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ooman: There are fake believers because the whole idea of God is fake and genetically engineered by early men. You still follow primitive thinking and live in the primitive way of life.

When will you wake up to the truth that there is no God. There is only us and things that we can see and work with.

You are suffering from the problem of a "vicious infinite regress" that your finite mind cannot comprehend.

infinite regress" has re-engineered your brain.

You need a redress big time.
My sympathy.
Peace

debosky: But it 'proof' - in the sense that gene mutation is one of the mechanisms by which evolution is thought to take place. The 'process' has been demonstrated to exist and function.

By definition, the significant time lengths required for an 'entirely different' species to emerge is not observable within a laboratory setting, so all you can do is establish the principle.

A corollary would be half life - for example Uranium (U-238) has a half life of over 4bn years - now I am sure you wouldn't request 'proof' of this by a laboratory experiment lasting 4bn years for you to 'accept' half life, or would you?

how does the half life of Uranium a none living matter corolate with the mutations of living things to form a new percie over time?

The fact that the half life of uranium is 4bn years, does it change uranium to another matter?

Is it just the duration that you are fanticising?

But the practicality of it is shown in the lab and as such is used for nuclear reaction, energy source(reactor) even weapons and others.

Where is a closeness of such ^^^ for living things?

Dont we know that the life of living things are driven from/by a force unknown to man? How then does man come to know how this force come to work and be in the process of diversity of living things/inception?

I dont know why all this pro evolutionary always sounds as though they have a brain suspense some where.
*sigh*

Joeiordye: Yeah! If that would save me from being narrow minded and thinking i'm the only 'right man' in the world.

yea!

That sounds familiar.

We have so many of them that fed from the same source you were fed from that ended up that way.

1. Logic boy.
2. Calloti
to mention just two.

We are what we eat some times you know?

by frosbel.

This was very insightful on the question of eternal torment in fire:

https://www.nairaland.com/1145151/thirty-questions-teachers-eternal-torment#13587208

Joeiordye: Religious arguements everywhere. I was born by catholic parents and brought up likewise. I do not accept all catholic docterines but i condmn no one. I also attend pentecostal churches. Whatever u choose to believe in is solely ur business, claim right as far as u want. I am convinced dat d person who wrote this, must have written worse things about pentecostals as a catholic. Religious fundamentalism. U r either born wit it or u turn urself into one.

what next will you turn into? Atheist?

ijawkid: Didn't he support those words with the scriptures??..............

Who is a pastor??......

How does this ^^^ words relate with this below:

jmoore: Jesus words? from which verse?

@jmoore
what were you replying to in @ijawkid comment above?

MostHigh: Truthislight REGARDING YOUR REFERENCE TO THE PRIESTS OF THE FUTURE KINGDOM.
1. YOU CANNOT JUST SAY YOU ARE A PRIEST PROPHET KING WITHOUT ORDINANCES
2. VISIBLY WE CAN SEE ONLY 2 PRIESTHOODS IN THE BIBLE LEVITE AND NAZARITE, BOTH ARE BOUND BY THE LAWS OF THE MOST HIGH AND BOTH ARE VISIBLY LAWFULL IN THE MILLENIAL KINGDOM
3. LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE CREATED IN YOU OWN MIND A PRIESTHOOD THAT IS ALIEN TO ISREAL ABI HAVE YOU NOT READ THAT ISREAL IS TO BE REBORN?

SO WHICH PRIESTHOOD DO YOU BELONG TO AND WHAT ARE THE ORDINANCES OF THIS YOUR PRIESTHOOD?
ABI UNA NO GET ORDINANCE?
OR YOU ARE WAITING FOR HIS RETURN BEFORE YOU START TO LEARN THE ROPES? OR TO PUT IT BETTER LIVE RIGHT IF NA SO DEN YOU GO MISS ROAD O.

THINK CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU RESPOND AND PLS USE THE WORDS OF YASHUA TO CONVICT.

PEACE LOVE AND JOY!!!

think what?

You are twisting the scriptures, i have shown you the arrangement of the almighty for the future and you want me to "think and ordinance" what?

