₦airaland Forum

Enigma: ^^^ I have seen some people refer to themselves and say that the are not Christians; rather that they are "Catholics"!

Honestly, this people have no regards for the bible am afaid.

They just alocate whatever they want for themselves. Smh.

I just wish they will be able to alocate everlasting life for themselves also.

"..................; but he that does the will of my Father who is in heaven will be saved. " (Matthew 7:21).

But am sfraid, that ^ is what Jesus said.

Ajibam: a mod is not above the law,, if you wanna hide as usual... hide am,add a little ban to it

Hehehehe.

You made me laugh.

a good sense of humour is medicinal.

*using this thread for chit chat is not good for this section*

italo: With all due respect, this post makes no sense.

Good good.

If you had understood the significance of the word 'christian', you will not imagined that the word 'catholic' is better than it, such that you force it for Jesus christ and his apostles.

truthislight: We all sometimes tell ourselves what that makes us feel ire.

But that does not change the truth.

The word "Christian" has the word 'christ' in it and means > followers of christ.

But i dont know on what basis the word catholic takes the place/supersedes the word christians or followers of christ.

How can that be possible

hisblud: please open another thread on the kingdom of God which according to paul is righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost. EOD

Heheheheh

funny dude.

"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." (Revelation 21:4).



Smh. "Christian"

italo: Oh yeah?! The followers of Christ were first called Christians in Antioch; does that mean that the converts at Pentecost were not Christians? Does that mean that Christianity started at Antioch? Imagine Italo was named "italo" 8days after his birth; does that mean that crying baby at birth was not italo? You see that your logic is very very poor and faulty.

It was the same Church founded on the Apostles that St. Ignatius called "Catholic Church" in 110AD to differentiate from the many heretical sects that were springing up at the time. It was its first leaders that wrote the books of the NT. There were far far more than these 27 books (including forgeries and uninspired books) in circulation among Christians. It was this same Church founded on the Apostles - The Catholic Church that decided that these 27 would make up the NT and the many others would not make it.

We all sometimes tell ourselves what that makes us feel ire.

But that does not change the truth.

The word "Christian" has the word 'christ' in it and means > followers of christ.

But i dont know on what basis the word catholic takes the place/supersedes the word christians or followers of christ.

How can that be possible

Enigma: Ah, interesting that Roman Catholics on this thread now seem to have abandoned the claim that Damasus was the first to "canonise" the Bible at some council of Rome in 382. Of course that claim has to be abandoned because, as we have shown, it is a lie based on a forged document.

But then we still see the claim that "the canon was first decided at Hippo". This is another lie of course but the Roman Catholics have to hang onto it because otherwise the false claim that the Roman Catholics canonised the Bible in the 4th century is completely shattered. Let us set the lie in stark relief for the benefit of people genuinely interested in understanding these matters.

1. There is no canon that Roman Catholics can produce from Hippo! Some of them try to claim that they can use the later councils of Carthage to "reconstruct" what must have happened at Hippo. They are not to be trusted as it is believed that they are even tampering with the documents from Carthage!

2. Neither Hippo nor Carthage was a Roman Catholic council. They were only regional or "provincial" African councils as even leading Roman Catholics including "Cardinal" Cajetan admit!

3. If we stick to the 4th century alone, the canon and list presented by Athanasius in AD 367 came before anything that Roman Catholics can claim as a canon that they made.

4. In any event, the canon of the Bible dates back to the late first century before there was any such thing as either "the Catholic Church" or the Roman Catholic Church.

^^^^

Thanks for the above.

I was content just reading your views and not jumping in untill you pen those on red below.

italo: My earlier statement regarding this is not a categorical statement meaning the principle for the Canon of the NT is not in the Bible. I said, 'if I must give you one tradition that isnt in the Bible.' I deliberately pointed that out because you Protestants expect everything "scriptural" to be explicitly spelt out in Scripture. So based on your Protestant belief, none of you can tell me that the Canon of the New Testament is scriptural, rather, it is Tradition, yet you adhere to it. That's the point I was trying to drive home.But indeed, the Principle for every Tradition can be found in scripture, to one degree or another, even the Canon of the NT.That's the contradiction in their theology we have been pointing out for ages. In sticking to the 27 books (not explicitly listed in the Bible), they put their faith in Catholic Tradition.In even accepting the authorship and authenticity of the books of the NT, they put their faith in Catholic Tradition. But in the usage and interpretation of the same books, they reject and then demonize Catholic Tradition.That is the gross contradiction and hypocrisy that we complain about.

