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philfearon: John3:17 "for God did not send His Son into the World to condemn the World, but that the World might Through Him be Saved
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Joagbaje: And by that
satan became higher than Micheal in authority
because of the adamic authority satan possessed.

philfearon: Remember,God can harden someone's heart not to accept advice or good counselling after an exhaustive counselling on the person,bringing his downfall......
You have rèfused to accept the Bare truth.... QUOTING A Bit OF MY post to suit you will do you no good....Anybody with a good reasoning,will be laughing at your Sheer lack of acknowledgement
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Your heart is hardened,but you dont know....And learn to quote the scripture completely,not hapharzardly,thats why you alwaz end up misunderstanding the Scripture!

philfearon: Michael dared not bring a reviling accusation against the devil,but Jesus did when he called him the "father of all lies"

philfearon: Now lets go to:
john1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and The Word was with God,AND THE WORD WAS GOD[Rev19:13........His name is called THE WORD OF GOD]...

TroGunn: Contrary to your human thinking, the Bible shows Christ plays the role of leader of angels - an Archangel's role. Only Michael plays same Archangels role.

2Thess 1:7 - "and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels.

Rev12:7-9 - "Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven".




In Daniel 10:13, "princes" is the correct word, not "angel". The Hebrew word for "princes" used in Daniel 10:13 is "haś·śā·rîm" (meaning "leaders" of the nations, peoples) and it appears 33 times in the Bible, and it does not equate "angel". See all 33 occurences here - http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/hassarim_8269.htm

Now the Hebrew word for "angel" is ū·mal·’aḵ ( meaning messenger) and it appears 16 times, all occurences here - http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/umalach_4397.htm

Clearly any translation that uses "chief angels" in Dan 10:13 is inaccurate.

Biblically, one Archangel is mentioned and it's Michael, "the Archangel" (Jude 9). And Jesus with Archangel's voice.




Yes, Jesus existed from the beginning, beginning of creation - meaning Christ has a beginning. God has no beginning, the only Being that has no beginning.

Christ is the "firstborn of all creation", if you know what "firstborn" means. "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation" - Col 1:15

Christ is the "beginning of the creation" by God - And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God - Rev 3:14

Has there ever been a time Christ was equal to God? Let's see from the Bible.

Christ pre-coming to Earth, in heaven : Christ still surbordinate, obeys his Father's instruction to sit at his right hand.

Psalms 110:1 "Jehovah said unto my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I put thine enemies as footstool of thy feet".
Jesus himself confirmed that this scripture, written by David was about him - Matt 22:42-46. Also confirms Christ is a different person to God.

Christ on Earth : Clearly lower than God. Obeys him, prays to him, does nothing unless God authorises. Pointed says God, his Father is greater. Shows us excellent example of humility and obedience to God.

John 14:28 - " “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."

Christ after Earth, in heaven : After returning too heaven, Jesus position was even higher than before he came to earth. ( Also showing that he was below God before coming to earth).

Phillipians 2:9 - "Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name".

Still this most exalted position was below God. He continued surbodinate to God.

1 Cor 15: 25-28: For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he “has put everything under his feet.”c Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

Couldn't be clearer - describes future event, when death will be destroyed.

Returns to God right till time is given by God to subdue enemies, as seen by Stephen in a vision. Also firms up that God and Christ are two distinct persons.

Acts 7:55-56 - “But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and said, 'Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!'.”




In the bible, angels are freely called sons of God. Not only Job. Job's writing are inspired by God and accurate - terrible you discount parts of the Bible just because it doesn't agree with your man-made farce of a doctrine called Trinity. See examples there, all references to angelic beings, with the Hebrew word used for "sons of God".

