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potentpraise: Now i know you are defending your boss.. but before you defend go read i say read from the beginning.. There are different ways a man can concede defeat or argree. First by word and second by action e.g
yes,
just take a bow
shift to another topic

When we start discussing Goshen changed the topic twice and its a sign that he conceded and he was also talking about offering being acceptable... How could you say tithes which is under the old commandment is abolished and offering which is also under the same old law is not abolished.. There is something wrong then. Its either you don't know what you are saying, or you are wasting my time

There are instructions for voluntary offering in the NT.

Show me the instruction for tith? None.

You better be careful.

potentpraise: On what basis? I guess your opinion is authority? You can not even argue yourself out.. No reference, no authority but opinion.. That is why Nigeria is backward, because people just do things without first thinking, research, but think it will work.. you are an example of such product

what have i said that you think is not in the bible, point it out and i will show it to you.

I was thinking you have the scriptures upstairs.

Please point out what i have said that is not in the bible.

potentpraise: I told you before that before you argue read all the text and not just be picking one of my comment at the end of the discussion?

Have you read the following in your bible?



The above text made us to understand that there are more than one law/commandment so there are commandments... If you bring any questions without first reading from the beginning you will be wasting your time, because, i can not be rewrting what i have written to addressed similar questions and if you need clarification humbly ask, but that must be after you have read all my comments from the inception of this thread, including questions asked.

You are too blind from all you are saying to even understand the NT.

All the law is fulfill in one word = love.

1. The greatest is love of God.

2. Love of neighbour.

If you love God you will not go against what he hates. You will do only what he likes = love of God.


If you love your neighbour you will not go against what he hates, you will not steal his property, You will do only what he likes and do to him what you will want him to do to you = love of neighbour and golden rule.

Who is your neighbour? = all human.

This ^^ law is written in the heart of "christians".

Read your bible (NT) again, this time drop the greed for money aside.

Greed has blinded you.

"Do what is had work with your hands, so that you will have enough for your self and what to give to others"

dont always see money anytime you see the bible.
Peace.

potentpraise: So interprets to me though shall not serve other gods except the the Lord they God that brought you out from the land of Egypt
with though shall love the love the lord thy God with all they heart and might? If the first was totally abolished, why do we still have to love God, since the law was in the old?

Though shall not fornicate or commit adultery in the NT and OT though shall not convert thy neighbors wife, please tell me why we have it in New?
When you all read your bible and think you know it all, without attending bible study or stay under the tutelage of a biblical scholar you read a verse and you think you are an expert of the bible.. i wonder why people get PhD if undergraduate was good enough?

Go read the NT, all that christians need to know and do is there.

Stop twisting.

There is no instruction to christians to tith in the NT.

You cannot preach what christ apostles did not preach.

potentpraise: If tithes is stealing what is offering?

there is an instruction to make offering for christians in the NT.

There is no instruction for christians to tith. QED.

Frauds like you will always go beyond what is written.

Ole. Take your exploit elsewhere.

Your type give bad name in excess to christianity.

potentpraise: I wonder how you come from the space and start addressing remains of explanation. Where in all my text did you see me quoting Malachi 3?, Who talk about Melchisedec asking for tithes?

Please before you jump into argument start by reading from the beginning of the thread, don't just jump from the middle of a conclusive paragraph to think you have the whole idea of what has been discussed in the introduction and body of an essay... I wonder where this half baked learned Nigeria is from? You just from no where with no principle of comprehension to start discussing issues that have been fully addressed from the on start of the discussion at the bottom of it

In NL, we dont welcome tith thieves.

That you went and opened a new ID by Dec. 2012 To come talk about tith fraud will not help your fraudulent stance.

Why not go get a job so that you can feed?

If every christian was to be like you who then will pay for your fraudulent christian tith?

You see, the bible says that, he that will not work, neither let him eat, hungry criminals like you are never ashamed of begging for money from people, on the road, in the bus and in the churches.

The message of christ is lost on you since all you preach is extortion.

No instruction for christian tithing but you are demanding for it.

Thief! Ole!

potentpraise: I wonder how you come from the space and start addressing remains of explanation. Where in all my text did you see me quoting Malachi 3?, Who talk about Melchisedec asking for tithes?