The 27 books of the NT are not "catholic traditions" or anything remotely resembling succh. Since such a word began to be used in the 2nd ce.

And all 27 books are products of the 1st century ce.

The teaching of the NT are exclusive of the apostles of christ for christians.

Luke and Mark are disciples of christ and in close association with the apostles as can be seen from the reading of the book of 'Acts of the apostles'.

This Two individual did not angaged in 'teaching', but reported History.

When you look at the NT from hence, you know how it came about, hence completely and absolutely devoid of anything referencing it as "catholic traditions".

How this books whose writing was all done in the 1st century ce can be called "catholic tradition" when the word catholic was first ever use in the 2nd century beats reasonable reasons.

The NT then is the product of christ Apostles. QED.

If any other book or books should join in the writings of christ Apostles, you first have to prove that the writer of the book or books was an apostle of christ Jesus.

This line is a streight line.

Any that wish to confused it is only confusing himself in an effort to asign the effort of the apostles to RCC.

May the reader use decernment.

Peace.

Interesting.

mavister: since you clerverly avoided telling me your church history. Let me tell you a bit. Pls i dnt hate you oh. . Dont be so pathetic. The membership of this church is more than half of all that are identified as Christianity (over one billion people) but the majority of Catholics baptized into the denomination do not even regularly practice their religion. Additionally, many Catholics know little about their own beliefs or they ignore the doctrine. Many integrate it with native pagan religions.
This denomination teaches that you are saved by grace, faith and works of merit. God's grace is something you must earn by keeping the church sacraments, traditions and rituals and by doing good works. The priests of the church are successors of the apostles and have all of Christ's authority on earth. The priests are grace dispensers and the church is infallible . If you accumulate enough merit you will go to heaven. Otherwise you will have to go through the fires of purgatory or to hell. The writings of the church fathers and the traditions of the church have equal weight with the holy scriptures. The members of this church are in the process of being saved by their works of merit.
Problems:
Many of the church's traditions and practices are contrary to scripture proving that this church is far from being infallible. Satan with his wolves in sheep's clothing has infiltrated this church and corrupted it. The Catholic Church has become like the corrupted Judaism that Jesus condemned. It is largely a church of Pharisees and of blind ritual -- a church of idolatry, rote prayer, and traditions of men. To rid most of Christianity of apostasy in the Church we first would have to go to the root of apostasy and purge out most of the doctrines that have infiltrated the Catholic Church.

https://www.nairaland.com/1515462/italo-catholics-please-defend-doctrines/9#1963969

A very interesting Guy.

One wonders if he is a catholic.

mavister: A few of the many other heresies:
*.In much of the third worldCatholicism has been integrated with pagan witchcraftand no major correction is coming from Rome. Yet the Vatican rails against those who teach true Christianity to those doing such things.
*.The scapular is worn by some Catholics who believe that salvation can come from something they hang around their neck.
*.Expecting power by using Holy water, medals, holy pictures and objects blessed by a priest is simply belief in the occult. It simply is witchcraft.
*.Many Catholic churches allow gambling and drinking on the church premises to raise funds.
*.The Pope as the vicar of Christ is not scriptural and many Popes have been anti-Christ.Peter was not the first Pope. The first real Pope was Leo 1st about 400 years later.Peter was an apostle to the Jews. Paul was the apostle to the gentilesfrom which most post first century Christianity descended.
*.The former Pope called Moslems brothers, kissed the Koran and said that Moslems are on a path to God. He had a close friendshipwith the top leader of Eastern Pagan religion and said they were on the same path. He told Catholics that salvation of the earth comes through Mary. Further, hewarned Catholics about the dangers of Christian evangelicals that teach the Bible. He welcomed non believers in Christ as brothers but did not rescind the one hundred anathema's made by the Catholic Church against all Protestant believers. (In catholic theology the anathema's mean all Protestants will go to Hell. The anathema's came from a infallible papal decree so it can never be rescinded. Thus, the only hope of salvation for Protestants within the Catholic theology is for Protestants to return to the Catholic Church).This is not Christian leadership it is the type of anti-Christ leadership that Paul warned true Christians to beware ofbut this church wants to declare this Pope a saint. The present pope is apparently is no wiser about salvation theology he seems to think that all people of good will are saved and many religions like Islam worship the same God as Christians even though Islam doctrine says that God has no Son. Some Catholics are now calling him an anti-pope because some of his views conflict with the views of other infallible popes. Oh, the Joy of blind Religion!
*.The Catholic Church has a wretched history and continues countless heretical teachings. Read " The Women Rides the Beast"by Dave Huntfor detailed information on the history and practices of this church in apostasy.

