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olumyde: I don't claim to know all but frosbel and co will need to explain this verse of scripture. Revelation 20:10 - "And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulphur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. THEY WILL BE TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER". Pls don't answer with questions like, is there day and night in the other world (frosbel used dt to boycott d question sometime in d thread). Explain this verse to show there's no eternal punishment. Thanks

Fire being a symbol of a complete eternal destruction, it is fitting to emphersise what the fire does as being forever and ever.

Those things will be gone for ever and ever.

What torment can grave and abstract death face ?

Can a spirit being without a material body be tormented ? and by a literal fire ? No.

frosbel: SATAN was actually very happy when I was promoting his gospel of fear.

True ^.

Satan was also happy that you painted Ýahweh as a wicked God.

handsomebolanle: you havent answered the question...
Didnt you read the part that beast and FALSE prophets will be tormented DAY and NIGHT forever and EVER...
You speak about the unconditional love of God not to qualify man to be doomed for the cause of their choice... But the scriptures i have laid before you life and death... Choose life and.... Well thats what i choose
human being that definetly choose death will surely be tormented to as they as they are the trees which bears no fruit and will be cut down and thrown into **** where there will be gnashing of teeth... Bro the disobedient human will not be spared

And grave will also be torment as though it is a person, did you not also read that too ?

true2god: From church history, up till this present age, there are leaders in church. Paul, peter, James etc are all leaders during their time and are meant to be obeyed.

In Nigeria of today we have xtain leaders\pastors with many xtains under their ministry, norring have really changed.

God himself cannot come down to preach to us but will use men to do his job on earth. U r at liberty to believe dem or not and not to condemn all of dem and their teaching (while u present falsehood and deceit as a substitute).

If i may ask u, which church do u worship? Who's ur earthly role model (dnt say Jesus cos dats ur deceptive response)?

Pple like u cannot run a church or any xtain organization but wil sit at home like an anonymous whistle-blower (who will always mask his face frm public view) and mislead many. May God deliver u bro.

To ask again which xtain org do u worship? If u cant ansa den u (since u r ashamed of associating wit any church), as i said earlier, u r an atheist masqurading a xtain here.

^

but your so call men of God had changed their stand from TV is a sin to TV is not a sin and many more and many others.

You will not worry about those ^ it is frobel change that you hypocrite will see.

Rubbish!

true2god: Obviosly with the way u r going, if u 'study\pray' harder u will soon discover that there is no God.


I dont have any problem with ur doctrine but u seem to be in conflict with Jesus christ on the doctrine of hell. Since we call ourselves xtains i will rather take Jesus' own teaching about hell than urs.

How can he be in conflict with Jesus when Jesus has said no man has ascended to heaven except the son of man that came down from heaven ?

You took a parable literally and turned out to accused frosbel who sees the parable for what it is.

If no man has been to heaven, how can abraham be in heaven in that parable ?

Elevation: Hell is a place for everlasting torment the worms in hell never die and hell fire cannot be quenched-Mark 9:43-48 you'll definitely notice it is written in these verses that hell is not quenched verse 44 Where their worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched same thing is written in verse 48,Matthew 25v41-46 in verse 41 it is clear that an everlasting fire does exist dont be deceived some people talk about annihilation i.e total destruction this is a doctrine from the pit of hell do not believe it make ur ways right today call on Jesus to make u righteous without holiness no man shall see the Lord-Hebrews 12v14..it is only Jesus that can save he only is the way the truth and the Life pray earnestly to live righteous.GOD BLESS U.

What did the worms do ?

What kind of a literal worms is that that dont die in fire?



Are you thinking at all so ?

emeckar saybros: The messenger & His message is clear brothers.Belive,Proclaim that Jesus is Lord and be good to people u see on earth.then u won't bother abt hell or no hell.don't let Pastor decive u oh.we de see there bank account oh!

"Hell" torment is used to threaten people to part with their money or scamed tithe.

Syncan: Even Frosbel knows that I fear him not. We are not new to each other.The question is open even for you. Be Christlike, stop insults.

Insult !

Where did i insult ?

Please, show me where ?

Syncan: I thought it was a general consensus here that you are the one under illusion. I doubt if the prayer session being held for your deliverance is concluded. I will rather wait till those brethren tell me the good news.

I see, it is your daughters that you gave the trinity that you can subdue this much.

