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aManFromMars: Troll and Ishilove, find a room joor

Anyways, Christians can comment here.. It's inevitable.. why the thread is named non-christian chatbox baffles me though..

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meaning that christians doctrine/debates Should not be done/discussed here. Simple!

Gombs: Shey you can't answer who's speaking in Mal 3? I referenced Mal 3 because. Of who was speaking...and I knw it wasn't malachi quoting the law, nor moses, nor the law of moses nor you.

From That, i deduced that you are saying that the bible was not inspired by God that we have to determine the writers befor concluding on the message.

deluckiest: Hey Gombs, please take it easy on Goshen. If you know the scripture so well why don't you correct him like others have been doing with scriptures back up.

Peace!

Sharrap ! Deceit !

striktlymi: No wonder my 'system' doesn't agree with it....I can't even spell the damn thing correctly.

lol. @ "Bear". Guy, how you been take wan drink am naw ? No wonder !

You have been doing the impossible ? The thing fit even drink you sef.

texanomaly: Hmmmmm...I'd like to see that.

aManFromMars: Had to drop off a friend on my way to the market.

Take it ^ to the romance section.

striktlymi: @ Obi Alfa

So there is an original

Thought Advocate666 was the real deal!

Hehehe

catch ya !

How many

Douay-Rheims Version /
Malachi /
Chapter 3
Malachi, 3

1.
Behold I send my angel and he shall prepare the way before my face. And presently the Lord, whom you seek, and the angel of the testament, whom you desire, shall come to his temple. Behold he cometh, saith the Lord of hosts.
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If the word Angel = messenger, what are we discussing here again ?

John is an angel/messenger. QED.

What is the argument ?

Hehehe.

"word of my mouth shearing glory with me" as though it is a 'person' !

Hehehe, "word of my mouth" will soon collect my wife. Lol.

That ^ means Jesus never existed as a person befor coming to earth.

Hehehe. Lol . Extra terestrial theology. None biblical theology.

So, Jesus was just a concept in heaven ? No, my Jesus was a real person, a spirit person. Smh.

presher: YOU GUYS ARE ARGUING WITH THIS NONE CHRISTIAN LET ME ANSWER HIM" IN THE BEGNING WAS THE WORD" THE WORD WAS GOD EVERYTHING WAS CREATED WITH THE WORD.THE WORD WAS GOD .ANOTHER QUOTATION IS FOR GOD LOVE THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTEN SON FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE WILL HAVE ETERNAL LIVE,YES WE ARE SONS OF GOD BECOS WE BELIEVE IN JESUS.ANY CHRISTIAN DAT IS COMPARING JESUS WITH ANGELS WHICH MEANS MESSENGERS OF GOD IS NOT WORTHY TO BE CALLED A CHRISTIAN,THE MYSTERY OF CHRISTIANITY LIES IN THE TRINITY

Hehehehehe.
You have already answered your confussion up there ^^^.

"In the 'beginning' was the word"

that ^ means that the 'word'(Jesus) has a beginning.

But see the bellow for the father :

1 Timothy 1:17
Amplified Bible (AMP)


Now to the King of "eternity", incorruptible and immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever.
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The father has no beginning o !

"Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God." (Psalm 90:2).

So, your not seeing it is in that John 1:1 is your cup.

Joagbaje: They did.it was life for them

^^

what else do we need to hear ?

He speaks what is not written in the bible. Smh for liars.

BERNIMOORE: no, its not,

how are you doing

Oh! Thank you.

Am doing well.

Well done.

Peace.

1cor 3:23
"In turn, You belong to christ, christ in turn belongs to God"

Mmmmmm !

We belong to christ as christians, in turn christ belong to God

@Benimoor

what do you say ? In what way does christ belong to God ?

Is it different from the way we belong to christ ?

Joagbaje: If I tell people the importance of prayer ,is it a lie. Did God demand prayer in the New Testament? It's our yieldedness knowing its a kingdom principle . God didn't command Christians to pray

But Jesus christ and his apostles prayed and it is recorded for our instruction in the NT.

But why was tithing and their tithing not recorded ?

lahchi: Did you read my post before commenting on it? Did you read the quote of the person I posted the post to? I was just make him see that tithe was not made for christians and even the early christian never took the pattern because they were were not made up of only jews but also the gentiles, so what were you driving at calling me a fraud when am also against the tithe been paid? You have to check and understand the words of the post you want to comment on before commenting on it, okay?

Lol.

guy, go and read that post again o. It was Joagbaje i was replying and not you.

I was asking him to answer your question. Lol.

Emusan: This is how you people misinterprete the Bible, Paul's statement here is as simple as ABC

Sharrap !

Who is the one doing the addition below on red now ?

Emusan: received me as an angel(messenger) of God, even as (the way they received Christ Jesus), not as Jesus as an angel

hypocrites, is christ not a messenger ?


"And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus." (Galatians 4:14).

That ^ is exactly the way that bible verse is, not your intent to twist.

Emusan: Here, Paul was talking about his reception into descipleship as they received him as an angel even the way they received Jesus. WE CAN SAY WITH FAITH because of what Saul- Paul did in the past.

and again you must lie !

