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Kay 17: Simply to produce an effect! Petrol in your tank will not remain there in infinity while it pushes your car, hot volcanic larva doesn't remain the same to turn into rock. Causality is only possible with change.

Kay 17: You still don't see the obvious!

God's Mind as a house must be built by somebody, right?!

Redlyn: Complex so must have been created by another complex entity. However this last one is so complex he doesnt need to have been created. The way the religious reason. Just making stuff up as they go along.

Kay 17: ^^
Truthlight, you are seriously confused along with the OP. Because you don't drag faith into debates, and you don't use special pleadings! If you assert God exists, simply prove so. The Op attempted to prove the existence of God through the intricacy and beauty of the Universe, yet he impliedly suggested that the universe is a reflection of God's mind. Automatically, it begshe question, who created God's Mind.

NOW all of a sudden, God is incomprehensible, then why claim he iis the uncaused cause? Why claim he is good? Why calim he isn't the Devil if he is soo incomprehensible?!

Kay 17: What do you have to say to specifically address the issue of God's mind? I'm waiting.

RikoduoSennin: [b][/b]
Trinity relate Questions:

1)Does the Father and Son have different personalities? YES, Matt 3:16,17- while Jesus was baptised here on earth a voice was heared from heaven, so they are too individaul. A number of vision recorded in the bible show the son of man stand before, at the right hand, and sitting at the right hand of the Father.

2)Does the Son have his own will different to that of the Father? YES, While Jesus was praying and his sweat was like the drop of blood- Matt 26:39,42,44- Jesus said,"O my father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from me; Nevertheless, not as I WILL, but as YOU WILL. John 5:30-" I do not seek my own will but the will of the Father who sent me." John 5:20-"the father shows the Son what he does"-two individuals have to be there.

3)If God is believed by many to be all knowing, Is Father, the Son and the Holy spirit all knowing? NO, Mark 13:32-" But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in the heaven nor the SON, BUT ONLY THE FATHER".

4)If Monotheism is believe in one God, how is can we explain three GOD(father, Son and holy spirit) as being ONE when they each different personality and location? The word used to describe the 'oneness' of the Father, Son and holy spirit is still the word used to describe the 'oneness' between a man and a woman, so their meaning is still the same (same word translated one in ENGLISH).

5)Since Jesus is the Faithful and True witness, What did he Say about his relationship with his Father?

a) He called the one in heaven Father, why? Why not use another term like Partner, Mate etc to describe their relation.
b)John 14:28-"the father is greater than I am"
c)He called him his God, why would he do that? John 20:17, Rev 3:12,14

6) What did the apostles who grew up with Jesus think about his relationship with the Father?

a) Paul said," the Head of Christ is GOD just as the head of Woman is Man"- 1 cor 11:3- What role does a man play in a marriage? See the other comparison like Christ and the Congregation.

b) Hebrew 5: 7,8-"....and was heard because of his GODLY FEAR. Though he was a SON he LEARNED OBEDIENCE...." Jesus had godly fear for the Father just like us and he was obedient to him till the end.

c) John said," No one has seen God AT ANY TIME"- he saw Jesus, so who was he talking about,I believe the one he worship.

d)James Said of the God he worship, "...for God cannot be tempted by evil....", that Jesus was tempted is a fact non can disprove-Matt 4:1-11, Luke 4:2-13, You notice that Satan did not treat Jesus the way the demons did (Not like he address the Father in the case of Job), he did not treat him as his superior, notice how Jesus answered-he did not curse satan, neither abuse him nor remind him of being superior but he mentioned that worship should go to WHO? HIMSELF? Or the FATHER!


The fact is Jesus is a MIGHTY GOD but he did not want us to pray to him nor do we pray to him. Yes he is the Son of God- so what Adam was God's son the same way too- Luke 3:38, the difference is the word "Begotten, First born". The angels are Sons of God too. I really don't understand how someone who was SENT and does ALL THECOMMAND is equal to the Sender.

As par the Holy Spirit- Jesus was anionted with the holy spirit, does that mean another God was possessing Jesus the whole time. How is it that 120, then later thousands were possessed by one entity-The holy Spirit when common Sense tells us that one or more demon can possess one person at a time.

DO YOU KNOW THE FIRST TiME PEOPLE THOUGHT JESUS WAS EQUAL WITH GOD IS IN THE BIBLE AND HAD JESUS EXPLAIN HE WAS EQUAL HE WOULD HAVE BEEN STONED TO DEATH BEFORE HIS TIME. (READ John 5:16-20)

Bidam: You try..Did you consider Genesis account? In the beginning God created....... so here too the beginning was before God abi? You no get case jare.

