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Chrisbenogor: I do not have time for you or for your rag tag bunch. You guys give Christianity a bad name. There's reasonable people in here regardless if religious inclinations, having a reasoned discussion with a person seems to be a Herculean task for those of you in the spirit
Hell, the devil , lost soul and the whole hogwash of terror do not worry me one bit, a lot of you are more worried about religious dogma than the practical reality of life. You bandy words around like dead conscience without even bothering to put things in proper context like your conscience and that of a Tibetan monk would be the same thing.

Some people might not be popular (m_nwankwo etched al) but different as their points of view would seem they have a lot of respect.

"a little leavened spoils the whole lump"

stop being a HYPOCRITE and a deceit.

Lukewarm (hot nor cold) is unacceptable.

You stinks it seems?

Ubenedictus: d third arguement is dat matthew himself omitted "nor d son" and some latter scribes added it is some manuscript in an effort to correct matthew.
I have read many early xtians quote matthew without 'nor d son' while mark has it. Jerome's manuscripts didnt have 'nor d son', d older latin translation b4 jerome's vulgate didnt have it either. It wasnt removed, it just wasnt there to b translated.

how old are you?

2000yrs? Or 30yrs? Which is closer to you age range?

Is it that you just have a big mouth?

I wonder for your back ground my friend.

You seem to be well equip for damage.

Ubenedictus: sorry, i'm not a kjv fan, i use its text, along with many odas even d ones whose translations scares me! I once had a copy of d new word traslation. Many older translations i must confess are better dan d new ones. I'm not tagging anything as "perfect".

^^



you will do well in politics.

Ubenedictus: hahaha, dis is funny, though i hardly taste beer -i prefer wine- when i do i certainly know wen to stop. Thank God i've never been drunk.

that ^^ is called moderation.

Ubenedictus: taking alcohol is not a sin, abusing alcohol is a sin. Just like eating is not a sin, abusing food is a sin

too much food can also destroy a person.

Zikkyy: I wonder where this theory is from. You think every other person is a drunkard like you?

the guy seems like a former drunkard that has broken free and thinks alcohol is the "greatest sin".

Lol.
Moderation in every thing is the scriptures.

delkuf: Neddivine, God bless u. @op, is a sin, and a big one at that. let me ask, can u take a bottle of beer and stop, no u will want to cont until u get drunk.

^^

liar!

Your lack of self control should not be other peoples headech.

frosbel: Thanks for reminding me, I deserve a glass or 2 of wine today for all my hardwork this week, I trust the wife will join me

yea!

Same here.

frosbel: @ pastor Kunle to @chrisbenoghor

You mean ,ever learning but never coming to the knowledge of truth !

dead conscience you mean?

Pastor Kun: Before you commence your debate with chrisbenegor, it might be beneficial to inform you thatt he is one of NL veteran unreasonable + religious atheists aka confused soul.

Hmmm!, how very observant!

His kind is worst than the conventional atheist.

Yooguyz: the info rite from the onset was aimed at maligning my character, i came into the thread compliting the op and barristers quoted me saying i had nothing to contribute and blah blah blah.. Now that looks like an hired handle, if you noticed he bumped outta nowhere and started stalking my thread!
Now i know you don't like me but don't ever refer to me as a boy again do you understand? I think Barristers has a mission in d religious sektion which is to provoke me to such a way that it'll attract a ban...
Am not saying anything again after this!

Who is stalking you? .

Please, lets not derail this thread.

BARRISTERS: @Youguyz


didnt you say that you did not get the message earlier?

and by the way what i said about you is not an insult! manmustwac himself needs to know that you want to take advantage of him, you actually posted on the religious site that 'you have feelings for men' im i lying,

and a pastor in your fathers church never help you out but aggravate it!'that is what you said, i have never say anything outside what you have said about yourself in your 'profile' i dont think repeating what someone says of himself is an insult, moreover you did not deny it! respect is earned ok? i dont think truthislight really need that, pls if manmuswac think fairness is nothing, then pls let him ban my post! im ok! moreover you started the insult because im replying Bidam when you say: this insult
youguyz to barristers:


anywar i dont think you worth my time, but if you dare me, i will finish you, so you better gap barristers.ok?

pls manmuswac you can ban me pls, i dont fear it in anywaywhatsoever, youguyz is been bragging of you as his man so i dont take bully, go on pls! a beg

Maybe manmustwac was only conveying the report the boy has been making on you in the instance that was true.

I think the boy was looking to give credence to his accusation, thats why he has been stalking you on this thread with comment geared to cause offence.

If that info was simply quoting him, it cant be said to be an insult.

Boomark: Exateli!!

That is why we are facing these troubles today. Yet some of them that feels they are Sunday school teachers/pastors don't want to obey the Lord's command.

If people had the "true" fear of God they will not water his world down.

No wonder we see all sort of things that are unscriptural taking place in places that otherwise should be called a church today.

All person should SHINE there eyes!