Cant you show me why what i have shown you from the scripture is wrong?

Keep deceiving yourself that Israelite levite will be the priest in God's kingdom when i have shown you what Yahweh's plans are.

^^^^^

My friend, what really is your interest? are you a Jew?

You have said a lot of things, but it seems you are trying to bend scriptures to suit a certain doctrin that is not supported by the (bible) new convanant.

MostHigh: PLS TELL US YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE MILLENNIAL REIGN. WITH SCRIPTURAL REFERENCE , AND LETS MOVE FOREWARD.

THE TEMPLE OF THE MILLENNIAL KINGDOM IS DESCRIBED IN DETAIL IN EZEKIEL CHAPTERS 40-44. ALTHOUGH WE WILL NOT GO INTO THE DETAILS HERE, WE WILL MENTION A FEW KEY POINTS. THE GLORY OF THE LORD WILL FILL THE TEMPLE (EZEKIEL 43:5). THE LAW GIVEN BY GOD THROUGH MOSES WILL STILL BE KEPT INCLUDING THE SACRIFICES (EZEKIEL 43:19-27). THE LEVITES WILL STILL MINISTER IN THE TEMPLE (EZEKIEL 44:9-11). THE LAWS AND STATUTES DELIVERED BY MOSES WILL BE OBEYED (EZEKIEL 44:24). EZEKIEL 44:25 AND 31 SHOW FURTHER EVIDENCE THAT SOME DEATH OF PEOPLE AND ANIMALS CAN AND WILL OCCUR IN THE KINGDOM. THE SABBATHS AND FEASTS OF THE ISRAEL WILL STILL BE KEPT INCLUDING THE PASSOVER, THE FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD (EZEKIEL 45:21), AND THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES (EZEKIEL 45:25). IT WILL BE WELL KNOWN BY ALL THAT JESUS CHRIST GAVE HIS LIFE AS THE PERFECT SACRIFICE FOR ALL MANKIND. NONE-THE-LESS, THE PROPHECY REVEALS THAT THE SACRIFICES WILL STILL BE KEPT AND THE LAW OF MOSES STRICTLY FOLLOWED.


“AND YE SHALL BE UNTO ME A KINGDOM OF PRIESTS, AND AN HOLY NATION...” (EX. 19: 6). THIS IS THE FIRST REFERENCE TO THE KINGDOM AS IT IS RELATED TO GOD

"THUS SAITH THE LORD OF HOSTS; IT SHALL YET COME TO PASS, THAT THERE SHALL COME PEOPLE, AND THE INHABITANTS OF MANY CITIES: AND THE INHABITANTS OF ONE CITY SHALL GO TO ANOTHER, SAYING, LET US GO SPEEDILY TO PRAY BEFORE THE LORD, AND TO SEEK THE LORD OF HOSTS: I WILL GO ALSO. YEA, MANY PEOPLE AND STRONG NATIONS SHALL COME TO SEEK THE LORD OF HOSTS IN JERUSALEM, AND TO PRAY BEFORE THE LORD. THUS SAITH THE LORD OF HOSTS; IN THOSE DAYS IT SHALL COME TO PASS, THAT TEN MEN SHALL TAKE HOLD OUT OF ALL LANGUAGES OF THE NATIONS, EVEN SHALL TAKE HOLD OF THE SKIRT OF HIM THAT IS A (JEW), SAYING, WE WILL GO WITH YOU: FOR WE HAVE HEARD THAT GOD IS WITH YOU" (ZECHARIAH 8:20-23). PLS NOTE THE WORD JEW HERE



JEREMIAH 31:33-34
33 "BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE IT ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE. 34 "NO MORE SHALL EVERY MAN TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND EVERY MAN HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR THEY ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM, SAYS THE LORD. FOR I WILL FORGIVE THEIR INIQUITY, AND THEIR SIN I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE." PLEASE NOTE THE WORD LAW HERE


GOD HAS MADE PROVISION FOR THE ELECT GENTILES BY GRAFTING THEM WITH PRECEDING BELIEVERS (ROM. 11).