Bidam: If God created us in His image and likeness,while should Jesus have seven horns and seven eyes Does it make sense to you also using your own logic? You should also be careful quoting revelations which is always symbolic and metaphorical.Scripture has already established that all heaven is the throne of God and the Earth is His footstool.
Or in Psalms 110:1 "Jehovah said unto my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I put thine enemies as footstool of thy feet".

Isaiah said God saw and was shocked there was no man to intervene;so His own arm worked salvation for Him and His OWN righteousness sustained Him.(Is 59:16) The only person to redeem Mankind is God Himself.

Bidam: Christ was concealed in the OT and revealed in the NT. He is the visible image of God for no ONE has seen and can see God. It is clear and evident in scripture that Jesus and the Father are ONE, THEY ARE NOT SEPARATE ENTITIES but distinct personalities and that is why Jesus is called God the Son

The word Father in relation to God doesn't mean father the way one is related to a human father( that is human logic and that was why i told you to let God do the reasoning on this one because the foolishness of God is wiser than men,So if you take it i insulted you sorry it is the scriptures not me. ). or in the sense of someone who is "greater" or "older"( i can see how you are trying too hard to build an erroneous doctrine on exaltation, na Jw style be that.. ). God is not "older" than Jesus Christ( I double dare you to show me a single verse of scripture that says God is older than Jesus Christ).

Jesus is ETERNAL, as God the Father is ETERNAL,rather,the word FATHER refers to God's being the SOURCE from which Jesus was sent.

Bidam: God is not "older" than Jesus Christ( I double dare you to show me a single verse of scripture that says God is older than Jesus Christ).

truthislight: If you cannot fully appreciate/comprehend the physical you can see in nature and understand that the intelligence in nature cannot come by chance, why will you be able to comprehend the source of the unseen spiritual(none physical) intelligence that is the source of man ?

Charity they say begins at home.

Kay 17: The intelligent mind of God itself, can be said to be a Marvel, a marvel that preconceived and reflects the Universe! Would you now shoot yourself in the foot by claiming such marvellous Mind appeared out of nowhere?! Or has been existing since eternity and yet you see a small simple dot, you claim its intelligent design!

Zikkyy: Bad belle! you don't like igbaladun and you don't want others to celebrate you see ya self

okeyxyz:

Despite the sarcasm & ridicule, the content of your text still remains valid truth.

Let him who has wisdom read and Understand:

25As He says also in Hosea,
“I WILL CALL THOSE WHO WERE NOT MY PEOPLE, ‘MY PEOPLE,’
AND HER WHO WAS NOT BELOVED, ‘BELOVED.’”

26“AND IT SHALL BE THAT IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SAID TO THEM, ‘YOU ARE NOT MY PEOPLE,’
THERE THEY SHALL BE CALLED SONS OF THE LIVING GOD(Romans 9:25-26).”

In other words; In the things where you used to feel guilty and sinful for doing what comes naturally to you, hence you shall glorify God for doing the same things. GBAM!!!

Kay 17: @truthislight

Can an intelligent being such as a man be uncaused?

What is the scientific proof for uncaused?

arsenalwenger: The word of God is not dynamic or subject to changes when the light gets brighter. We are to increase in the knowledge of the word of God and not switching beliefs from one form to another.

Christains have a traditional belief system based on the word of God, among which is the trinity. The trinity will not make sense to a Jw as long as the Holy spirit is regarded as a non-living thing by JW. The doctrine will not make sense as long as the son is regarded as angel michael by JW, all in a cunning attempt to 'debunk' trinity at all cost (as against the bibble teaching).

So you are yet to fully understand how your organization operate.

Yooguyz: how would you feel, if the new current watchtower teaching says hell is real?

Kay 17: Why can we say God is uncaused and a pen isn't or the multiverse?

Kay 17: The problems of the above:

1. The limitation of language. As long as you keep using the pair "Creator and Creation" , cosomological problems will remain elusive. Such terms have its own baggage with unnecessary assumptions which further burden and deny clarity. Generally, cosmology necessitates causes, yet the word Creator by its natural meaning negates the need for a cause, that if used for any phenomenon such a chair, our mind suddenly cease to make further inquiries about the chair.

Just as the mere use of Creator is same with Creation, creation is naturally tied to creator, it readily appeals, yet it is still shallow thinking.

2. You have not still proven the Being of God, rather you mistake Being for consequences. You are not talking about God, rather about the complex and beauty of nature/universe. You are talking about Nature, not God. Since you have not led evidence as to God's Being, then we cannot intelligibly know his actions or deeds!

