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Reyginus: Purgatory is a place, according to the catholic church, where souls that are not perfect are tormented before they gain perfection and access into God's kingdom, from intercession of the brethrens.

There is no place like that ^^^ in the bible.

Rich4god: Now this got me cracking.... ... I thought you said you were once a catholic. The last time I checked, catholics didnt realy define purgatory as a place, but rather a STATE.

Why not use the bible and do the work?

Na wa for you people o!

Reyginus: No, it can't be closed. Take a look at Rev 22:18

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Good.

(Revelation 22:18-19).
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 22:18-19).

Reyginus: Lovely@truthislight. I get your point. But the problem of why he has to go preach to the imprisoned spirits is still not clear to me. That's the crux of the matter for me. Another thing is, if we agree it serves the purpose of purifying them for the kingdom of God, we have indirectly accepted the concept of purgatory. If on the other hand, we insist it is not for the good of the kingdom, where then is the reasom. I really want to know.

Angels are not imperfect like humans.

Like Adam who was perfect, he did not act out of ignorance, so, Adam got a direct sentence.

The angles are in similar position/situations.

Jesus christ faithfulness to the end serves as the basis for their judgement, that a perfect human can remain faithful and serve God.

Just like preaching to siners serves as the basis for judgement for siners that will be destroy at the end of this system of things so was Jesus testimonies to them.

(Matthew 24:14).
"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. " (Matthew 24:14).
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The perfect fallen angels own case serves as their judgment hence awaiting their subsequent destruction. Just like Adam had no second chance since he was perfect and he was not ignorant of what he did.
Peace.

MostHigh: GOSHEN BY THE WORDS OF YOUR MOUTH YOURE JUDGED SO IF CHISTIANS ARE NOT UNDER THE COVENANT AS CHRIST WAS THEN WHO DO THEY REALLY SERVE?
GOSHEN I AM NOT TELLING YOU HOW TO LIVE I AM TELLING YOU HOW I LIVE.
GOSHEN CHRIST AND ALL HIS DESCIPLES LIVED THE WAY OF THE JEW AS SCIPTURE HAS REVEALED. PLS NOTE THEY WERE NOT CHRISTIAN.
YOU CANNOT THROUGH ALCHEMY MAGIC OR WHITCHCRAFT CONVERT A CHRISTIAN TO A JEW, THEY LIVE 2 VERY DIFFERENT LIVES IN REALITY.
GOSHEN YASHUA WAS NO CHRISTIAN.

GOSHEN IT IS THROUGH RESTORED ISREAL THAT THE KINGDOM IS TO BE EXTENDED OVER THE EARTH ZACH 8:13 20-23
GOSHEN AS WE KNOW IT RESTORED ISREALITES WILL LIVE THE WAY OF THE JEW NOT CHRISTIAN

GOSHEN THE PROMISES OF THE BIBLE OF WHICH YASHUA SON OF JOSEPH IS THE FULLFILLMENT ARE PRIMARILY JEWISH AND ARE SUITED TO A PEOPLE UNDER LAW BUT THEY ARE ALSO SPIRITUALLY TRUE IN NOT SO MUCH AS (CHRISTIAN) BUT CHRITSLIKE EXPERIENCE.

GOSHEN MATH 19:28 DISCLOSES HOW THE PROMISE OF ISH 1:26 WILL BE FUFILLED, WHEN THE KINGDOM IS SETUP THE KINGDOM WILL BE ADMINISTERD OVER ISREAL THROUGH THE APOSTLES ACCORDING TO THE ANCIENT THEOCRATIC JUDGESHIP (JUD 2:18)

GOSHEN ALSO THE WORD REGENERARION IN MATH 19:28 REFERS TO THE RENEWAL OF THE EARTH AND MOST IMPORTANTLY A RECREATION OF THE SOCIAL ORDER IN OTHER WORDS NO MORE DEMOCRACY, COMMUNISM, OR FACISM THE NEW SOCIAL ORDER WILL BE THOCRATIC ZACH 12:8 1CHOR 15:24

MEANWHILE GOSHEN, FROSBEL, TRUTHISLIGHT, CHRISTEMBASSEY, YOU ALL ARE QUOTING PAUL AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY FIGHTING YASHUA WITH THE WORDS OF CHRIST

PLEASE TELL ME WHERE YOU BAPTISED IN THE NAME OF PAUL?