When frosbel comes along you become short of words and attack his person because you cant handled him and his arguments like you do your daughters.

Smh for RCC and pity trinitarians.

benalvino: [size=28pt]Sorry man no one to play with you here. i am done going in circles[/size] ... [size=28pt]So you Win even if you are wrong[/size]

He is not wrong!

you were asked a simple question.

Who are those in revelation refered to as "angel of the church" ?

benalvino: John is a human angel? another desperate crap...

Rev...
and what do you understand in this verse?

that ^ is not the answer to the question, try again below.

BERNIMOORE: benalvino

angels are messengers, according to the defination, we have spirit messenger which jesus before was one of them, and we have human messengers who are ministers or prophets,


mal'âk

mal-awk'[/b]

From an unusud root meaning to despatch as a deputy;[size=18pt] a messenger ; specifically of {God} that {is} an angel (also a {prophet}[/size]

let me show you people who are like john and are called human angels/messengers.

can you kindly tell me who are the 'angel of these churses below, they are human ministers of the churches, but are reffered to as angels, benalvino, check your bible and see them.

during pauls ministry, he entrusted the churches which are in Asia, Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamus, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea to a human ministers,also reffered to as angels just like john's case, this shows you that, what we think of angels maybe as a winged spirit creatures is not the real thing, i will treat the angel issue later in the day

Revelation 2:1 "To [size=14pt]the angel[/size] of the church in Ephesus write: These are the words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands.

Revelation 2:8 "To the [size=14pt]angel[/size] of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again.

Revelation 2:12 "To the [size=14pt]angel[/size] of the church in Pergamum write: These are the words of him who has the sharp, double-edged sword.

will you start imputing errors like you did in 1(#j) on page 28,


but first,

tell me the nature of angels the way you believe that it was

we are waiting for your answer please.you were asked a simple question.

Are those in revelation refered to as

In all, who tells this people what to do ?
God or men ?

"Howbeit, in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. " (Mark 7:7-8 ).

Same old rubbish the pherisees did and landed in trouble.

Teaching commandments of men as doctrine.

Smh for them.

benalvino: are you an angel if i send you message?

is john the baptist an angel from heaven?

look who is talk about ignorance...

malak is messenger

angelous is angel...

thats why your bible did not use angel there... learn to accept facts... your boy has been caught are you want to justify for him lol.

Smh for this height of slow understanding.

I said that the word angel means 'messenger' and you are screaming.

Ok, let me help you and hope it will aide your grasping it.

Jesus christ is the most important messenger of Yahweh.

Jesus christ is the chief messenger of Yahweh.

Jesus christ is the arch messenger of Yahweh.

Jesus christ is the number one messenger of Yahweh.

Jesus christ is the point one messenger of Yahweh.



I hope that ^ helps.

Smh for you.

frosbel: https://www.picgifs.com/graphics/l/lol/graphics-lol-443148.gif

Lol,

@frosbel, this your Ola of a friend is completely bunkoos.

He is so naive.

Smh for him.

benalvino: you are a JW... JWs believe Jesus is an angel... Now they try to prove it by using some bible verses... But if jesus was an angel it will be Sweet for them to translate malachi 3:1 as angel it that is what is there... But nope it is not so they put the right thing there which is messenger....

you Choose Darby bible and duay bible that made a wrong translation... its funny how your own bible that all your doctrinal beliefs are coming from and every other bible doesnt agree with the 2 bible you quote from...

from the new world translation
3 “Look! I am sending my messenger,*+ and he must clear up a way before me.+ And suddenly there will come to His temple*+ the [true] Lord,*+ whom YOU people are seeking, and the messenger*+ of the covenant+ in whom YOU are delighting.+ Look! He will certainly come,” Jehovah of armies has said.+

and check every other bible... angel doesnt exist in that passage...
[size=18pt]Result = fail... you fail to prove Jesus is an angel[/size]

Ignorancy is a disease.

The word Angel means messenger.

Smh for ignorancy.

alexleo: Sorry, our sister.

Lol.

her love for the truth makes her very appealing to us.

sheniqua: She permed her hair
She wore a lace gown
She had a veil
They rode in a limo
They had a huge delicious cake at the wedding
She had make up on with well arched brows
She was pretty
She had a bouquet of flowers
She smiled and looked happy in the pictures


All are anti deeper features

very funny.