ALTHOUGH GOD ALLOWED ISRAEL TO CHOOSE THEIR KING, GOD SAFEGUARDED THE PRINCIPLE OF KINGSHIP IN A MONARCHICAL GOVERNMENT UNDER KING DAVID (DEUT. 17: 14-20). THE KING WAS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE TO GOD, AND THE PEOPLE WERE NO LESS RESPONSIBLE THAN THEIR KING.

ISAIAH ALSO SAYS, ISAIAH 56:7 “EVEN THEM I WILL BRING TO MY HOLY MOUNTAIN, AND MAKE THEM JOYFUL IN MY HOUSE OF PRAYER. THEIR BURNT OFFERINGS AND THEIR SACRIFICES WILL BE ACCEPTED ON MY ALTAR; FOR MY HOUSE SHALL BE CALLED A HOUSE OF PRAYER FOR ALL NATIONS."

ISA 66:23 "AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS THAT FROM ONE NEW MOON TO ANOTHER, AND FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER, ALL FLESH SHALL COME TO WORSHIP BEFORE ME," SAYS THE LORD. ISA. 66:23 TEACHES THAT WE WILL KEEP THE SABBATH, IT ALSO TEACHES WE WILL KEEP THE NEW MOON FESTIVAL! THIS IS ON EARTH IN THE MILLENNIUM PERIOD- NOT IN HEAVEN."

THE NEW MOON FESTIVALS, THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES, AND THE SABBATHS, WERE SET TIMES AMONG THE HEBREWS (NOT GENTILES) FOR THE WORSHIP OF GOD; IN THE MILLENNIUM THESE WILL BE USED AS THE REMINDERS FOR THE ASSEMBLY OF WORSHIP AS GOD WILL BE CELEBRATED IN ALL NATIONS.

PEACE LOVE AND JOY!!!!

what is this below? :

MostHigh: THE TEMPLE OF THE MILLENNIAL KINGDOM IS DESCRIBED IN DETAIL IN EZEKIEL CHAPTERS 40-44. ALTHOUGH WE WILL NOT GO INTO THE DETAILS HERE, WE WILL MENTION A FEW KEY POINTS. THE GLORY OF THE LORD WILL FILL THE TEMPLE (EZEKIEL 43:5). THE LAW GIVEN BY GOD THROUGH MOSES WILL STILL BE KEPT INCLUDING THE SACRIFICES (EZEKIEL 43:19-27). THE LEVITES WILL STILL MINISTER IN THE TEMPLE

please, dont contradict the bible.

(Revelation 20:4).
"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." (Revelation 20:4).

"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." (Revelation 20:6).
................

This ^^^ are the arrangement and those to serve as priest in the new kingdom.


The next point is that this people are with christ.

Just dont project what the bible does not say.

Peace.

My friend, what really is your interest? are you a Jew?

You have said a lot of things, but it seems you are trying to bend scriptures to suit a certain doctrin that is not supported by the (bible) new convanant.

MostHigh: PLS TELL US YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE MILLENNIAL REIGN. WITH SCRIPTURAL REFERENCE , AND LETS MOVE FOREWARD.

THE TEMPLE OF THE MILLENNIAL KINGDOM IS DESCRIBED IN DETAIL IN EZEKIEL CHAPTERS 40-44. ALTHOUGH WE WILL NOT GO INTO THE DETAILS HERE, WE WILL MENTION A FEW KEY POINTS. THE GLORY OF THE LORD WILL FILL THE TEMPLE (EZEKIEL 43:5). THE LAW GIVEN BY GOD THROUGH MOSES WILL STILL BE KEPT INCLUDING THE SACRIFICES (EZEKIEL 43:19-27). THE LEVITES WILL STILL MINISTER IN THE TEMPLE (EZEKIEL 44:9-11). THE LAWS AND STATUTES DELIVERED BY MOSES WILL BE OBEYED (EZEKIEL 44:24). EZEKIEL 44:25 AND 31 SHOW FURTHER EVIDENCE THAT SOME DEATH OF PEOPLE AND ANIMALS CAN AND WILL OCCUR IN THE KINGDOM. THE SABBATHS AND FEASTS OF THE ISRAEL WILL STILL BE KEPT INCLUDING THE PASSOVER, THE FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD (EZEKIEL 45:21), AND THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES (EZEKIEL 45:25). IT WILL BE WELL KNOWN BY ALL THAT JESUS CHRIST GAVE HIS LIFE AS THE PERFECT SACRIFICE FOR ALL MANKIND. NONE-THE-LESS, THE PROPHECY REVEALS THAT THE SACRIFICES WILL STILL BE KEPT AND THE LAW OF MOSES STRICTLY FOLLOWED.


