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well, it is true that what he is and what the apostle of christ were are miles appart.
from what you wrote below about Oyedegpo the difference is clear.

Zikkyy: Lol!, you know say oyedepo na celebrity

The below scriptures shows the mentality of a true man of God and not what we see around us today.

The spirit of God cant and will never be responsible for the filth and reproach we see around in the name of christianity:

1 Thessalonians 2:3-10

English Standard Version (ESV)
Paul's Ministry to the Thessalonians

3 For our appeal does not spring from error or impurity or any attempt to deceive, 4 but just as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel, so we speak, not to please man, but to please God who tests our hearts.

5 For we never came with words of flattery, as you know, nor with a pretext for greed—God is witness.

6 Nor did we seek glory from people, whether from you or from others, though we could have made demands as apostles of Christ.


7 But we were gentle[c] among you, like a nursing mother taking care of her own children. 8 So, being affectionately desirous of you, we were ready to share with you not only the gospel of God but also our own selves, because you had become very dear to us.



9 For you remember, brothers, our labor and toil: we worked night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you, while we proclaimed to you the gospel of God.


10 You are witnesses, and God also, how holy and righteous and
blameless was our conduct toward you believers.

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That ^ above is the spirit from above and not what we see around us.

Let him that has ear, hear what the bible says.
Peace

"Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise." (Proverbs 20:1). (bible wine has alcohol)

"literal word of God" Jesus is, very funny.

"Jesus was the literal word of God in heaven" and not a person while in heaven.

yet, he said that the father is greater than him.

"literal word of God Jesus is", yet that 'word' does not know the "day and hour" that the father purposed to destroy the world.

what an abnormally!

According to Oyedegpo's "small book".

Smh.

Image123: Humble pie in the sense that you kept quiet about making ridiculous claims of a pastors gospel that tithe works all the time. i've given what you need, that is a popular tithe preaching pastor, stating in every chapter of his book that tithe does not work all the time. It's not a magic thing. Knowledge is power,

https://www.nairaland.com/1472237/deception-malachi-3-10-11-devourer/7#18970350

truthislight: What exactly are you talking about ? What do you understand by the word 'Hell' ?

Is the word "Hell" from your language ?

Who commanded you to preach hell and use it to convert people ?

Did Jesus command you to preach hell ? As what ?

Answer please!

*sigh*

about 5 questions, they cant even attempt even 1 sef. Waste of my time here it seems.

People that dont know that the word Hell is a latin word that was borrowed into the bible when the bible was translated to latin.

The meaning has nothing to do with the Jews.

And Jesus went to Hell also.

Keep deceiving yourselves instead of educating yourselves.

sseniourman: see dem Sexkillz family

What !

Who is Sexkillz ?

Whatever !

Actually, for someone that just registered on NL some 2 days befor making this statement below, i think it is inappropriate and too hasty, unless you are an old member here on NL with a level of experience.

You talk as though you 'know NL too well', hence a conclussive frustrating exclamation.

[quote author=rapture_ready]I speak and quote bible= U r trying to twist scriptures
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I just hope you are not Oladegbu with a new ID. Smh.

[quote author=rapture_ready]If you have a problem with the book of proverbs, check out;

Eph 5:18 ...and be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess, but be filled with the spirit

And sir please try not to resort to insults in an attempt to win an argument, it does not look well on any child of God. Remember the bible said "by their fruits you shall know them" and "out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh" [/quote]We know that drunkenness is a sin. True.

We are not talking about drunkenness, but a moderate intake of wine, tombo etc. Is it a sin ?

Drunkards will not inherite God's kingdom.

How can one ever get drunk if he was not to test alcoholic drink at all ?

Israel was God's nation, was their alcoholic drink in Israel ? Yes, and it was allowed by God. hence, they know what its abused led to > drunkenness.

[quote author=rapture_ready]Paul wasn't asking timothy to sin. Like I said before he was asking him to take medicine, as the verse stresses; "for thy stomach's sake". If you have a medical condition and are prescribed alcohol or alcohol based drugs for treatment, IT IS NO SIN TO TAKE YOUR MEDICATION![/quote]For that ^. I call you a very big fat liar !

What timothy was ask to drink was wine with alcohol in it and not sugar drink.