Smh for them.

OLAADEGBU: The pictures posted by the Nigerian media (including NL) shows that the bride was wearing earrings/jewelries, which she wasn't wearing. If that is not photo shopping I don't know what it is. If you can't get your facts right in this instance the rest of your insinuations is not worth deliberating into.

For what reason was she suspended for ?

Was it because she got married, is marriage a sin ?

For what reason was she suspended ?

Is the bible not clear on the basis that one should be resisted ?

Is the bible no longer the rule and yard stick ?



Smh.

Image123: so much error grammatically. Your reactions amuse me, really. Don't worry, I'll tell the Lord to explain to you on the sabbath. Perhaps, he'll send that sister again.

^^^
Leave my sis alone!

BERNIMOORE: benalvino

we are getting closer to page50,

The value will only worth the effort if the person it is being expanded on is a honest person.

But i dont think so with good reasons and evidence.

Any way, others maybe reading.

Peace.

Mr Troll:
ok then.
Anyways, I'm sure logicboy was refering to Mukina2 Jesoul when he made that statement about godly morality.

Lol, you sure have a good sense of humour men!

He definitely had one person in mind, and you know who.

Mukina2

that is why i fixed it up there ^.

frosbel: do you think those who promote hypocrisy and legalism in the body of Christ should have any shame

Those who enforce the Christian 'hijab' on their members in Nigeria while allowing their members in the west to dress anyhow ?

Hypocrites no know shame.

Lol.
God has two faces and standards, one for Nigeria and another for the westerners.

abi na God get double standards for different set of people or na the love of dollars and power of dollars in the west ?

Ah! dollars get power o! It can even cause god to fear face for europe

lol. Nigerians, i pitty you people.

This one no be illiteracy, na poverty of the brain ?

Smh for delusion.

"Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12).


If no be tithe na NDE of heaven and hell na tradition of men with double standard for Nierian and europe.

Abi no be same standard for all of mankind that God have ?

Na wao ?

"They that trust in their wealth, and boast themselves in the multitude of their riches; None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: (For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever: ) That he should still live for ever, and not see corruption." (Psalm 49:6-9).

^^^

No human from Adam no son from the blood of Adam could have paid the ransom.

Impossible!

shdemidemi: You and I inherited sin through Adam, Jesus circumvented the adamic sin because he did not come through intercourse between a man and a woman.

^^^
he came clean = perfect.

But had the potential to sin just as Adam, Eve, Angels all did sinned though they all had a perfect start

frosbel: so all the tempting was for fun or some sort of prank , joke perhaps ?

I mean why will SATAN tempt Jesus if he knew he could not SIN, was he part of this scam ?

Common bro, Jesus Christ the Messiah and King of Kings actually fought against SIN and overcame it according to Hebrews 4:15.

you are a lying hypocrite!

The Clown: Enigma, the general idea of your post was understood but,

When will you protestants and Pentecostals become sincere when anything has to do with the Catholic Church?

The Clown: Well, the impression was that though you got the information from somewhere else but the article was yours, you wrote it.

This is just an observation anyway.

I'm tired of all these Catholic this, Catholic that, and blunt disregard of facts.

Well like you said, the issues are secondary and that was why I pointed that out, that is what Catholics have been saying too.

But you would have been objective, more unbiased with the side issues, in that way, everyone would understand you in the same light, disclaimer or not.

Telling the truth in all situations and making good deductions are Christian virtues too.

Shalom.

https://www.nairaland.com/497445/trinity-doctrine-invented-council-meeting/2#6786512

Must you tell lies to pass a statement ?

Saying you are who you are not.

Smh.

Is this the answer to my question ?

OLAADEGBU: Why do you want to know, Mr. Gbefila? Are you ready to be excommunicated from your watchtower organisation?

Like father like son.

Hypocrite!

Colin Adua: A bunch of over pampered kids!

A sister once told me that during her Deeper Life wedding that the wife of the regional overseer searched thoroughly for perming underneath their locally plaited hair, and if she had noticed one, that person would have been chased out of the wedding right there on her wedding day.