“AND YE SHALL BE UNTO ME A KINGDOM OF PRIESTS, AND AN HOLY NATION...” (EX. 19: 6). THIS IS THE FIRST REFERENCE TO THE KINGDOM AS IT IS RELATED TO GOD

"THUS SAITH THE LORD OF HOSTS; IT SHALL YET COME TO PASS, THAT THERE SHALL COME PEOPLE, AND THE INHABITANTS OF MANY CITIES: AND THE INHABITANTS OF ONE CITY SHALL GO TO ANOTHER, SAYING, LET US GO SPEEDILY TO PRAY BEFORE THE LORD, AND TO SEEK THE LORD OF HOSTS: I WILL GO ALSO. YEA, MANY PEOPLE AND STRONG NATIONS SHALL COME TO SEEK THE LORD OF HOSTS IN JERUSALEM, AND TO PRAY BEFORE THE LORD. THUS SAITH THE LORD OF HOSTS; IN THOSE DAYS IT SHALL COME TO PASS, THAT TEN MEN SHALL TAKE HOLD OUT OF ALL LANGUAGES OF THE NATIONS, EVEN SHALL TAKE HOLD OF THE SKIRT OF HIM THAT IS A (JEW), SAYING, WE WILL GO WITH YOU: FOR WE HAVE HEARD THAT GOD IS WITH YOU" (ZECHARIAH 8:20-23). PLS NOTE THE WORD JEW HERE



JEREMIAH 31:33-34
33 "BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE IT ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE. 34 "NO MORE SHALL EVERY MAN TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND EVERY MAN HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR THEY ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM, SAYS THE LORD. FOR I WILL FORGIVE THEIR INIQUITY, AND THEIR SIN I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE." PLEASE NOTE THE WORD LAW HERE


GOD HAS MADE PROVISION FOR THE ELECT GENTILES BY GRAFTING THEM WITH PRECEDING BELIEVERS (ROM. 11).

ALTHOUGH GOD ALLOWED ISRAEL TO CHOOSE THEIR KING, GOD SAFEGUARDED THE PRINCIPLE OF KINGSHIP IN A MONARCHICAL GOVERNMENT UNDER KING DAVID (DEUT. 17: 14-20). THE KING WAS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE TO GOD, AND THE PEOPLE WERE NO LESS RESPONSIBLE THAN THEIR KING.

ISAIAH ALSO SAYS, ISAIAH 56:7 “EVEN THEM I WILL BRING TO MY HOLY MOUNTAIN, AND MAKE THEM JOYFUL IN MY HOUSE OF PRAYER. THEIR BURNT OFFERINGS AND THEIR SACRIFICES WILL BE ACCEPTED ON MY ALTAR; FOR MY HOUSE SHALL BE CALLED A HOUSE OF PRAYER FOR ALL NATIONS."

ISA 66:23 "AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS THAT FROM ONE NEW MOON TO ANOTHER, AND FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER, ALL FLESH SHALL COME TO WORSHIP BEFORE ME," SAYS THE LORD. ISA. 66:23 TEACHES THAT WE WILL KEEP THE SABBATH, IT ALSO TEACHES WE WILL KEEP THE NEW MOON FESTIVAL! THIS IS ON EARTH IN THE MILLENNIUM PERIOD- NOT IN HEAVEN."

THE NEW MOON FESTIVALS, THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES, AND THE SABBATHS, WERE SET TIMES AMONG THE HEBREWS (NOT GENTILES) FOR THE WORSHIP OF GOD; IN THE MILLENNIUM THESE WILL BE USED AS THE REMINDERS FOR THE ASSEMBLY OF WORSHIP AS GOD WILL BE CELEBRATED IN ALL NATIONS.

