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Image123: i laugh as i await your next question that would finally convince you that there is no God. Meanwhile, stop exhibiting agberoism. It's the compelling act of calling passengers into a vehicle without plans to follow the vehicle.

cyrexx: Everybody is free to follow their fantasy, I won't stop them; but as for me, I desire no eternal life cos it diminishes the value of the only life we've got. Religion makes us look forward to an imaginary second life while surrendering our real life to religious control.

truthislight: "Infant terrible".

Lol.

Rome ke?

Logicboy03: Rome didnt exist in biblical times abi?

manmustwac: I couldeasily just ban your moniker but I want you to tell me what grudge do you have against youguyz? Spill the beans & reveal your true identity

inurmind: ^^Yeah mehn, lmao @ youguyz and yougayz, I wonder if manmustwac would allow our dear friend to have his revenge, please do.

Yooguyz: mods in the house please check out this dude yougayz.i think he was created to paint my black

yougayz: you may sometimes be an asshole,but you are right am a menance to the society

Yooguyz: please ignore any posts my anyone claiming to be me

yougayz: you may sometimes be an asshole,but you are right am a menance to the society

Yooguyz: please ignore any posts my anyone claiming to be me

Logicboy03: lol...are you now Ihedinobi? Ignoring/denying objections and rebuttals to your position?

Jews wrote and interpreted the old testaments thousands of years before christians - what goves christianity then the right to have any authority on the old testament?

Chrisbenogor: Nice thread, bros mazaje I hail.

@inesqor (the last truth bender )

Nwokem, surely you do realise the pressure was more on the early Christians who had the job of interpreting these old books to fit the story of the Jesus. Paul was the first yahoo yahoo guy ever, I nor trruss am at all.

InesQor: I see your point, though if you reckon, the early Christians had Jewish scholars like Paul and teachers like Jesus who interpreted things (for all intents and purposes, it's just as well as any other Rabbi would have interpreted to write a Midrash). This was not at all a case of an outsider interpreting a Jewish book.

Oh well, to each their own

Logicboy03: Wrong.


There were numerous jewish scholars and councils before Jesus/Paul. The interpretations of Jesus/Paul were even taboo up till this day to Jews.


A slippery slope

Logicboy03: To claim christianity has some authority over Jewish scriptures is to say that islam also has an authority over some new testament stories of Jesus- especially where they say that Jesus wasnt crucified.

Pastor Kun: No true christian can answer this question as there is no biblical injunction for christians to tithe in the first instance. Even then the biblical injunction to the Israelites to tithe was of farm produce and NOT money so even going by Jewish law, your question is still not answerable.

Joagbaje: How did the church ask you ? They came to your house to ask for your tithe abi?

Logicboy03: So now, the Jews dont know their own religion and you a Nigerian who was given a Jewish religion called christianity through slavery from the British knows the old Jewish Laws better than them?

Disgusting arrogance

truthislight: The nation you see today and call "Jews/Israel" a secular nation is a far fetched from the nation of "kings and priest" you hear mention in the bible.

When the nation of Israel was destroyed in 70ce, they lost all their history that was in the temple that was burned down aside this info that was contain in the OT and what the christian NT contain.

This part was in the hands of other "Jews "scattered abroad"

What you have today is a secular nation that operate as any other nation and does not have Yahweh appointing their "king and priest" as it use to be.

They have a completely different ideology.

Am afraid, you miss fired again sir.

Peace to you any how.

Martian: This is one is for both sides and their arguements about Abraham's two sons. It seemed the "apostle formerly known as Saul" thought the story was an allegory too.

Galatians 4 21-31
Slave versus free
21 Tell me—those of you who want to be under the Law—don’t you listen to the Law? 22 It’s written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and one by the free woman. 23 The son by the slave woman was conceived the normal way, but the son by the free woman was conceived through a promise. 24 These things are an allegory: the women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, which gives birth to slave children; this is Hagar. 25 Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and she corresponds to the present-day Jerusalem, because the city is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 It’s written:

Martian: Judaism has no concept analogous to original sin.

Martian: Judaism has no concept analogous to original sin.

mazaje: Whose view of the old testament should be considered authoritative, that of the christians or jew? I say this because the two religions have very different views of the old testament.For example, the jews see the garden of eden story as man’s elevation to a moral sense and awareness, while christians on the other hand see the eden story as the fall of man. Jews do not recognize and believe the original sin hypothesis while christians do and that is a great difference since both of them read from the same book.

I notice that jews do not completely regard the whole old testament as historical, they have no problem stating that some of the stories are allegories and not historical, but christians don't usually share that view. . .

Whose interpretation should be authoritative and hold precedence? That of the jews or Christians?

Alfamann: The church wants me to give 10 percent of my income to them. What if I made loses in my business? Does the church give me 10 percent of my loses? Do I get a credit on my future profits to cover for past losses?
How does it work?

