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italo: 99.9% of the non-Catholic Christians I meet say people interpreting scripture differently from them are interpreting wrongly. Only them and those who agree with them are interpreting correctly.

That is an 'infallible' declaration.

How are they so sure since they claim they are fallible.

Contradiction & hypocrisy!

No be for mouth, tell them to show you from the scriptures like the Bareans did.

And you should have regard for the scriptures, the expressed will of God.

Peace.

Zikkyy: achievable if am saying "the scriptures says so & so...". you cannot truly validate my interpretation, you can only come back with your own version/interpretation of the scriptures. though its possible your interpretation will make more sense.

Your RCC is far worse, you dont have scriptures to show for most of what you do and say at all.

I have been asking ye all for just one here, to show scriptural evidence for your doctrine of "papal infallibility", but no scritural evidence for such a claim. Smh.

Of what use then is the bible ?

Zikkyy: You know my position on Papal infallibility. i believe i have stated that in the past, but....



..it can only be an opinion. your/my interpretation.

From your post so far, you belief in papal infallibility.

If you feel i am wrong, restate your stand here let all see.

"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." (2 Corinthians 11:14).

Zikkyy: so when i have dreams that becomes reality, you don't think its from God

the witch of Edor that king Saul of Israel consulted, her prophesy also came to pass, read it again.

Zikkyy: again it comes down to the matter of interpretation (of the word of God). The written word is there and is always the same. how we interpret is a different matter. If you say God speak to us through the word, then i will say God can very well speak to the Pope. It's left for the Pope to either allow God guide him in the interpretation/processing of what he reads or reject God and do it his way. I think the issue here is determining the decision of the Pope.

Are we in a position to do that and say with 100% confidence that the Pope rejected the Almighty? to do that, we have to believe we are correct or we cannot be wrong, and you know what that means.......infallibility

The bible is in a position to do that ^ on red.

And he is wrong on many counts, infact, he is a blonder and the worst thing that have ever happened to christianity and the cause of why christianity is like this today(the office). And his likes.

shdemidemi: We identify who is saying the truth by going back to the scriptures to verify what anyone says.

Thank you.

Zikkyy: Nairaland

Hehehehe. You dont say, now, read your bible o.

Zikkyy: Thats not what am saying. my question is this: who decides the car that will be involved in a collision?



I agree. how do we identify the person speaking the truth? when they are all quoting/interpreting the scripture (as they see it, maybe) and we on our part also processing their interpretations as want to understand it. so who is heading in the wrong direction?

What did the Bareans do that they were set as a model and recommended ?

Enigma: @ Zikky

I get what you are trying to say to truthislight but I have a question.

Does one himself have to be "infallible" to say that the Roman Catholic "pope" is not "infallible"?

For example can a person who is not infallible not say that a Roman Catholic "pope" who says the below when compared with the Bible --- cannot be infallible?


"Infallible" "pope"

"... after Christ, we find in Mary the end of the law and the fulfillment of the figures and oracles."

versus

Romans 10:4

"For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes."

Ask him o.

It takes one who has swallowed that lie to defend it.

woky: lol

exactly my problm wit him

i dnt want him to cry dats y i stop quoting his post

I hate deceit, simple !

Zikkyy: Okay then, using the bible kindly prove that zikkyy is fallible on matters that has to do with the interpretation of the bible itself. Thanks.



okay na, am listening to you. answer the question above.

"For we know in part, and we prophesy in part." (1 Corinthians 13:9).

"For we all stumble many times. If any man does not stumble in word, this one is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body." (James 3:2).

"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:" (Romans 3:10).

Not even the pope, if he says he is righteouse, christ ransom sacrifice is not for him.

This on red below is a lie against me and Jesus christ that repply accordingly.

italo:
They will not give you a straight and honest answer.

If they could, they'd be validating Catholic teaching.

I dare you to show me even one lie i have posted on this thread even though i am fallible.

If you dont, ever remain silent and stop lying on my head.

Meanwhile, i can show us lots of errors that your infallible popes have made.

This is what RCC can do to a person.

You start thinking you are the Judge.

Your opinion my friend is inconsequential.

Zikkyy: The above is what we call 'out of point' (OP) back in the days. If you write this kind answer for exam, you don fail be that am asking if you believe God can appear to a Pope, you are quoting irrelevant bible verse

"Even though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." (Galatians 1:8 ).
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Read that scripture slowly over and over till it sinks in.

Babalawo also beliefs it is God that appears to him.

Zikkyy: This is why i avoid this kind of discussion, instead of focusing on the discussion you are assessing the person behind the post unlike you i can say my view is not influenced by the denomination(s) i associate with. If my views tend to align more with the catholics, maybe i am more catholic than JW

Where did you learn that christians must be infallible from ?

Zikkyy: ...what about the people interpreting the bible? are they all correct?



where?

Now you are talking, the people using the bible are imperfect, that is why we individually have to be like the Bareans and make sure that all that is being said is in tenents with the bible.

You have to consistently study the bible for yourself, and ever ready to stick only to what the bible say. As long as you closely follow the bible, it will keep you in the right.

"That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3:17).

Zikkyy: Leave the bible out of this infallibility matter. if you are not infallible, on what basis do you accuse the other person of propagating false doctrine? So if you agree you are fallible, then you can only give your opinion which may or may not be correct. abi

The bible is my basis. No ?

How can i "leave the bible out of this" ?

How can i be a christian in the 21st century without the bible ?

Do you listen to yourself at all ?

