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Christianity Etc › Re: Creation Reveals The Existence Of A Creator by truthislight: 9:48pm On Dec 16, 2013

Redlyn: A religious person talking to me about rational. Very funny. Who created God? Since everything must be created. Or everything must be created EXCEPT the ultimate creator? Wow how convenient. The argument works when you want it to! How rational. How did you come about this cosmic knowledge on whether its an intelligent god that always existed or the universe that always existed. You dreamed it? You assumed it? Or maybe you read it in a book, written by man?

Is there a god? I don't know, but I don't believe. Thats how I answer the question. I dont say there is no god. Thats a claim is made by a special branch of atheism. I don't Believe because I don't see any evidence. You argue the evidence is creation. Then I will argue by that very logic the existence of god suggests a god creator....etc What do you say? He just always existed? So cant we say the universe always existed?

There is only one thing I am sure about, and it is how unknown all this is to us humans. If that is ostrich so be it.
Good we can come to you for all the answers as written in your magical book.

Christianity Etc › Re: Creation Reveals The Existence Of A Creator by truthislight: 9:47pm On Dec 16, 2013*

Kay 17: You are a fish in water, how are you able to comprehend land animals living out of water. God as you have said numerous times, is incomprehensible to us being that God is transcendental, and similar to fish out of water.

Therefore you cannot say claim/say God exists! The best you are is an agnostic! Unconscious agnostic

What was that ^ ?

Who was he talking to ?

What was he talking about ?

Was he addressing what we have been discussing on this thread ?

Is he lost ?

Does that make sense ?

*sigh* smh.

Guy, you are on the wrong thread.

Kai!

Please, read from page zero to update youself, then you can knock on me.

Lol. Smh. No wonder!

Christianity Etc › Re: I Saw Jehovah's Witnesses Founder Charles T. Russell In Hell by truthislight: 7:04pm On Dec 16, 2013*

@Highyo

How do we know that your visions are truth since Jesus said false prophate will arise ?

Apostle paul that saw the vision of paradise said that what he saw was things that was forbidden for a man to speak, but your tells did not get such directives from God, has God changed ?

Rilwayne001: [/b] If there is something I can do to gain billion of soul for the kingdom of God, I will do it [b]

lies, fake vissions.

@Highyo,

what he said above, ^ was it bad ?
Did you quote any bible to verify what you were saying ? How then will he know if it is true or false since the word of truth was not used ?
Dont you know that witches also see visions and it comes to pass also ?

Hence, from apostle pauls experience, we can deduced that the source of your vision is different from that of Apostle Paul since God did not direct you like he did paul, "fobbiden for a man to say", are you not a man ?

So, it is enough for one to conclude that what you saw was false since the bible example show you to be such. Hence his statement above, and you did not even care to use the bible to convince him but threaten him with last day destruction, is that the way to preach ?
Threatening people ?

highyo: on that day, you will know

And i told you to sharrap!

highyo: JUDGE FOR YOUR SELF, SHOULD I OBEY YOU AND SHUT UP, OR I SHOULD OBEY GOD AND KEEP TELLING THE TRUTH?

the sharrap meant what you said was nonsens, that you should stop talking nonsens in the name of Jesus.

Learn how to use the word of God if you are of God.

"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. " (Matthew 7:15).

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? " (Matthew 7:22).
..................

From ^ that, using of the name of Jesus is not what proves that one is true or false, since the false prophet also makes use of the name 'Jesus'.

Only the ignorant ones follows someone just because he calls the name Jesus.

If you dont show evidence that is consistent with what paul said, you are a lying medium.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Religion Complaints Thread (sticky) by truthislight: 2:22pm On Dec 16, 2013

POPE II: Seun we need a Catholic mod please

NL is a business, getting a mod That will stiffle threads that will make front page and attract traffic does not seem to be a good busines idea or plan it seems.

Denominational mods is a minus.

Christianity Etc › Re: Please Help by truthislight: 12:55pm On Dec 16, 2013

obadiah777: https://funny.funnyoldplanet.com/files/2009/04/padlock-slipper-fail.jpg

Yeah! That ^ will help. Lol.

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Saw Jehovah's Witnesses Founder Charles T. Russell In Hell by truthislight: 9:40am On Dec 16, 2013

highyo: on that day, you will know

Oh Sharrap!