https://www.nairaland.com/1515462/italo-catholics-please-defend-doctrines/9#19639690

mavister: A few of the many other heresies:
*.In much of the third worldCatholicism has been integrated with pagan witchcraftand no major correction is coming from Rome. Yet the Vatican rails against those who teach true Christianity to those doing such things.
*.The scapular is worn by some Catholics who believe that salvation can come from something they hang around their neck.
*.Expecting power by using Holy water, medals, holy pictures and objects blessed by a priest is simply belief in the occult. It simply is witchcraft.
*.Many Catholic churches allow gambling and drinking on the church premises to raise funds.
*.The Pope as the vicar of Christ is not scriptural and many Popes have been anti-Christ.Peter was not the first Pope. The first real Pope was Leo 1st about 400 years later.Peter was an apostle to the Jews. Paul was the apostle to the gentilesfrom which most post first century Christianity descended.
*.The former Pope called Moslems brothers, kissed the Koran and said that Moslems are on a path to God. He had a close friendshipwith the top leader of Eastern Pagan religion and said they were on the same path. He told Catholics that salvation of the earth comes through Mary. Further, hewarned Catholics about the dangers of Christian evangelicals that teach the Bible. He welcomed non believers in Christ as brothers but did not rescind the one hundred anathema's made by the Catholic Church against all Protestant believers. (In catholic theology the anathema's mean all Protestants will go to Hell. The anathema's came from a infallible papal decree so it can never be rescinded. Thus, the only hope of salvation for Protestants within the Catholic theology is for Protestants to return to the Catholic Church).This is not Christian leadership it is the type of anti-Christ leadership that Paul warned true Christians to beware ofbut this church wants to declare this Pope a saint. The present pope is apparently is no wiser about salvation theology he seems to think that all people of good will are saved and many religions like Islam worship the same God as Christians even though Islam doctrine says that God has no Son. Some Catholics are now calling him an anti-pope because some of his views conflict with the views of other infallible popes. Oh, the Joy of blind Religion!
*.The Catholic Church has a wretched history and continues countless heretical teachings. Read " The Women Rides the Beast"by Dave Huntfor detailed information on the history and practices of this church in apostasy.

ooooohhh!

Now i know why RCC members ran from this thread. Hehehehe.

mavister: since you clerverly avoided telling me your church history. Let me tell you a bit. Pls i dnt hate you oh. . Dont be so pathetic. The membership of this church is more than half of all that are identified as Christianity (over one billion people) but the majority of Catholics baptized into the denomination do not even regularly practice their religion. Additionally, many Catholics know little about their own beliefs or they ignore the doctrine. Many integrate it with native pagan religions.
This denomination teaches that you are saved by grace, faith and works of merit. God's grace is something you must earn by keeping the church sacraments, traditions and rituals and by doing good works. The priests of the church are successors of the apostles and have all of Christ's authority on earth. The priests are grace dispensers and the church is infallible . If you accumulate enough merit you will go to heaven. Otherwise you will have to go through the fires of purgatory or to hell. The writings of the church fathers and the traditions of the church have equal weight with the holy scriptures. The members of this church are in the process of being saved by their works of merit.
Problems:
Many of the church's traditions and practices are contrary to scripture proving that this church is far from being infallible. Satan with his wolves in sheep's clothing has infiltrated this church and corrupted it. The Catholic Church has become like the corrupted Judaism that Jesus condemned. It is largely a church of Pharisees and of blind ritual -- a church of idolatry, rote prayer, and traditions of men. To rid most of Christianity of apostasy in the Church we first would have to go to the root of apostasy and purge out most of the doctrines that have infiltrated the Catholic Church.