Image123: i see you dodged the two posts i gave past 12pm today. i already gave Proverbs 31:4 as well. There is no assuming. Timothy was permitted to drink wine on health grounds, yes or no?

The question is, is wine with alcohol a sin ?

Better yet, is alcoholic drink a sin ?

Answer pls. Thanks.

Image123: Just did a quick search to help some to a link that says something similar. Note the following quote from the link.
"In many countries any drink with less than 0.5% ABV can legally be
described as non-alcoholic , because your body can metabolise the
alcohol as fast as you consume the drink. Although all orange juice
contains alcohol, the quantity is low enough that you won’t get
intoxicated from it, even if you drink many glasses of it. However in
places with zero-tolerance rules against driving with any measurable
alcohol in your blood, you might need to be careful if you are a very
heavy orange juice drinker."

http://quezi.com/14067

Again, what is your msg here ^ ?

That alcohol comes naturally ? That God created this things this way ?

Why then does your pentecoastal churches often paint a blanket picture > "alcohol is a sin"

Image123: Learned people know that the earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof, and that there is nothing unclean of itself. Learned people also know that every fruit contains sugar and ethanol. The content/percentage increases with fermentation. This is basic science and rural palm wine knowledge. Your sugar, your coca-cola, your medicine, lt all contains the likes of alcohol, cocaine, hemp and such banned substances.
Google is still free for your learning. You can't compare the fruit of the vine and whatever other fruit juice with alcohol content of about 0.1% or less to the likes of gin and whisky(above 40% alcohol), spirit(above 80%), brandy(35%) or beer(above 2% depending on which and not to mention the fishes and carton devourers that help multiply the percentage).
The bible solemnly discourages intake of alcoholic wine.

What have you succeeded in saying ?

Is all that aim at confusing people on the subject at hand ? Smh for you.

Mintayo: the statement you made above is not true!
so all those wine we buy with the inscription 'non-alcoholic' are alcoholic? I think you need to research well.
what diffferentiaite an alcoholic wine from a non-alcoholic wine?

They are fruit drinks.

Any fermented drink, wine, has alcohol.

When it is not fermented, it is a fruit drink, or, fruit drinks with preservatives.

The Jews of those days dont have preservatives as today, hence, fermented drinks = wine.

None alcoholic drinks are nothing less than beverages. in fact, that statement is a tautology.

Zikkyy: Lol! @bolded, you know say oyedepo na celebrity

yeah he his.

The urges for such is driving him to extremes. The too much "love of money" can do such to people, causes them to twist the word of God for selfish Gains.

God is watching. (though some of this men dont really belief that God exist.) they are atheist exploiting peoples ignorance.

An atheist that dont belief in the existance of God has nothing to fear from God, such can easily come out for the scam, using the bible.

What do you expect from our PHD-Dr pastors and GO 'man of God' fill with worldly knowledge ? Smh.

Will people learn and read their bible ? I doubt they will, they will still continue follow follow.

"and the lawless ones presence is according to the operation of satan, with every powerfull works and lying signs"....... 2thess 2:9,10.

[quote author=p.guyokec]People like sexkillz. who says there is no hell fire how do we convert them [/quote]What exactly are you talking about ? What do you understand by the word 'Hell' ?

Is the word "Hell" from your language ?

Who commanded you to preach hell and use it to convert people ?

Did Jesus command you to preach hell ? As what ?

Answer please!

Image123: Can i inform you that nothing works all the time, as it were. We are not discussing magic where you simply say "Hakakula" and the door opens irrespective of who or when it is said. Prayer does not work all the time. Giving does not work all the time. The name of Jesus does not work all the time(like the sons of Sceva showed us). And on and on. There are factors attached. Christianity is a life and relationship with God. Not some flash me prosperity quickie. i guess that's what you think it is, its why you feel so stunned and angry that it did not work that way for your mum. The Bible is complete and connected. It should not be disjointedly read or cherry picked. Like i usually tell Gosh and your other new friends, there is a cumulative understanding, not a fragmented one.

Yes, with prayers, God can say both yes or no to ones request as he did with apostle paul request for his health issues, and it is recorded for our instruction.

But for that of tithing, God said: "test me out and see, if i will not bless you"........
So, no excuse here. Tithe works all the time!