Now, somebody in the same church, after years of humiliating and openly rebuking others for far lesser offfence, has the effrontery to adorn herself with perming(are you sure, that, is not weavon/wig), makeup, earing, wedding gown, see through show shoulder dress, against the church's 38 years preaching/ standard and the wedding was allowed to hold, while the GS was present, just because of what? Probably, because she is being married to the GS (Oga on top) son. And deeper life members were there, clapping for them, beaming with smiles, inside deeper life church. You people needs to try more harder to explain to me that there is no DOULBE STANDARD.

Resignation or no resignation, apology or no apology, suspension or no suspension, discipline or no discipline, all those are meaningless medicine after death, the wedding has been permitted, the damage has been done. Why did the church allow the worldly wedding to hold in the first place? Didnt they see her make up at their traditional wedding two days before? Are the members afraid to rebuke the son of their pastor? All these shenanigans, laterly is just, far far far foul, a move to stop other members from giving their children high society wedding, after they have already given it to their kids.

Is it not outright hypocrisy, double standard and lack of integrity? Am still very shocked, disappointed and I feel betrayed. I did not attend the wedding of someone very close to me, I did not take pictures with them, neither did I eat their cake and food at the hall, in my protest that I did not support him marrying an unbeliever, neither do I support his flambouyant worldly wedding, partly because of the church then, now look at this. How will he see me now? Is it not an outright betrayal?

Pastor Kumuyi would have shown us the stuff he was made of(if he was actually made of any stuff). He was there, sat quietly, took pictures with them, probably, drank their wine (are you sure that wine wasnt alcoholic), listened to their songs(I wonder what they were singing about, in that shameless disobedience to a constituted organisation), possibly ate their cake and food. Then flown back to Nigeria and started waving resignation over our faces. He doesnt need to offer resignation, as I read from a paper, he should have submitted a resignation letter, gone home collected all the wedding pictures and videos from the naughty couple and get them burnt, if he is serious.

I find it difficult listening to his messages again, because I keep asking myself, do this man mean all these things he is saying? If not the issue with my PC, I would have gotten all of them deleted from my HDD.

What has happened to open rebuke, that the church has been preaching? What has happened to showing our faith by our works? What has happened to " a leader's sin is a leading sin" condemnation? Why didnt kumuyi call off or halt that wedding when he saw that girl like that? Why didnt he cancel it and chase those bunch of naughty kids out of the church, as has been done to so many other people in the past (as I heard, I never witnessed any), as the general overseer of the whole branches? He would have welded his cane immediately. A worthy shepherd can never see a sheep getting lost and keep quiet and after it must have gotten lost and eaten he now starts looking for it.

If he had chased them out of the church and had postponed the wedding, now I would have been celebrating him, boasting and thumping my chest. And my respect for him would have gone back to 100%. But he sat there and kept quiet, while his kids were disobeying the church, now he is crying foul and rejecting apology. Thats crying when the head is already cut off, medicine after death, an outright double standard, because no one in his right senses can believe that he did not consent to the wedding.

The high society wedding has already been done, the pictures are probably somewhere waiting to be enlarged, framed and hanged. Few years from now, the kids will look at them and possibly grin with satisfaction and give themselves high five and thumbs up, that they looked good during their day.. And other members will still be shackled down from happiness, freedom and liberty with unnecessary laws.

Had it been that this happened to another pastor like Lazarus Mouka, deeper life members would have piecesed him. They will talk and talk and talk untill their arses starts talking. Only God knows what they would have said. Now, it has happened to Deeper Life and they are defending their pastor, trying to sweep it under the carpet. Thank God for the media, it would have been cleverly underplayed.

My respect for him has gone from 70% to -20%. He should be disciplined and suspended for sitting quietly, consenting to that wedding, just like the Jamaican national overseer. If God is still interested in DL, HE will raise somebody far better than him. Nobody is indispensable. Kumuyi should get off there for some time it will help us to recover easily, retaining him as GS for now is still amounting to another double standard, an unfair treatment, since the Jamaican overseer, has been suspended. A lot of pastors in deeper life has been disciplined for an offence far lesser. PLEASE HE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO LIVE BY EXAMPLE.

Deeper life should go and put the church in other, making sure that those bunch of over pampered kids, did not give birth before 9 months of their wedding. They should counsel, monitor and nurtur them so that they should not fight and divorce. Because that will finish the already dented image of the church. A woman who can shamelessly, globally and overtly disobey an old constituted organisation, she grew up in, with alacrity, without minding whose ox is gored, doesnt seem like an ideal virtuous, submisssive wife to me.

