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Kay 17: You didn't answer my question still

Kay 17: Where are the interpretational rules of Bible??

chukwudi44: @truthislight

Stopb blabbing!! The canon of the scriptures which the catholic church gave the bible didn't exist until the fourth century.The word bible never exixted before then.

The books in the bible are not the only scriptures that were written.Get that into your head.

chukwudi44: @truthislight

Stopb blabbing!! The canon of the scriptures which the catholic church gave the bible.The word bible never exixted before then

Kay 17: Hmmm

@regy and italo

The Church structure is still intact today in form of the Catholic Church. All other churches find their therefrom.

italo: When did this "totality of the children of God under one umbrella" give us the Bible and under what umbrella was it?

italo: ...And I believe the source of Truth is God. Infact Jesus is Truth himself.

God says through St. Paul in 1Tim 3:15 that "the CHURCH (not the Bible) is the pillar and foundation of truth."

The Bible says in 1Tim 3:15 that "the Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth."

Why are you then rebelling against God and his word by implying that it is the Bible?

How can you then use the Bible against the Church when the Bible clearly says 'go to the Church for TRUTH?"

Reyginus: I don't think their is any need to work with multiple verses when the scene being played out is not fulfilling a particular verse. When we begin to explain verses like this, we deprive every portion of the bible the previlege of independent meaning.

Kay 17: However the Church came before the Bible

italo: You will be judged because The Catholic Church which Jesus founded to teach you; which wrote the new testament; which gave you the Bible; which the Bible says is the pillar and foundation of the truth; which brought the faith to the world...has told you some of the things which are not recorded in the Bible but are the word of God, but you have rejected them, saying: "where is it in the Bible?"

plappville: Hahahahaha...... you mouth close? You go fear gospel for NL....freedom to fornicate etc... am sure our unmarried brethren will be enjoying this thread...God have merci!!!

Logicboy03: dafuq?

Reyginus: Good News Bible Version.
Maybe, we have to try the NLT bible version then.
From NLT
' Those who disobeyed God long ago when God waited patiently while Noah was building his boat. Only eight people were saved from drowing in that terrible flood'.
The reference here is still on the people who disobeyed the instructions God gave Noah to pass on.

Kay 17: @Regy

I just feel the discourse will be more focussed if the role of the Bible is talked about. Cos you seem to base all your criticism on the foundations of Catholicism for failing to adhere entirely to the Bible.

Reyginus: Truth, I think we would have to understand who that scripture was refering to before any further thing. As far as I can tell, symbolism was not employed in that passage. Their is no need to cut and join scripture in this case. I think the verse is too direct for that.

Reyginus: No, Ijawkid. That I defined the soul as '..the state of existence..' doesn't entail what you're insinuating. Certainly not.
I think it's time I quote verse 20
'These were the spirits of those who had not obeyed God when he waited patiently during the days that noah was building his boat. The few people in the boat-eight in all-were saved by the water'.
Let's be sincere please. What do you understand by the first sentence in that verse?

prairie: @striktlymi, u neednt bother about what I mean, just keep your faith alive, I might be wrong but all in all may the peace of the lord be with u. P.S I'm a head-strong female ;-)

striktlymi: Good evening prairie,

You are breaking my heart

Soft hearted is cool but a 'head strong' lady is da bomb iff she knows how too channel her 'stubborness'.

Anyways your concerns are well taken and I assure you that I am Christian and will always be one.


Thank you!

italo: So what about the things that Jesus and the apostles said that weren't recorded in the Bible?

Are they useless or are they also a basis for judgement?

Logicboy03: Thanks. What is your decision on my thread that should be stickied?


I feel that extra rules are applied to atheists before they get their way

okeyxyz: Jude was talking about people who used the liberty of the gospel as excuse to indulge in their abuse of proper sense and wisdom. This is not what I am advocating. Yes, we are free from sin does not mean we can disregard propriety. There is still reward and punishment for the choices you make, Therefore Work out your salvation in fear and trembling..., There is a proper way to do everything under the sun, likewise there is an improper way and each has it's results whether for good or for bad. The important thing is that you are now responsible for your choices. There is moral s.ex which is s.ex between two consenting male and female..., of which taking another man's wife is not, neither is homo/bi-se.xuality, bestiality, etc.




I believe i have addressed this in my previous reply to you, through pauls teachings in romans 6:1-...

Goshen360: I've decided to call my Christian brothers and sisters to what I called, sanctified Holy Ghost thinking and/or reasoning

okeyxyz: #If we are in grace, then We are unable to sin because sin(The Law) no longer has a place in our hearts. This was the emphasis of Paul:
1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?...(Romans 6:1-... )

How can we continue to sin when we are dead to sin? It is impossible!! It is no longer by effort that we are unable to sin but that sin no longer dwells in our conscience such that those things we used to regard as sin as defined by the law are no longer sin because the law is no longer valid.