PEACE LOVE AND JOY!!!!

what is this below? :

MostHigh: THE TEMPLE OF THE MILLENNIAL KINGDOM IS DESCRIBED IN DETAIL IN EZEKIEL CHAPTERS 40-44. ALTHOUGH WE WILL NOT GO INTO THE DETAILS HERE, WE WILL MENTION A FEW KEY POINTS. THE GLORY OF THE LORD WILL FILL THE TEMPLE (EZEKIEL 43:5). THE LAW GIVEN BY GOD THROUGH MOSES WILL STILL BE KEPT INCLUDING THE SACRIFICES (EZEKIEL 43:19-27). THE LEVITES WILL STILL MINISTER IN THE TEMPLE

please, dont contradict the bible.

(Revelation 20:4).
"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." (Revelation 20:4).

"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." (Revelation 20:6).
................

This ^^^ are the arrangement and those to serve as priest in the new kingdom.


The next point is that this people are with christ.

Just dont project what the bible does not say.

Peace.

BARRISTERS: @Debosky

i have answered your question! in more clearer terms, answer me now,this following;

provide us with the roman law paul was reffering to in (1 cor 14:34), and CAPTURED in the bible

ha ha ha haaaa! im dying here with laughter, just say that you have ran out of Gas,debosky

Good.

I dont know what came over @Debosky, he was really doing a good job on this thread befor this Roman law something.
Maybe, he allowed his brain to dictate what to conclude about that "law" instead of searching the scriptures more and asking more questions.

Anyway, he is one of the Good guys we have here, going from my experience, i may be wrong.

I thing we should let it pass "under the bridge" and we hope that next time we all will learn to have the fear of God by allowing his word to stand and have respect for the scriptures.

Peace all.

BARRISTERS: @Debosky,

@(jmoore take note of my again response pls,!)

(2)A second question -



definately he (paul) was reffering to the OT law, which i will not go far to prove, but at your fingertips, Now can you try to humble yourself, by lifting your eyes up a little to read verse 21 of the same chapter 14, of this same 1 corinthians, and here is it;

1 Corinthians 14:21

In the Law it is written: "Through men of strange tongues and through the lips of foreigners I will speak to this people, but even then they will not listen to me," says the Lord.

[size=14pt]when jesus refers to 'the law in this particular context, he was NOT reffering to the Romans law[/size], but evidently,[size=14pt] as contained in the OT! [/size]

and again, [size=14pt]can you provide me with the roman law paul was reffering to, and CAPTURED in the bible[/size]? you will be hard pressed! [size=14pt]but let me provide what paul reffered to in the OT; captured in Gen 3:16;[/size]

Genesis 3:16
New International Version (NIV)
16 [size=14pt]To the woman [/size]he said,

''Your desire will be for your husband,
and[size=14pt] he will rule over you[/size].”

the same OT instruction of women being subject in authority is beign echoed in timothy below;

1 timothy 2:12

I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.


have i answered you? you can come back with rant!



dont run away Debosky! i can understand your frustration here, come back here, i have re answer your SIMPLE ENGLISH QUESTION.

answer this or you are a fraud; provide us with the roman law paul was reffering to in (1 cor 14:34), and CAPTURED in the bible

Ah! Good one @barrister.

I did not know you have already done justice to the matter by citing the ultimate law of the bible the almighty himself.

The problem with this MOGs is that they forget that the bible should be interpreted from the bible itself, precept upon precept.

It is so unfortunate that people assign authority to themself and abuse the scriptures.

May God help the sincere ones.
Peace.

debosky: What a hypocrite - you accuse me of lying, yet you are too dishonest to even point out the lie?

However, for progress I will repeat the questions here:



Finally - point out the lie about the Roman law - if you will not be honest and come clean about your false accusations, I won't continue discussions with a patently dishonest person.

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law." (1 Corinthians 14:34).
...............................

How can that ^^^ translate to mean that the epistle of apostle paul to corinth as regard women keeping quite in the church was inform or "influence by the Roman law"?