WHEN PAUL MAKES A STATEMENT THEN YOU ALL SAY (AND SCRIPTURE SAYS) IS YASHUA NOT THE END OF ALL DISCUSSION?

PLEASE LET THE CHRIST LIGHT WITHIN YOU SHINE THROUGH I WOULD RATHER YOU ALL TELL ME (AND JESUS CHRIS SAID) THERE IS MORE CONVICTION THERE


PEACE LOVE AND JOY!!!

PEACE LOVE AND JOY!!!

This Guy reminds me of @Buzugi. Aka @Obediah777. Lol

MostHigh: GOSHEN IT IS THROUGH RESTORED ISREAL THAT THE KINGDOM IS TO BE EXTENDED OVER THE EARTH ZACH 8:13 20-23

^^^
@Obediah777

na wao!

Pastor Kun: @Italo
It's very dishonest to claim that the catholic church created the bible. They merely canonised it. I.e they selected the scriptures that made it into the bible as we know it today. The scriptures had existed for hundreds to thousands of year before the RCC was established so stop being economical with the truth.

the brought together the books/epistles of the apostles of christ together.
That is what that makes up the NT.
The books of the apostles of christ.

italo: My friend, don't expose gross ignorance in public.

There was nothing called "Bible" until the Catholic Church created it and named it so in the 4th century.

I know it is deeply embarassing for you non-Catholics that what you hold as the sole and final authority of faith and doctrine was created and given that authority by the authority of the Catholic Church... But the truth must be told.

you are a product of what you eat.

It is very obvious what and where you feed from.

Now, read my post but slowly this time so that you dont reply into the bushes:

italo: ...And it is the Catholic Church that created the Bible in the 4th century and declared it the word of God.
corner.

what do you really mean by that ^^^?
Read from apostle paul:

"For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe." (1 Thessalonians 2:13).
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@italio, you and RCC are liars.
The epistles of the apostles were considered the word of God even when the apostles were alive in the first century(1ce)

Those are the assumptions and lies that have destroyed many peoples faith.

I hope you are not meaning to say that the writings of the apostles of christ that makes up the NT are now the product of the catholic church?

Because that will be a lie since the writings of the NT are writings of the apostles.

Please, watch it, dont drag the bible on that tangent.

The bible is made up of OT and NT, so, i dont know what you are talking about.
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Consider:
You "produce a book" that has turned out to judged you?

A book you have fourth to destroy in the past 1500years.

Left in a death language by RCC for 1000years(latin) and killed all those that attempt to read it/translate it?
Am sorry for you.

Ubenedictus: @boomark
and who made u judge over others?

the bible Judges you.

Reyginus: Spiritual Genetic Engineering. And I never thought of this. Really strange. I think this is true, going by the kind of things we(christains) accomodate of recent.

Now you are talking.

Even christ warned about false prophet, anybody that cant see it is finished. QED.

Rich4god: One question for you... Did God stoped speaking to His people after the demise of the apostle/early christians. Just need a straight forward answer.

which people?

The apostles warned that after the death of the apostles wolves in sheep clothing will come in and teach false hood.

Why the warning?

Were the apostles stupid or God made a mistake?
*sigh*

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Reyginus: I'm trying to understand the concept of purgatory. I've battled with myself to discard it, but scriptures keep showing up to make sense out of it.
We were made to understand that, 'after death, comes judgement'. I think we've not given adequate attention to that part of scripture.
What do you understand by 1 Peter 3:18-20?

ok, good.
please, try and follow this scriptures and even use a verity of translations.

Who are "sons of God" as used some time in the bible?

(Job 1:6).
"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them." (Job 1:6).

And

"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" (Job 38:4-7).