If the tithe that Oyadegpo is collecting does not work all the time and has never worked for some people, then, it is either, God does not accept it or asked for it, or it is a violation for christian to pay tithe and that should have made him(Oyedegpo) to reconsider and know that something is wrong, but, that he still insist and dishes out a curse for those not paying tithes shows he is either not a honest person or he is a FRAUD STAR.

He is then making people poorer and lazy, people looking forward to a promised blessing that will never come to pass.

There is no place in the bible that tithe did not work, except a refusal to pay it leads to low harvest.

If he does not repent, God is watching him.

Image123: Humble pie in the sense that you kept quiet about making ridiculous claims of a pastors gospel that tithe works all the time. i've given what you need, that is a popular tithe preaching pastor, stating in every chapter of his book that tithe does not work all the time. It's not a magic thing. Knowledge is power, do not settle for ignorance when you can be exposed to knowledge. It is very convenient to read or listen to nothing, and yet make ridiculous claims about pastors. Talk is cheap, truth is not. There are many ways to get access to a book asides buying it. Plus, its a small book. By now, with all the ten percent you've been hoarding, you should be able to afford a little book.

Oyedegpo preaches tithing from Malachi as a reference point, and the devourer is "actual" as stated in malachi and is preached from malachi as a reference point, why should the result of the tithing preach from malachi not be referenced from malachi where it is being preached from but rether, you want the result to be referenced from Oyedegpo "little book" ?

Does he have a little book where the devourer of malachi is being explain as "not happening all the time" ?

Why the selective application ? Smh.

How some people deliberately let themselves to be manipulated.

chy22: And why does he need a booklet written by your greedy pastors, when the bible is there for all.

"They teach commandment of men as doctrine", thats why.

'Little book' that subsede the bible.

Logicboy03: puberty is between the ages of 10-14.......so again......


Your bible has nothing against Yerima...infact,

what is the "bloom of youth" ?

When is passed the "bloom of youth" ?

Am having faith that you can address those ^ questions.

[quote author=m.k.o2005]
We don't tithe to our pastors becos they all die ! We tithe to Christ as Abraham did and also as Jacob did ! That is the reason we dnt care what the tithe is been used for ! We give to God as we also give our offerings to Him !

God help us[/quote]Hehehe.

The delussion is big.

pastors dont collect tithe again

Mark Miwerds: Oyedepo, in his book, said that God will give you divine protection when you tithe.

Must've been God's day off the day mother fell and broke her back. And to think she had been tithing faithfully for more than half a century.

I sound angry? I am. And I should be when preachers such as Oyedepo lie to people in order to extort money from them.

Say it from the roof top.

Say it from top of the mountain.

Say it online.

Say it always, maybe, just maybe, you can redeem some from their delussion.

My symparthy though.
But it is an experience worth sharing.
Peace.

