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benalvino: [size=18pt]JESUS SAID HE IS NOT A SPIRIT... DID HE LIE?[/size] YES OR NO...

Hypocrite !

Dont you call Holy spirit holy Ghost ?

from that ^ Ghost = a form in spirit = breath that cannot be touch. = apparition.

So, Jesus was saying he was not an apparition or a ghost.

Dont be confused by translations and sentiments !
But spirit persons can appear to humans like they did to Abraham, lot and Jacob.

Spirit person can put on materialised body like angels did in the past and even eat physical food.

That is why after his resurrection he Jesus started passing through thick walls.

That he Jesus was touched does not mean he was not a spirit person, was the angel that wrestle with Jacob not a spirit person ?

benalvino: I already showed you... it called him a Cherub... He was one of the sons of God that present their self before the lord in jobs...
he is one of the angels of the bottomless pit the bible talks about... and ultimately your faithful and discrete slave teach he is an angel... Stop lying to your self...

My friend, are you slow ?

Where does the bible call satan : 'angel satan' or 'satan the angel' ?

Cant you read ?

Is your question not where the bible calls Jesus angel ?

So, my question is, where does the bible calls satan an angel also ?

Are you combining scriptures for me ?

If i combined scriptures for you that archangel and Jesus have exactly same responsibly for the future, will you agree ? Hypocrites !

Where does the bible call satan > angel ?

benalvino: Lol so with the powers of God jesus cannot pass through walls?

Abeg can air or wind pass through walls? Nope so why should spirit pass through walls? I thought your friend says spirits are winds?

Was Jesus a spirit too when he walked on water? was he a spirit when he raise people from the dead? SO why should he be a spirit to pass through wall?

Acts 8:39
And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him. 39When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away; and the eunuch no longer saw him, but went on his way rejoicing. 40But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he passed through he kept preaching the gospel to all the cities until he came to Caesarea.

^^^ was philip a spirit too... to appear in another city?

Sharrap !

With your empty head, you cannot understand that spirit means a lot of things, from breath to spirit person that are also in breath form to their powers.

Your narrow corrupted mind will look for what to twist.

Where does the bible call satan an angel ? Answer please !

benalvino: Ezekiel 28:13
12"Son of man, take up a lamentation over the king of Tyre and say to him, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "You had the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13"You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, Was in you. On the day that you were created They were prepared. 14"You were the anointed cherub who covers, And I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.

satan was a cherub... ^^^ you call me hypocrite but your watchtower is teaching that satan was an angel... who is the hypocrite? take a look at your self o... or are you not one of the jehovahs witness again?

Your empty head can no longer withstand this questions , you now go to watchtower publication Jw that you hate to help you defend the obvious.

Where did the bible call satan an angel.

Answer please, am waiting. Hypocrite!

benalvino: See what your awake magazine says


you people can be lying to your self its all on you not me...

Sharrap !

Where does the bible call satan an angel ?

benalvino: or does it matter what the bible says...

like Jesus resurrected and he said i am not a spirit... But it doesnt matter what the bible says... but what Watchtower says that God dispose his body and Jesus lied when he says he is not a spirit that a spirit have no flesh and bones...

Sorry, Jesus was saying he was not an apparition or a ghost.

Dont be confused by translations and sentiments !
But spirit persons can appear to humans like they did to Abraham, lot and Jacob.

Spirit person can put on materialised body like angels did in the past and even eat physical food.

That is why after his resurrection he Jesus started passing through thick walls.

That he Jesus was touched does not mean he was not a spirit person, was the angel that wrestle with Jacob not a spirit person ?

benalvino: Jesus created satan...