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The reference the "sons of God" is refering to
angels.

In the days of noah angels came down from heaven materialise and married humans and had children.

When the flood came, the dematerialise and headed back to heaven but were bared from entering heaven but rather put in prison(tatarus) :

"By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." (1 Peter 3:19-20).

(why are they in prison?)
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please read the full story here below:

(Genesis 6:1-6).
"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart." (Genesis 6:1-6).
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(2 Peter 2:4-5).
"For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to tatarus(prison), and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;" (2 Peter 2:4-5).
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That ^^^ is how the angels came to be in prison. Not humans. This angels are the ones christ preached to. (that they failed = Judged)

learn to compare bible translation with others.

Reyginus: What do you understand by 1 Peter 3:18-20?

Christ died for 3days. (Eccl. 9:5,6)

The confussion increases with kjv and other translation changing the fact that christ died in the flesh but was raise "a life Giving spirit", but rather said "quickening spirit".

I dont know what they meant by a "quickening spirit".

Christ was unconscious while in the grave.

The word hell is not a hebrew word.

Christ went to preach to those angels on Resurection from the grave as a spirit person.

Spirit person can materialise and Dematerialise, like the ones that visited:

1. Abraham(ate food with him)
2. Lot (ate food)
3. Jacob(wrestle with him)

Christ resurected as a spirit person that was why he started passing through walls and can also be felt.

Under this spirit state he preached to the fallen angels of Noah's day.

what is limbo? Not a bible teaching.

Ubenedictus: if u were open minded enuf to read, just read, my earlier response, u would have noticed i mentioned married priest but ur voluntary blindness prevented u from seeing it and went on to make d silly comment above.
Complete 22 rites have married priesthood 22 out of 23rites, have married priesthood. No one, i repeat no one is forbiden from marriage, u make a choice either to be married or celebate. And as 1 cor 7:32-35 shows it is very licit to chose not to be married in other to be devoted to d lord. Infact d passage shows d advantage of d celebate compare to a married man, dat is why celebacy is encouraged and in some cases d norm in d priesthood.
Celebacy is totally consistent with biblical revelation.

can you name the 22 rites/parishes, because we dont what you are talking about.

Dont just sale a blanket 22 rites "catholic" to us because you have been shown what the bible stand is.

Because of celibacy issues here on NL, anglican church will turn to Roman catholic church, so that you can cover the truth with mud.

Please name the 22 Roman catholic rites in black and white here and let us see how Roman catholic church permits their priest to marry and remain as priest in RCC.

Thanks and waiting.

Paschal007: ^^^ What about cor7:32-35?

cor. Has first and second, which do you mean?

Well, if you mean 1cor. 7:32-35.

Does tha 1cor. Reads like "forbidden to marry"?

musKeeto: Dude.. Old Testament... Has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity ;-)

the old testament laws have a lot than most people care to know.

Significantly, it was given to diferentiate the Israelite from the nations all around them.

This will not allow intermingling with those nations for any thing, all this to keep satan far from those nation that worship him since they all worship other gods(satan and Demons).

This will prevent satan from entering the nation or using people from the nation of Israel to twart the plans for the coming of the massaiah.

Those laws created the distinction between Israel and every other nation.

When the aim of sending fourth the massaiah was accomplish, and the massaiah had arrived, setting out the way forward, the law covanant was set aside.

It is really a slack when people fail to see the big picture and resort to retrogression it is really a pity, cause they may also miss out in the big picture

"For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:" (Galatians 3:10-13).

^^^

freedom is sweet when it is not abused.

No man will take me back into a curse.

We should rather be saying thank you to christ Jesus.

Reyginus: About to re-examine these things again.

what this time?

debosky: You dey mind am? All I was even doing was critiquing ihedinobi's argument, not supporting evolution per se, and the over eager puma had already started calling me names.

did you read him well at all so?

Do you learn about thorium in art class?

Image123: tislight wan fall people hand again. So you no hear radio and thorium for art class?

read well, slowly this time though.

