Christianity Etc › Catholic Fraternity With Islam by truthman2012(op): 4:48pm On May 09, 2016*. Modified: 9:33pm On May 12, 2016 |
What is going on here ? Can two different faiths come from the same God ? I am seriously astonished to learn of this:
“The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.” (Catholic Catechism, page 841
So by Catholic belief, islam is also from their God. Surprise, surprise !!!
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Islam › Re: If U Are A Muslim, Pls Come Over Here. Muslims Only. by truthman2012(m): 8:14pm On May 07, 2016*. Modified: 8:35pm On May 07, 2016 |
mustymatic: OP how close do you follow jesus? A muslim is more chritian than you who follow paul You are very wrong. Christians follow Jesus as Paul did. Muslims do not follow Jesus but Muhammad. When last did you mention Jesus but you mention Muhammad at least five times a day. Then, how are you more christian than the Christians ? The islamic sahadah is "there is no god but allahh and Muhammad is his messenger" Please note that Muhammad is not just one of allahh's messengers but his messenger, i.e his only messenger. All other prophets belong to Yahweh. |
Islam › Re: If U Are A Muslim, Pls Come Over Here. Muslims Only. by truthman2012(m): 8:02pm On May 07, 2016 |
Amberon: Op I'm a Christian and pls Allah is not GOD. Allah is a demon. Go and study the etymology of Allah and you'll know he is a demon sent out by Lucifer to deceive.
Every other thing you said was correct. But pls never make such horrendous mistake again. Allah is not God. Supported !!! |
Islam › Re: How The Quran Was Corrupted by truthman2012(m): 7:08am On May 06, 2016 |
Visitor700 Further corruption of the QuranMissing Verse on the State of MartyrsNarrated Anas bin Malik: (The tribes of) Ril, Dhakwan, 'Usaiya and Bani Lihyan asked Allah's Apostle to provide them with some men to support them against their enemy. He therefore provided them with seventy men from the Ansar whom we used to call Al-Qurra' in their lifetime. They used to collect wood by daytime and pray at night. When they were at the well of Ma'una, the infidels killed them by betraying them. When this news reached the Prophet, he said Al-Qunut for one month In the morning prayer, invoking evil upon some of the 'Arab tribes, upon Ril, Dhakwan, 'Usaiya and Bani Libyan. We used to read a verse of the Qur'an revealed in their connection, but later the verse was cancelled. It was: "convey to our people on our behalf the information that we have met our Lord, and He is pleased with us, and has made us pleased." (Anas bin Malik added  Allah's Prophet said Qunut for one month in the morning prayer, invoking evil upon some of the 'Arab tribes (namely), Ril, Dhakwan, Usaiya, and Bani Libyan. (Anas added  Those seventy Ansari men were killed at the well of Mauna. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 416) A verse was deliberately cancel.Missing Verse On StoningNarrated Ibn 'Abbas: 'Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, " We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession." Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." 'Umar added, "Surely Allah's Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 82, Number 816) This verse is missing in the quran today. Missing Verse On SucklingNarrated Aisha: It had been revealed in the Qur'an that ten clear sucklings make the marriage unlawful, then it was abrogated (and substituted) by five sucklings and Allah's Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) died and it was before that time (found) in the Qur'an (and recited by the Muslims). (Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Number 3421) That verse which was once found in the quran is no more there.Missing Part On "Valley of Riches"Anas b. Malik reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: If there were two valleys of gold for the son of Adam, he would long for another one, and his mouth will not be filled but with dust, and Allah returns to him who repents. (Sahih Muslim, Number 2284) That verse is not in today's quran.Another Missing VerseThe following hadith from Sahih Muslim mentions a verse that is no longer found in the Quran: Anas b. Malik reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) invoked curse in the morning (prayer) for thirty days upon those who killed the Companions (of the Holy Prophet) at Bi'r Ma'una. He cursed (the tribes) of Ri'l, Dhakwan, Lihyan, and Usayya, who had disobeyed Allah and His Messenger (may peace be upon him). Anas said: Allah the Exalted and Great revealed (a verse) regarding those who were killed at Bi'r Ma'una, and we recited it, till it was abrogated later on (and the verse was like this): ‘Convey to it [sic] our people the tidings that we have met our Lord, and He was pleased with us and we were pleased with Him’. (Book 004, Number 1433)And now that you have read these ? With these there is no way you can refute the quran not being corrupted or claim it is perfect. |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Are Muslim Women Promised In Paradise? by truthman2012(m): 9:25pm On May 05, 2016 |
Aminat508: I am a Muslim, Alhamdulillah!! 
I follow and believe in the religion of Islam.
I am a Muslim, but I am not dangerous.
I am Muslim, but I am not easily offended.
I am a Muslim, most of my friends are not.
And most importantly, I am a Muslim, but I am not a terrorist!
Terrorists are not Muslims.
Terrorism has no religion. The Quran says: “Whoever kills a person, it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Quran, 5:32) For me Islam is not just a religion, it is the environment I am brought up in. It forms a part of who I am. Islam influences my upbringing, my behaviour and my thoughts, in other words my whole life. I was born as a Muslim and I will die as a proud Muslim.
