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debosky: I appreciate your honest view on this. However, I do have a question or two - the manner of a 'sickness' arising determines how it is dealt with - e.g. if it's through 'contamination'/external contraction, you treat the illness and avoid further contamination. Do you think we need better understanding of the origins/causes in order to deal with the 'sickness', and are Christians really interested in that?

Enigma: And how did Wycliffe who was mentioned in that link translate John 1:1 into English? Did he translate it like you Jehovah's Witnesses do?

How did Tyndale translate John 1:1 into English? Did he too translate it like you Jehovah Witnesses do?

Ubenedictus: can u prove dat d bibo was kept in latin 4 1000yrs? because i see many translation apart frm latin was available in dat time.

jayriginal: *shrug*

Kay 17: @ seyibrown


And examine it with your statement:

Even though my mind recoils from absurdity of juxaposing non approval with regulation in a positive statement. However it is contrary to the Eph 6:5. Slaves including our African slave brothers, were not only condemned to lose their humanity but also expected to be obedient, because disobedience is a Sin!

The pro slavers would have had this verse very handy for their arguments for slavery and probably prolonged the Slave Trade. What I wonder is: what did Wilberforce and Co think of, of such verses.

Image123: homosexuality may be an inborn tendency like foolishness naturally bound in a child's heart, or the tendency of some to lie or be boisterous or easily angry, it may also be acquired/contracted like a deadly disease that it is as evil communication corrupts good manners, and there is the possibility of sin's enticement or walking in the counsel of the ungodly and standing in the way of sinners. Whatever way this sickness comes, it needs to be driven out like Jesus would cast out devils instead of being fed, nurtured and pampered.

Image123: homosexuality may be an inborn tendency like foolishness naturally bound in a child's heart, or the tendency of some to lie or be boisterous or easily angry, it may also be acquired/contracted like a deadly disease that it is as evil communication corrupts good manners, and there is the possibility of sin's enticement or walking in the counsel of the ungodly and standing in the way of sinners. Whatever way this sickness comes, it needs to be driven out like Jesus would cast out devils instead of being fed, nurtured and pampered.

Logicboy03: So, Ishilove, after seeing the nonsense that Enilove and Truthislight have written above, do you still have faith in christianity?

Ihedinobi: You want something?

enilove: The right answer has been given by tipia,but you have decided in ur heart that the bible was wrong in that regard,so u did not take it.

To start with ,it was not a sin in those days for someone to marry his or her brother.Abraham did marry his sister.But in Leviticles 18:9. God stopped them from such marriages.

In Gen.46:27 .The children of Jacob that went and sorjourn in Egypt were only 70 people.In Exo.12:37.About 430 yrs latter the population that left Egypt were 600,000 men, aside from women and children and the babies killed in Exodus 1:22 .

If only Isaac could have about 1,000,000 descendants ,male ,female and children inclusive in about 500 years,despite that he died at 160 years or so,how many descendants do u think Adam would have,considering that he had many great grand children that lived above 800 years b4 they died. It will not be less than 10,000,000.

Cain knew he was going to live long.The spiritual knowledge of the future ,as at then, can not be compared with now.

Ishilove: Good point,but I really doubt this. It seems like Cain's contention was that he was going to be wandering about like a vagabond and rogue,therefore he was going to be vulnerable to threats that were ALREADY OUT THERE. If the threats were from his own family wouldn't it have been mentioned, just like the bible specifically mentioned that his wife was his sister, "one of Adam's offsprings"?. Gen 4:15

Ubenedictus: interesting posts. As d scandals show i think some priest or in theory all priest should b treated in a sense as hypocrites, Jesus teaching is right on point "do as they say but not as they do".
In a rather sameful chain of event, infact all through d centuries for 2000yrs the church has shown that she is simply a devine institution with human members and as such sin abound.
I only know one perfect church where what is taught is what is alway done, and that church is d church in heaven.
As far as earth is concerned all we have are stewards, unworthy vessels of divine truth. And while i see d scandals it reminds me that no one is impecable and that plaetton who writes d post against d scandal also has his own sins.
The church has never said her member or priests are the most holy in d world, infact the church repeats in d words of her master Jesus christ "d scandal must come but woe unto him through whom it does" but she maintains her function to teach moral, and to teach that thru christ d moral laws can b followed and finally that God is ready to forgive d repentant sinner. She teaches d truth of God even though those who claim to b catholics do not alway practice such truth.
GOOD POST plaetton. Let judgement begin from the house of God.