Hehehehehe.

This guy is maverical indeed.

@Mavister

are you a catholic or once a catholic ?

I will send this post as one of the best quote i have seen on NL.

BERNIMOORE: @hisblud



you have no point,

jonah in the bible predicts fall of nineveh forty days to his proclamation, but it never happen;

Jonah 3:4
4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.

Because of scoffers, here is what jonah said to the lord when the timing change

Jonah 4:4

4 But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he became angry. 2 So he prayed to the Lord, and said, “Ah, Lord, was not this what I said when I was still in my country? Therefore I fled previously to Tarshish; for I know that You are a gracious and merciful God, slow to anger and abundant in lovingkindness, One who relents from doing harm. 3 Therefore now, O Lord, please take my life from me, for it is better for me to die than to live!”

to scoffers, jonah was a false prophet, that he wish to die

my question is; can the timing of God's prophecy change?

answer

Leave the short sighted people.

The things that was written aforetimes, like Johnah's experience was for our benefits.

But they will not think.

The people of Nenivites never knew what happened after Johnah preached to them and can hence call Johnah a False prophet.

Good for them.

"And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders," (2 Thessalonians 2:8-9).

Mrlouis: this guy must be a confused fellow. Can u tell us now how ur ''bead'' (rosary) emanated? What kind of grace does it give you? Imagine him saying '' it will lead you straight to heaven'' lies lies lies. Without holiness no man SHALL see the lord. No wonder i left the catholic church. These lies were so much for me to handle. No scriptural backing to worsen things. I hope God opens your eyes somday. Amen

"And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" (2 Thessalonians 2:10-11).

annyplenty: For two different occasions now, I have had a dream of an aeroplane crashing into water in Nigeria.
Now, about the last day of october, 2013, in the early hours, the dream came again in the same manner that the first one came but now it was clearer. The plane plunged directly into the water; may be a river, lagoon, lake or so, but it is a body of water. In the afternoon of the same day, similar dream continued.

Maybe you are ignorant.

The safest root for plane to fly to minimised casualty is along river, lake and lagoon root in domestic fights.

There will always be a mechanical failure and hence, there will always be a plane crash with the current technology.

When that ^ does happened in domestic flight, it is sure to be in water, over 90% of the times due to the fact that planes customarily fly along over water.

Look for fools else where.

That a plane crashes is no prophesy.

Peace

scaler345: Will u guys stop quoting the above verse? From the little we know from science, such argument is stale.

care to explain how God that live outside of our solar system makes use of the same sun with us and hence the same time ?

How did science disprove that ?

OLAADEGBU: Man created in the image of God wasn't meant to die.

Thats ^ the only truth you have said in the whole of this your thread.

OLAADEGBU: You've got 3 different interpretations? That's where your confusion lies. The day Adam sinned, God's warning that he would die began to come true. In Hebrew language, the expression ''you shall die'' actually means ''dying you shall die'' - in other words, a process of dying was to start.

Science has discovered that death is a process that starts at conception. Within every cell, at the end of the DNA, are small pieces called telemeres. At each division of the cell a telemere is lost. Eventually all the telemere are gone, and the cell dies. The phrase ''Dying you shall die'' is technically fulfilled.

Ooh. Sharrap !

Goshen360: Good and uplifting article. If Adam didn't die, and subsequently all men dying in Adam, God would be a liar and Christ as second\last Adam will mean nonsense.

However, we understand the redemptive truth that, by one man, all men became sinners because all was 'in' Adam when he sinned. But much more, we understand that, it was reversed and undone in one man's obedience and all 'in' Christ are put right again with God, becoming righteous through and in Christ.

Thanks for that though.

God's time and that of humans are not the same since God's throne is not on planet earth and he God does not make use of the same sun with human and the sun is the means of time calculation for man but not God.

But the bible tells us that God's one day is this :

"For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night." (Psalm 90:4).
...........

Maybe that verse is a lie.

But we know that Adam lived for 930yrs, less than a day befor God that made that statement.

So, from the bible, Adam died the same day he ate the fruit.