Islam is my identity!!  Who are the people who liked this ? How does this answer the question posed by the OP ? |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Are Muslim Women Promised In Paradise? by truthman2012(m): 9:21pm On May 05, 2016 |
Dyt: What do you as human promised when you are devoted to your creator?
I am a muslin and I am so ignorant of do many things to the extent of not believing our creator, mine creator said 72 virgins for my Muslim brothers Like I said I dunno nothing
I am a Muslim A proud one Devoted to my creator My God I am a believer who believes here on earth I will be happy and much more happier when I am no more
I am not your regular hijabian Not your regular Muslim chic you see out there But I can touch my chest and tell you my heart is pure to me I represent Islam of peace Religion of accommodation A vouch for sincerity and a true virtue of the Islam you never know
Thank you And a round of applause for me pls Who are those liking this ? Is this a response to the OP ? What are Muslim women promised in Islamic Paradise ? A very simple question. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Igbo Culture And The Prospects Of Islam In Eastern Nigeria by truthman2012(m): 9:09pm On May 05, 2016 |
Demmzy15: Written by MICHAEL O. MADUAGWU, PHD
ABSTRACT
There are two main religions in Nigeria today, Islam and Christianity. Generally, it is assumed that while the North is predominantly Islamic, Southern Nigeria is predominantly Christian, although there are some significant numbers of Christians in some parts of North as there are also significant Muslims among the Yorubas in the then Western Region of Nigeria. On the other hand, it is still generally believed, at least on paper, that Islam is nonexistent in the former Eastern Region of Nigeria. The reality, however, is that Islam is gradually gaining foothold in the latter, including the Igboland. In fact, some Igbo scholars are now concerned that the coming of Islam to Igboland portends “a danger to Igbo interest and survival” (Nnorom 2003). Abubakar Tafawa Balewa was credited with a statement in 1947 to the effect that but for the British the Muslims would have continued their jihad conquest of Southern Nigeria. Today, it would seem that what the North could not achieve through jihad it is now accomplishing by peaceful proselytizing of Islam.
This paper sets out from the premise that the Nigerian Constitution guarantees religious freedom, including its peaceful propagation. It argues that if Islam is peacefully spreading to Eastern Region it would be an interesting development which could lead to more tolerance between Christians and Muslims in Nigeria. The question, however, is whether Islam, especially given its doctrine of sharia, would be able to adapt to the culture of that area. The paper, therefore, addresses the prospects of Islam in Eastern Region of Nigeria vis-à-vis the Igbo culture.
THE EMERGENCE OF ISLAM IN IGBO LAND
For the ordinary Igbo person, Islam is a strange religion in Igboland. The general belief is that if the religion exists there at all, it is only being practiced by the Hausa-Fulani strangers in the Igboland. It would seem that the reality on ground today shows otherwise. Nnorom (2003) paints this picture:
… while Ndigbo are being religiously, ethnically and economically cleansed from the predominantly Islamic states of Nigeria, Igbo Imams, Sheiks, Alahajis (sic), Alhajas and mosques, once few and exotic, are now a common sight in one of the most homogeneous Christian regions in Africa.
In fact there is evidence to show that Islam might have been planted in Igboland by an Igbo Muslim as far back as 1957, even before Nigeria’s Independence (Ottenberg 1971 quoted in Nnorom 2003). According to Ottenberg as recounted by Nnorom (2003), it was one Okpani Egwani of Anohia village of Afikpo in the present day Ebonyi State who had brought Islam to that village. Egwani had been away from his village for several years. The villagers had believed that he was dead and had even performed funeral rites for him. However, as it turned out, Egwani had joined the Nigerian army in 1944. After his discharge he stayed in Lagos and was converted to Islam. He was said to have travelled far and wide, visiting such countries as Egypt, Gabon and the Congo. He joined the Islamic sect of Tijaniyya. When he returned to his village in 1957, he was said to have come in a company of some Muslim strangers from the North who assisted him to establish Islam in his village. Egwani had changed his name to Alhaji Ibrahim. As would be expected, the initial attempt to establish Islam in Afikpo met with serious resistance. The villagers ridiculed the converts. However, the seed of Islamic religion had been sown in that area.
According to a recent studies (Nnorom 2003; Uchendu 2010) Islam is gaining strong foothold in many parts of Igboland. Nsukka is said to have 14 mosques and therefore “undoubtedly the Islamic capital of AlaIgbo [Igboland]” (Nnorom 2003). Two institutions have been identified as playing major roles in the propagation of Islam in Igboland. There is the educational institution known as Jama-al-Nazral School, said to be originally based in Enugu but has been moved to Ntezi village in outskirts of Afikpo where it has existed for nine years. Nnorom (2003) claims that “No connection has been established between this institution and the remnants of the Anohia Islamic community.”