[quote author=m.k.o2005]If you go through Hebrews 7 and still can't decode that Jesus is Melchizedek then you are part of the group apostle Paul calls 'the spiritually dull' in Hebrews 5:11-14 before he started with with this eye opener in Hebrews 7.
Hebrews 7:8 says ''The priests who collect tithes are men who die, so Melchizedek is greater than they are, because we are told that he lives on.'' If you can not use just Hebrews 7:8 to understand that this BEING Melchizedek is Christ then there is actually nothing i can do for u. The Aronic Priests in the OT under the Law collects tithes but are mere men who will eventually die but how come Melchizedek you say isn't a preincarnate Christ COLLECTED TITHE AND NEVER DIED ?- Una dey find am difficult to swallow wetin pass una, i understand but i no just fit help any one of una !
Jesus Priesthood had to be likened to Melchizedek to help the Hebrew readers appreciate who this Jesus was and to see that His priesthood was GREATER than than that of Aaron, so that the readers may appreciate this new covenant and begin to do what their father Abraham did ! Who tithed not under compulsion but as an appreciation out of Love for God ! Why did Paul not liken the priest hood of Jesus to another but Melchizedek the King of Righteousness,'The King of Peace' 'The one who lived Forever' The one who under the Law can never be a priest or tithe collector but collected tithe and still a high Priest forever of God !- Use ur head take know say There are no Forever Priest anywhere but Jesus. If you say Melchizedek isn't Christ then you are saying we have two forever high priest as it stand now ! If you say Melchizedek isn't Christ then we have two kings of Righteousness now,two kings of Peace now,two beings living forever now as priests,two beings that are the beginning and the end' !
Hebrews 7:20-25 also made it clear once again that Jesus is Melchizedek if not,it will be two beings today doing the work of Jesus !
How can you say Jesus never collected tithe on earth yet you quoted Hebrew 7 that ''also shows clearly that this priesthood proceeds from Judah, a tribe that doesn't collect tithe.'' Yet Jesus is from Judah and Melchizedek priesthood proceeds from Judah that is not suppose to collect tithe but HE did collected tithe !Does this not show us all that Jesus collected tithe even as it is against the LAW? Or you think God makes mistakes ! God want's us to get back to the period before the Law where Christ collected tithe as Melchizedek !
Hebrews 7:20-25
''This new system was established with a solemn oath. Aaron’s descendants became priests without such an oath, 21 but there was an oath regarding Jesus. For God said to him,“The Lord has taken an oath and will not break his vow: ‘You are a priest forever.’”Because of this oath, Jesus is the one who guarantees this better covenant with God. There were many priests under the old system, for death prevented them from remaining in office. But because Jesus lives forever, his priesthood lasts forever.Therefore he is able, once and forever, to save those who come to God through him. He lives forever to intercede with God on their behalf.'' This scripture again shows us clearly that Jesus is Melchizedek in the sense that HE is a Priest FOREVER just like Melchizedek. If Melchizedek is a different person,then it will mean that HE is not the only one occupying that office of Priest Forever ! This scripture shows us that there were many other Levetical priests but Death prevented them from continuing in that office but Melchizedek(Jesus) was different becos HE is still occupying that office until and after HIS return ! I dnt want to believe that One man some where is occupying same position with our Lord Jesus Christ ! God took an oath for this office.He took an oath to keep Jesus in this office of Forever priesthood and not for one other person some where to claim ownership of FOREVER priesthood other than Jesus ! You remember and if you can think,why Melchizedek brought out bread and wine before blessing Abraham ? This was exactly what HE did when HE brought out bread and wine before blessing HIS disciples the night of HIS death !
Any revelation received that contradicts the others in the bible will mean nothing but a quranic version ! God open eyes of Men to see what HE intends them to see but if it contradicts the others as written down,then it can not be from God ! It must not be popular for it to be real ! Popular opinion some times miss it just like we hear people and even the most famous religious leaders saying that we do not all need Christ to be saved,contrary to what the bible and Christ HIMSELF teaches !
It's just like saying that the bible and Christ teaches that one can divorce his/her spouse ONLY on the grounds of adultery ! But the bible /Christ never teaches us the above any where in the whole of the scriptures !
The letter killeth but the rhema giveth life ! You dnt have to believe for it to be true !

God help us[/quote]Dont bother yourself, hebrew 7:8 ^ above makes it clear that "men who die no longer collect tithes" and your pastors are men who dies just like the Levites. So, their collection of tithes is fraudulent and in violation of the NT starndard.

Take note.

swtchicgurl: thank you @ m.k.o.

see as dem wan devour me because i said 'private jets'

many of those so called 'rich men' are nursing deadly problems that their money can't solve! smh

i've said it that it's not all about money, but they wouldn't listen.

that thing called money eh!!!! chai

I pay my tithe and God is blessing me. So, you don't have to ask for Bill gates or dangote, just take a look at me. I am blessed.

Glory to God!

Ok, i see. That is why you have a chicken head on your profile.

Image123: Don't know where you got such gospel, hopefully it is not a figment of the antitither's imagination. Oyedepo for instance does.kt tell you that tithing works all the time. Read one little book he wrote "The hidden covenants of blessings". He says in EVERY chapter of the book that tithing alone is not enough.

Well, genuine bible tithing comes with a promise of a blessing.

So it was to those it was ment for. (Jews)

The one you and your man of god are asking for is a fraud hence.

Zikkyy: most tithers if not all started tithing with little or no understanding of what it means to tithe and i know my brother image123 is one of them (knowing he will never admit). God will bless those he wants to bless and in the manner he wish to bless, tithe or no tithe. That is not to say we should not live a life pleasing in God's sight.

