchtower materials
- any interpretation not sanctioned by the leaders is 'demonic', and means apostasy; JWs who do this can be expelled & shunned
- the JW leaders today claim ordinary JWs do not have Jesus as mediator to God (the leaders are the mediators)
- for other special JWs (those that will go to heaven, < 10,000), Jesus is their mediator
- this means, essentially that: all ordinary JWs are subservient to the leaders; the leaders at the same time claim to be invisible
- and because the leaders claim they are "God's mouthpiece", or "God's only channel" to earth today, ordinary JWs are 'trapped'
- JWs don't excplain these things to their new recruits; most recruits find out when it is too late

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Frosbel knows better than you a muslim.

You that insult Yahweh, that he is a tribal God.

You that tells lies.

You have been ask to present evidence on pdf that shows where the JW predicted a particular day that the world will end.

Jesus by the way said that the day/hour no one knows.

Jesus did not say the year no one knows.

You people just twisted what the JW said and pelted on this forum.

So, come up with the evidence.

Liar.

true2god: Maybe u dnt understand my question here, lemme repeat it to u again: 'frm ur independent point of view, and not wat watchtower told u, wats the biblical proove of 1914 as the year of ur 'christ presence'. Pls dnt dabble into ur characristic 'olodo' abuse and simply xpalin thing to me.

meet JW that are busy teaching people the bible free of charg all over the world they will teach you.

Is your bible study schedule on the internet forum?

true2god: Maybe u dnt understand my question here, lemme repeat it to u again: 'frm ur independent point of view, and not wat watchtower told u, wats the biblical proove of 1914 as the year of ur 'christ presence'

ignorance is no excuse.

There is a bible base calculation to that effect and you dont know.

Meet the JW to show you and you come and disprove it.

Again you studied with the JW and you have not come across that calculation?

Liar.

true2god: Proove me wrong or test me.

you said you studied with the JW and you dont know their bible base reasons for their non involvement in conflict?

Those that not make you a liar also?

Add to the proof that barrister has been asking you to show.

You lie in many front.

true2god: Proove me wrong or test me.

you said you studied with the JW and you dont know their bible base reasons for their non involvement in conflict?

Those that not make you a liar?

true2god: ok tell me if Jw carry any international passport or Id in time of conflict that reads: I AM A JW

they just make their stand clear that they take no side on the conflict QED

in does not matter which part of the world they are their stand is the same they are neutral in conflict.

I suppose you had said that you had studied the bible with JW did they not teach you this?

It is also on this basis that hitlar Germany issue came up.

They simply are neutral.

Goshen360: @ truthislight,

You are having a different view about me. Infact, your view is wrong and your conclusion is uncalled for. First, I'm not a Christ Embassy member. I stand by the true word of God irrespective of who is concerned. You are NOT treating the issue I raised with this thread. What I intended with this thread is that we (Christians) should always prove all things right before jumping to conclusions. The "banner" or "billboard" in question, am simply asking if it was erected in the public or somebody just designed that stuff on the computer to raise controversy about the Pastor. This is what am questioning.

Second. Read through ALL or MOST of my thread, I stand by the truth, fight for the truth and don't impose any of my "thoughts" on others here. Even the areas we stand by the truth, the people don't believe us due to man made traditions, how much more imposing our teachings on others.....that isn't true. You have spoken your mind still and you have the wrong impression.

I dont see why there should be a MOG picture on any of the things ascribed to God.

The head of the church is the christ and not the so call MOG.

Is this MOG incharge of the gate of heaven?

It does not matter who put the banner, the MOG or others the Truth is they all use their pictures as a tool to reach out to people and this is wrong.

We should not follow man but should follow the world of God.

Pictures of MOG on pamflate/banner/books, etc etc is wrong irrespective of who puts it there.

And that is what we should be condemning here.

If i got you wrong i say sorry.

But the truth is some times bitter.

But the truth most be told.

Peoples life are at stake.

jayriginal: She was barbecued.

you are in the wrong territory.

Adekdammy: did Jephthat the gileadite offered his daughter as a burnt offering unto the Lord based on his vow to God according to judges 11:31. Well i dont think he did because, he knows the Lord wont accept that kind of offering(human beign as a burnt offering) because he knows the law of the lord well,so instead he dedicated her unto the Lord by being single 4 the rest of her life. Will appreciate ur comments on this, thanks

she serve Yahweh all her live.

@Frosbel

that is how God's word the bible is, when you get a teaching right it will agree with the rest of the scriptures.

You are doing well for yourself.

Peace