Chrisbenogor: Stop skipping your pills.

Good, you have finish taking yours.

Bidam: Who is coming in the clouds? Verse 7, the one who was pierced. Jesus. What is his name? Verse 8, the Alpha and the Omega, the Lord God, the Almighty.

Rev 22:12-13 (NIV) “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

Who gives rewards at his soon coming? Verses 12, 13, the Alpha and the Omega.

Is jesus christ coming two times?

Reveltion 22 is after the 1000yrs of christ, and after the 1000yrs, christ will hand over the kingdom to his father and the father will be all and all:

"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
"And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." (Revelation 21:2-4)
............:.......

^^^

the one that will come is Yahweh.

You just copy and pest anywhere you see Alpha and Omega.

Now see this instances:

"And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God(Yahweh) of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done." (Revelation 22:6).
..................
That Rev. 22:6 said of Yahweh sending his angel and later verse 13 said:

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. " (Revelation 22:13).
...............................

Going further:

And Rev. 22.16 said this time that Jesus sent his angel :

"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." (Revelation 22:16).
...............................

This time their is no mention of the Alpha and Omega since it discribes Jesus christ that sent his angel, but called him "the root of David"


Cool down and read what i have just pointed out to you so that you dont keep making the mistake over and over all the time.

You should rather be asking why the name of Yahweh was removed from the bible in those places such that you have gotten confused.
Peace

ijawkid: how do you expect enigma to do the bolded??.....

it would pour sand sand for him garri............. .............

^^^

True talk!

Seconded.

Pastor AIO: So which of the bible's that we have today have passages that cannot be backed up by some ancient manuscript or the other?

so, which bible really have such ^^^?

Is the answer not obvious?

Pastor AIO: I get you. But the point is that it does not exist in some manuscripts. How did it not exist in those manuscripts? I will concede that I was wrong in laying the fault on the translators of the KJV. Yet at some point omission were made in biblical manuscripts. Things were added etc. There can only be 2 possibilities. 1) that a genuine mistake of transcribing was made. and 2) that it was done intentional (ie to serve an agenda).

^^^

True.

Meaning that there are errors.

Enigma: And this is Mark 13:32 from the KJV ----- so why is "neither the Son" retained and not removed.



Oh, I suppose the next accusation will be that the scribes whose manuscripts did not have "neither the Son" had an "agenda".

Or maybe Matthew had an "agenda" like the apostle John had an "agenda" when he wrote John 1:1.

Was it an over sight or omission?

Whichever way you wish to look at it?

Ubenedictus: be very careful on dis matter, d absence of "nor d son" in matthew isnt becos it was removed by d kjv but becos dat phase is absent from many ancient manuscript of matthew. D phase is found in mark and even d kjv has it becos it is present in all manuscript. This isnt a matter of whether d kjv believes d divinity of christ, because if d kjv was simply influencing her translations it would not have "nor d son" in mark.
Besides, not just d kjv has manuscript dat doesnt have "nor d son" d drv also doesnt have nor d son in matthew but they both have it in mark.
"nor d son" is also absent from d matthew manuscript used by many earlier xtian.
This isn't some influenced translation, it is absent from many manuscript.

but i had supposed the kingjames V is perfect being the oldest translation, No?

How? why?

Chrisbenogor: And so what?
The church has always been a business and will always be, while some of them have class and respect like the catholic, Anglican , Methodist. Others have no class and conduct business with the morality of anjegunle ashawo, they know themselves

lol.

See who is talking!

But your mouth na ashawo mouth na! Abi na lie?

"Kettle calling pot black"
*sigh*

Tgirl4real: But u sure know the issue of authority in the church isn't one of such issues.




The bone of contention here is woman headship role which includes teaching. It is essential.




Yes. Such as deciding to be celibate. Deciding to marry a fair Christian lady. Deciding to go into full time ministry. Deciding to have 2 kids. Deciding to choose one bible believing church over another. Deciding to give a huge percentage of your income to support the church. It certainly does not apply to issues we have specific instructions on.



You are right. All I am trying to say is that we shouldn't speculate what is in Paul's mind when it is clearly written in scriptures.




OK.



I about saying I agree with you till I read the highlighted.

We both know that isn't applicable anymore Debosky. You are the one going out of context here.

Need i say more? No.

Well done. The fear of the lord is the beginning of wisdom, how well you have done.
Peace.

Goshen360: Reasons Why Christians Are Falling For False Teachings And Doctrines - Frosbel

chei!
Goshen has beaten me to post this thread here. Lol.

Well done bro.

Bidam: Who is coming in the clouds? Verse 7, the one who was pierced. Jesus. What is his name? Verse 8, the Alpha and the Omega, the Lord God, the Almighty.

Rev 22:12-13 (NIV) “Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

Who gives rewards at his soon coming? Verses 12, 13, the Alpha and the Omega.

Is jesus christ coming two times?