Please before you jump into argument start by reading from the beginning of the thread, don't just jump from the middle of a conclusive paragraph to think you have the whole idea of what has been discussed in the introduction and body of an essay... I wonder where this half baked learned Nigeria is from? You just from no where with no principle of comprehension to start discussing issues that have been fully addressed from the on start of the discussion at the bottom of it

In NL, we dont welcome tith thieves.

That you went and opened a new ID by Dec. 2012 To come talk about tith fraud will not help your fraudulent stance.

Why not go get a job so that you can feed?

If every christian was to be like you who then will pay for your fraudulent christian tith?

You see, the bible says that, he that will not work, neither let him eat, hungry criminals like you are never ashamed of begging for money from people, on the road, in the bus and in the churches.

The message of christ is lost on you since all you preach is extortion.

No instruction for christian tithing but you are demanding for it.

Thief! Ole!

potentpraise: Apparently you just woke up. Its so disappointing that people like you wake up in the middle of sleep and start arguing blindly. I am still taken aback with the way you reason and not precise? How could you be asking a redundant questions... what does my statement has to do with all your questions ?

i take it that you dont have an answer then.

potentpraise: i gave you Ananias and Sapphira story.. what else do you want?
You want me to give you paul scenario... This is what real christian pastor should go through when it comes to tithes and offering

Philippians 4:15-19

15 Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only.

16 For even in Thessalonica ye sent once and again unto my necessity.

17 Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account.

18 But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God.

19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

This guy is a fraud!

Are those the commandment to pay tith in the NT?

Was that the way the commandment to pay tith was made in the OT?

What rut is all this?

You people should change your crooked ways.

There is no command/instruction to pay tith in the NT, but you must twist the scriptures.

potentpraise: Dont worry i understand how you feel... You have never seen anyone who match you this way... I am glad that you are indirectly confessing and admitting that you have been wrong all this while.

I personally think your concern is not actually the tithes, but you are deeply concern about the management of tithes in most churches today.. But that may be for another topic.
But as for tithing it is real and it is still part of it.

i really do detest fraudulent talkers like this ^ when he does not himself know much.

Boasting in error!

potentpraise: You see there are many thing you need clarification on. Also i saw that you don't have a pastor or spiritual mentor, i think you need to have one.
The bible is to complex for you and don't expect God to teach you everything. He wants you to learn from others, then you compare your bible one after the other.

First i need to teach you many things, but i can not teach a student who have refused to learn even before the teacher opens his mouth.

you dont even know what the bible teach and you want to teach another?

If a blind man leads a blind man where will they end? = a pit.

potentpraise: You are back again, you brother Goshen has agreed with me that tithes still reign supreme in our christian lives.

where did Goshen say such?

You seem to lie with ease.
*sigh*

potentpraise: Amen and Thank you very much for being blessed through this forum. May God continue to bless you and teach you his word the more.

but you were wrong in saying that we should keep the law.

We have a new commandment = love.

Take note that you are under a curse for keeping only part of the law.

potentpraise: We are not under the law and also the abolishment of the Law does not necessarily mean all have been cancelled, but some of the specific things like sacrifice of burnt, peace, trespass and sin offerings. Also the Aaronic priesthood has been abolish, but most of the other things are intact. For instant, paying of thither, you should not kill, you should not convert your neighbors wife, you should not steal from your neighbor, you should keep the Sabbath day holy, you should not lie or bear false witness all these are part of Moses commandments that the New Testament still uphold.

You should not worship other gods but the Almighty God its still valid today... because there is an update to a particular application does that mean the application is not valid after the update?

^^
error.
the law has been abolished.

We have a new commandment = love, according to christ.

You cannot keep part of the commandment and leave some, else you will be under a curse.

Even what that relate to christians were repeated in the NT.

Snowwy: @OP, I think you already know the answer, it is in your question.

@Goshen,
You never cease to surprise me. We have had a discussion on this and you dissappeared when you ran out of contradicting yourself. I will advise you leave matters you do not understand. It is just candid advise.

^^

It is actually you that is bent on exploiting people that need to desist from it.