Logicboy03: I am not going to derail Kay17's thread anymore


Homosexuality is condemned in the bible

Slavery is approved in the bible and that is why Western christians found it justifiable to enslave blacks.


End of story

kmcutez: @truthislight, I already explained with quoted references in my last post. If english is your problem, then that is not my fault. Go back and reread my post till you comprehend.

Logicboy03: lol.......are you making the point that slavery is not in the bible? After the quotation of leveticus 25;44 has been beaten to death here?

Logicboy03: Truthislight embarrassed himself here

Logicboy03: and you are trying to support him?

Logicboy03: You do realise that slavery in the bible was worse than the tranatlantic slave trade?

Logicboy03: Anyway, there is nothing to argue with you.
You remain a delusional catholic. A slave to a holy organisations filled with hypocrite pedophiles and homosexuals.

kmcutez: These types of slaves were the exception and not the norm. It clearly states that they were not even to be regarded as slaves, and also they were not to be resold like the regular slaves.

kmcutez: Here we begin to talk about the regular slaves which could be bought and resold, not those israelites that willingly sold themselves.

kmcutez: Also we see selective justice being carried out here, in that, all slaves apart from israeli slaves could be dealt with ruthlessly.

Kay 17: Logicboy and truthlight, pls stop derailing my thread! Ubenedictus, what do you have to say about this OP?

MostHigh: YOU ARE REACHING FOR STRAWS NOW

TWINSTING YOUR WORDS KE?

ABI YOU NO UNDERSTAND WETIN YOU DET TALK?

IT IS YOU AND YOUR FATHER THAT ARE THE DECIEVERS

FIRST YOU SAY HE IS INFALLIBLE BEING MADE HIGHER THAN ALL OTHER SONS OF GOD AND WAS PLACED THERE TO LORD OVER US. I QUOTE THE MASTER IN MATH 20:25, MARK 10:42 LUKE 22:25.

WE ARE EQUAL IN THE SIGHT OF THE MOSTHIGH GOD ONCE WE OVERCOME YOU AND YOUR FATHER WHICH IS THE WORLD REV 3:21.
FROM MATH 22:43-45 IS IT NOT CLEAR TO YOU IN THE KINGDOM IT IS LORD TO LORD?

WHO IS THIS OVERULER CLAIMING SUPIRIORITY? MUST BE LUCIFER THE SUN GOD (SUNDAY WORSHIP)
MAY THE WORDS OF YASHUA PURIFY YOU LIKE SILVER IN FIRE

YOU PROUDLY CLAIM YOUR FATHER AS THE ASSISTANT OR VICE OF GOD THE SON, AND THUS DIRECTLY CLAIMING TO BE GOD ON EARTH. BUT WHEN I ASKED YOU WHY THE VICE WHO HAS ALL POWERS LIKE HIS MASTER IS UNABLE TO HEAL LIKE HIS MASTER YOU SAY HE IS A HUMBLE SERVANT

WHICH ONE IS IT?

IS HE INFALLIBLE OR NOT?

EAT YOU CAKE AND HAVE IT THEN BURN IN HELL FIRE.

BEING INFALLIBLE COMES WITH THE GREATEST RESPONSIBILTY AS WE HAVE COME TO SEE ONLY THE MOST HIGH GOD IS INFALLIBLE EVEN YASHUA IBN JOSEPH NEVER CLAIMED TO BE INFALLIBLE
IN ALL HUMILITY HE ANSWERD EVERY QUESTION PUT FORTH TO HIM AND TOOK RESPONSIBILTY FOR ALL HIS ACTIONS AND WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL HIS SHEEP.