Christianity Etc › Re: Creation Reveals The Existence Of A Creator by truthislight: 8:47am On Dec 16, 2013

Kay 17: So this means God is incomprehensible and yet unknowable! I just want to see how you people (jman and truthlight) will turn around to clamim God exists despite being incomprehensible.

Nope!

This below is the basis for the way forward:

"For every house is builded by someone; but he that built all things is God." (Hebrews 3:4).
.................

See men, all you can do to have a stand against ^ that rational conclusion or counter it is to show that there is no purposeful design in nature to sustain life, that every thing, i mean every thing is chaos.

Otherwise, go and sleep and oil your wouns.

Christianity Etc › Re: Creation Reveals The Existence Of A Creator by truthislight: 8:35am On Dec 16, 2013

Redlyn: You don't know what was before the begining neither do i. That's all. I don't jump to conclusions about god because of ignorance.

If rationally you dont jump to conclusion will we be here ? Will we ? No.

So, stop hidding your head in the sand like an ostrich cause the rest of your body is on the outside.

If you have noticed the shallowness of you "No God" rhetoric, the rational thing to do is abandone it.

Peace

Christianity Etc › Re: Creation Reveals The Existence Of A Creator by truthislight: 8:27am On Dec 16, 2013

Kay 17: The implication thereof is you can't use the Universe as proof for god's existence. And further, it is impossible to know/understand/comprehend God?!

I think you have simply shot yourself in the foot.

I see, you really lack what to say to defend that thing you people do say.

What you dont have the capacity to comprehend, how do you know it does not exist ? Smh for going in circle.

Accused me all you like, lie against me all you like, the truth stands, sorry men/woman.

What we have said so far did really fly over your head.

That the fish cannot comprehend how man lives out of water and remains alive does not mean that man does not.

now, does that ^ limitation of the fish means that man does not live out of water because the fish could not understand due to a lack of capacity ?

Be my guess, cover your eyes all you like.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Creation Reveals The Existence Of A Creator by truthislight: 8:19am On Dec 16, 2013

Redlyn: Truthislight So why do You think You can decipher anything about the creators existance or the begining of the universe? You know nothing just like the rest if us.

Where ? when ?

Are you not the one saying there is no God ? When we lack the capacity to draw such conclussion ?

Am only telling you from rational deduction from the things we see, we know that every house is built by someone, hence, the design in nature points to an intelligent designer, hence we can say from that lead of every house being built by someone that there is someone responsible for all intelligence we see in nature. Simple.

BTW. Have you lot so soon forgoten the basis of this thread ? Why forget so soon naw ?

If you have not forgotten, you would not have asked this questions. Why ?

Because our stand is that man does not have the capacity to decipher/find out God by himself, but by the evidence inherent in nature, we conclude rationally that it has a designer, which is the rational thing to do.

Stop letting your brain be shaking.

Christianity Etc › Re: Creation Reveals The Existence Of A Creator by truthislight: 1:55am On Dec 16, 2013*

Kay 17: The implication thereof is you can't use the Universe as proof for god's existence. And further, it is impossible to know/understand/comprehend God?!

I think you have simply shot yourself in the foot.

Christianity Etc › Re: Please Help by truthislight: 7:11pm On Dec 15, 2013

Hehehehe.

Christianity Etc › Re: Creation Reveals The Existence Of A Creator by truthislight: 1:46pm On Dec 15, 2013

What that is not naturally and reasonably possible is what you are insinuating, keep deceiving yourself.

No wonder you and your sort reason and end up in the bushes.

Smh.

Christianity Etc › Re: Creation Reveals The Existence Of A Creator by truthislight: 1:23pm On Dec 15, 2013*

Kay 17: What is the physical?

Is time physical?

Is information physical?

Are mathematical abstracts physical?

Same as the fish question abi? Ok let's assume God is incomprehensible to us, yet we see the complexity and beauty of the universe to conclude that invariably somebody built this "house", so also in the same line of consistent reasoning, it follows that the somebody too himself being super designed but be created by another designer, so on and so ad infinitum.

Good sense will tell us that the Universe will never be created if designers keep designing designers in infinity, this point when God creates the Universe will never approach.

An example: "before I shoot truthlight, I obliged to take permission from my oga at the top, who in turn has to take permission from his own oga at the top, and same has to take permission from his own oga at the top, ad infinitum. When do you think I will shoot truthlight?"

I dont know why you keep going back to what we have sorted out that it is impossible for the designed to comprehend the mind/existance of the designer ?

Naturally, it is impossible!

Hence your infinite regress is a function of ignorance!!!