It is my candid advice that you desist from it.

potentpraise: First i think you should stop confusing yourself and stop arguing blindly... English is not your language of birth and even if it is, PhD's in English language also referrers to dictionary for words that they don't understand or need clarification. For you to come and say tenth meant different thing after a dictionary just prove that its the same as tithes say something about you...

Secondly i think you are jumping everywhere to argue out yourself. If you do not understand english word, use dictionary and if you need clarification on comprehension which i understand that many of us do, especially if you are reading from King James version ask people who know and don't argue. Not everything that one does not understand one should argue, argument only comes when you are sure and have facts to buttress your point. Also a good learner is the one that saw that his argument has been defused and take correction or do more research to establish his advance thought on the same subject matter. No just argue for argument sake

i think it is you that have the problem on this issue.

See:

"And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth." (Hebrews 7:8 ).
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1. who were the "men that die" that receive tith in the former arrangement?

2. And in the next/new/"there" dispensation as opposed to the "here", do "men that die" still collect tith?

3. If "men that die" still collect tith, why was the reference "men that die" used as a distinguishing mark for the old and new order?

Please explain, am waiting.
Peace.

potentpraise: If you see that the priesthood was related to Melchisedec and it was reference that he collected tithes and the order of Melchisedec is related to Jesus.. You should also know the author was more concern about the Israelite to see Jesus as the new priest.

So if its reference to Melchisedec and he also collected tithes, the tithes is not abolished.

Was the commandment to collect tith given to melchizedec or to levitical priest?

How does the law affect melchizedec collection of tenth from Abraham?

Will the levite also have collected tith if not that the law commanded it?

If not that the law commanded it why do you quote malachi 3?

Did melchizedec ask for the tent that abraham paid to him?

What you are asking for(tith) is because of the law, otherwise, dont ask for it and dont quote malachi law, do like melchizedec, dont ask just like melchizedec did not ask for his

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Who is this blatant liar in NL?

How can this be the answer to the question if Hebrews7 made reference to commandment?

potentpraise: First i am not dodging your question and i think with your second question you are been very specific.

The answer to your second question is NO... This is usage of plural and singular in a sentence. "ALL ARE COMMANDMENTS"
Chapter 7 verse 8 of Hebrew was specific as to COMMANDMENT(plural) no "S" So all it was talking about was the change of priesthood

are you sure you are a "christian"?

Are you not aware that liars will not inherit Gods kingdom?

The levite through the law have the "commandment to collect tith".

(Hebrews 7:5).
"And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:" (Hebrews 7:5).
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^^^

where was this commandment written?

Was it not in the law that was given to the sons of Israel that the levites had the commandment to collect tith?

What then exactly is he trying to say?

Na wao!

Some kind "christians"!
*smh*

prairie: mods i recommend stryklytmi's thread 'just a thought' for fp. I think its good food for thought for christians

Na today!

so anxious you even forgot to post the thread/link? .

Ok mod, send all of "stryklytmi's thread to the FP".

Goshen360: ^
My brother, you'll soon see then evading your questions o. Watch out!

me, i will call a thief a thief.

We are suppose to say and stand for the truth like Jesus did.

JIL: Your gut must be made of steel and baked in a furnace of greed. I wonder how you guys sleep at night.

It was chaps like you Paul was talking about when he talked about those who peddle the word of God for profit.

Your antecedents are known here. Those who know their left from their right don't take people like you seriously.

How did you come to know this much?

Well, you seems to be very observant.

@Oladegbu and Image123.

The NT is the christian guide and was written for christians, or was the OT written for christians? No.

So, can you show us the instruction in the NT that instructed that christians are to pay tith though they are not to make animal offering/sacrifice and physical circumcision but should continue to pay tith?

This ^^ were standards in the OT.

I am awaiting your comment.

It is what the apostles of christ says that we take as christians, No?

Ezekiel 33:12-20


The Fairness of God’s Judgment

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12 “Therefore you, O son of man, say to the children of your people: ‘The righteousness of the righteous man shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression; as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall because of it in the day that he turns from his wickedness; nor shall the righteous be able to live because of his righteousness in the day that he sins.’ 13 When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his own righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die. 14 Again, when I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ if he turns from his sin and does what is lawful and right, 15 if the wicked restores the pledge, gives back what he has stolen, and walks in the statutes of life without committing iniquity, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 16 None of his sins which he has committed shall be remembered against him; he has done what is lawful and right; he shall surely live.