Anyigala: Frosbel your hatred for anything Catholic has turned to obsession and you keep digging up all kinds of silly and frankly, weak articles and videos to bash Catholic Church. Every week you will write or dig up one useless article to attack Catholic Church. When you get hammered, you open up another tread. I try as much as possible to ignore your treads but I cannot help it when you deceive so many people that know very little about the topic.

The Rosary is Biblical and from this article, it’s obvious to me that the person that wrote it wasted 20 years of his or her life calling himself a Catholic without a slightest clue of what the Church teaches. It amazes me how people will call themselves Catholic and know nothing about their faith and once they leave the Church, they claim to know everything about the Church. The first part of the rosary is straight from Luke’s gospel, (How Angel Gabriel greeted Mary), the second part continued with how Elizabeth greeted her when she visited her. “Pray of us sinner now and at the hour of our death”, we ask her to pray for us because we believe in intercessory prayer. We believe that the saints and mother of God is in Heaven and she can take our petitions to Jesus, just like she interceded on behalf of the couple in Canaan during the wedding feast. The most important part of the Rosary is also the Mysteries: Joyful- birth and childhood of Jesus Christ, Sorrowful – His passion (agony and death), Glorious - His resurrection, ascension, descending of Holy Spirit and Assumption of Mary and finally, the Luminous - From Baptism of Christ, His 1st Miracle, last Supper and so on. While reciting the rosary, you are meant to mediate on these mysteries of our Lord Jesus Christ. The essence of the rosary is to help you mediate in these important events in the life of Jesus and our salvation. To pray the rosary properly is to not only to read the Bible but to also immense yourself in the life Christ and His mother.

The Mass is full of Bible, every Sunday we have 3 readings, 2 from NT and 1 from OT, together with Psalms. Daily Mass has two readings from the Bible and psalms to go with it. Half of the Eucharistic prayer is straight from the Bible; the responses from the congregation are from Bible. A typical Easter vigil mass has no less than 6 readings from both OT and NT. Catholic Church = Bible!

If Catholic Church has been deceiving billions of people of the last 2000, how come all Christians still use the Bible they compiled? If you all are convinced that Catholic Church is evil and not Christian, the logical thing to do is to do away with anything associated with Catholic Church that includes the Bible. And for the person that said that King James compiled the Bible, you must be kidding! Really, so the Bible is 600yrs old then? KJV wasn’t even the first English Bible; John Wycliffe achieved that in 1380 AD, 150 before the reformation.

Jesus did not write on single word down, and he did not instruct anyone to write a book. The Old Testament was there and that was what he and the apostles read from. He did ask his disciples to do certain things in memory of Him and to spread the good news to the ends of the earth. That Church He promised to build upon the Rock (Peter) is still as strong as ever, 2000 years and counting. The Church that Roman Empire, Barbarians, Communist Russia and so many other powerful empires couldn’t defeat, the Church (Body of Christ) that has seen off countless heresies. Christ promised that the gates of Hades will NOT overcome His Church and He doesn’t lie!


The Church has presence all over the world, teaching, educating and saving souls. The Church decided which books should be included in the Bible and what shouldn’t out of so many books and letters circulating in the 1st and 2nd century. (The Church existed before Bible and not the other way round). The Church fought and defended the integrity of the Bible from all sorts of heresies. For more than 1000 years before the 1st printing press, Christians rely on the Church to read and teach them the word of God because it would cost equivalent of 10 years wages to buy one Bible. Your “I am Bible believing, I only follow the Scripture” rants would have been useless and unattainable 1300 years ago because could not afford a Bible then, if even if you could, you probably would not be able to read.

I am a devout unapologetic Catholic Bible-believing, Charismatic, Rosary-praying Christian. Deeply in Love with God The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit and not forgetting Mother Mary. Her fiat to God made all the difference.

are you "christian" or "Jewish?

1. Who gave the directive for such rosary worship? Do you just decide for yourselves how to worship God?

2. Your bible statement is erroniouse.
Should we abandon christianity because those claiming christianity today have gone astray? No, the right way is there in the bible still.