As at 2003, Jama-al-Nazral School is said to have 500 students selected only from Igbo-speaking States of Nigeria. It awards scholarships to all its students, from kindergarten to high school and offers lessons in secular subjects as well as in Arabic and Islamic studies. The female students dress in traditional Islamic style and are separated from the males. The males also dress in traditional Hausa/Arabic long clothing. The Jama-al-Nazral School is said to have no sign in front of the property to indicate its name, affiliation or mission. It is claimed that it is being funded by Saudi Arabia. The majority of the teachers are said to be foreign although the School was being headed as at 2003 by one Alhaji Haruna Ajali from Afikpo.
Most of the teachers are said to be nationals of Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and India and are recruited from Kaduna. One other prominent Islamic educational institution in Igboland is the Al-Haudaa Muslim School in Enugu. This school is said to have been established in 1990 by Igbo Muslims in Enugu and was approved by the former Anambra State Government. As at 2003, it had 150 students, ages 3 – 12. Like Nazral, Al-Haudaa awards scholarships to all its students. However, unlike Nazral most of its teachers are Igbo. It is said that “about 90% of the teachers at the Islamic School in Enugu are Christian” (Nnorom 2003). The teachers are said to be paid higher salary than their counterparts in public schools and are allowed to practice their Christian religion. The school authorities were unwilling to reveal the sources of funding of the school, although one of them claimed that it was being funded by “Moslem authorities” (Nnorom 2003).
The Chief Imam of the school as at 2003 was Igbo while his Deputy was Yoruba. The story of the propagation of Islam in Igboland would not be complete without mentioning some prominent Igbo Muslim leaders. Most prominent was the late Alhaji Suleiman Onyeama who until his death several years ago was the chairman of the Jama’atul Nasril Islamiyya (Society for the Victory of Islam) of Enugu State. Currently, two of the most well known Igbo Muslims are Alhaji Abdulaziz Ude and Alhaji Yahaya Ndu (Nnorom 2003). The latter from Ezeagu Local Government Area of Enugu State was the Presidential Candidate of the African Renaissance Party (ARP) in 2003. The Chief Imam of the mosque at the University of Nigeria Nsukka (UNN) is Sheik Adamu Abdullahi Idoko from Nsukka. Nsukka is reputed to be the key base of Islamic expansionism in Igboland (Nnorom 2003). Then Alhaji Dauda Oneagocha is the Chief Imam of the Owerri main mosque in Imo State, which is located near the Government House. Although the controversial Senator Arthur Nzeribe has not yet officially converted to Islam, he is said to be one of the benefactors of Imo State Muslim community. He is alleged to have donated N5 million toward the construction of the Owerri Mosque (Nnorom 2003).
In terms of the population of Igbo Muslims, this is rather controversial. An interesting article about the Igbos and Islamic religion has this title: “Islam Does Not Belong to Them” (Anthony 2000). The import of this title could be that the number of Igbo Muslims is so insignificant that it is not worth noting. This may explain why there was no statistics of the population of Igbo Muslims among the listing of the populations of the larger ethnic groups in Nigeria in the current World Christian Database (quoted in Wikipedia 2010; see the Appendix). However, the 25 October 1993 edition of the Nigerian news magazine, Citizen carried a cover story on the “Igbo Muslims” (Akoshile and Ummuna 1993). Alhaji Suleiman Onyeama, then Chairman of Jama’atul Nasril Islamiyya, Enugu State, claimed that there were between 6,000 and 10,000 Muslims in the State at the time. Even if the upper limit of this number was accurate and exclusively Igbo, it would still be insignificant in a population of 3.1 million, as the 1991 Census had put Enugu State.
It would seem that the current Igbo Muslim leaders are not very forthcoming on the statistics of their members. Nnorom (2003), states that the Igbo Muslim leaders were not willing to reveal vital information on their religion, including the size of their membership. Efforts to get the statistics of the current Igbo Muslims by this writer also proved abortive. One Alhaji Suleiman Ogah, the Chairman of Muslim Pilgrims Welfare Board of Ebonyi State, could not provide any statistics on the Muslims in the South-Eastern States nor even of Ebonyi State, only saying that research was still ongoing and would be provided when completed.
However, regardless of the numbers, one thing is certain about Islam in Igboland. It is making inroads there and the number of Igbos embracing Islam is increasing. In fact, sooner than later, Igbo Muslims would no longer have to hide their identities by adopting Hausa or Arabic names or even clothing. This was the case of the first generation of Igbo converts to Islam in Northern Nigeria who had to “Hausanise” themselves (Anthony 2000: 427). But is this a plausible forecast or should Igbos organize and prevent the peaceful Islamic evangelization in Igboland? What are the prospects for the survival of Islam in Igboland? Islam in Igboland: To be or Not to Be?
For the generality of the Igbo people, the two major religions in Nigeria, Islam and Christianity have also ethnic identities, Islam being the religion of the Northerners or Hausa-Fulani while Christianity is for the people of Southern Nigeria. Not many Igbos are aware that there are as many Yoruba Muslims, or even more, as there are Yoruba Christians. Again, not many Igbos realize that there are also large populations of other ethnic groups in Northern Nigeria, other than Hausa-Fulani, who are Christians or Muslims, to say nothing of the fact that there are also some Hausa-Fulani who are Christians.