GENESIS 6:1,2 - Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

( These "sons o God" are angels who rebelled and committed fornication, as Jude confirmed.
JUDE 6 - "Remember too the angels, how some of them were not content to keep the dominion given to them but abandoned their proper home; and God has reserved them for judgement on the great Day, bound beneath the darkness in everlasting chains. 7 Remember Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbouring towns; like the angels, they committed fornication and followed unnatural lusts; and they paid the penalty in eternal fire, an example for all to see". (NEB) )

DEUTERONOMY 32:8 When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of men, he fixed the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God [beney 'elohim]. (RSV)

JOB 1:6 - "Now there was a day when the sons of God [beney ha'elohim] came to present themselves before the Lord and Satan also came among them". (NKJV)

JOB 2:1 - "Again there was a day when the sons of God [beney ha'elohim] came to present themselves before the Lord and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord". (NKJV)

JOB 38:4 - "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. 5 Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? 6 To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, 7 when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God [beney 'elohim] shouted for joy?" (NKJV)

PSALM 29:1 - "O give the Lord you sons of God [beney 'elim], give the Lord glory and power; 2 give the Lord the glory of his name. Adore the Lord in his holy court". (The Psalms: A New Translation)

PSALM 89:5 - "The heavens proclaim your wonders, O Lord; the assembly of your holy ones proclaims your truth. 6 For who in the skies can compare with the Lord or who is like the Lord among the sons of God [beney 'elim]"? (The Psalms: A New Translation)




Like seriously? Man created higher than angels? If man was created higher than angels, why would Christ being a perfect man on earth be described as being lower than angels? Note that Christ was not tainted by Adamic sin.

Heb2:9 - "But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone".

I guess anything goes just to support the Trinity rubbish.

And what's this rubbish about Satan being ousted from Heaven before Man was created. You have conveniently forgotten that in Job's time Satan could access Heaven. Have you also forgotten that the ousting is recorded in Revelation, which is all about "what must soon take place".

Rev 1:1 - "The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John"

Here's the more context of the ousting of Satan by Michael:

Rev 12:7-10 - "Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.

Are you (laughably) claiming that Satan was already leading "the whole world astray" and accusing "our brothers and sisters" before they were even created?

I know it's the Trinity that is confusing you about Christ serving as the 2nd highest person in the universe, and leading all God's messengers as Archangel. Dude, do yourself a favour, for your own sake do a thorough research on the origin of Trinity. Start by goggling it. Then return to the Bible and read it without bias. That's all I can say.

Emusan: Very illogical;


Re-read the chapter again you will notice Paul's message was before Jesus as human...verse 6 clearified this with this phrase ".......And again, when he has bringeth the firstborn into the world...." so the statement came before Jesus came into the world.


Infact He is not even a student but the Dean.

Shalom!

Emusan: Forget about this your jumbo-Jumbo who is Isaiah said his coming and who fulfuilled the promise?

Isaiah didn't say prophet, God's messenger, Angel he simply says "...our GOD"

What you people failed to understand is how to differenciate between Jesus Earthly message and His Divinity.

Clear that verse in Isaiah before you comment again.

Shalom!

Emusan:
If not because you people lack basic English
....what this chapter is saying is totally against Jesus as an Angel.

Emusan:
[color=blue]For unto which of the angels said HE at any time, Thou art my Son(capital letter 'S'), this day have I begotten thee? (big question mark '?'), I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son(Capital letter 'S') KJV

"For to which of the angels did God EVER say, "you are my Son, today I have become your Father"? or again I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?"..ESV & NIV

"For to which of the angels did God EVER say, you are My Son, today I have begotten you[established you in an official Sonship relation, with kindly dignity]? And again, I will be to Him a Father, and He will be to Me a Son?" AMP

At the end of each sentences a question mark was introduced to make the intention of the writer known,
God was asking a question about Sonship which He has never exalted anyone to including angels

Verse 6 gave answer to the question of verse 5 Heb 6 "And again, when HE bringeth in the firstborn into the world, He saith, And let all the angels of God worship him" KJV&ESV&AMP

"And again, when God brings his
firstborn into the world, He says, "Let all God's angels worship him." NIV.

Shalom!

truthislight: Lol.

Marriage people do whoremonger, single people nko ? Ok, single also do abi ?

Is premarritle sex the christian way ?

should unmarried people engage in sexual activity ?

What is the married bed ?

Do unmarried people have a married bed(sex) ?

what is the sex bed for unmarried people called

Is the unmarried bed (sex bed) for unmarried people recognised in the bible ?