BARRISTERS: FRIEND, LONG LONG TIME, ITS BEEN A WHILE NOW!

Yeah, long time no seeing.
Its been long really.

Hope all is well ?

Its good having you around men.

unongu: Please get the book titled: "The Twenty-Seven Most Common Misconceptions About The Catholic Church" written by Moses Unongu. Soft copy available online! Call 08068700027 for the book and your doubts about the Catholic Church will be cleared forever!!!

Hehehehe, why did you come to NL then ?

NL is an open forum my friend.

We do things openly for all to see.

Here, na "show me".

Keep your whatever, and post whatever you have on the forum for all to see.

Peace

italo: All this because I politely ask that my name be off the title, since I'm uncomfortable with it?

You should never have been "comfortable" putting someone else ID on your own op at all at the first place.

Golden rule my friend : "Do unto others what you will like them to do unto you also." Jesus had said.

Gombs: ^^
Oya let me hand you a lifeline

Answer these



I am about leaving the thread, not just because you guys are recycling questions and posts, or that you keep shooting your feet...but because I find no joy in being happy over your shortcomings in the Word, over your blunder and that of others here, all in a bid to reject tithing.

I'd rather go pray for God's knowledge to fill you and others willing, as the waters cover the sea.

Note!...it will profit us nothing if we keep wallowing in a matter that's not weightier (but necessary) in Christianity, where there are weightier things to be discussed in Christianity.

God didn't give you a commission to go about fighting a tithe war! Let Him fight His war! He uproots all that is not His, if Tithing was/is not of God, let God uproot it Himself...He is able


Numbers 11 Amp
23 The Lord said to Moses, Has the Lord’s hand (His
ability and power) become short (thwarted and
inadequate)? You shall see now whether My word shall come to pass for you or not.


If you feel tithing is an evil in God's church, get on your knees, and make your petition known to God.

He already told you what you do...to GO make disciples of all nations, teaching them to do ALL he has commanded us... Start today and get on with it. Its not compulsory though!

Just yield urself to study, God will surely direct you on what path you shd go...

Cheers!

You will really like us to keep quiet so that you and your likes can milk those that for the sake of christianity go to your business centers where 5 times offerings are collected excluding sowing or seeds, and ofcouse, the preaching is all about money! Money!! Money!!!

Well, you miss fired, Jesus did not keep silent when the people of his days turned the temple of God to business center, he chased them away and cursed them, such action is what you all business centers deserved.

Your exploitation has made nonsense of legitimate means of earning a living and made greed the order of ther day why people steal and believe it is God that has opened up the way for them, hence, feeding corruption in the country.

Even the young men in Nigeria dont want to think and be creative again and do work but sees christianity as a means of easy money.

The rest sees it as a place to consult as an oracle can be consulted, and no longer the love for God and christ.

The damage that your counterfeit has done to the image of christianity is huge.

Just see all the out of scriptural posting you have been making here!

Is christianity all about making money ?

Is God/Yahweh a money making venture ?
What about loving God Just because he first loved us ?

Selfish greedy lots.

Keep on beging us to let you defraud people. Smh.

Gombs: Ajayi Kayode




Answer these, you the only folk keeping me here o!

Pls gv me a reason to stay

If you dont stay, it is because you wants to excape and run away as a .......

italo: It would be a pleasure to discuss my faith with you...

...but would you be kind enough to take off my name from the title? I am not comfortable with it.

Thank you.

Hehehehehe, guy you dey yap, you must be on Jamaican vegetable. Lol

Italo, will you common go ahead and answer the questions Joore and stop being a disgrace to catholic or you disappear.

If you never did that to others befor, then you would had had a case, but you did exactly same to this Op on a thread you Opened.

I dont wish to visit this your truancy on your catholic church since i know that you are the irrespomsible brat here.

When infant pick up ID on NL, they become irresponsible with it and bring embarassment.

Wise people and responsible people know the adage that says : "Let he that lives in glass housees learn not to throw stones".

This is nonsensical rubbish display dear. Smh.

the apostles of christ were not foolish that you will come here to add or correct them.

See what they say concerning we gentiles nations:

"Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles that are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood." (Acts 15:19-20).
............

Did you see tithe there ^ ?