This perception about the religious-cum-ethnic divides in Nigeria was especially pronounced in the 1960s. Thus, Ojukwu (1969) in the famous “Ahiara Declaration” during the Nigeria-Biafra war could assert:
The Biafran struggle is, on another plane, a resistance to the Arab-Muslim expansionism which has menaced and ravaged the African continent for twelve centuries. Our Biafran ancestors remained immune from the Islamic contagion. From the middle years of the last century Christianity was established in our land. In this way we came to be predominantly Christian people. We came to stand out as a non-Muslim island in a raging Islamic sea.
Throughout the ill-fated Nigerian experiment, the Muslims hoped to infiltrate Biafra by peaceful means and quiet propaganda, but failed. Then the late Ahmadu Bello, the Sarduana of Sokoto, tried by political and economic blackmail … to convert Biafrans settled in Northern Nigeria to Islam. His hope was that these Biafrans of dispersion would then carry Islam to Biafra, and by so doing give the religion political control of the area. It would seem that the phobia about Islam is still widely felt by many Igbo people, including scholars, as has been passionately presented by Nnorom (2003). Indeed, Nnorom (2003) has used Ojukwu’s statement to buttress his proposition that Igboland is the land of Christianity and should not be allowed Islamic penetration. Of course Ojukwu’s statement is more of propaganda than anything else. He knew more than anybody that the Nigerian-Biafra war was not a war between Northern Muslims versus Igbo Christians. Gowon, the Nigerian Head of State at the time is a Christian as were many of the Nigerian soldiers.
It is true that until recently, Islam was virtually non-existent in Igboland. However, history is not static. Nigeria is no longer as religiously, culturally or even ethnically as compartmentalized as was the case 50 years ago. It should, therefore, not be surprising that Islam is now being openly embraced both by some Igbos living in Northern Nigeria (Anthony 2000) and also some Igbos in Igboland (Nnorom 2003; Uchendu 2010).
The answer to the Shakespearean question above is simply yes. Both the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the Nigerian Constitution guarantees freedom of religion. As long there is no compulsion, Nigerians are free to belong to any religion; to change their religion and to propagate their religion. Indeed, the Nigerian Constitutions of 1979 and 1999 have provisions encouraging associations, including marriages, across religious and ethnic divides in order to promote national unity and integration.
In recent times, there has been upsurge of ethno-religious conflicts in Northern Nigeria, especially Plateau State. The Plateau State crisis is becoming protracted and difficult to resolve. Perhaps what has exacerbated the crisis in Plateau State could be said to be the fact that the two protagonist groups, the Hausa-Fulani on the one hand and the Beroms and other ethnic groups on the Plateau, on the other hand, predominantly belong to the two religions, Islam and Christianity, respectively. That is why once the crisis erupts, it easily takes religious colouration. Would the crisis in Plateau State have been so intense and protracted if there were no sharp religious divide between the Plateau people and the Hausa-Fulani? Obviously not!
I would argue that if Islam succeeds in Igboland, it would contribute to the polarization of Islam among the major ethnic groups in Nigeria. Then, contrary to the fears being expressed, in some quarters, the polarization of Islamic and Christian religions in Igboland and across Nigeria would lead to more religious tolerance than to religious crisis in the future generations.
With regard to compatibility of Islam with Igbo culture, this is an open question. Those who argue that Igboland is or should be a Christian society may have forgotten that when Christianity first came to Igboland, things fell apart. If Christianity has succeeded in Igboland, it could only be because it has learnt to adapt and assimilate the Igbo culture. The same would apply to Islam or any other religion that wishes to survive in Igboland. The Igbo Muslims would be advised to look up to the Yoruba Muslims if they hope that Islam would survive in Igboland. In fact, the rest of Nigerians would be advised to study and emulate the religious candour of the Yoruba. Trash !!! What does it profit you and the rest muslims if everybody becomes a muslim and goes to hell. Remember allahh promised all muslims hellfire immediately at death: Quran 3:185] Every soul will taste of death. And ye will be paid on the Day of Resurrection only that which ye have fairly earned. Whoso is removed from the Fire and is made to enter paradise, he indeed is triumphant. The life of this world is but comfort of illusion. The above verse shows that all muslims will go to hell as soon as they die, waiting for the Day of Resurrection before some will be removed and made to enter Paradise. This is a satanic lie as what qualifies you to go to hell in the first place will make you remain there forever. What will justify you in hell to qualify for Paradise later? Is that the situation you want the Igbos to join you ? Those who embraced Islam are those who are ignorant of the way the Devil operates. Muhammad's allahh is not the true God who wants everybody to go to hell. |
Islam › Re: How The Quran Was Corrupted by truthman2012(m): 8:03pm On May 05, 2016 |