Who sets the standard for what christians should do ?

Should we be doing what is not 'lawful' ?

My friend Goshen, should 'christians' engage in premarital sex ?


how then can the force of God's word act and protect its followers if they refuses to do only what is lawful ?

Can a young man/woman that abstained from sex befor marriage contract venereal disease let alone HIV ?

Can the wisdom of men deliver/protect like that of God ?

pastormustwacc: 12:7b
Who is Michael?

"And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven." (Rev. 12:7,

Michael is not mentioned often in the Bible but, by comparing texts, we can learn his more common identity. We begin with the little book of Jude:

"Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst [dared] not bring against him a railing [slanderous, 1306a2] accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee." (Jude 9). Jude's purpose in this verse is to condemn those who teach grace as license jude04 and who criticize authority jude08. He takes the dispute with the devil as an example, revealing other information that is of particular interest to us. So Michael is also the archangel.

The prefix "arch-" means to be "first" or "reigning over." This agrees with verse 7 where Michael is commander of the angels re1207. (Also 1pe0321f)

Next let's look at a verse describing the archangel. "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout [command], with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:" (1 Thess. 4:16)
So the archangel, whom we saw in Jude as also Michael, calls the dead to life.


Only one person has been given that authority to do resurrection :

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." (Matt. 5:25-29)

"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:" (John 11:25)
"I [Jesus] am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell [the grave] and of death." (Rev. 1:18)

[b]In other words, only Jesus Christ will call the dead, so he is the archangel in 1st Thessalonians 4:16, 17

In Joshua 5:15, Christ identifies Himself as the captain of the Lord's host. He was the captain of the angels of heaven. They are the Lord's army (Rev. 19:14). Furthermore, He would not have accepted Joshua's worship if He had been an ordinary angel (see Joshua 5). Thus again He is the archangel, Michael.

The word for angel in Greek and Hebrew also means messenger. So Christ, the messenger of the covenant in Mal. 3, is also the angel of the covenant. We see Him as an angel in Rev. 10:1.

Joagbaje: If micheal became Jesus by promotion , why would he be demoted to become micheal again?

Joagbaje:
Arch only refers to seniority. Angel is still an angel.

Joagbaje: And by that
satan became higher than Micheal in authority
because of the adamic authority satan possessed.

Joagbaje: Christ is not an arch angel. He never played role of archangel. arch angels are among the several hierchy of angels in heaven . They are still angels. And whatever their ranks and authority and dominion ,Jesus created them all.

Colossians 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers:all things were created by him, and for him:




Archangels are the same as chief angels,of whom Micheal is among.

Daniel 10:14. MESSAGE TRANSLATION
and was delayed for a good three weeks. But then Michael, one of the chief angel–princes, intervened to help me . . .

Micheal is only one of the arch angels . He has equals Jesus has no equal



Jesus was not a creation. He existed with the father from beginning ,he created the arch angels. Jesus being begotten is different from creation. Jesus was only begotten when he became a man. He wasnt begotten in heaven.

Daniel 12:1
“At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble,



That's in his earthly ministry. But in heaven he was equal with God.



In the translation you quoted above Rulers and authorities you quoted refers to angelic hierarchy if whom arch angel office is one of them.



God never call angel his son. That's job understanding.

Hebrews 1:5
For God never said to any angel, "You are my Son, and today I have given you the honor that goes with that name." But God said it about Jesus. Another time he said, "I am his Father and he is my Son." And still another time-- when his firstborn Son came to earth-- God said, "Let all the angels of God worship him."



Thanks for the complement and honor, but he is none of them



Micheal ousted satan in heaven of course but that was before man was created. But man was created higher than all angels . Man was next to God. When satan deceived man. He took over the adamic authority. And by that satan became higher than Micheal in authority because of the adamic authority satan possessed. Adam delivered the authority to him.

Luke 4:6
And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them:for that is delivered unto me . . .


Who delivered it to him? Adam



Arch only refers to seniority. Angel is still an angel

Daniel 10:14. MESSAGE TRANSLATION
and was delayed for a good three weeks. But then Michael, one of the chief angel–princes, intervened to help me . . .