Should human law influence the teaching of the christian congregation or we are to give "God's things to God and caeser's things to caeser"?

I get ashamed some times With the way human use their "canal" knowledge to explain away the bible and keep the so call "church" in confussion and operate over 40 thousands sects.

Which other law is greater than this:

"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." (Genesis 3:16).
..................

How can apostle paul go against that ^^^



"The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom" i think!

debosky: Why are you getting all hot and bothered now? According to your partner barrister, Corinthians and Timothy are saying EXACTLY the same thing, so why shouldn't I 'corner the issue' to exactly the same thing?

This is the kind of cowardly attempt to shut down a conversation you get when someone unsure of his stance is asked to explain it.

Like I said earlier, please ignore my posts since you can't understand the relevance of context to proper understanding of the scriptures.

This is a public forum.

And, do i need to remind you that this is not the proof for your statement that "apostle paul may have been influence by Roman laws"?

debosky: This is the kind of cowardly attempt to shut down a conversation you get when someone unsure of his stance is asked to explain it.

Insult to me is not an issue, afteral you did worst to what the bible said and the bible itself.

Just try and prove your statement that "paul was influence by the Roman law" while writing that epistle.
Thank you.

ijawkid: Lol...................

Guy,

you see Zikky ? He is looking for trouble o.

Lol.

*edited*

Zikkyy: hmmm, 'shayo master' i don dey suspect you for some time now

If you enter that experiment with coke and malt you are finish.

Sugar will give you diabetes, and diabetes na HIV younger brother, e no get cure!

advocate666: I agree as long as moderate sex and masturbation are not sins as well.

lol. .
Guy, it is because of such ^^^ kind of Joke that it has become something bad to compare other NL with you and your utterances.

The truth is i am only interested in what the bible says and not on peoples ID's and personal opinions.

If advocatte had said that the "bible said", in that instance then, i will have been interested or he had quoted the bible to support such ^^^.

When the bible is left out on personal opinion and discussion that has no bible basis then all kinds of people are free to air there opinion and i may not even be interested.

Neddivine: I have always known that there are demons and human agents of satan that post on Nairaland as much as they do all over the internet hiding behind godly user names and atimes come out clear like advocate666 & some others do.They cunningly agree with u on some bible truths just to win ur confidence but when u are now friends they lure u to accept twisted sciptures just to destroy u & make u end up in eternal fire of hell.This individual "truthislight" and many like him have seemingly good usernames but I wonder who is hidden beneath.God have mercy on us.

^^^ ^^^

"Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;" (1 Timothy 3:8 ).

Goshen360: Honestly, I've been following this topic from the sideline. The same thought I'd wanted to ask those who support alcohol you just asked above. How can someone be a "drunkard" without drinking alcohol

Abi na water or soda dey make people drunk ni?

Is "DRUNKENESS" not the instance of taken too much alcohol?

The bible says that "drunkards will not inherit God's kingdom".
^^^

how will one be a "drunkard" if he was not to drink/test alcohol at all?

Will you people stop adding to the word of God?

.

Neddivine: Pastor Kun:
In that case interprete this passage for us;
Deuteronomy 14:26
26 and thou shalt bestow the money for whatsoever thy soul desireth, for oxen, or for sheep, orfor wine, or for beer , or for whatsoever thy soul asketh of thee; and thou shalt eat there before Jehovah thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou and thy household.
Or maybe it was the devil that included this verse into the bible



Matt:19:8 - He(Jesus) saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts allowed you... but from the beginning it was not so.


So u see that Moses allowed many things that were not in the perfect will of God in the old testament because of the obtinate stiff necked heart hardened Isrealites just to satisfy them.The same heardness of heart u and other unstable xtians are still manifesting till date.But in the christian despensation Christ came to fulfill the perfect will of God and expect his folllowers to do so Heb:10:7- then said I Lo I come in the volume of the book it is written of me to do thy will O, God.

A clear instruction in the bible by Yahweh is now due to the hard "hardheartedness" of the Jews?

Your case is more serious than i think.