Visitor700 Abdullah ibn Sarh al-Amiri embraced islam after the prophet and his followers had migrated to madina so he wasn't among the scribes who wrote down the prophet's dictates in makkah. Prove with authentic source and not the formulation of any islamic apologist. This verse was revealed in reference to Musaylimah Al-Kadhdhab not Abdullah Ibn Sa'd Ibn Abi Sarh. Prove with authentic source. The above is a fabrication. Abdullah ibn Sarh wasn't the scribe who recorded those verses because all the verses in chapter 23 were revealed in makkah. Abdullah ibn Sarh assumed the role of a scribe after he met with the prophet who was then in madina. Prove as previously required. [ size=15]"He converted to Islam before the conquest of Mecca and immigrated to the Prophet (Peace be upon him) [i.e. in Medina]. [b]He used to record the revelation for the Prophet (Peace be upon him) before he apostatized and went back to Mecca..."[/size][/b] (Ibn al-Athîr, Usûd Ulghâbah fî Ma'rifat Is-Sahâbah, Volume 3, p. 154) He used to record the revelation for the prophet yet you said he was not a scribe contradicting yourself. An-Nawawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said: [size=15]"Then on that day ‘Abdullah ibn Sa‘d ibn Abi Sarh became Muslim, and he became a good Muslim; after that he did not do anything to be criticised for. He was one of the wise and noble men of Quraysh."[/size] (Tahdheeb al-Asma’ wa’l-Lughaat [1/270]) This is a fabrication. I did clearly point out in the OP how he was killed with proof. He wasn't killed, he died while observing his prayer. Prove. [ b]Further corruption of the Quran[/b]
Missing Verse on the State of Martyrs
Narrated Anas bin Malik: (The tribes of) Ril, Dhakwan, 'Usaiya and Bani Lihyan asked Allah's Apostle to provide them with some men to support them against their enemy. He therefore provided them with seventy men from the Ansar whom we used to call Al-Qurra' in their lifetime. They used to collect wood by daytime and pray at night. When they were at the well of Ma'una, the infidels killed them by betraying them. When this news reached the Prophet, he said Al-Qunut for one month In the morning prayer, invoking evil upon some of the 'Arab tribes, upon Ril, Dhakwan, 'Usaiya and Bani Libyan. We used to read a verse of the Qur'an revealed in their connection, but later the verse was cancelled. It was: "convey to our people on our behalf the information that we have met our Lord, and He is pleased with us, and has made us pleased." (Anas bin Malik added Allah's Prophet said Qunut for one month in the morning prayer, invoking evil upon some of the 'Arab tribes (namely), Ril, Dhakwan, Usaiya, and Bani Libyan. (Anas added Those seventy Ansari men were killed at the well of Mauna. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 416)
A verse was deliberately cancel.
Missing Verse On Stoning
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: 'Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession." Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." 'Umar added, "Surely Allah's Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 82, Number 816)
This verse is missing in the quran today.
Missing Verse On Suckling
Narrated Aisha: It had been revealed in the Qur'an that ten clear sucklings make the marriage unlawful, then it was abrogated (and substituted) by five sucklings and Allah's Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) died and it was before that time (found) in the Qur'an (and recited by the Muslims). (Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Number 3421)
That verse which was once found in the quran is no more there.
Missing Part On "Valley of Riches"
Anas b. Malik reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: If there were two valleys of gold for the son of Adam, he would long for another one, and his mouth will not be filled but with dust, and Allah returns to him who repents. (Sahih Muslim, Number 2284)
That verse is not in today's quran.
The following hadith from Sahih Muslim mentions a verse that is no longer found in the Quran: Anas b. Malik reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) invoked curse in the morning (prayer) for thirty days upon those who killed the Companions (of the Holy Prophet) at Bi'r Ma'una. He cursed (the tribes) of Ri'l, Dhakwan, Lihyan, and Usayya, who had disobeyed Allah and His Messenger (may peace be upon him). Anas said: Allah the Exalted and Great revealed (a verse) regarding those who were killed at Bi'r Ma'una, and we recited it, till it was abrogated later on (and the verse was like this): ‘Convey to it [sic] our people the tidings that we have met our Lord, and He was pleased with us and we were pleased with Him’. (Book 004, Number 1433) Those hadiths are authentic sources proving that the Qur'an was actually corrupted. I discovered you skipped saying anything on it. |
Islam › Re: How The Quran Was Corrupted by truthman2012(m): 7:53pm On May 05, 2016*. Modified: 8:14pm On May 05, 2016 |
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Islam › Re: Plans To Islamize Nigeria by truthman2012(op): 9:22am On May 04, 2016 |
malvisguy212: they will never succeed in jesus name. The christians in kaduna will never allow it. In fact this is what cause the crisis in 2001. Amen !!! This is not the first time the Devil would try to stop Christianity, he has always failed. Is it not the same allahh who said the Christians will stand till the Day of Resurrection ? Why is he ever inconsistent ? Why did he still say islam will conquer the world, which muslims are working towards? (Quran 3:55 Yusuf Ali): “Behold! Allah said: ‘O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee of the falsehood of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection.” |
Christianity Etc › Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by truthman2012(op): 8:39am On May 04, 2016 |
IkpuMmadu: Islam is satan gift to the world. ...I am always careful when Muslim are around me Yes, one has to be careful with muslims. Allah (satan in disguise) says muslims should not befriend the Christians (Quran 5:51). When did God become the enemy of the Christians? Was it not the same Christians God used with signs and wonders ? It shows allahh who hates the Christians is not God but Satan. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by truthman2012(op): 7:39am On May 04, 2016 |
IkpuMmadu: All u know I'd Islam is bad Islam is not only bad, it is satanic. |
Islam › Re: How The Quran Was Corrupted by truthman2012(m): 9:54pm On May 03, 2016 |
truthmans2012: Further corruption of the Quran
Missing Verse on the State of Martyrs