Because micheal is the angel assigned to the nation of isreal and the people of God. He will sound the alarm before christ .there will be trumpet sound too of other angels. Does that make Jesus a trumpet?

1 Thessalonians 4:16 MESSAGE TRANSLATION
Because the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a word of authority, with the voice of the chief angel, with the sound of a horn (TRUMPET). .

You can see what I was telling you, "CHIEF ANGEL" is used here. Archangel is the same as chief or senior angel. Micheal is only one of the many chief angels whom Jesus created.

The reason micheal would be required to call the summon is because he is the angel assigned to the nation of isreal as defender.

Daniel 12:1
"At that time Michael, the mighty angelic prince who stands guard over your nation, will stand up and fight for you in heaven against satanic forces, and there will be a time of anguish for the Jews greater than any previous suffering in Jewish history. And yet every one of your people whose names are written in the Book will endure it.


If micheal became Jesus by promotion , why would he be demoted to become micheal again?

Joagbaje:
But man was created higher than all angels . Man was next to God.

Joagbaje: Micheal ousted satan in heaven of course but that was before man was created.

Joagbaje: God never call angel his son. That's job understanding.

Goshen360: First, @ God2man, read that verse from AS MANY AS POSSIBLE translations that exist, it's never applicable to the singles, it's 'husband and wife' being address, hence the reference to MARRIAGE. Marriage is the only institution that joins a man and a woman and they BECOME husband and wife.

2. Look up the word meaning for whoremonger from a concordance AS USED in that verse and read whatever meaning you have back into the text, it will help.

3. I agree, a single person can be a whoremonger but it also applies to a married. The whoremonger being referred to here is ONE IN MARRIAGE. The context says MARRIAGE is honourable, how do we take the context of marriage mentioned here and then turn around and say it applies to unmarried? You destroy the whole context!!! So, we understand the whoremonger being referred is one in MARRIAGE.

Find out, by doing what I said if it is true or not.

Uyi Iredia: If we join hands we could convince him otherwise.

HumbledbYGrace: Uyi....

philfearon: I will now leave you to correct yourself,thats why i colored and bolded ur statements.............

philfearon: If am not mistaken,Your point is that:
1)Jesus is one of the Chief Prince's and an Archangel too..
2)That Jesus is ArchAngel Michael before his incarnation on earth and then after his ascension into Heaven..
3)That "WITH" means "IN"......
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Okay,suppose i believe the number1 point,how about the number2? Now check this
REVELATION22vs16:"I,Jesus have sent my angel to testify to you these things in the churches..I am the Root and the Offspring of David,The Bright and Morning Star"
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Revelation 12vs7:And War broke out in Heaven:Michael and his Angels fought with the dragon;and the dragon and his angels fought back
Now,what am i saying here? John stayed with Jesus throughout His earthly Ministry,infact,he is the "Beloved" ,that Jesus even had to handover His Mother to him.....
Now tell me,how could John see Jesus and not recognise Jesus? How could he see his master and call him Michael? Is like you staying with ur mum for years,and then you travel,and when you come back,you mistake your Mum for your little sister.....Now why would John say "Michael" and his angels?.....This is because,not every angel was created to fight,they all have their own specific roles.,and [/color]Michael who is the chief warrior angel [/color]has his legions who fights with him in every war....And if you keep reading Revelation,you will hear John say,another mighty angel,telling u that there are angels who are also powerful too,and have their own legion which takes order from them...for example:
Revelation18vs1: "After these things, i saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven,having great authority,and the earth was illuminated with his glory..
Verse2:"and he cried mightily with a loud voice saying....".(search 4 angel Jophiel)
Now can an ordinary angel have such great authority? And doesnt it occur to u that these angel has his own legions?
Verse21:"Then a mighty angel........"
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Okay lets get to chapter 20..
REVELATION20vs1:"then i saw an angel coming down from heaven,having the key to the bottomless pit,and a great chain in his hand..
2:he laid hold of the dragon,that serpent of old,who is the devil and Satan,and bound him for a thousand years..
3:and he cast him into the bottomless pit,and shut him up,and set a seal on him,so that he should decieve the nations no more till the thousand years were finished.But after these things,he must be released for a little while"..
Now,can any other other angel do this except a chief angel,just like Satan was previously?
My brother,your argument holds no ground.. Michael is the warrior angel, just like Gabriel is the Chief Messenger of God..Unless there is War,You wont see Michael in the Picture.. The whole time that Michael was mentioned in the bible,he was always fighting,Thats his Duty!..
Gabriel too only comes in the Picture only When there is a Message to Deliver....For instance,When the Greatest Message of all time was to be delivered(tHE MESSAGE OF THE CONCEPTION AND BIRTH OF CHRIST),God sent his Chief Messenger,Gabriel,...
Luke1vs26:Now in the sixth month,the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth".
Now,about Who Gabriel is:
"Luke1vs19:And the angel said to him(Zachariah in this case) "i am Gabriel,who stands in the Presence of God,and was sent to speak to you and bring you these glad tidings"....
Now can Ordinary angel stand in the presence of God,the answer is "No",and you can see that Michael is not the Only angel with the Authority to stand in the presence of God...There are Others,of which Gabriel is one........
My brother,the bible is really simple to understand...
Like Humans,angels have the specific roles which they play....Its really a simple thing to comprehend....
War==>Michael appears..No war,no Michael
Message==>Gabriel Appears..No message,no Gabriel
Revelation also revealed the duties of other angels....Is this really hard to understand?
If after reading this,you still continue i