Goshen360: chei, tithe topic don suffer for this forum this in the past 2-3 weeks. Anyways, I'm NOT a tithe teacher so, I can't answer your question. Wait me for the teachers on this forum e.g Image123, Olaadegbu, Joagbaje, Bidam, Snowwy, Alex etc to come answer your question. The are in the best position to answer because they have the anointing to teach tithing better.

juventino: OLAADEGBU don put his finger for tortoise yansh today.

amdatam: @TV01

Then the LORD said to him,
"Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own,
and they will be enslaved and mistreated four hundred years".
- Genesis 15:13

Goshen360: Well, I don't know where to begin to sort out truth from errors in your article my brother. We love you but we will always speak out when truth is mixed with errors. The truth is, you are mixing Judaism with Christianity and serving it as a spiritual food to New Testament\Covenant Christians. That's all what I see in your article. It will be just to fully pour out the Old wine in order to fill in the New. Mixing Judaism with Christianity is the most dangerous teachings in the church today and I see you promoting such. Please, find time to understand Judaism and understand Christianity, then sort of the errors.

BARRISTERS: @ Goshen and Frosbel, cant you see that OLAADEGBU is just posting cartoons and have diverted from the real issue? he only needs you to build his tread, my advise is that you should abandon the tread for Goodness sake! NOW!

TV01: 5. Our children and their godly heritage – if we dilute or corrupt the message, they will be easy prey. Which in one aspect is the whole point of this. They can’t breed, so they must recruit. I always felt the sting of this move was in gay adoption, not SSM.

Reyginus: Frosbel, I'm still waiting.

amdatam: @TV

Fending off; an example among many in the art of politicking.

Since you didn't answer, exactly what you'll do, if your sibling, kid (i.e. child(ren)) etc is gay, turned out gay or comes out gay, I remain watching this space (i.e. jokingly, this space is not for sale )

musKeeto:


Go through this thread. It could help you make sense of a few things..

Logicboy03: Manmustwacc,

February has passed

italo: This is for any innocent and sincere person who might be in danger of being deceived by these wolves in sheep clothing:

Matthew 23:9, "And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in Heaven." Notice, however, that this makes no distinction between spiritual fathers, which is what our priests are to us, and biological fathers. In other words, if you interpret this passage to say, absolutely, that no man is to be called father, you cannot distinguish between calling a priest, father, and calling the man who is married to your mother, father.
But, is that actually what this passage is saying? Or is Jesus warning us against trying to usurp the fatherhood of God? Which, in many ways, is what the Pharisees and Scribes were doing. They wanted all attention focused on them...they were leaving God, the Father, out of the equation. Which is why Jesus goes on to call them hypocrites, liars, and whitewashed tombs.

If you interpret this passage from Matthew 23 as an absolute ban against calling anyone your spiritual father, then there are some problems for you in the rest of Scripture. For example, Jesus, in the story of Lazarus and the rich man in Luke 16, has the rich man referring to Abraham as "father" several times. Paul, in Romans chapter 4, refers to Abraham as the "father" of the uncircumcised, the Gentiles. That's referring to spiritual fatherhood, not biological fatherhood.

In Acts 7:1-2, the first Christian martyr, Stephen, referred to the Jewish authorities and elders who were about to stone him as brothers and "fathers," as does Paul in Acts, chapter 22. This is referring to spiritual fatherhood. So, if you interpret Matthew 23 as saying we cannot call anyone our spiritual father, then you have a problem with Jesus, Paul, Stephen, and the Holy Spirit...they must have all gotten it wrong.

It is okay to call priests "father", just as it was okay for Jesus and Paul to call Abraham "father" and for Stephen and Paul to call the Jewish elders "father." As long as we remember that our true Father is God the Father and that all aspects of fatherhood, biological and spiritual, are derived from Him. And as long as we do not allow anyone else to usurp that role in any way, shape, or form, as the Pharisees and Scribes were prone to do.

http://www.biblechristiansociety.com/apologetics/two_minute#16

truthislight: yes, call no one father! QED.

Did any of your pope have a personal influence in your up bringing like a guardian?

If he does, so also he did in all the billions or millions that calls him father, is that possible? Or is it that he has attained the title father?

The truth is, CALL NO MAN FATHER AS A TITLE, let alone "holy father".
QED.

Pastor Kun: He is just into semantics, i tried to explain the context within which Jesus made that statement and referred him to amplified version which makes it clearer yet he is picking holes and making daft submissions that the AMP bible was written by protestants. Even the "leader" translation he is grasping at in the AMP version is talking of Leader within the church setting.

Ubenedictus: i gat no problem with those passages, i thought i made that clear?






Can i now get my peck? Lolz