Should we abandon the bible because you have gone off on a tangent off the bible? No.

All men will answer for himself.

Your claim to have a link with those that brought the epistle of christ apostles together does not make the bible your own.

This are the epistles of christ apostles through the holy spirit meant for christ followers, that you deviate does not mean that RCC deviation is cause by the bible.

The bible still remain for all followers of christ since it was meant for them, infact, it was meant for all of mankind.

3. The head of the christian congregation is christ and not peter.

Sticking to the instruction of the apostles is the right way to follow christ, therein lies the christian manuals.

How proud are you for the numbers of your fellow RCC members that have turned atheist?

That ^ i think is an indicator to what end RCC is taking people to with the obvious deviation from the instruction for christians in the NT.

Following the bible is safer considering that the gate is narrow.
Dont you think so?

Ubenedictus: hahaha, u have a very shallow knowledge about catholics and i believe, its just stories u were told. If u want to know what d catholic church teaches u go to the catechism of d catholic church. The stuff is on d net, google is ur friend. Drop ur misconceptions and read what they teach directly from d right source instead of dem say dem say pipo do on nairaland.
God save us from scoffer's

what did he say that is not the truth from the bible?

Between him and you that is defending RCC who is scoffing?

Read him again, but slowly this time:

Dogohson: The god of this world has blinded their minds so that the light of the glorious gospel will not penetrate them. How I pray for the catholics to come to the knowledge of 1 Timothy 2 : 5. There is only one mediator between God and man, and that's Jesus Christ, not Mary or Angels nor dead saints as they claim. They also claim that Peter was the first pope, but Bible tells us that Jesus healed Peter's mother inlaw. Why doesn't ur popes marry. There are many other anomally activities that goes on in the catholic, they just don't seem or even want to embrace the truth. May God's will be done my people.

Ubenedictus: But no one is forced into celebacy and no is told God hates a married person becos he is married.

^^^

Good if that ^^^ is the truth.

So, can your priest decide to get marie now if they want to and remain in your priest hood still?

It is either you are a bold face liar here or you are telling the truth here.

If they dont have that option, then they are being conditioned:


"They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth." - 1 Timothy 4:3
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See the full passage:

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of Demons; Speaking lies in hypocrisy:
having their conscience seared with a hot iron; FORBIDDING TO MARRY, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth." (1 Timothy 4:1-3

Ubenedictus: take am easy and keep quite when u don't know something.
1. Neither myself nor u were there wen d incident happened or didnt happen, so u cant say u know it happened. For all i care d priest might be innocent and was framed to get d millions as settlement OR he may has been a really bad guy, he assulted some kids and got every bit of what he deserved.
My point is neither u nor i know dis 4 a fact, God, d priest and d 'allegdedly assulted' knows what happened or didnt happen.
2. Many protestants even married pastor have been accused and found guilty of similar crimes, so if u want to fault celibacy 4 d shameful situation then u must explain y d same act is found among married protestant pastors.
3. And most importantly d catholic church is actually 23 autonomous churches/rites and among d 23 churches/rites only d latin rite aka d roman catholic church has celibate priests, so if u wanted to be a married priest in d catholic church all u need is to go to any of d 22 other rites. So as far as it goes celibacy in d catholic church is largely optional.
My point is d priest who are celebate knew what they were geting into, they chose dat style of life it wasnt heap on them. The alternative was before dem yet they chose to live a life where all they had is the people they minister to. So ur above point of celibate if way off.

story!

"They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth." - 1 Timothy 4:3

deal with that ^^^ and not me.

Is the catholic church not following what the word of God said or they have another word of God?

"They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth." - 1 Timothy 4:3[/quote]............

Its you against that ^^^. QED.

frosbel: What do you expect when grown MEN and WOMEN are falsely told that they are forbidden to marry if they want to join the priesthood or nun sect.

The catholic church has done immense damage to millions of souls , through false doctrine, crusades , fraud and all manner of heresy.

The reason why the catholic church puts tradition over the bible is because the bible rebukes their heresies.