Satan was a cherub

1.Satan was in the garden in the form of a serpent (Genesis 3:1; Revelation 20:2).
2.Since Satan is not God we know he was created and as all of creation, he was a part of the very good (Genesis 1:31).
3.This one in the garden was a cherub. We know that in the garden were Adam, Eve, Satan, and God from Genesis 3. Neither Adam, Eve, or God are a cherub. Who does that leave? satan right?
4.Satan could at one time appear before God (Job 1:6; 2:1; II Kings 22:19-22), thus he was in heaven.
you know the angels are called sons of God and when they present their selves before God satan was also there...
5.Satan quickly became sinful (John 8:44).
6.Satan's downfall was pride. "Lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil" (I Timothy 3:6).
7.Satan was cast out of heaven (II Peter 2:4; Jude 6; Revelation 12:7-9; 20:2-3).

Where in all those that the bible called satan 'angel' ?

But he is called god just like Jesus in the bible but is not called angel.

But see you combining scriptures that fits to describe satan, but when it comes to Jesus doing exactly the same things and having the same responsibility with arch angel michael you say no, HYPOCRITE !

You will think that yahweh's organisation is disorganise that two persons will be given same whole lot of reponsibilities in the bible.

From resurrection to defending God's people etc, they have the same work. Every every.

You really think that God is foolish then. Sorry for you.

BERNIMOORE: no, he did not just become a servant on earth but he was created 'a servant'
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since your defination of servant goes thus='jesus serves his master', not only that but also 'jesus was loyal to his masters command',

lol.

That is the way his logic goes.

Servant = made in servant form. Lol

its been long i had such senseless comment.

People that have there normal children and later sold them to slavery, it then mean that those children were created with a form of a servant.

rubbish talk !

BERNIMOORE: so jesus created satan?

This takes us to next, 'jesus on earth.

when jesus was about to start his ministry on earth, he fasted. but satan met him and claim to have the control of the world, he took jesus to high mountains after showing him the glories, satan demand for jesus worship! while satan himself did not worship jesus.

can you show me where the bible call satan the devil Angel?

why because an angel created by God should worship jesus 'on earth or in the world', not the other way round

hebrew 1:6
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:

“Let all the angels of God worship Him


show me anywhere in the bible that satan the devil is called an Angel?

you can see verses here where satan was directly called god/God forget the uppercase, hebrew tetragamaton does not recognise upper or lowercase,ie

2Cr 4:4 Satan, the god of this evil world

show me anywhere in the bible that satan the devil is called an Angel?

is satan a god/God?

Good question !

If some should ask where the bible calls Jesus angel directly, the person should also be ready to show were the bible calls satan angel also.

That the bible does not directly call satan angel, does that mean he was not an angel/messenger of Yahweh befor he rebelled ?

Same applied to Jesus also, those asking for where Jesus is called an angel should show where satan is called an angel. QED.

BERNIMOORE: Hebrews 3:1

3 Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, [size=18pt]Christ Jesus, 2 who was faithful to Him who appointed Him,[/size] as Moses also was faithful in all His house.

was jesus not a faithful servant ti his father? why would he be faithful to an equal person? if not because he was Gods servant

Does it matter what Benalvino says ?

What that matters is what the bible says. QED.

Fhemmmy: Truthislight, please play for men now . . . I beg, these women go dey make mouth later oh

I wish to.
But will be distracted for now, will do that, but not now.

tobechi20: The Bible, and quaran are unarguably an incredible book.

incredible books ! ? I dont know what you have in mind.

tobechi20: Itis the best-selling,

Bible ? Yes !
I dont think bible and koran sells at the same rate.

tobechi20: most quoted,

bible ? Yes !
I dont think the bible and koran are quoted at the same rate.

tobechi20: most published,

bible ? Yes ! I dont think bible and koran are publish at the same rate. Google it, the difference is clear.

tobechi20: most circulated,

bible ? Yes !

I dont think the koran is circulated at the same rate as the bible.

tobechi20: most translated,

the bible ? Yes !