What has that scripture to do with what you are saying ? What past there ? Was the place talking about Saul's past violence ?

See the befor and after verses :

"Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first. And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus. Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if it had been possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me." (Galatians 4:13-15).

Does it talk about paul's past ?

This is the way you keep deceiving those that will not read there bible. Smh

Pastor Kun: So you know that Abraham did whatever he wanted with his booty and he wasn't acting based on God's instruction neither was it a religious obligation. So why don't you leave believers to do whatever they like with their income? Why must you lie to them that God demands 10% of their income

^

The best part was :

"what Abraham did was not a religiouse obligation".

Kenny4lyfe: You sound like you've already had your mind made-up as far as this tithing issue is concerned!

Let me bring this to your knowledge!

You're a seed of Abraham right?
An inheritor of the Abrahamic blessing, not so?
Abraham was the father of faith yet, he paid tithe to Melchizedek king of Salem the priest of The Most High - Genesis 14:18-20.

This happened before The Law;

The Law came through Moses yet tithing remained- Deuteronomy 12:11, Malachi 3:10.

Then came Jesus Christ of whom it was spoken before hand that, "...Thou hath priest forever after the order of Melchizedek!"-Psalm 110:4.

This means that the priesthood of Jesus Christ is forever and it's fashioned after the order of Melchizedek; a ministry of which we are partakers by virtue of Christ in us; remember He's the vine and we are the branches. So, Jesus our High Priest still accept tithes, offerings and seeds because it's a function of His office.

Read Hebrew 7:15-16

God bless us all!

Yeah ! The apostles of christ did not know all that ^ .


That is why they did not collect tithe. Smh.

We should not follow their partan again. You are on your own.

lahchi: Why did you neglect 2 Corinthians 9:6-8 "But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. 7 So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver. 8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work." Dis doesn't have any form of tithing attached to it, why?

ah !

bros, you dong finish work.

Tell that awuff man to hear o !

macof: what am saying is that it's not an obligation. God doesn't force or compel people to do things, he gave us free will. And as such when u feel u have enough to offer to the temple of God and spread of the gospel you give as ur heart desires not by force. It was in OT that tithe was by force. Offerings and free service to the church and continuous evangelism is wat tithe represent in true christianity

Thank you my friend.

Tell him o ! He is ever learning but never coming to knowledge.

Christians are not to give under compulsion, tithing is compulsion.

But greedy men like eating from other peoples sweat. Smh.

Joagbaje: Firstly ,tithing was never abolished in the bible , secondly the primary ways the work of ministry was sponsored in he Old Testament was through tithes and offerings . Paul made it clear that similar things should apply in the church .

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

you see your life !

The question was :

lahchi: Show me just a simple scripture that entails a detail of the Early Christians paying tithe ?

but you post something else.

You see why i call you a fraud ?

Are you saying that the early christians and the apostles did not know how the temple work was finance in the OT ?

The OT clearly recorded how the Jews payed their tithes, but the apostles set a different partan for christians that they should give voluntarily, but you twister of the word for selfish reasons said it is tithe that was never asked of early christians.

Keep deceiving yourself.

You better come and show where christians are asked to pay tithe, which was the question that you were asked.

If all christians are to be preachers, who will pay tithe to who ? Dont you know God is wise ?

No wonder you put people in darkness so that you can exploit them.

The command was for all to be disciples and make more disciples.

The Offering is a sacrifice of lips > preaching bringing men to God > fishers of men.

Joagbaje: You're wrong , worshiping God is not complete without giving to God . There are different kinds of offerings , our body, our works , our lips etc but they don't take the place of our substance we give in sacrifice .

continue telling yours, what you want to hear.

Did i say that christians should not give to God ? No.

Christians give but not in the OT way, but this way :

"Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver." (2 Corinthians 9:7).

Yes, since the christian law is written in the heart of a christian and not on tablets :

"Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people." (Jeremiah 31:31-33).

Joagbaje: Tithing is forever . Offerings is forever , prayer is forever,worship is forever because they are kingdom principles. And principles in God are eternal

continue telling yourself what your ears want to hear, i will continue showing to you what the bible says.

macof: pls tell me one or two prophesies in the OT dat was fulfilled in NT with the aid of Bible verses

there many prophesies in the OT that had fulfilment in Jesus christ, in fact, more than thirty.

See, prophesy in OT :

"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." (Micah 5:2).

Fulfilment in NT :

"Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem," (Matthew 2:1).

And another prophesy in OT :

"For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. [/color]They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture." (Psalm 22:16-18).

Fulfillements in NT :

"And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced." (John 19:37).

"Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots." (Luke 23:34).

"And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots." (Matthew 27:35).

And many more.

Without the OT there will be no NT.

The prophesies in the OT led to Jesus christ.

The OT led to the NT.

No OT, No christianity.

The OT scriptures and NT scriptures should be togather, cause, the OT prophesies are fulfilled in the NT.

Peace.

Fhemmmy: ha ha ha . . . So you agree say, fear of madam is the beginning of wisdom, no worry, dem look like tigress but dem no fit bite

Na just you dem dey dunbele for this days o.