From that ^, it is very obviouse that you are a theif that is adding monetary tithe to gentiles christians to defraud them and enrich your pocket.

So, from that, tell us now, are you not a theif ?

Gombs: You never wash beans first, yet you come dey percive the smell of moi moi


Start giving the 10% first, after that, the answer to the other 90% would fall in place.

Let me don't remove my unwashed teeth outside o! Time don dey reach for anti tithers to switch to plan B!

What that brought gentiles to Yahweh is the New covanant, and that is what the NT is all about, can you show where in the NT that says that gentiles/christians should pay tithes ?

Apostle paul said that when he goes to the Jews, he acts like the Jews, and when he goes to the gentiles, he behave like a gentile, are you here saying that Apostle paul carried the Jewish tithe to the gentiles he was preaching to ?

The processes of the jews and their form or worship was an exclusive of the jews and not a gentile process of pleasing Yahweh.

Following blindly is not acceptable, hence the NT for Gentiles.

Even the samaritans that were so close to the jews got it wrong imagining they were serving Yahweh.

See:

"You worship what you do not know: we worship what we know : salvation originate with the Jews. " (John 4:22).

Now, that ^ is what asumptions in worship led to, for the samaritans, just like what you are doing here, asumptions upon asumptions.

The manual for christians is the NT and not this your deceits owing to greed and love of money when you cannot work.

Just show us where the NT commanded christians to tithe.

But for Israel, they had their system from Yahweh, and the Gentiles do.

The Jewish laws was for the Jewish people.

See:

"He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel. He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD." (Psalm 147:19-20).
................

Yes, yahweh has not done that to any other nation, and we are gentiles, and not Israel.

Whatever you will want christian to do must be written in God's word the bible and the NT to Gentiles :

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. " (Matthew 7:21).
....................

So, whatever christians must do must be the doing of God's will.

So, show us please.

Peace

Gombs: Yeah! After Bidam resurrected his thread where he wants us to give 1k to help build churches in the North...and help Christians thr....I've not been noticing him around!

He was sore Bidam raised the thread up!



Kunle has been a lot careful not to shoot his foot. All anti tithers have shot themselves on the foot, esp Goshen. It's almost like Goshen shoots his leg for sport

what you are doing here is more or less a propaganda stuff, nothing like 'truth'.

Gombs: Why are you even asking me whether I'm a Jew or a levite?
Told you I tithe in the faith of Abraham, is Abraham a Jew or Mechizedek a levite?

I'm just glad viewers see a perfect example of how folks recycle posts and already answered questions!

I won't reply to any other recycled question!

It is either you shut up or you start giving scriptural evidence for all this your lawlessness, else you get what you rightly deserve because a theif should be call a theif without fear or fevour to protect others.

So, can you start showing where the bible says that christians should "tithe in the faith of Abraham" ? Please do, else, you are a lawless fellow.

"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" (Isaiah 5:20).
...............

I know your type.

Gombs: Hello sir, you must be new here! Thank you for your conviction on tithing. However, never be swayed by any doctrine that discourages a form of giving to God. Never subscribe to it. Why? Because the Devil WILL NEVER tempt you to give in the House of God.

As regards trying to convince anybody who disagrees with tithing, you would just end up wasting your time.

What Goshen is telling you has been treated in over 1000pages of NL tithe threads. What Barrister and truthslight is asking me has been answered on this thread. All they do is recycle their post and questions.
That's why I leave viewers to decide on what road they wanna thread

For example, I've told him Jesus and his disciples left their Jobs and was in full time ministry...I asked him, whr did the monies that was in Judas' bag come from?
And he just said their was nothing like full time pastor in the New testament. I hope he could tell me what trade Peter and John had after following Jesus.

The good part of it all though is, they always find a way of shooting themselves in the foot
There is always inconsistency with them. For example, Goshen here said Melchizek was born of a woman and man, just that the bible did not record it! He also said the man was/is long dead and never resurected totally against what the bible said that Melchizedek has no beginning of day nor end of life.

www.nairaland.com/1456343/tithes-offerings-eternal-principles/22

But years back, same Goshen said Melchizedek had NO genealogical
Line and he is a priest forever.

www.nairaland.com/903159/really-melchizedek
(Hope he doesn't go and edit the post I don screen grab am sha )

In this thread, Drummerboy said Melchizedek had a 'religious capacity' , I asked him what religion? He also said Melchizedek is from the Order of Jesus!