"They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth." - 1 Timothy 4:3

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truthfully said.

Ubenedictus: truth has spoken. Abeg take am easy.

some people dont know their problem.

Just imagine a fish figuring out the world of humans and coming to terms with the possibly of living outside water for eternity?

Fine write up.

Jesus once said:
"know the truth and the truth will set you free"

how truthful that ^^^ statement is!

He knows that satan operates with lies.

People are lazy and inexperience to the fraud that humans are capable of perpetuating even with the name of God and Jesus.

Why wont they?
Most, befor entering churches were they not money doublers of years to years?
Were they not aware that there is God and that God hates extortion?

Yes, they do, but their greed blinds and darkens their heart to the doing of God's will, so they take the undeserved kindness of God as an excuse for lose conduct and fraud.

So, that some have upgraded into the churches, what difference does it make? None!

Their conscience were already dead years befor, while they were doing all sort of evil for the sake of money without the fear of God.

That the laziness of people and lack of love of studying the bible leads people to them. It should be obvious what they'll do to such people.

Exposing the fraud and helping people to appreciate the truth and study their bible is a good thing.
Peace

debosky: Actually it does - it decays into Thorium, a completely different element.

Can someone search for Thorium?
Thorium is classified as a naturally ocurring element with "atomic number 90"

lets play along and assumed that we have what is called "ashes", and another substance have the characteristic of on dying off forms the constant substance = ashes, does that forms the basis for the diversity of elements,?

anyway, thorium is classified as a naturally ocurring element.

debosky: Strictly speaking, you don't 'know' this - i.e. you can't 'prove' that it is driven by an 'unknown force'.

true, i dont have the force, i had said that humans(scientist) dont and i am human.

If humans dont even know the driving force for living things, how can they qualify to project how this force works?

No, they dont, all they have are their conjectures and a figment of their over blooted minds, geared toward winning laurels.

If they do, let them reproduce design a living thing. (not cloning) no, they cant, even satan himself cannot.

When humans excels, it is usually a genuine study of nature and the endeavors to replicate it = science.
But Evolution is not science. QED.

MostHigh: TRUTHISLIGHT YOU ARE THE DECIVER.
WHY DO YOU NEED ANYBODY TO PROVE YOU WRONG IF TRULY YOU ARE RIGHT?
THIS IS NOT A DEBATING SOCIETY BUT A FORUM TO LEARN AND WE ARE ALL LEARNING.

I AM NOT HERE TO DECIVE ANYONE CAN YOU NOT READ? MAYBE YOU SHOULD GET YOURSELF A BIBLE DICTIONARY FOR MORE REFERENCING.
ALL THE VERSES ABOUT THE MILLENIAL TEMPLE AND SERVICE ARE TRUTH, THE ISRELITE LEVITE NAZARITE WILL ALL BE THERE IN THE FUTURE KINGDOM WHY ARE YOU RESISTING.

LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE YOUR OWN IDEAS AND CONCEPT ABOUT THE MILLENIAL PRIESTHOOD PLS CAN YOU SHARE THIS WITH US? THE NATURE OF THIS PRIESTHOOD SERIOUSLY!!!

IS THE BIBLE LYING? I HAVE GIVEN REFERENCES JUST AS JOAGBAJE REQUESTED AND HERE YOU ARE CALLING ME A DECIVER, YOU ARE THE DECIEVER FOR NOT MAKING AN EFFORT TO EDIFY RATHER YOU WANT TO CALL PEOPLE NAMES NOW I KNOW WHO YOU SERVE.

SADLY YOU HAVE NOT SHOWN ME ANYTHING BUT IGNORANCE IF YOU QUOTE A VERSE AND FAIL TO EXPANSIATE HOW DO YOU EXPECT OTHERS TO LEARN?
YOU JUST WANT A FIGHT ISNT IT? THATS WHAT YOU ARE USED TO.