17 “Yet the children of your people say, ‘The way of the Lord is not adjusted right, But it is their way which is not adjusted right! 18 When the righteous turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, he shall die because of it. 19 But when the wicked turns from his wickedness and does what is lawful and right, he shall live because of it. 20 Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not adjusted right!, O house of Israel, I will judge every one of you according to his own ways.”

Ezekiel 33:12-20


The Fairness of God’s Judgment

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12 “Therefore you, O son of man, say to the children of your people: ‘The righteousness of the righteous man shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression; as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall because of it in the day that he turns from his wickedness; nor shall the righteous be able to live because of his righteousness in the day that he sins.’ 13 When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his own righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die. 14 Again, when I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ if he turns from his sin and does what is lawful and right, 15 if the wicked restores the pledge, gives back what he has stolen, and walks in the statutes of life without committing iniquity, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 16 None of his sins which he has committed shall be remembered against him; he has done what is lawful and right; he shall surely live.

17 “Yet the children of your people say, ‘The way of the Lord is not adjusted right, But it is their way which is not adjusted right! 18 When the righteous turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, he shall die because of it. 19 But when the wicked turns from his wickedness and does what is lawful and right, he shall live because of it. 20 Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not adjusted right!, O house of Israel, I will judge every one of you according to his own ways.”

Saw this on another thread, though it is a well known fact, but i decided to post it here for any that wish to refresh his brain on what had happened in the middle ages.

https://www.nairaland.com/1104124/problem-catholism-an-introspection/10#14272365

it is also available on a search of the inquisition.

viruz007: Ogbeni I posted twice... 1 focused on the Op's initial posts and another showing the dark moments of the church... yet I ask again? y did d church hinder the translation of the bible from Latin Vulgate?

My friend, what you posted is well and fine, it is a function of who ng and his mind set.

I for one took it seriously, but not everyone will.

Your part is done.
Peace.

Enigma: ^^^ The apocrypha are not of the devil necessarily; it is just that Christians are divided on whether to have them or not. Some other Christian denominations which are not Roman Catholics still have them.

Interestingly even the King James Bible always had the apocrypha and they were only removed by some denominations much later.

the apocriphals contradicts the words of christ apostles, the NT(bible) and was not written by christ postles.

The writings of christ apostles was and is the christian guide.

The word of God does not contradict itself.

rezzy: Jesus prayed to God, yes! I know that, but the word worship is found in the original greek script. Pls why the change? I need an answer to it cos my colleagues at work couldnt give me an answer o. And besides, trinity does not bother me. My own is to serve God with my whole heart, keep his commandments and make heaven on the last day.


We have one God, who manifest in three places


But i tot the bible was written by the inspiration of God, so if God has inspired Matthew to use the word worship, why must it be changed?

If i bother with you, i will derail this thread.

I advised you to seek for another thread.

Can you show evidence for this statement:

rezzy: but the word worship is found in the original greek script. Pls why the change?

And again, which manuscript are you talking about?

* The original greek manuscript of the 1ce?

* The translated latin manuscript of the 4/5th ce?

* The later latin manuscripts ?

Dont forget that the bible was by force kept in latin for over 1000years, and any effort to translate was met with death as a penalty.

Can you then please show the manuscript that contain Hebrews 1:6 as "worship"?
And, does the word have only one conotation if any?

Meanwhile, (thinking aloud)

* Why was it refused to translate the latin manuscript to other language (manuscript) when other older manuscript was still around? *

WAS THERE AN AGENDER? !!

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Ubenedictus: no my dear! I just heard d accusation by enigma, i simply asked oga truth to tell me if enigma is lying. And up till now he has refused to ansa.

Like i have said, i dont know, i dont know, i dont know!!!

But if any translation should do such a thing to ensure that the consistency of the bible stands out i will applaud such a translation.

The truth of the word of God must be seen by people so that they can be saved. (not lies)

(1 Timothy 2:3-4).
"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." (1 Timothy 2:3-4)