Joagbaje: You tell me , but the angel is not Jesus .

truthislight: @ Joagbaje


who is the strong angel ? (the angel standing in sea earth)

"And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon." (Revelation 5:2-3).

"And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof." (Revelation 5:5).
.......................
^
so, from that ^, we know it is only Jesus that can/open the scrolls/seven seals.

"And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth," (Revelation 10:1-2).

"And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices." (Revelation 10:3).

"And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth." (Revelation 10:8 ).
..................

So, this strong angel standing on the sea and on the earth is having the scroll 'opened' and we know who was the only one that can open the scroll.

"And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof." (Revelation 5:5).

^^^ = Jesus. QED.

ogwumgbe: Well, pastor; your Bible exploration is quite interesting. However, I would like to correct you concerning what you said on Revelation 10;1. The description of that angel does not mean that He's Jesus Christ. Instead, he could represent a very powerful angel. Remember that in the last days, angels will play very big role toward bringing the wrath of God. In the scripture, Jesus Christ is not shown in a proxy, He is revealed with clarity. In other words that passage does not refer to Jesus Christ, rather it refers to an angel. Bible says that there's even an angel in charge of fire: (Revelation 14;18) Is that angel Jesus Christ also?

truthislight: @ Obediah

still on that strong 'angel'/who he is.



"And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon." (Revelation 5:2-3).

"And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof." (Revelation 5:5).
.......................
^
so, from that ^, we know it is only Jesus that can/open the scrolls/seven seals.

"And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth," (Revelation 10:1-2).

"And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices." (Revelation 10:3).

"And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth." (Revelation 10:8 ).
..................

So, this strong angel standing on the sea and on the earth is having the scroll 'opened' and we know who was the only one that can open the scroll.

"And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof." (Revelation 5:5).

^^^ = Jesus. QED.

Joagbaje: @ Obediah777

The bible didn't say such thing as you wrote here dude . Where did you get your lion of Judah stuff from. There's a curse on those who add to scripture.

obadiah777: of course this is for the spiritually discerned. the direct calling of Jesus an angel is in the book of revelation, for those who say christ is not an angel

REVELATION 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,

3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.

obadiah777: of course this is for the spiritually discerned. the direct calling of Jesus an angel is in the book of revelation, for those who say christ is not an angel

REVELATION 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,

3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.

obadiah777: i assume oga Jo has not read that part of the bible yet. like his post so he can come back to read your input

Joagbaje: The bible didn't say such thing as you wrote here dude . Where did you get your lion of Judah stuff from. There's a curse on those who add to scripture.