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aurenflani: Frosbel why do you believe that lying against Islam is the way to go? If you want to conduct a research why is it that you are unable to be fair like Thomas Carlyle or Atleast someone like the reverend Bosworth Smith? You talked of the black stone as if it is an object of worship. Remember that the black stone is atop the grave of Hagar, Abraham's wife. A black woman from Egypt whose obedience to Allah in obeying His command elevated her status that whoever paid pilgrimage to the Kaaba has to kiss the stone atop her grave in other to show her love and respect for her selfless obedience. Also, remember how the second calipher Umar said before kissing the black stone when he led the pilgrimage, that the stone should not be proud and that it is only a stone. And that the only reason he would kiss it is because he Umar had seen the Holy Prophet kissed it. Yet you portrayed the black stone as a deity that Muslims worship.

You know very well that Muslims are the most monotheistic set of religious people on earth yet you continued with this lies! Is your salvation dependant on lies?

wiegraf: I'm not sure if one should reason with slaves. Seems to be of no benefit, really.

chukwudi44: @mosthigh

Sorry I thought I was talking to someone with some grey matter in his cranium.I didn't realise all you had there was just vegetable salad.

Evil Brain: Omar Al Basheer is a serving head if state and yet he has an arrest warrant on hisbhead. The moment he sets foot in any sensible, law-abiding country he's going to be arrested and flown to the Hague. I don't see why the pope should be any different.

Nobody is above the law. Let him defend himself in court.

ijawkid: So the pope now becomes the leader of an independent state??...is that what peter was??....let's not go there sha.......

If the pope has got so much immunity so as not to be free for arrest then I think something is really wrong........has he now become a political ruler or just a servant of Christ??...........this scenario is worse than that of the G.O's in nigeria who walk about with armed security men..........I can't believe that the pope is above the law.................


If the pope is found wanting of some crimes let him be arrested and tried............chikena.....

plaetton: You are such a dumb dumb.
If you had been reading the thread and with proper comprehension skills, You would not be parading such hollowness.
Quite frankly, I enjoy debating, but when a court jester steps in into a discussion, I get tired.

Ubenedictus asserted that the pope is neither responsible nor culpable because it is only the bishops that can oversee a priests and deal such matters.

So my question to him then was : How many pedofile priests did the bishops report and hand over the police for criminal prosecution over the many decades that the evil went on unabashed and unabated?

Ant then you started blabbing like a drunken parrot.

Is pedophilia not a criminal offence?
Are catholic priests immune from criminal law?

I wish you guys would just shut up.
You are making such a mockery of your so-called sacred faith.
Gosh .

ijawkid: I still can't understand why the pope can't be arrested or why he possesses so much immunity.....is he some kinda God or what??....even Jesus was arrested and so was his apostles......why can't the pope be arrested and tried if he is vicariously responsible for the child molestations going on in the church??..................why can't the pope be arrested oooo??...is he a king or a political ruler??.....smh!!!!....

rhymz: it is either you are a barefaced lier or you lack the common sense and knowledge of the bible's historicity. When they say the early church, which church do you think is being referred to? Evangelicals abi na Anglicans. . Lol. . The Early Church and fathers was the Roman Catholic Church and its many Bishops with dissenting views, some accepted the Christ story and some didn't. Go and read about the Niceen Creed to understand fully well who compiled the bible. The Empiror Constantine who was a Pagan, A mithra worshipper because of politics converted into christianity, made it a state religion and infused all manner of hellenistic pegan concept in it, including the believing in the death and ressurection of Jesus as atonement of sin, a concept obviously borrowed from the worship of the sun-God. That's why till this day, many Jewish will always have problem with the concept of Jesus Christ, his death, ressurection or existence. They know Jesus is far from the messiah of their tora and in actuality never existed. The christian purposely set the story to make the jews look bad hence, hence the wide anti-semitism of jewish people for killing their God.

rhymz: if only they knew how greatly distorted the so-called "holy bible" is, they will drop it and start asking some daring questions ot currently forbids them from asking.
Like who wrote those individual books that gathered up to become the bible. Who turned them canonical, some God or the catholic priests? I was born a catholic, I know a lot about their bullshyts and invention. They own the bible and anything christianity has got to claim.

striktlymi: Good evening truthislight,

Sorry about that! I felt some things are quite straight forward and a lot have been said on them in some other threads. But if you feel it needs to be addressed, I will be most grateful if you would help address it please.


Thank you!

nokia3310: Is it possible to discuss atheism without talking about the fallacies some ancient men compiled together and called it scriptures?

nokia3310:
2. Insincerity - i.e. Worshiping God with the scriptures you know its not from him

truthislight: Whose followers are christian?

Whose examples are christians suppose to follow?