Narrated Anas bin Malik: (The tribes of) Ril, Dhakwan, 'Usaiya and Bani Lihyan asked Allah's Apostle to provide them with some men to support them against their enemy. He therefore provided them with seventy men from the Ansar whom we used to call Al-Qurra' in their lifetime. They used to collect wood by daytime and pray at night. When they were at the well of Ma'una, the infidels killed them by betraying them. When this news reached the Prophet, he said Al-Qunut for one month In the morning prayer, invoking evil upon some of the 'Arab tribes, upon Ril, Dhakwan, 'Usaiya and Bani Libyan. We used to read a verse of the Qur'an revealed in their connection, but later the verse was cancelled. It was: "convey to our people on our behalf the information that we have met our Lord, and He is pleased with us, and has made us pleased." (Anas bin Malik added Allah's Prophet said Qunut for one month in the morning prayer, invoking evil upon some of the 'Arab tribes (namely), Ril, Dhakwan, Usaiya, and Bani Libyan. (Anas added Those seventy Ansari men were killed at the well of Mauna. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 416)
A verse was deliberately cancel.
Missing Verse On Stoning
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: 'Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession." Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." 'Umar added, "Surely Allah's Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 82, Number 816)
This verse is missing in the quran today.
Missing Verse On Suckling
Narrated Aisha: It had been revealed in the Qur'an that ten clear sucklings make the marriage unlawful, then it was abrogated (and substituted) by five sucklings and Allah's Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) died and it was before that time (found) in the Qur'an (and recited by the Muslims). (Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Number 3421)
That verse which was once found in the quran is no more there.
Missing Part On "Valley of Riches"
Anas b. Malik reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: If there were two valleys of gold for the son of Adam, he would long for another one, and his mouth will not be filled but with dust, and Allah returns to him who repents. (Sahih Muslim, Number 2284)
That verse is not in today's quran.
The following hadith from Sahih Muslim mentions a verse that is no longer found in the Quran: Anas b. Malik reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) invoked curse in the morning (prayer) for thirty days upon those who killed the Companions (of the Holy Prophet) at Bi'r Ma'una. He cursed (the tribes) of Ri'l, Dhakwan, Lihyan, and Usayya, who had disobeyed Allah and His Messenger (may peace be upon him). Anas said: Allah the Exalted and Great revealed (a verse) regarding those who were killed at Bi'r Ma'una, and we recited it, till it was abrogated later on (and the verse was like this): ‘Convey to it [sic] our people the tidings that we have met our Lord, and He was pleased with us and we were pleased with Him’. (Book 004, Number 1433) |
Islam › Re: What Islamic Scholars Said About Hell by truthman2012(op): 8:04pm On May 03, 2016 |
analice107: don't.i know them? I know you know them jare. |
Islam › Re: What Islamic Scholars Said About Hell by truthman2012(op): 7:38pm On May 03, 2016 |
analice107: Trash it again for the benefit of those of us who didn't see you trash it before. Thank you. The jihadist is a terrible liar. He can tell any type of lies, white, black and red lies. |
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Islam › Re: Plans To Islamize Nigeria by truthman2012(op): 7:14pm On May 03, 2016 |
Rilwayne001: even fools don't take you serious again It is only the fools who would not take a serious matter seriously. It is only the fools who would read the statement of Buhari and would not read any meaning to it. It is only the fools who would see the truth and would look away from it. It is because you islamists have no more lies to defend islam that you are speechless and hide under ignoring threads that expose the falsehood of islam. Your inability and the eventual silence is good for my threads. Laughing !!!  |
Islam › Plans To Islamize Nigeria by truthman2012(op): 4:05pm On May 03, 2016*. Modified: 4:39pm On May 03, 2016 |
This is a statement credited to Muhamadu Buhari before he became the president of Nigeria: “I will continue to show openly and inside me the total commitment to the Sharia movement that is sweeping all over Nigeria,” Mr. Buhari said. “God willing, we will not stop the agitation for the total implementation of the Sharia in the country.” Source: http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/19/richard-grenell-nigeria-brink/No sooner had he resumed at Aso Villa that the Christians didn't find it easy to worship at Aso Villa Chapel. It was rumoured he has closed the chapel. Knowing the body language of the president, El-Rufai, the Governor of Kaduna State has started frustrating the Christians. He has placed restrictions on religious activities. What they normally do is to make it appear as if it affects both Christianity and Islam but the real target are the Christians knowing fully that muslims don't engage in evangelism. I also learnt that 19 other Northern Governors have taken to the step of El-Rufai. All these are pointing to the gradual implementation of islamization of Nigeria and is all happening in the current administration of Muhammadu Buhari. There had been presidents in this country who are Christians with no intentions of Christianizing Nigeria. Why is the Muslims' God interested in forced conversion as we read in the quran ? |
Islam › Re: Confusion: Who Was The First Muslim ? by truthman2012(op): 2:15pm On Apr 18, 2016 |
Muslims, having seen that Islam is false and for which you have nothing to defend it, is it still reasonable for you to continue in it. Why would you choose to be deceived by an ordinary illiterate Arabian, who claimed to be a prophet? Why would you believe the quran that has been proven to be fraught with unintelligent errors?, Would God spew such errors from his holy mouth?