Jesus christ was accused of eating and drinking win and a friend of tax collectors, i supposed that tax collectors drink mineral and maltina alone.

"Wisdom is shown by its works"

test:
can you consistently drink two bottles of maltina and coke every day for a month or more and i will drink two bottles of beer everyday for a month or more and lets see whose wisdom is more beneficial?

*sigh*

Neddivine: Pastor Kun:
In that case interprete this passage for us;
Deuteronomy 14:26
26 and thou shalt bestow the money for whatsoever thy soul desireth, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for beer , or for whatsoever thy soul asketh of thee;and thou shalt eat there before Jehovah thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou and thy household.
Or maybe it was the devil that included this verse into the bible

You'll easily say that tithing and other xtian doctrines that don't favour u are abolished in the new testament but the ones flesh still craves like alcohol are still upheld.Why don't u still observe an eye for an eye,u should also marry many wives or pehaps marry your half sister because they're all in the old testament and tell me if the devil included them there.

so there are new laws for alcohol and murder in the NT?

The problem is that you people dont think that God knows what he is doing.

Is there no law against tithing in the NT?

Neddivine: Why is it counted an incredible thing that God in the person of our Lord Jesus can create a miracle of non alcoholic wine in Cana.Also when drunkards request for palm wine for example, they ask the seller for either fresh wine or fermented.If truely fermentation takes one day to occur then it is still fresh the first day.The same applies to fruit wine which has no trace of alcohol at least on day one & what tells u there were no preservatives at that time.Did u live at their time to say for sure?

"christianity" has really suffered in the hands of ignorancy.

This are the kind of people all over the place preaching that "alcohol is a sin".
*sigh*

it is high time you people start reading the bible for a start.

When you are shown clear scriptures that says people should drink alcoholic drink what will you do, after you have lied on the bible all along?

Do you think that God will clap for you?

"The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom"

its like the only sin that you people know in the "churches" today is, "alcohol is a sin", while you continue with imorality and invoke for yourself "grace", forgetting that "fornicators will not inherit God's kingdom".

You sound as though your authority superceeds that of the bible or that of the apostles.

Its like you are Jesus christ himself.

No wander there exist this much confusion in christiandom, it is as a result of people like you that go beyond what is instructed and turns it upside down.

See your "authority" over the scriptures below:

jmoore: @debosky these advocates of "no to female pastors" are good at avoiding questions.

who are they? Do you mean apostle paul and co?

Ok, we should ignore what the bible says right?

jmoore: 1- "women to be silent in church" ,so every woman should not open her mouth be it to sing or to speak?

yes.
the issue is about authority, leadership, teaching position and decision making in the church.
(I guess you dont know)

"If your eyes are simple your whole body will be bright"

jmoore: 2- "woman to ask her husband at home if she doesnt understand anything ", there are men that know nothing about the bible, what will such men offer to their wives?

have you ever head of "marry only in the lord"?

I guess you also over looked that instruction and engaged in lawlessness act and ask a sister to marry an unbeliever that does not know how to instruct his family in the way of the lord.

"The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom"
^^
if you follow the guide you will not mary a man that cant teach and you will see the scripture make sens to you.

jmoore: 3- According to old testament only people from the lineage of levi are allowed to be priest. How many male pastors today are from the lineage of levi?

i hope am talking to a "christian"? ^^^

jmoore: 4-Paul said that a bishop should be a man of one wife. Is it right for a male bishop to remain celibate?

^^^




(Is he not aware of paul's advice for celibacy)

jmoore: leadership in the church is not the same as leadership in marriage.

we know that, and his instruction was to the church.

That is what christ that choosed him ask him to say. They set the law and we are to simply follow their lead and not you a Gentile.

jmoore: There is nothing wrong with female pastors.

Can you please show the bible portion that instructed that?

If we dont follow the bible direction we become workers of lawlessness.

Hope you can reward yourself with everlasting life?
*sigh*

debosky: I don't have debates with people deliberately engaging in muddled conversations bordering on falsehood - Where did I say timothy was talking about tongues or are you just being deliberately dishonest? This is what I said:



How you read Corinthian reference and equated that to Timothy is beyond me - if you can't even take a moment to actually read my posts, then please don't bother responding to them.