3. I'm sure you believe God is the single and only exception that everything is designed. The undesigned God.

Mintayo: Nice one. The blood of Jesus covered all. We have been given authority,the day has been sanctified.

FOLYKAZE: like your name implies, truth is light. When there is light, I cant call it darkness unless I have eye problem. If there is anything you want to say, do it....since i can reason, I will know if it make sense or not

italo: 2 Cor 1:5, 6 For just as the sufferings of Christ are abundant for us, so also our consolation is abundant through Christ. 6 If we are being afflicted, it is for your consolation and SALVATION.

italo: ^^^

Col 1:24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,

Try harder!

italo:

Col 1:24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,

Christ's priesthood is mediatory. Anyone who shares in it shares in mediation.

Praying to God for a man is mediation between God and man.

Another LIE!

Show me where the Catholic Church says "God will save" and not "God can save."

And you didn't know it until I showed you...and it took you ages to acknowledge it. At some point you were even saying I was misinterpreting Rom 2.

I never said "men redeem men." And you haven't shown me where I said that.

The Holy Spirit says men suffer for the salvation of men.

...And any co-worker with God's work is a co-redeemer, since God's work on earth is redemption.

Col 1:24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,

Direct your questions to St. Paul and the Holy Spirit.

Praying to God on man's behalf and suffering for his salvation by God is mediation.


You claimed to be infallible.

You claimed to be always right when you interprete scripture or teach on matters of faith and morals.

You were wrong when you taught about the Bible.

It means you lied...as is your custom.

And while you taught wrong, you made us believe you were certain of what you were saying since you were being guided by the Holy Spirit...as you're doing now.

You just proved that you're just one of those who teach false doctrine and say it's the Holy Spirit.

Remember what happens to those who sin against the Holy Spirit.

hisxlency: Adsonstone, since man cannot deny sin just the way the fishes In the water cannot deny water, on that note wat make's you think dat any man will go to heaven since noting unclean can go into the kingdom of God. Now this is the place where purgatory plays its role of purging people of their venial sin. Since noting unclean can enter the kingdom of God. Now wat is venial sin venial sin, is the sin that dis pleases God but does not kill the soul while mortal sin is the sin that does not only dis pleases God but also kill the soul while original sin is the sin that we inherited from adam and eve, now apart from that those little baby dat was killed thru abortion where do you think they go to? Heaven? Of course not because they have original sin with them, hell off course dat will be too wicked because they were not given the opportunity to live so they end up in a place the holy roman catholic church calls the limbo (protestants bring your heads down and learn)

FOLYKAZE: being waiting for him to prove to me the comforter jesus referred to is paul and not holy spirit. I am thinking he ran away just like truthislight

thehomer: Who would you say is the fictional writer?



Sorry but it looks like you're giving a dog a bad name to hang it. What he has shown us doesn't reflect the opposite. Who was responsible in the examples I presented? You didn't answer but instead ignored it to talk about the book of revelation. Simply turning around and blaming the devil for everything in the end would be like turning around and blaming everything in the end on Harry Potter as being the real bad guy in the book series. Simply accusing someone of a crime doesn't make them guilty. Why not actually take a look at the accusations and try to assess where the guild lies? That was why I listed examples for you. Why don't you address them and if you like, present the devil doing worse things than commanding genocides and testing people by asking them to kill their children.



No, the writer doesn't portray the devil like that. The writer says what I pointed out to you that Yahweh did. You can help by saying what the devil has actually done. Not what you think he will do or what someone accused him of doing but what he actually did.

advocate666: Anyway reyginus, you can never be a good atheist until you accept Satan in your life.

aManFromMars: What truth were you in search of? How did you come to the realization that you had been living a lie? How could that which you once held dearly lose its value to you?


I'm sure what you did was lose focus on Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, not theirs but ours. You lost focus and didn't take heed to Paul's admonishment to us in Hebrews 12:1-2

“Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith, Who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.”



You summarize too quickly my dear. In the Book of Genesis, the Lord gave man dominion over all his created things. Man even had the privilege of naming the animals. Did that make man God? Was it Adam that created those animals?

Science is a means of observation of that which has been created by God. Man is able to create because God has imbued in us his creative mind, a mind for excellence and wisdom. Science should lead you the creator, not away from him.


God has nothing to prove to you dear. He owes you no such obligation. Deal with that.



phew!!! almost got re-converted.

lomomike: This is how they start and next thing we know is devil takes total control of their lives and gradually causes them to slip from their spiritual stronghold next thing we hear they get frustrated with everything about life and die like one frustrated bush fowl.