Maybe God has seen these lack of integrity, far before we do and raised a new pastor in the person of Lazarus Mouka for himself and us.

I wish, finally someone will just tell me that this is not true, that it didnt happen. I wish I can wake up and find all this a dream.

Kai, na waoh! am stranded. I never imagined nor expected this from a family we boast of and look up to.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR THIS WRITEUP, IF THAT WORLDLY WEDDING DID NOT HAPPEN AFTER ALL.

Colin.

Kumuyi thought his members dont have TV to see him laughing in the wedding.

Laughing in a kind of wedding he had spank and punish other peoples perent.

Smh for hypocrisy.

Yes, you are right, she had said that you lack the ability to comprehend things.

Pygru: I no even understand wetin you write.
Wetin you dey talk?

Let me explain what she told you so that you can understand.

1. She said that you are foolish.

2. She said that you shoud be sucking your mama's milk.

3. She said that you are jobless.

4. She said you should get a job as a baby seatter since your brain cannot withstand nor capable of handling a higher kind of work.

5. She said you are useless to this forum.

6. She told you not to follow her around.

7. She said all your threads and posts are useless.

8. She also said you are bunkoos.

I hope you understand her now ?

flourishG: @pygru
did u really ignore me?is replying by typing 'ignored' actually ignoring someone?now tell me how what I said isn't true of u.are u schooled at all?you called up a topic n what did u say?just typed ',,,,,,,'.dat's all u did.what then is yr contribution?aren't u carnal by such nonsense?I went thru all yr post n they all useless as far as dis forum is concerned.if u dont hv a job,y not go be a babysitter man.I hate when men act like kids still breastfeeding.finally,y did u offer to follow me?u better unfollow cos u will always get my reply whenever u act like a kid.

read it again, slowly this time, lets see if you can understand this time around.

Frank4YAHWEH: One is without sin in that they are in obedience to FATHER Yahweh's instruction [torah, law]. Yahshua, FATHER Yahweh's SON found favor ["grace"] with Him in his obedience to Him. One is also without sin when washed as white as snow from sin. It says "... and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—(Romans 5:12). Was not Yahshua a man and is he not said to take on the sins of the whole would or of all mankind? Is not the following prophetic of Yahshua the Messiah:

When your days are over and you rest with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom. He is the one who will build a house for My Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands (2 Samuyl 7:12-14).

For we have not a high priest who cannot be touched with the feeling of our weaknesses; but was in all points tempted like we are, yet without sin (Hebrews 4:15).


Yes, Yahshua was born into a world of sin just as we were, but he instead chose to obey his and our FATHER Yahweh and in turn was without sin. We also can be just as Yahshua and be without sin in that we repent and turn from sin and be washed white as snow. Yes, one does inherit sin (disobedient to FATHER Yahweh) from generations before, but we can be washed clean of all sins. One finds favor ["grace"] with FATHER Yahweh when they obey His instruction and bring forth righteous works. Note that Yahshua told his disciples and the Apostles that they would do greater works than he in that he was leaving and would no longer be with them.

Sorry mate, am through with you.

redcliff: [size=14pt]sometimes to the human understanding the word of the Lord could be contradictory and that's why you need the discerning of the spirit to really understand what a particular scripture says at a time. If you read the ezekiel 16 from 1 you would understand the context in which the Lord spoke. I would say he spoke metaphorically.
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Mr man comot for road!

When you people over step the commands of God you methaphor us to cover your man's made traditions.

*sigh*

plappville: The truth is that THE SABBATH IS PART OF THE 10 COMMANDEMENT. And God will not judge anyone that observe it. It is best to be in the safest side. Scriptures used to backup the annulation of Gods Sabbath might have being misinterpreted centuries ago.

The laws God gave was 613, are to keep all or we are to keep some and leave some ?

If yes, we are to keep all, are you doing that ?

If no, we are to keep some and leave some, is that possible ?

See:

"For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in 'all' things which are written in the book of the law to do them." (Galatians 3:10).

Is it possible to keep some and leave some of the laws of moses ? You be the judge.

The two commandment that christ gave covers all what a christian need to do and beyond.

The principles of the whole 613 laws are captured in the two laws of christ, namely:

love of God and love of your fellow man.

I still suggest you look into this again.

Peace.