Reveltion 22 is after the 1000yrs of christ, and after the 1000yrs, christ will hand over the kingdom to his father and the father will be all and all:

"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
"And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." (Revelation 21:2-4)
............:.......

^^^

the one that will come is Yahweh.

You just copy and pest anywhere you see Alpha and Omega.

Now see this instances:

"And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God(Yahweh) of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done." (Revelation 22:6).
..................
That Rev. 22:6 said of Yahweh sending his angel and later verse 13 said:

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. " (Revelation 22:13).
...............................

Going further:

And Rev. 22.16 said this time that Jesus sent his angel :

"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." (Revelation 22:16).
...............................

This time their is no mention of the Alpha and Omega since it discribes Jesus christ that sent his angel, but called him "the root of David"


Cool down and read what i have just pointed out to you so that you dont keep making the mistake over and over all the time.

You should rather be asking why the name of Yahweh was removed from the bible in those places such that you have gotten confused.
Peace

Yooguyz: Is it that am hard of hearing or that i can't see?
@BARRISTERS what were you trying to say? How come i don't see your posts?

and what exactly is your contribution on this thread if not looking for trouble?

When you are given what you deserve you go reporting.

Grow up!

it all boils down to how much faith we have in the bible as being God's word.

Pastor AIO: To further buttress my point about doctrine influencing bible translations please watch this video from 29:20


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbigbuvMLQs


He makes the point a little later about Matthew 24:36. The earliest copies read that No one knows the hour of Jesus return Not even the Angels in Heaven, Not the Son, Only the Father knows.

This is obviously uncomfortable for those who consider the Son as Identical with the father. How can the father know but the Son not know. KJV solves this problem by a simple act of omission. KJV goes:

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

No mention of the son not knowing.

Other translations that some KJV adherents like to bash such as NIV quote it more properly:

New International Version (©1984)
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Others are more faithful to the original:



English Standard Version (©2001)
“But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.


I hope this makes my point that preconceived doctrines influence the way that the bible is rendered. Even our most cherished and respected versions of the bible have been thus influenced. And yes, I'm a KJV adherent. (though not strictly. I just love the way it is written, I don't believe it is the only God inspired accurate version of the bible).

christemmbassey: 1. its only complicated if you are not a christian, just like i said, a woman has to put to birth first, otherwise everything about it will be complicated. So you have to become a christian first to understand christianity, otherwise everything will be greek to you. 2. Christianity is not a 'church' thing, because we have church goers who most of the times are not christians, eg, you, now is it possible to meet someone like you, who happen to be in the church for so many other reasons rather than being a christian and you use him/her to understand or judge christianity? ie a non-christian meeting a non-christian and each of them use their activities to understand christianity. My brother the only way out is to recieve the gospel then we start by giving you milk just like a baby you will grow understand what life(christianity) is and also teach those that are younger. 3. I never said that christianity is 'a way of life', but said that christianity is a 'life', i hope you will note the difference? It will help you. Now i would have love to explain further but i will use the bible the bible which you wont believe because you also have ur holy books, the only thing i can do to get our attention and subsequent conversion is tro miracle, which God has Graciously given to us and which some ppl abuse. So miracles and what we call signs and wonders are for non-christians.

have you notice you are complicating this issue on this thread?

Why all the contradictions?

Why not take it easy?

Why your own opinion?

debosky: Take for example this argument about Sheol/Hades/Hell - of what real value is it to Christians? To be able to say 'I am right and you are wrong?' Knowing the root word of Hell does not take you to heaven, neither does it help you live a life more like Christ.

Hell fire teaching is a reproach to the almighty God and a defamation of his character.

It does not serve the purpose of yahweh to build in love, but foster fear and thrait.

Will you serve such a God with all your heart out of love?

Ubenedictus: Be careful with ur accusations, i do not know d image guy, but i think he hit d nail on da head this is what u said! u never said we shuld go back to d jewish OT, instead u said "we can alway go back to d jews to learn in how and what sense was used in d OT". The jews refer to a people not d OT. In essence u said we shuld go to d jewish pipo to learn how and what sense was used in d ot. Image was correct, u said to go to d jews.
Peace

Since you both are saying the same thing about hell, i am not surprise you cannot do without each other.

What i wrote is there for all to see.

If the NT is quoting the OT, why do you imagined you should leave the OT to Go to the people?

Did you see "people" in my post? :

truthislight: "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 22:19).
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^^^

1. it shows that human can tamper with it.

2. But they will loose out on everlasting life.

3. But "this book" will ever be around by God's will for all times.

Translation to pigin english and dialect may not always employ the right words to convey the original sense for lack of appropriate words. (being that they are pegan and use of pegan words)

But that ^^ should not introduce pegan idears into the word of God.

We can always go back to the Jews to learn what and how such sense was used in the OT, being that lots of sense in the NT is quoting the OT.
Peace.

Boomark: but the fullness of Godhead dwelt in him bodily. So how come he emptied everything in heaven?

lol. ^^^^^^^^