You too much.

Fhemmmy: Truthislight, i can see you oh, welcome - Oya show dem women that men are Champs jare

lol.

This women are to fast o. Catch dey fear me. Hehehe.

Joagbaje: God already condemned the use of animal blood. but giving God offering continuesa as an eternal principle . Hope you're ok now

this is what offering for christians is :

"By him therefore let us offer(offering) the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name." (Hebrews 13:15).

> = "Go therefor and make disciples" matt 28:18-20.

Joagbaje: You dont have to insult , Hope you feel better by it?

Is telling a hypocrite that he is a hypocrite an insult/cursing ? No.

It is telling the person who he is so he will no longer live by two standards, saying a different thing and doing a different thing.

Why not say that Jesus was insulting the pherisees ?

I will call a hypocrite a hypocrite also call me one when i turn one.

Tithing is not for christians just as our lips do the offering instead of using animal.

benalvino: then case closed

Hehehe. Lol

see how silly reasoning from trinitarians dey punished you right now ?

Smh for you people.

benalvino: who is Satan... Let me hear ur side now...

Was he an angel yes or no...

Just give me direct answer

Have you seen how foolish the question you have been asking about "where Jesus is called angel" is ?

benalvino: @truthislight... you already said satan was an angel... so you agree yet you are asking me where did the bible call him an angel... double confused standard... lol

are you ok ?

Do you really understand what is happening here so ?



smh

benalvino: @truthislight satan is still called an angel...

"And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in [size=18pt]Hebrew is Abaddon[/size], but in Greek he has the name Apollyon" (Revelation 9:11).

Both the Hebrew and Greek names mean "Destroyer." A very apt name for Satan (Job 26:6; Proverbs 27:20; combined with the fact that Satan once had the power of death, Hebrews 2:14). But notice that this one from the bottomless pit is called an angel.

I have always suspected that you have problem with comprehension, that is why i dont always bother with you.

Which place in the bible calls satan directly angel, and you are busy doing what you will not accept from others ?

Combining scriptures ? Smh.

From reasonable combination of scriptures, we can make sense of what the bible message is.

But problem comes with those that have been blinded and will not search and go precept upon precept on the scriptures.

So, answer the question where does the bible directly calls satan an angel ?

benalvino: tell that to your elders...
see what your awake teach... 2010

The Setting of a Moral Precedent
Originally the one who [size=18pt]became the Devil was a perfect spirit person, one of God’s angels[/size]. (Job 1:6, 7) He made himself the Devil when he became obsessed with a selfish ambition to be worshipped by humans. So he challenged God’s right to rule, even insinuating that God does not deserve to be obeyed. He charged that humans serve God only when bribed with blessings. Satan claimed that under personal hardship all people would “curse” their Creator.—Job 1:8-11; 2:4, 5.
Such accusations from Satan required responses that could not be answered simply by a show of force. In fact, executing the Devil in the garden of Eden would perhaps have suggested to some that the Devil was right. So God, possessing absolute authority, began legal proceedings to settle such issues in the minds of all observers.
In harmony with his principles and perfect justice, Jehovah God indicated that each party would produce witnesses who would give supporting testimony to its side of the controversy. The time allowed has given Adam’s descendants a chance to live and to add their testimony in God’s behalf by choosing to keep integrity to him out of love despite any hardships.


also in revelations they were called angels of the bottomless pit...
so before show me where he was called an angel but not he is not longer an angel abi? lolololololol

truthislight: i sorry for you.

Satan cannot be call an angel because when the bibles was written he was no longer a messenger to Yahweh.

But if he was still a messenger to Yahweh he will be called angel/messenger.

But then, Jesus was, Jesus is a messenger to Yahweh as such he is righly called a Messenger or angle of Yahweh.

But by combining scriptures we can know who satan is and was > an angel.

That the word angel is not use for him now cause he is not serving at such capacity means he was not an angel ? No.

But when it comes to Jesus, trinity will block your brain.

I really pity for you and your lot.

But then, honest hearted person can see the truth, since it is only the truth that can set one free.

May God help such ones.

For this debate, i ask you again, where does the bible calls satan an angel for us to know he was an angel without combining scriptures ?

benalvino: sorry dude your watchtower teach he is an angel so why arguing with the watchtower now? I dont hate it... am pointing out the lies... and he will look stupid because he knows satan is an angel because it is what his watch tower is teaching... so why ask me questions on something you already know or believe?

i sorry for you.

Satan cannot be call an angel because when the bibles was written he was no longer a messenger to Yahweh.

But if he was still a messenger to Yahweh he will be called angel/messenger.

But then, Jesus was, Jesus is a messenger to Yahweh as such he is righly called a Messenger or angle of Yahweh.

But by combining scriptures we can know who satan is and was > an angel.

That the word angel is not use for him now cause he is not serving at such capacity means he was not an angel ? No.

But when it comes to Jesus, trinity will block your brain.

I really pity for you and your lot.

But then, honest hearted person can see the truth, since it is only the truth that can set one free.

May God help such ones.

For this debate, i ask you again, where does the bible calls satan an angel for us to know he was an angel without combining scriptures ?