Repent and give your life to Jesus before it is too late. Don't remain deceived. |
Islam › Re: Proof: No Hadith Was Fabricated, It Is A Lie !!! by truthman2012(op): 2:00pm On Apr 18, 2016 |
Rilwayne001: Not so quick. we have to finish one before rushing to another. Al-taqquiyah expert !!! How long will it take you respond? Blatant Liar like Muhammad and his quran. |
Islam › Re: Confusion: Who Was The First Muslim ? by truthman2012(op): 12:46pm On Apr 18, 2016 |
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Islam › Re: Confusion: Who Was The First Muslim ? by truthman2012(op): 7:37am On Apr 18, 2016 |
As muslims couldn't respond to many questions these days, before long islam will gradually die off on nairaland. |
Islam › Re: Qur'an 109:6: The Height Of Hypocrisy by truthman2012(op): 7:28am On Apr 18, 2016 |
Visitor700: There is no consensus between muslim scholars concerning this.
Because they neglected the rights of their Creator.
[size=15]Narrated by Mu'adh bin Jabal: The Prophet said, "O Mu'adh! Do you know what Allah's Right upon His slaves is?" I said, "Allah and His Apostle know best." The Prophet said, "To worship Him (Allah) Alone and to join none in worship with Him (Allah). Do you know what their right upon Him is?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know best." The Prophet said, "Not to punish them (if they do so)." (Sahih Bukhari bk. 97, #3)[/size]
The disbelieving christians, jews and pagans will dwell in hell forever. Muslims with faith even if it weighed the same weight as the smallest ant will only dwell in hell temporarily.
[size=15]The disbelievers among the People of the Book (christians and jews) and the pagans will dwell forever in hell; they are the worst of all creatures. (Quran 98:6)[/size]
Culled from a lenghty hadith, [size=15]"....Allah will say, ' Go and take out (of Hell) anyone in whose heart you find faith equal to the weight of one (gold) Dinar.' Allah will forbid the Fire to burn the faces of those sinners. They will go to them and find some of them in Hell (Fire) up to their feet, and some up to the middle of their legs. So they will take out those whom they will recognize and then they will return, and Allah will say (to them), 'Go and take out (of Hell) anyone in whose heart you find faith equal to the weight of one half Dinar.' They will take out whomever they will recognize and return, and then Allah will say, 'Go and take out (of Hell) anyone in whose heart you find faith equal to the weight of an atom (or a smallest ant), and so they will take out all those whom they will recognize." (Sahih Al Bukhari-Volume 009, Book 093)[/size]
According to the scholars who held the first opinion, the heat will not affect righteous muslims.
I can't say but its description is given in the hadith.
[size=15]Narrated by Abu Sa'id Al- Khudri: We, the companions of the Prophet said, "O Allah 's Apostle! What is the bridge?' He said, " It is a slippery (bridge) on which there are clamps and (Hooks like) a thorny seed that is wide at one side and narrow at the other and has thorns with bent ends. Such a thorny seed is found in Najd and is called As -Sa 'dan. Some of the believers will cross the bridge as quickly as the wink of an eye, some others as quick as lightning, a strong wind , fast horses or she-camels. So some will be safe without any harm; some will be safe after receiving some scratches, and some will fall down into Hell. The last person will cross by being dragged over the bridge. " (Sahih Bukhari - Volume 9 , Book 93 , Number 532)[/size]
[size=17]Extract from Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Quran 33:9) The Campaign of the Confederates (Al-Ahzab)[/size]
[size=15]....The reason why the Confederates came was that a group of the leaders of the Jews of Banu Nadir, whom the Messenger of Allah had expelled from Al-Madinah to Khaybar, including Sallam bin Abu Al-Huqayq, Sallam bin Mishkam and Kinanah bin Ar-Rabi`, went to Makkah where they met with the leaders of Quraysh and incited them to make war against the Prophet . They promised that they would give them help and support, and Quraysh agreed to that. Then they went to the Ghatafan tribe with the same call, and they responded too. The Quraysh came out with their company of men from various tribes and their followers, under the leadership of Abu Sufyan Sakhr bin Harb....[/size]
[b]I didn't come across it. Can you show me the hadith?[/b] Since you choose to go to hell, so be it but I pity you. How can you claim not to see the evidence of Muhammad killing the Jews, which I stated above? Here it is again: Ishaq 464 The Jews were made to come down, and Allah’s Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina, and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men. Even the pagans who muslims claim persecuted Muhammad were not killed as many. You didn't substantiate your claim that the Jews also persecuted Muhammad with evidence. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by truthman2012(op): 10:24pm On Apr 17, 2016 |