Can you tell the life experience of your father and mother befor you were born if you were not brief ? Impossible!

Why keep deluding yourself then with the notion that you can decipher the creator of the univers existance ?

Kay 17: Same as the fish question abi? Ok let's assume God is incomprehensible to us, yet we see the complexity and beauty of the universe to conclude that invariably somebody built this "house", so also in the same line of consistent reasoning, it follows that the somebody too himself being super designed but be created by another designer, so on and so ad infinitum.

we have been through that already.

take this and remind yourself till your brain resets:

Kay 17: The mind is much more marvelous than the computer.

since that ^ is so,
can the computer then be able to verify the mind of its designer ?

can the computer decides to described how its designer came to be(exist) on its own ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Creation Reveals The Existence Of A Creator by truthislight: 6:53am On Dec 15, 2013

Kay 17: ^^
I don't get your question.

Kay 17: The mind is much more marvelous than the computer.

since that ^ is so,
can the computer then be able to verify the mind of its designer ?

can the computer decides to described how its designer came to be(exist) on its own ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Creation Reveals The Existence Of A Creator by truthislight: 10:11pm On Dec 14, 2013

*am posting this a second time to see if it will help*

When someone asks questions and gives the answers like you did below, and yet is unable to see it, we have reasons to conclude that something is wrong somewhere.

Kay 17: ^^
Very articulate.

However the 2nd designer is very much in contention and indispensable because we are concerned/confronted with Cosmology! And all other subsequent designers ad infinitum are accordingly relevant.

Note your computer design example, the complex arrangement and design was preconceived by a mind. The mind of the computer designer had already created the computer in his imagination. So its a mere reflection of the mind, and making the human mind, the builder's min more complex than his product. The mind is much more marvelous than the computer.

Same as God's mind.

2nd designer creates God, 3rd designer creates 2nd designer, 4th designer creates 3rd designer ad infinitum. The problem is, it is logically absurd for that to happen, so also we can't say God or any of the designers are uncaused, because they are still complex and we can easily claim the Universe or earth is uncaused.

So for the problem of infinite creators.

What could be wrong ^ with you ?

huh

There seems to be a disconnect some where with people like you its like.

Kay 17: The mind is much more marvelous than the computer.

Why then do you want the computer to verify the mind of its designer ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Religion Complaints Thread (sticky) by truthislight: 2:35pm On Dec 14, 2013

Ajibam: i resigned Bro
no time for moderation again..and this section needs someone that can sacrifice alot of time..

Ok.

Christianity Etc › Re: Religion Complaints Thread (sticky) by truthislight: 2:19pm On Dec 14, 2013

Now, two Mods have appeared.

Who said there are no mods here ?

Hehehehe.

Maybe, just maybe. Your reasons ?

*You people are looking for mods to bash*

Hehehehe grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Religion Complaints Thread (sticky) by truthislight: 2:11pm On Dec 14, 2013

Reyginus: Thank you, my Catholic Brother

hehehehe. Lol. grin

for the sake of striktlymi, i will let you off the hook on this.

Lol.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Creation Reveals The Existence Of A Creator by truthislight: 2:00pm On Dec 14, 2013

Kay 17: Most theists fail to realize that causality is all about change in form! It does not bring about existence. A causal question about existence, suggests non-existence was prior to existence. This is nonsensical to believe Nothing is the cause of existence.

Theists don not realize that they hold God as the substance of existence, and he changed A PART of his self to create the Universe and all! After all, God cannot create from Nothing.

Your constrain is noted, but that is because you are a materialist.

Christianity Etc › Re: Creation Reveals The Existence Of A Creator by truthislight: 1:54pm On Dec 14, 2013*

When someone asks questions and gives the answers like you did below, we have reasons to conclude that some thing is wrong somewhere.

Kay 17: ^^
Very articulate.

However the 2nd designer is very much in contention and indispensable because we are concerned/confronted with Cosmology! And all other subsequent designers ad infinitum are accordingly relevant.

Note your computer design example, the complex arrangement and design was preconceived by a mind. The mind of the computer designer had already created the computer in his imagination. So its a mere reflection of the mind, and making the human mind, the builder's min more complex than his product. The mind is much more marvelous than the computer.

Same as God's mind.

2nd designer creates God, 3rd designer creates 2nd designer, 4th designer creates 3rd designer ad infinitum. The problem is, it is logically absurd for that to happen, so also we can't say God or any of the designers are uncaused, because they are still complex and we can easily claim the Universe or earth is uncaused.