I have asked you in simple English - what does 1 Corinthians 14:34 mean? Does it mean women should not sing, not pray, not utter a word in church? Is that what it means? Answer that and we will proceed.

A second question - 1 Corinthians 14:34 refers to 'the law' - what law was he referring to here? The OT law or which law?

No need to get all preachy - answer my simple questions and I will oblige you the same courtesy.

lets not start going in circles here.

This issue was home and dry already when scriptures was the reference point befor you came up with the insinuation that apostle paul may have been influence by the romans law when he wrote such concerning women.

It is either you were right or you were wrong. QED,

imagine!

Stop cornering the issue to "women should be silent" when the issue is about headship and leadership.

johnz77: God had created angelic beings and these beings operate like robots, they have specific asignments and God put them as part of His family. He made them and gave them power to excecute judgements based on His dictates. But one of the arch angels, lucifer, led a rebelion against God because he wanted to be like God. If you must know, this God is the Alpha and Omega, He knows all things and sees all things bfor the begining. Why did God create satan if He knew satan will rebel? God is a family God, a family is not one but plenty. God cannot abide alone because He's nature is the nature of increase. He is too big not to create. Satan was created because God knew He will create man. Man also was created to be in the family of God. God did not want to create robots like angels anymore. He made man unique and gave him the power of choice.

What is all that about?

Where did you get all this notions from? Definitly not the bible.

debosky: @ barrister

I have done no such thing - I have simply said there may be contextual reasons for such an instruction. If you have an issue understanding what I mean, the appropriate thing to do is ask for clarification and not make unfounded claims.



The Corinthian reference is focused on what happens when tongues are in operation in a congregation - learn to read things in context. It is not a blanket requirement for women to be silent at all times. Do women sing or praise God in your congregation? Is that the same as being silent?

In some manuscripts the verse in Corinthians is rendered thus: As in all the congregations of the Lord’s people, 34 women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.

Clearly this is a reference from what was done elsewhere - common practice - which may or many not be a divine instruction. To seek to understand the root of a teaching is not a case of working things to 'suit my own liking'. Furthermore, it was part of a passage aimed at restoring order to a church where everyone was talking at the same time causing a chaotic worship time - that was the focus, in my view, of Paul's comments.



Again, seek clarification if you don't understand what I meant - I never said Paul was 'afraid' of anything - my reference to Roman laws was simply to explain the context/background - that women were generally prohibited from public speaking in that time.

is it not possible that all those that made the same observation like barrister all have reading problem?

Was such observation about the Romans influence on "God's words" really necessary?
(that is if you still thinks it is God's word)

i just keep wandering the purpose that comment served.

martinseme: he who the devil deceives into thinking alcohol when taken is not a sin except in excess , he should also call the devil to deceive him that taking cocaine or marijuana in a small quantity is not sin except when taken in excess

i guess palm wine should not be taken then, though it came direct from the almighty with alcohol.

Neddivine: Martinseme:even to date the land of israel is well known to cultivate a fine grade of grape which is pressed in vine to produce non alcoholic drinks or wine.


This is the simple point I try to make when so many unstable christians keep claiming that Jesus manufactured Alcohol at Cana & paul commanded timothy to drink beer for his stomach infirmity.I dread this Pastor Kun & Frosbel among many.Their ideology often agrees with that of this advocate666 & the likes.They seem to promote xtianity with some good threads but again with the other hand drag and destroy xtian virtues with contrary posts on important xtian subjects draging lots of unstable souls with them.Such read the bible with physical intelligence but neglect that the things of God are only spiritually discerned.If u don't seek understanding of spiritual matters with much prayers,fasts,purity & deep humility of soul overtime, God will hardly teach u.Such people will then seek it with only dictionary & bible encyclopedia & their elated Phd degrees and post threads with carnal intelligence to dispute xtian virtures that are well known & observed by heaven minded Godly xtians since church history.

this ^^ are your personal opinion.

For a doctrine to be biblical, it should be consistent from Genesis to revelation.