When did they started the translation of the koran that you can compare it with the bible ?

tobechi20: most influential

in what way ?

dont let me talk o.

tobechi20: But why should anyone believe that these religious books are actuallytrue?

that ^ is why you compared the bible with the koran the way you did so that you can vilefied the bible.

You have not stated your aims yet.

When you have, we shall see.

tobechi20: • How can we know that the Books isn't just an ancient book of mythology

* havent these books been tampered with

*hasnt key words been lost during language translate

*since they are written centuries ago, arent they em....old fashioned. Are they still relevant to todays world

* the two books cand definiely be correct, one is or none is

when you are ready to say the truth, pick them one at a time.

For now, you are chasing shadows.

Free the bible even though you are not doing what it says.

Peace

striktlymi: Now you are being dramatic. It is ungodly to close down a church where people worship because you have a particular bias against some of its worshippers.

it is unGodly for churches to do unGodly things. Eg. Exploitation.

obadiah777: so you can get a better understanding from another perspective. so you can see that this is not an alien concept and some other people have been enlightened to figure it out too

Other people are free to speculate as much as they wish.

Am only interested on what the bible says.

striktlymi: The above analogy is not correct.

Armed robbers and fraudsters are guilty of one or more crimes. Those who fellowship in the respective churches are 'guilty' of none.

^^^

How truthful is that ^ statement ?

I will let the readers be the judge. > all religion is perfect. No ?

As long the word God is pronounce, it is well. Smh.

^

are those ^ "NL religions forum best topics" ?

@ Obediah777

Dont bother yourself, the last world power the world will ever have is America/Britain.

Russia cannot destroy America/Britain and rule as a world power.

obadiah777: you know that verse in the bible, in the mouth of two or more is a matter established ? thats used to write the bible. every name or place in the bible has an alternative name for it in the bible but they are the same.

1- israel is jacob
2-egypt is mizraim
3-esau is edom
4-the valley of jehoshaphat is the valley of meggido ( the venue of ww3. )
5-armadeggon is gog and magog ( the name of the battle. and it is called gog and magog because russia ( which is the japhetic empire known biblically as gog and magog ) would be the one to slay the beast. in ww3 russia is the one that would destroy america. hence why it is called the battle of russia aka the battle of gog and magog )

etc etc etc.

Lets talk only 'bible'.

obadiah777: here is an article that may enlighten as to the gog and magog being armageddon. very lengthy. havent read it myself but if it is too long scroll to the bottom for his conclusion http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Gog

Of what use then is the bible ?

But you always quote the bible, why direct me to an article ?

benalvino: Yes... but this is not the issue or what we are discussing...

so far yall have not proven Jesus was one of the angels... there for cannot prove he is michael the archangel.
so can we close this thread?

Lol.

You should have known by now that that task has been accomplished already.

I gave you a thread where that was clearly proven, read it up there.

On this thread we have shown you who an angel is and that Jesus role is such, work done !

As for your mouth, na you get am, say what you want, it does not change the facts

Joagbaje: Tithing is an eternal principle ,just as prayers, almsgiving,offerings, worship, fasting etc. all these kingdom principles have nothing to do with Israel . They are part of Gods kingdom. It preceded the emergence of the nation of isreal. Abraham was not an isrealite .he was the father of faith , He was a tither a. If we are children of Abraham then we ought to follow the faith of Abraham.. God never stoped tithing ,it's an eternal principle .

Abraham did animal sacrifice and that sacrifice was befor the law hence "eternal Principle".

So, we are suppose to do animal sacrifice today. Jesus did not also come to abolish the laws, hence, any of you that does not do animal sacrifice today is a hypocrite !

Big rounded HYPOCRITE !

MostHigh: Who created the demons?

All power is for the most hight God.

I am simply saying that we retrict ourselves to what is xpressly writen.

Peace.

obadiah777: joel 3 9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O Lord.Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining <<<< LORD INSTRUCTING THEM TO GATHER

that the heathen gathered for war and the lord said gather yourself and come does not say the spirit of the lord is gathering them.