Another folk here said Melchizedek was a king and was entitled to a tax, a tax which Abraham paid as tithe

Goshen also said Mal 3 was not for Christians even after it has been explained that the new creation folks were the refined priests Mal 3 was talking about. And how mal 3 talked about things of today!

I could go on and on and name the rest folks...

Why are they always inconsistent? Because, Jesus said whatsoever that is not planted by my father shall be uprooted! They can't keep consistency on what they say because it is not founded on the Word of God which is same yesterday, today and forever!
Ok, let's just say they made mistakes as in they didn't study well! (imagine)
They sadly fulfill this scripture
Romans 1 Amp

22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools [professing to be smart, they made simpletons of themselves].

I could go on and on. But, all I wanna say is, hold fast to what you believe in, hundreds of million of people who tithe are not dumb or less studious of the bible or too stoopid to think that tithing is abolished.


if you wanna argue with them, as you are new here, be careful, or to stay on the safe side, ignore them and watch them from afar. they will lay a snare for you, and when you fall, they will use it against your stand.

And nearly all anti tithers have something in common ...they might later on insult you and all they can lay hands on as the thread goes on. Its a prophecy from me!

Anyways! Have a happy sunday. And remain blessed.t keep consistency on what they say because it is not founded on the Word of God which is same yesterday, today and forever!
Ok, let

That ^ is your conscience working on you due to the fear of what you feel you deserve, > curses.

Keep on killing your conscience and ever live in fear of being exposed

Gombs: But there is offerings by faith, yet no tithing by faith...you dey try o



Pls show me any place in the NT bible or OT bible where ANYBODY condemned tithing...don't worry I can wait for your answer.

Even when Heb 7 shows you Abraham's tithing to melchizedek in plurality...question is how many folks physically tithed to Melchizedek in the bible?

And you are here saying there is nothing as tithing by faith...who are the other ones that made Abraham's tithing plural?








Keep thinking..Hezekiah had a latter day innovation Moses and Aaron couldn't think of



See comedy










What about Cain and Abel? Who taught them about offering?

What about Abraham, God asked for the son he Abraham loved

What about Noah, God asked him to take clean animals in sevens, male and female and unclean in pair (two only) male and female...you think God didn't knw noah who He(God) described as a perfect and just man would wanna offer him a CLEAN animal?

What about Jacob, etc

These men had faith! They knew what they should do. Abel for instant, who thought him to offer the best?




Abraham's tithe...was it farm produce?



Why then don't you free willingly give your tithes? If it were to be free willed, why then did he say they rob him? It must have BEEN a MUST for God to say folks rob him of it, by not bringing it, no?

You see how you shoot yourself in the foot?



When folks ministered to Jesus with their substance after he taught and healed,

1. Is that not an offering? abi na collection? ok, what was the purpose those folks gave JESUS their substances (money, food, perfume,yam, gucci shoes, ray ban glasses etc)?
2. Were the monies given to any suffering folks in any place?(now i am not saying it is wrong to give to the poor) I thought Jesus had a treasurer who kept the monies n all?

what has the way of men befor christ coming have to do with us Gentiles and the way Yahweh relates with us ?

Are you saying that our African forefathers did not make all kinds of sacrifices and give gifts ?

Why did they not attract Yahweh since giving of gifts is so important to getting Yahwehs fevours ?

You are drunk!

Gombs:
3. Mal 3 was written not to the levitical priests or Mosaic tithe laws, why?
Because it was written for a time to come, it talks of a later time or a messenger and messiah to come. It was written to scoffers who made fun about the coming of the messiah. Malachi was told to Look, to SEE with his Spirit eye...God said to him "Behold"

Now i know you must be on Jamaican vegetable.

Can you please tell me why there was a need for the messenger of the convanat if Malachi was not writen for the levitical priest hood ?

Smh.

See lies that a pastor is capable of telling!

The truth is that Levitical priest failed in their responsibilities, hence, the message to them, that a priest that will do the work properly and better will be sent.

Am really sick and vexed for the lies am reading here