THEOLOGY 101: THE ASSISTANT OF THE MOST HIGH GOD ON EARTH IS IN OTHER WORDS GODS RIGHT HAND MAN ON EARTH AS WE CAN SEE IN THE EXAMPLE OF CHRIST YASHUA INB JOSEPH.PLEASE NOTE ACTS 7:55, MARK 16:19
UBENEDICTUS THE RIGHT HAND MAN OF GOD ON EARTH IS GOD ON EARTH GET IT?

PEACE LOVE AND JOY!!!

Ubenedictus: you really lack understanding, he isnt d owner of d church he is just d servant. christ himself has to heal d church cos only him can. u may continue to twist my words.

MostHigh: WHY CONTRADICT YOURSELF?

IF THE ASSISTANT OF CHRIST (IN THIS CASE YOUR POPE) IS AROUND THEN WHY DOES CHRIST HAVE TO STILL COME AND HEAL THE PEDO CHURCH FROM THIS DISGRACEFULL CRISES?

WHY CANT THE INFALLIBLE ASSISTANT OF YASHUA IBN JOSEPH SAVE THE DAY?

ITS BECAUSE HE IS FRAUD JUST LIKE THE DOCUMENT (DONATION OF CONSTANTINE) THAT SUPPOSEDLY GRANTED HIM THIS POWER AND TITLE

UBENEDICTUS THE VICE OF CHRIST IS CHRIST HIMSELF AND HE SITS AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER (DONT REMEMBER SEEING ANYONE SIT AT YASHUAS RIGHT HAND) WHICH IS WHAT YOU AND YOUR KIND ARE SUGGESTING.

PEACE LOVE AND JOY!!

Ubenedictus: dats d stuff, u guys want a full assault of the church, that isnt new, d jewish sahendrine and pharisees tried it, emperor nero also did, d list continues and they all died off and d church continue. Christ will heal d church of this crisis and long after u are dead d church will not fall 4 d master say "d gates of hell shall never prevail"

Ubenedictus: Christ will heal d church of this crisis

Logicboy03: Truthislight,

I can see that you are pained

Logicboy03: The truth about the bible is hurting you.

Logicboy03: Your God ordered genocides,

Logicboy03: molestation

Logicboy03: and regulated slavery.

Logicboy03: The verse you quoted puts slaves as property for life.

Logicboy03: You overlooked that to claim that such slavery wasnt that bad as the transatlantic slavery.

Logicboy03: Shameful that I know the bible more than you even though I am an atheist.

Logicboy03: The further this goes, the more embarrassing it becomes for you

Logicboy03: The isrealites got slaves by destroying other nations/civilizations and taking prisoners.


you are ignorant and I cant waste time with you.

Logicboy03: The isrealites got slaves by destroying other nations/civilizations and taking prisoners.


you are ignorant and I cant waste time with you.

Logicboy03: See this guy? After, you will claim that atheists quote out of context!!

Logicboy03: Did you miss the part in verse 47 where an isrealite still reatins his freedom and can be freed by his relative if he sells himself to a foreigner? Th bible does not give such rights to a non-isrealite slave as this kind of slave is a slave for life.

Kay 17: How would whites in the trans altantic slave trade period have interpreted this verses?! That it was morally right to enslave peoples besides your race??

Now I hope you see how important interpretations are?


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Logicboy03: The racists isrealites believed that they were the chosen people and felt that their people shouldnt be slaves. This is why they had time limits and jubilees for isrealites slaves/indentured servants.

Logicboy03: The slaves from other nations nko? The ones that had no freedom at all (stated in verse 44 that they were slaves for life)? The ones tthat could be beaten as long as they dont die?

Kay 17: However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

frosbel: Quite strange that this happening at the same time that this same Cardinal has asked the Vatican to allow Priests Marry in this Article

Some church insiders have started a personal vendetta against him.

This Catholic church is such a bundle of corruption and evil.

omonna78: Well, let's start with the ones already raised on this thread; the ones in which multiple answers are given by multiple Christians. From this thread, it is manifest that Christians have a monopoly on confusion.

cyrexx: @tpia,

You mind telling us exactly what the quoted bible verses meant by the word "heavens"

Damex333: wat ase those questions. Mayb u might find someone that will give u some answers.