Fornication means impure se.x, s.ex not done in the proper manner. The corinthian man tooks his father's wife, a woman legally married to another man, and without the man's consent, therefore was offensive both in a secular and spiritual perspective. But sex between two mutally consenting, unmarried adults CANNOT be sin. It is a gift, it is your nature to be enjoyed, your body demands it, etc.

okeyxyz: My point is that sin is the act of trying to still keep the laws and commandments because they still dwell in your conscience, you have not fully excised yourself from the law. But for any christian is has achieved this, then it is impossible for him to sin. Take me for instance: I don't need marriage as a certificate to have s.ex with a woman, because what we call marriage today was a definition according to the law, though trying to imitate god but only in "shadows"...So when I break that law, I have not sinned because that law is dead to me.

Goshen360: My brother, this your teaching is VERY VERY DANGEROUS. I read it from side-line last night while in bed but I couldn't reply because it was sleep o'clock. How can you say something like this? The reason we fellowship together and scrutinize one another is to stem wrong teachings. The Bereans did same to Apostle Paul. Like Mr. Anony said, this your teaching is wrong bro. Yes, I'm not a law teacher and the strength of sin is the law but Grace however is not a license to continue to sin but Grace is empowerment NOT to continue to sin.

How can you say s.ex without marriage (cannot be sin) is NOT fornication just because someone is in Christ? A Christian can sin even when such is in Christ, that is, it's possible for a Christian to sin (miss the mark or go off the mark or track) when in Christ but we don't GO ON SINNING. The Corinthians Christian, some while in Christ even sleep with their father's wife etc. That doesn't mean they're not Christians anymore but they missed the mark and committed se.xual immorality. When did Apostle Paul, a Grace preacher tell them it's not sin?

Pastor Kun: Do you attend Christ embassy

okeyxyz: ##Before I answer, I need to make you aware of "A Wisdom" here. First, you need to understand that there were two versions of Jesus when he walked the earth. The first version was the jesus who preached and kept The Law, because his mission was to come to "fulfill" the law. So until he fulfills it, he could not speak against this law. Then there was the jesus who spoke against the law, but because the law was still legally subsisting, He would speak in parables(hidden), thus not breaking the law that he came to "fulfill". So Jesus has since fulfilled this law by becoming the personification of the law and dying, and by dying, he has put the law to death, and this is the era of grace.

so to answer your questions:

##(1A) According to the law: Means what it says literaly

According to grace, Confess your sins means: renounce the law as your standard of righteousness, for the law itself is the sin.

##(2A) According to the law means what it says literally

According to grace Sin no more means: submit yourself to grace, not to sin(The law)


But christians today are still stuck-up to that "good" jesus who kept the law literally, but they fail to decode the revelations of his parables which was the real mission and true gospel. Thus Paul wrote that we no longer recognize that jesus of human morales:
Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him in this way no longer(2 Corinthians 5:16 ).

Remember when a certain ruler addressed Jesus as Good Teacher? What was jesus answer to him?
And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone(Luke 18:19 ).

This would give you the idea that our morale standards of right is actually wrong in the eyes of god.

okeyxyz: Everything you write above is all abstract, but you have not nailed it down to reality...

A christian is simply someone who is free from sin through faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. For the law which condemns us of sin are now abolished. With the law no longer in the way, so likewise is sin no longer in the way.
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law(1 Corinthians 15:56 );

It is impossible for you to sin.
No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God(1 john 3:9 )

Therefore All-Things you used to think were sins(makes you unworthy of godhood) are no longer sins, and you are set free to go as you please. So se.x without marriage cannot be sin, drinking alcohol cannot be sin, gambling cannot be sin, smoking cannot be sin, etc
...FOR THE EARTH IS THE LORD’S, AND ALL IT CONTAINS(1 Corinthians 10:26 )

You are left to your own senses to use this new found freedom as you please. You can either use it wisely to your own profit or foolishly to your own loss and sorrows,
All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify(1 Corinthians 10:23 )

but they are not sins for it is impossible for god to sin.

christemmbassey: tnx for explaining my post in other words.

Reyginus: What are we then talking about. What do now make of the place christ preached to?

Kay 17: I didnt intend to say much, however Regy, you are making a single mistake: the role of the Bible. You seem to judge the Catholics for not strictly following the Bible to the letter as Pentecostals are expected to.

So you ought to have started explaining what the appropriate role of the Bible ought to be and why. And then your regular critique should have followed.

Rich4god: Isaiah 4:4 ...When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion and cleansed the bloodstains of Jerusalem from its midst by a spirit of judgment and by a spirit of burning.
Matthew 12:32 ... And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
Zechariah 9:11 ... As for you also, because of the blood of my covenant with you, I will set your captives free from the waterless pit.

italo: The Bible is not the judge because the Bible is a book that any fool can read and misinterprete in any way that suits him/her (as you are doing).

God is the only one who sees the hearts of men. Obviously, you disagree.

Even the men who wrote the books of the Bible are judged by God.

Rich4god: What about it... Tell me what we added to the word of God...