So for the problem of infinite creators.

What could be wrong ^ with you ?

huh

There seems to be a disconnect some where with people like you its like.

Kay 17: The mind is much more marvelous than the computer.

Why then do you want the computer to verify the mind of its designer ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Creation Reveals The Existence Of A Creator by truthislight: 1:38pm On Dec 14, 2013

Kay 17: ^^
You guys are making this too labourious.

Do you think God's Mind is caused or uncaused? Why?

Do you think the Universe is caused or uncaused? Why?

What is the defining yardstick for the physical world?

Dont spread your infinite regress, it is not a weakness that is common to all.

Cure it with facts.
Be real and realistic to what you see which is obvious and stop leting your finite mind play tricks on you.

You cannot even do a good work with the world you know on planet earth, but you are postulating about the one you know absolutely nothing about > the univers.

The evidence from the one we see shows it was purposely made to support life.

That ^ you keep denying, but rether, you are here asking if the one you know nothing about is caused or uncaused. Smh.

Stop deceiving yourself with those empty questions, be real, have a life!

Imagine!

You seemed to have played too much computer games, thats why fancy postulation controls your life.

If your brain is functioning so efficiently that you can determind the caused of the univers, why not at least be able to do justice to planet earth and unravel techology to fixe all of mans problems ?

Charity begins at home they say, since your charity works in outer space >
Take the fancy guess work of your finite mind to the fictional section of NL joore!

Nonsense! cool

Christianity Etc › Re: Creation Reveals The Existence Of A Creator by truthislight: 8:16am On Dec 14, 2013

The evidence we see in the physical world tells us that things are caused, hence, the basis to deduced that what we have around us was caused by someone.

Hey, stop threatening us. grin

Lol. hehehehe.

Kay 17: @truthlight and Jman05

Both of you are hypocrites!

How did you understand fishes live in water?

How do you understand fishes can't comprehend man on land?

Both of you rambled on about building and builder, and when it get to God's mind, suddenly its a mysterious building!

I doubt if you people really thought about it. If God's Mind does not require a cause, then it puts at risk the general principle of causality! If due to our lack of comprehension, we cannot understand some phenomena, then we cannot say God's Mind was caused or the Universe itself is caused!

Who said that God's mind was caused ?

But the universe is caused, yes.

Meanwhile, take care of that contradiction on red there ^.

*because we cannot comprehend the things outside planet earth fully, we hence cant make conclusive statement like > "there is no God"*.

The evidence around us says otherwise.

Evidences are the basis for conclussions, evidences are the basis for judgement.
Evidences that a house is build by someone is the evidence that God exist > the maker.

Why deviate from this trend when it comes to this ?

We cant just ignore the glaring evidence we see around us and say otherwise.

Christianity Etc › Re: Religion Complaints Thread (sticky) by truthislight: 7:42am On Dec 14, 2013

Reyginus: Good morning moderators. Please is there any way one can report a spambot ban without creating a new username?

Logicboy03: No....because you cant comment if banned....unfortunately

Yes there is.

Make used of the 'report' space that will still appear when you are ban by the spambot, it goes to the mods.

You can even copy the info on your profile and pest on the report and the link to your last post, it will help.

That is what i do when spambot calls.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Creation Reveals The Existence Of A Creator by truthislight: 11:52pm On Dec 13, 2013

Kay 17: Hmmmm. But out of your intelligence, you said God created the Universe, and you were not present to watch God do that. I didn't complain about your overreaching intelligence!

Its like you have given up.

Given up on what ?

I had made myself explicitly clear, what do you think i have not said ?

I had told you - every house is built by someone, what else do you want ?

Any deduction contrary to that ^ fact will be tending toward lack of knowledge of reality.

Christianity Etc › Re: JMAN05, BERNIMOORE ON JONAH'S WARNING VS JW RUSSELL 1914 PREDICTION. by truthislight: 8:37pm On Dec 13, 2013

arsenalwenger: I wont like to derail this thread. I think there is need to open another thread for JMAN05, BERNIMORRE, truthislight etc to explain this new concept where the JW now called God a spirit person.

Me and you ^ ? Hehehehe, smh.

You lot should go and play in the sand, when the force behind trinity that made trinitarians kill their oponents on the ground where the doctrin was enacted free you lot, i will know.

Yet, with all the evil you and your mother(RCC) have done in the name of "christianity", i just wonder if that is what christ will have done, how christ like ?