I AM NOT TWISTING SCRIPTURES AND I AM NOT HERE TO PROVE ANYBODY WRONG LEAST OF ALL YOU. IS THE TRUTH NOT THE LIGHT

AS A MATTER OF FACT I AGREE WITH THE VERSE YOU QUOTED COMPLETELY BUT BY THE WORDS OF YOUR MOUTH YOU ARE JUDGED.

TRUTHISLIGHT THIS (ARRANGEMENT FOR THE FUTURE) YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT ARBITRARY, THERE ARE LAID DOWN RULES FOR ALL PRIESTHOOD EVEN IFA PRIEST HAVE ORDINANCES.

NOW ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE PRIESTHOOD OF MELCHIZEDEK WHICH IS THE PRESENT AND FUTURE PRIESTHOOD HAS NO ORDINANCES GUIDING THEM?

IGNORANCE IS NOT AN EXCUSE CHRIST HAS COME AND REVEALED ALL THAT IS NECESSARY BY HIS EXEMPLARY WAY OF LIFE. (I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE)

TRUTHISLIGHT ARE YOU A PRIEST AFTER THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK? IF NOT YOU DON MISS ROAD, NO BE ME TALK AM READ YOUR BIBLE I AM ONLY A MESSENGER OF THE TRUTH.
THESE PEOPLE THAT YOU SAY ARE WITH CHRIST IN THE FUTURE KINGDOM ALL BELONG TO THIS ORDER AS WE CAN SEE FROM THE VERSE BELOW

Hbr 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. PLS NOTE THE WORD ORDER HERE.

TRUTHISLIGHT EVERY ORDER HAS ORDINANCES YOU ARE JUST DISPLAYING IGNORANCE BY IGNORING THIS FACT.

YOU WANT TO BE A PRIEST BY WISHFULL THINKING? I NEVER SEE B4.
EVEN CHRIST OUR MASTER TOOK VOWS AND OATHS AND HERE YOU ARE SAYING I SHOULD NOT ASK YOU WHAT OATHS YOU ARE PREPARED TO MAKE TO THE MOST HIGH

TRUTHISLIGHT YOU HAVE TURNED HOLINESS AND RIGHTOUSENESS TO MERE CEREMONY!! THE MOST HIGH HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL.



PEACE LOVE AND JOY!!!

I dont know why you are knocking your head for this:

MostHigh: Hbr 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. PLS NOTE THE WORD ORDER HERE.

is the levitical priest hood in the "order of melchizedech"?
*smh*

"And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him. If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?.


For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." (Hebrews 7:8-12).

"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." (Revelation 20:4-6).
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The error is yours not mine.

You are angry that your error is pointed out.

Enjoy!

italo: ...And it is the Catholic Church that created the Bible in the 4th century and declared it the word of God.
corner.

what do you really mean by that ^^^?

This are the assumptions that have destroyed many peoples faith.

I hope you are not meaning to say that the writings of the apostles of christ that makes up the NT are now the product of the catholic church?

Because that will be a lie since the writings of the NT are writings of the apostles.

Please, watch it, dont drag the bible on that tangent.

The bible is made up of OT and NT, so, i dont know what you are talking about.
Peace

MostHigh: TRUTHISLIGHT PRESUMPTION IS A SIN WHY PRESUME I AM ANGRY?

TRUTHISLIGHT IT IS CLEAR YOU ARE ILL EQUIPED FOR THIS DISCUSSION.

AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE.


PEACE LOVE AND JOY!!!

thank you.

MostHigh: TRUTHISLIGHT YOU ARE THE DECIVER.
WHY DO YOU NEED ANYBODY TO PROVE YOU WRONG IF TRULY YOU ARE RIGHT?
THIS IS NOT A DEBATING SOCIETY BUT A FORUM TO LEARN AND WE ARE ALL LEARNING.

I AM NOT HERE TO DECIVE ANYONE CAN YOU NOT READ? MAYBE YOU SHOULD GET YOURSELF A BIBLE DICTIONARY FOR MORE REFERENCING.
ALL THE VERSES ABOUT THE MILLENIAL TEMPLE AND SERVICE ARE TRUTH, THE ISRELITE LEVITE NAZARITE WILL ALL BE THERE IN THE FUTURE KINGDOM WHY ARE YOU RESISTING.

LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE YOUR OWN IDEAS AND CONCEPT ABOUT THE MILLENIAL PRIESTHOOD PLS CAN YOU SHARE THIS WITH US? THE NATURE OF THIS PRIESTHOOD SERIOUSLY!!!

IS THE BIBLE LYING? I HAVE GIVEN REFERENCES JUST AS JOAGBAJE REQUESTED AND HERE YOU ARE CALLING ME A DECIVER, YOU ARE THE DECIEVER FOR NOT MAKING AN EFFORT TO EDIFY RATHER YOU WANT TO CALL PEOPLE NAMES NOW I KNOW WHO YOU SERVE.

SADLY YOU HAVE NOT SHOWN ME ANYTHING BUT IGNORANCE IF YOU QUOTE A VERSE AND FAIL TO EXPANSIATE HOW DO YOU EXPECT OTHERS TO LEARN?
YOU JUST WANT A FIGHT ISNT IT? THATS WHAT YOU ARE USED TO.

I AM NOT TWISTING SCRIPTURES AND I AM NOT HERE TO PROVE ANYBODY WRONG LEAST OF ALL YOU. IS THE TRUTH NOT THE LIGHT

AS A MATTER OF FACT I AGREE WITH THE VERSE YOU QUOTED COMPLETELY BUT BY THE WORDS OF YOUR MOUTH YOU ARE JUDGED.

TRUTHISLIGHT THIS (ARRANGEMENT FOR THE FUTURE) YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT ARBITRARY, THERE ARE LAID DOWN RULES FOR ALL PRIESTHOOD EVEN IFA PRIEST HAVE ORDINANCES.

NOW ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE PRIESTHOOD OF MELCHIZEDEK WHICH IS THE PRESENT AND FUTURE PRIESTHOOD HAS NO ORDINANCES GUIDING THEM?

IGNORANCE IS NOT AN EXCUSE CHRIST HAS COME AND REVEALED ALL THAT IS NECESSARY BY HIS EXEMPLARY WAY OF LIFE. (I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE)

TRUTHISLIGHT ARE YOU A PRIEST AFTER THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK? IF NOT YOU DON MISS ROAD, NO BE ME TALK AM READ YOUR BIBLE I AM ONLY A MESSENGER OF THE TRUTH.
THESE PEOPLE THAT YOU SAY ARE WITH CHRIST IN THE FUTURE KINGDOM ALL BELONG TO THIS ORDER AS WE CAN SEE FROM THE VERSE BELOW

Hbr 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. PLS NOTE THE WORD ORDER HERE.

TRUTHISLIGHT EVERY ORDER HAS ORDINANCES YOU ARE JUST DISPLAYING IGNORANCE BY IGNORING THIS FACT.

YOU WANT TO BE A PRIEST BY WISHFULL THINKING? I NEVER SEE B4.
EVEN CHRIST OUR MASTER TOOK VOWS AND OATHS AND HERE YOU ARE SAYING I SHOULD NOT ASK YOU WHAT OATHS YOU ARE PREPARED TO MAKE TO THE MOST HIGH

TRUTHISLIGHT YOU HAVE TURNED HOLINESS AND RIGHTOUSENESS TO MERE CEREMONY!! THE MOST HIGH HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL.



PEACE LOVE AND JOY!!!

I dont know why you are knocking your head for this:

MostHigh: Hbr 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. PLS NOTE THE WORD ORDER HERE.

is the levitical priest hood in the "order of melchizedech"?
*smh*

"And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him. If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?.


For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." (Hebrews 7:8-12).

"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." (Revelation 20:4-6).
................

The error is yours not mine.

You are angry that your error is pointed out.

Enjoy!

Hmmm!

Why not let them get married, the ones who wishes to do so i mean?

Must such (celibacy) be compulsory on those wishing to be a priest?

Does God so detest marriage or married people that he will chose only the unmarried for such a Job?