If it is Jesus christ, then this is what Jesus christ preaching was about:

1. "And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent. " (Luke 4:43).

2. "And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him," (Luke 8:1).

3. "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. " (Matthew 24:14).

"And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. " (Mark 1:15).

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Well, that is the foundation that i have seen that Jesus himself laid, can another foundation be said to be of Jesus?

Well, Judged for yourselves.

Well, i hope we will not end up rewarding ourselves for not following christ example.

Joagbaje: Maybe I don't understand your definition of prosperity Gospel.maybe a case study will do the job. My understanding is that the gospel is prosperity both Spiritually and otherwise..it is living a life of dominion over sickness , Sin, Poverty etc. a total well being .

3 John 1:2
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

If I tell Christians to take a stand by faith against poverty and sickness For example .In what way does it affect their soul. Prosperity Is not about money it's about functioning in the fullness of life that christ brought to us through his death. , its about renewal of mind into inheritance in christ. Domininion over sickness ,sin,poverty,and every evil work of satan in their lives.

Every preacher have a God given reason for his message. If a pastor teach on marital bliss does it mean he has missed God. Or he is in error. Most of the time when someone hears prosperity he thinks its about money. Money it's only a part, if a man is suffering in his prayer life ,that's not prosperity. If a christian is unproductive in ministry that's not prosperity . If christian is suffering in penury that's not prosperity. If a man is bound by a bad habit or drug abuse that's certainly not prosperity. It's a total message. If we criticize one part we condemn the rest . We must function in all the will of God.

It's a pastor that knows the problem of his congregation and that shoes in his messages. And seminars. Ether is prayer conference , evangelism seminar. Marriage seminar . Healing programes. Single seminar or finance or business seminar. But to now condemn one aspect at the expense of another is not justified.

OLAADEGBU: You are missing the point here. No one is saying that prosperity is not for Christians. What we are stressing is that the so called "prosperity gospel" is at the expense of people's spiritual lives.

wordthots: Contentment has lost its place in our times. Now every christian wants to be a millionaire, but there's no such promise in the bible. Nowadays christians are decieved into doing all sorts of stuff (eg sow a certain amount to destroy poverty)
We 've put so much emphasis on the temporal, forgetting that there's so much more.
The order is seek first his kingdom and other things will be added. When we follow after God, he makes provisin for our needs to be met and bills paid ( not necessarily in millions)

Years back when preaching I used to present the gospel in a certain way. "If you have jesus you will never know poverty, sickness and you will live long". I tried using the prosperity aspect as a selling point for the gospel. How ignorant I was...
I recently read in the papers about a certain man hugh hefner (owner of playboy- a mag dat promotes immorality) and was amazed. The guy is rich, healthy and very old, and he is far from being saved (without judging its obvious). There are many pagans, atheists etc just like him.
You don't have to be a christian to be innovative and standout, I mean that's clear in our world today; an example is Japan, which has more idol worshippers than christians yet it has a good economy and it is very innovative.

The richest men in the world are atheists, buddhists and pagans not christians.
My point; there's so much more to christianity...

Joagbaje: No rather ask jesus.

Matthew 7:7
7 “ Ask, and it will be given to you. .

Joagbaje: Health and wealth false gospel? You're kidding . So what is your gospel , poverty and sickness ? Does that sound like good news. The gospel is good news of total salvation.

Psalms 35:27
“Let the Lord be magnified,
Who has pleasure in the prosperity of His servant.”

God has not changed dear . He always want us buoyant enough to help others. And he's not again your pleasure.

ooman: complete and total waste of time and space.

plaetton: JWs believe that they will inherit a brand new world when this present one is destroyed and rebuilt.

MacDaddy01: Yawn, is your understanding of the apostles not a result of the catholics choosing what books in the new testament to put?

chukwudi44: Yes if catholicism is false then christianity is
false.

chukwudi44: catholics have had the grteatest influence in xtian history from selecting the books of the bible

chukwudi44: Catholics deciding key doctrinal issues!!

chukwudi44: The gospels were anonymous,it was the catholic church that told the rest of christiandom who wrote them

chukwudi44: .yes if the catholics are wrong then the gospels are wrong

chukwudi44: and xtianity is also wrong!!!

plaetton: Thank you.

Goshen360: ^ Na so our brother dey rake since yesterday o.

potentpraise: tithes and offering is the same

potentpraise: Where is the commandment thats says you must pay offering in NT? You are the blackest kettle calling pot black.. The biggest fraud you are

potentpraise: Go and call your boss Goshen and let adult talk when small boy like you watch so you can learn from the expert.
The problem with you and many others on this forum is English is your second language and i agree, but you need to work hard to understand English comprehension.
English is more than read and write... It takes time to learn to understand what it meant, especially if its written. Unlike spoken word where you can denote from expression of tone of pronunciation, written words are different