Trinity indeed!

Meanwhile, i dont play in the sand like kids, cause that is what this has became.

@hisblud thread and yougurz are of this sort, anyone that feel he has bible truth to discuss with me, meet me up on any thread you see me posting and lets roll, the bible will always speak for itself.

Peace all. cool

Christianity Etc › Re: Creation Reveals The Existence Of A Creator by truthislight: 3:10pm On Dec 13, 2013*

Kay 17: ^^
Yes I Agree, and address God's Mind

How can i address the mind of God when you cannot even address that of man that you can see ?

Are some of us humans suffereing from over self estimation ? I dont.

Over bloated intelligence of ones self is deceitful and can be destructive.

But the Bible answers all my Questions. No ?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by truthislight: 2:59pm On Dec 13, 2013

Bidam: Lol..He shot himself in the foot.

in an attempt to be wise. I don't think he will be able to answer that question

Hmmmmm! Did i ?

How ? Where ? When ? Smh for pastors.

*Birds of the same feather flocks togather*

Christianity Etc › Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by truthislight: 2:52pm On Dec 13, 2013

Emusan: How doest this ~~thrash~~trash answer my question?

Yeah Right!

The Bible is trash.

How emotions blinds people.

"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." (1 Timothy 2:3-4).

cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: Is It True That The Man Christ Is Not God? by truthislight: 11:31am On Dec 13, 2013

Jman is not the Judge of Man.

Emusan: Pls a question about that bolded part, what will happen to those who practise this doctrine?

but this is what God says in the bible:

"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the 'truth'." (1 Timothy 2:3-4).
............

That ^ is what God the altimate judge of all men says.

It is God's will that people get to "know the 'truth' to be saved".

Christianity Etc › Re: Creation Reveals The Existence Of A Creator by truthislight: 10:55am On Dec 13, 2013*

Kay 17: First of all, nobody in this thread is claiming chance and neither would logicboy's poor arguments be used as a prop to support your untenable arguments! Your argument has to stand on its own.

Now, you claim all buildings, cars and complexities must have a builder as their cause -- this is your premise

I'm saying as a weak point in your argument, that God's Mind similarly demonstrates the complexity found in houses, cars and buildings, therefore should have a cause responsible for such a super Mind.

Invariably God would have a cause!

Well, if the fish cannot comprehend certain basics out of its world, we conclude that it has certain basic mental limitations.

If we humans cant comprehend certain basic fundamental outside this our aquarium(planet earth with its atmosphare), what do you think the rational conclussion should be ?(considering that of the fish).

Good ! You guess right! cheesy

if we can comprehend all outside planet earth, what do you think NASSA is doing with sending propes and cameras to outter space ?

Hey! Be fair! Dont assign limited capacity to the fish and find it hard to recongnised yours.

Humility is a virture.

Christianity Etc › Re: Creation Reveals The Existence Of A Creator by truthislight: 10:34am On Dec 13, 2013*

Kay 17: OK I agREE!

Cool, that is the rational thing to do.

Kay 17: God's Mind as a house. who built it??

Now, how do you think we can explain to the fishes in the water as to how come we humans stay out of water and keep living ?

Lets start with that ^ simple one first that we can see.

If you feel that the fish capacity for now cannot comprehend it for now, is it also possible that there are things we cannot dicipher for now ?

But that does not stop the fishes from continuing their life even though they cannot comprehend it.

Does their inability and lack of comprehension means that humans cannot live out of water ? How can ? No naw!

Why then should ours lead to such conclusion ?

The evidence says the complexity around us cannot come by chance.

1. The atmosphere around us to keep the oxygen withing and burn off harmful objects heading to smarsh the earth.

2. The rotating of the earth to prevent the earth from becoming extreme in temperature:
facing the sun constantly > that part will become too hot and burns off all life.

3. Backing the sun constantly, that side will froze and kill of all life.

4. The magnetic field from the earth core that serves as a shield, shielding off harmful radiation from the sun and others from getting to the earth and killing life.

5. The self restoring Ozone layer that does the obviouse.

6. The oxygen and carbondioxide circle. (just imagine we had to buy oxygen, and where will you be storing your waste carbondioxide ?)

7. The water circle and characteristics of water ? Smh.

8. The DNA ?

9. The activities of living cell ? (a complete megga factory).

10. The human brain cheesy

simply incomprehensible!!!!

11. Etc ..............too many to mention.

Charity begins at home ^ indeed.

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