"That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for
he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. " (Matthew 5:45).
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^
Equal oppurtunity for all. Hence, equal justice during judgement day.
No partiality with God.

Forget the fraudstars.

Mark Miwerds: That "sure Word of Prophecy" declares that God will bless in overabundance for tithing.

Does it not?

Malachi 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

So, I ask again, where is this overabundance of blessing that my mother was supposed to get for tithing? The blessing of seeing pastors get richer while she continued to struggle in poverty month to month?

hmmmm!
smh for fraud!

Image123: and the death of musketo's relative is proof that there is no God. Tell us more then. We have a more sure word of prophecy thn your family's experience, no thanks.

Sharrap !

There is no blessing that comes as a result of your fraudulent tithe. Simple.

I have too many experiences/examples to prove that.

Logicboy03: 1) It is impossible for a 10 year old to be mature. Impossible. Infact, if you can show me a 10 year old who is mentally mature for marriage from anywhere in the world, I will become a christian.

Well, the bible has this advise for those intending marriage:

that they should pass the flowering infancy age befor entering marriage.

"But if any man think that he is behaving improperly toward his virginity, if that is pass the bloom of youth , and this is the way it should take place, let him do what he wants, he does not sin: let them marry." (1 Corinthians 7:36)

that ^, certainly should be above ten.

we are gentiles, and apostle paul said that, when he goes to the Jews, he acts as a Jew, when he goes to the gentiles, he acts as a gentile.

He apostle paul did not carry Jewish tithe to gentiles.

The law was given to the Jews principally and tithe to livitical priest.

The christian law that covers all the 613 of the Jews and over is 'LOVE'.

The 613 laws was was given to :

"He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his laws and his judgments unto Israel. He hath not dealt so with any other nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD." (Psalm 147:19-20).

^
Tithe is not a christian thing.

Why are nontithers like billgate, Dangote, and all this world richest people richer than those that pay tithe ? and you said this below :

swtchicgurl: [b]I can't believe I'm reading this!!!

What about the men of God that have jets that you people criticize?!

I laugh so many times for that ^ comment. Smh.

Who is supposed to be the rich here ?

Who is supposed to be the recipiant of the blessing for sowing of seed/tithing ?

Is it the pastor that should be getting richer or those that paid the tithe ?

Why is the blessing not showing on those that sow the seed ?

Is it no longer that one will reap what he sowed ?

Meanwhile, more then 1000 top richest people in this world are those that dont pay tithe and you people are still deceiving people till date ? Smh.

May your deceit live long with you.

OLAADEGBU: I don't hate you but I hate the heresies you disseminate.

@ Oladegbu

how am i sure you are not the one that opened this thread going by your antics on this forum ?

You know i know you very well.

I just hope it is not you. Smh.

Efere701: why the advice sloo1 ?

Because it is most likely you are not a jw and the topic you raise does not lead one to God's kingdom.

What exactly do you wish to teach now ?

Efere701: Sometimes people do express outright animosity toward us, or at least toward the public preaching work that we do. Often times, certain ones may not even really know why they don't like us, but because their clergyman, family members, or friends have expressed unfavoarable sentiments toward JW's, then they likewise do the same.
Sometimes, misinformation and lies can lead one to form opinions about us that can lead someone to an unfavorable judgment of us. One example of such a lie about JW's is that some have claimed in the past that JW's supported Hitler. The fact is, The Watchtower magazine warned about Hitler's activities way back in the early 1930's, long before the world in general paid any attention to him. We were staunchly opposed to him, and we even refused to say the "Heil Hitler" salute. As a result, Hitler tried to kill us all, and was successful in killing a large number of us in the concentration camps. The Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC has a whole section dedicated to the memorial of JW's who died at the hands of Hitler.
Further, I personally I believe that those who "hate" us probably don't hate us individually, but their animosity is probably directed toward us as a group. They probably don't personally know of anyone who is a JW, and would probably be shocked that their dentist, their mailman, their paperboy, their auto mechanic, all could be JW's. Or, they may know someone who is a JW, that they may have had a personal difference with (we are all imperfect humans), and based on this, they may have decided that we all must be like that one person is. Humans have a tendency to stereotype.

Who actually is the "us" (so many us in your writeup) in that your post, and how do we know you are a Jw ?