Smh for you.

davydenko18: Yeah, the end brings everything into proper view, but hemme where precisely can one found Song of Solomon

The marriage of the bride and the lamb.

*Editted*

[quote author=tpia@]@Gombs

I wasnt talking to you so please do not be a kiss a.sss.


Let the person i was responding to, speak for himself and allow his butt some relief from your lips.

Are you so desperate for attention? How long have you been waiting for an opportunity to chat with me, f.ool?[/quote]Hehehe.

Hehehehe smh.

Hehehehehehe. Lol.

Zikkyy: you dey dodge my question you don't believe God can appear to the Pope? yes or no

"Even though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." (Galatians 1:8 ).
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That ^ is how efficient the bible is.

If i so wish, i can even use only the bible to answer all your questions here.

Zikkyy: The bible does not show 'everything' Christians should do or not do, that is my position. if you want to argue that a practice is false, you don't go looking for commands or laws in the bible. The bible is a guide, not a list of dos and don'ts.

You talk like a Catholic.

Enigma: And of course that mumu "pope" was not content to reject Acts chapter 15 for his Roman Catholic Church denomination; he declares others who accept Acts 15 to be ---- yep you guessed it, anathema! lol


"Since the Roman Pontiff, by the divine right of the apostolic primacy, governs the whole Church, we likewise teach and declare that he is the supreme judge of the faithful [52], and that in all cases which fall under ecclesiastical jurisdiction recourse may be had to his judgment [53]. The sentence of the Apostolic See (than which there is no higher authority) is not subject to revision by anyone, nor may anyone lawfully pass judgment thereupon [54]. And so they stray from the genuine path of truth who maintain that it is lawful to appeal from the judgments of the Roman pontiffs to an ecumenical council as if this were an authority superior to the Roman Pontiff.

That is another of those things technically known as --- utter rubbish.
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"So, then, if anyone says that the Roman Pontiff has merely an office of supervision and guidance, and not the full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the whole Church, and this not only in matters of faith and morals, but also in those which concern the discipline and government of the Church dispersed throughout the whole world; or that he has only the principal part, but not the absolute fullness, of this supreme power; or that this power of his is not ordinary and immediate both over all and each of the Churches and over all and each of the pastors and faithful: let him be anathema."


Vatican I is not only one of the most idiotic things, it is even satanic!

"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;" (2 Thessalonians 2:3).

"Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." (2 Thessalonians 2:4).

Zikkyy: We are not saying the same thing regarding the highlighted bit. Who is a Christian? and who decides what is truth? this is the part i agree with italo, you have to be 'infallible' to make that statement believing you are 100% correct.

Of what use is the Bible if christians have to be "infallible" ?

italo: "Useful," not "sufficient."

Food is useful for well-being, but not sufficient.

Education is useful for making a good living but not sufficient.

I can go on and on.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

Zikkyy: Its possible he did. or you don't believe God can appear to the Pope

"even though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." (Galatians 1:8 ).

Zikkyy: No wahala. I agree that nobody have the right to say other believers are false Christians.

The bible shows what christians should do and not do, going contrary to what it says puts that person on error.

How did you come to know that animal sacrifice is not for christians ?

Syncan: A catholic apologist? Since when Did that stop being a good thing? That does not make the Israelites who made the cherubs children of Hagar while their father Isaac is not.

God commanded the Israelites to make cherubs, give evidence that God commanded you a christian to build images after he puts a stop to it.

Syncan: Ehen, now you need me to show you Christian laws, do Christians live under law now? I guess you just stumbled on this post, it will do you good to read and learn for now.

ok, you donk have evidence, right ?

Thank you.

italo: If Church leaders are fallible, why should they be believed when they could be teaching error?

The bible is the word of God,

Zikkyy: This has nothing to do with any arrangement. If you don't believe the man on the pulpit is preaching the truth, you have no reason sitting in front of him. there are two options, (1) accept his sermon or (2) walk away. abi you prefer the option of climbing the pulpit and collecting the microphone

What use is the bible ?

Syncan: Fine. By your position - God must have forgotten to add "except by my command" to his "make no graven Image" Law.

By our position - God did not include "except by my command" because he did not forbid making it, only He forbids giving it Divine honour or Worship.

We both used the Scripture for our defense. Agreed?

You claim to be a christian, christianity is not lawlessness.

Where is the command to christians to use, do or make images for worship ?

Show evidence.

italo: The thing is they all say they are fallible...but the all act as if they are infallible when they declare 'infallibly' that the Pope is fallible.

That is hypocrisy!

How can a fallible person be certain of that?

Where is the proof for the doctrine of infallibility ? None!

Lawlessness!

shdemidemi: Even if Israel worshipped God in that manner, is the church now the same as Israel? Have we not learnt that Israel are children of the flesh (children of the bond woman, Hagar) and we -the church- are children of the Spirit (children of the free woman, Sarah).

It is Yahweh that decides what is to be done and how he should be worshiped and not to be done.

If Yahweh commanded Israel to build an ack then, he has the right to do so. It was his will then.

It was also Yahweh that puts a stop to it.

Ask the Roman catholic who gave them the commanment to build images today as against Yahweh's instruction not to ?

Did Yahweh appeared to their pope privately ?

Let them show proof where Yahweh also directed them as he directed the Israelites and later ask them not to.

They should show proof and not presumptiouse acts, simple.

I dont blame you.

As a catholic that do what they like, you dont know what usefulness the scriptures are for a man of God.

italo: Someone says that he is fallible...then he categorically states that "no man is infallible." How can he be sure of this since he is fallible?

The way anti-Catholics reason!

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3:16-17).