Rev. 16:14 clearly said it is the spirit of Demons, did you not read it ?

Am done pointing out that the "spirit of christ" is not the one gathering the nations for war.

Now, the war of amagedon is a different war from the war of "gog of magog".

1. The war of amagedon is a war for the destruction of the wicked in this current system, it is for humans alone. Rev. 16:16 :

"For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty." (Revelation 16:14).
"And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon." (Revelation 16:16).

2. The war of "gog and magog" comes later, after amagedon, after the 1000yrs of christ rule, it involves the destruction of satan and his Demons including humans that are still stiff-neck after the Resurrection : Rev. 20:7,8.

"And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea." (Revelation 20:7-.

That ^ comes after the 1000yrs of christ rule.

I dont know who told you that the 1000yrs is in the past.

I wander if the book of Revelation is in the past or futuristic:

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:" (Revelation 1:1).

That ^ was given to John the apostle of Christ at about 90ce.(this our common era).

^

The gathering is not from God, but their destruction and of evil is from God >> "amagedon"


"For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty." (Revelation 16:14).

@ Obediah777

obadiah777: because it is the spirit of Jesus christ that is stirring up the war.

though there are certain things that i feel needs alignment with the bible in that your post, however, the highlighted one caught my fancy.

You said : "it is the spirit of Jesus christ that is stirring up the war".

Can you please reconcile it with the bellow bible passages :

"And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty." (Revelation 16:13-14).
"And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon." (Revelation 16:16).
..................................

That seems to me that the spirit behind the war is three "unclean spirits", and the bible helps us to know that they are not from God nor Jesus :

"For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty." (Revelation 16:14).
.............

^^

Just to make sure that all that we say is consistent with the bible.

Peace

JMAN05: their are basic truths an atheist must believe before shifting to a mature spiritual food.

Yeah !
I agree with you.

You dont start feeding a new born egba the day he was born.

JMAN05: someone doesnt believe in God, he doesnt believe that the bible is true. he can never. i repeat, he can never agree nor even accept your explanation.

I agree with you.

The book that he considers to be 'fairy tells' can hardly make sense to him, let alone be taken seriousely by such a one.

JMAN05: So the starting point is to feed him with milk before mature food. he needs to believe that God exists, and that the bible is true before he graduates to another level of truth.

I see your point.

striktlymi: The last I checked, Cameroon was a democracy and the president is supposed to be the champion for the upliftment of the rights of its citizens.

Locking down churches all in the name of God knows what is a deprivation of the rights of his 'subjects' and a gross misuse of political power.

The armed robbers and fraudstars are camroonians also and they have rights as cameroonian citizens, is the discrimination because they dont make use of the name of God ?

benalvino: All of them says same thing that is why i should you what behold or beheld means... this is another excuse from you... nope it happened already past tense was used... the thing is satan keeps trying to go to heaven and the final time he will do it is the one that is talked about in revelation

in Which bible portion did you get that ^ ?

"satan keeps trying to go to heaven" ?

That at luke10:18 , it was one of those times that he was trying and falling ?

Lol,

Hehehe

plaetton: There is nothing more sarcastic than telling someone that he cannot understand certain ideas or precepts because he is an atheists.In other words, i have some kind of mental deficiency that prevents me from understanding simple written words in english.

Such is usually a copout, and I'm not shy to point it out.

we just have to wait for him to finish what he has started. @JMAN05.

striktlymi: Poor one from Biya...very poor showing from him.

There is nothing like "poor showing" in what he did if he curtails the exploitation to his citizens.

nora544: you should be happy that your president close all this fake churches where people only lose there money to this new pastors who look only at there own pocket.

That has nothing to do with homosexuality sorry.

Your president is a good man and he knows that this miracles are not real what happen in this churches and that that this so called miracles will bring only money in the pocket of the pastors and the followers will still get not rich.

True talk !