Silsilah: Your ignorance is factory fitted ooo, I'd have loved to explain a few things to you about the verse but I just discovered I can't help you. You've made it practically impossible to get help. Continue to enjoy your ignorance in bliss Who is this one na ? Nonsense. What there is to explain? Are you to explain to me alone or all the readers following the thread? Keep deceiving yourself. You know what, am not here to convince addicted Muslims who have been tied hands and legs by satan who introduced himself as their God. One thing I know for sure is that Christians who before now believe islam is also from God and ignorant muslims who just found themselves in the religion would have known islam is a mere satanic deception. That is my aim and objective. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by truthman2012(op): 9:54pm On Apr 17, 2016*. Modified: 10:14pm On Apr 17, 2016 |
samuelsky70: only God will save those hill gotten extremists, wicked, non-god fearing people who called themselves Muslim from that religion called Islam. those who know the truth among the even go as far as deceiving others that Jesus will only be coming back as a Muslim. Don't mind them. Jesus sent messages to the Churches after His ascension to heaven in the Book of Revelations. How can He come back as a muslim? Satanic deception. Quran says even Moses who received the Laws for the Jews was also a muslim. How can Moses, the leader of the Jews be a muslim when the Jews are not muslims? Muslims are those who believe in Muhammad's islam, which never existed before Muhammad, therefore their was no muslim before Muhammad. God's prophets and the Jews and the Christians who submitted to God before Muhammad didn't do so islamically, and so they were not muslims. Not only that, the quran also lied that Jesus disciples who built Churches were muslims. Didn't Muhammad meet Churches when he grew up? Did he find Muslims worshiping there? How are Church founders Muslims? Islam (submission to God) is a word cunningly and deceitfully coined out by satan to include all of God's people, who didn't believe in Muhammad's islam. The truth remains that anyone who does not practice Muhammad's islam is not a muslim. Sometimes, am tempted to think Muslims brains are not working normally because the lies in the Quran are so simple to discover. |
Islam › Re: Confusion: Who Was The First Muslim ? by truthman2012(op): 8:04pm On Apr 17, 2016 |
This is another case of muslims' inability to clear the quran of errors. No abuse is even available.
Any reasonable person should be able to see that islam is a fraud. A fraud perpetrated by satan. It was satan that acted the role of Allah and Gabriel in the quran to deceive mankind. |
Islam › Re: Qur'an 109:6: The Height Of Hypocrisy by truthman2012(op): 7:47pm On Apr 17, 2016 |
[ quote]Visitor700[/quote]There are two differences of opinion with respect to (Quran 19:71). Meaning muslims are not certain of what will happen to them after death. The first opinion is that both muslims and non-muslims will enter hell. The righteous muslims will be saved leaving the polytheists and wrongdoers in hell. So the muslims are sure of entering into hell before they are removed. This is exactly what Qur'an 3:185 says. Why should you enter hell first before you will be removed? What qualifies you to enter hell first will make you remain there forever. Besides, how many years can you afford to be inside hell? Put one of your fingers on candle fire for just a minute and see how you will feel, talkless of your whole body inside exceptionality hot fire like hell. Allah doesn't mean well for youThe second opinion is that the righteous and those deserving punishment will cross over a bridge. Only those deserving punishment will fall off the bridge into hellfire. Cross a bridge from where to where? The pagans and the jews made a pact to exterminate the muslims in medinah. Prove. He never called for the execution of jews. Even when you saw the hadith that says Muhammad killed the Jews enmass? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Quran Testifies To The Bible: It Says It Stands Till Eternity by truthman2012(op): 7:28pm On Apr 17, 2016 |
Annunaki: Honestly what inspires these people to lie to themselves so much and live in self inflicted delusion really beats my imagination. I wonder o !!! |
Islam › Re: Confusion: Who Was The First Muslim ? by truthman2012(op): 7:24pm On Apr 17, 2016 |
Naijaboy007: all religious book are not truly words of god they are words of men Lol !!! |
Islam › Confusion: Who Was The First Muslim ? by truthman2012(op): 5:01pm On Apr 17, 2016*. Modified: 10:28am On Apr 18, 2016 |
Muslims, when confronted with the question on why the quran says Muhammad was the first muslim, they say he was the first muslim only among his own people. They have forgotten that they have also claimed Muhammad was a descendant of Ishmael, who was also said to be a muslim. How can his forefather Ishmael be a muslim and still claim Muhammad was the first muslim among his own people? So much confusion and deception in islam.
Let's continue in our studies and questions on islam about who the first muslim was:
The Qur’an states Muhammad was the first Muslim. (Surah 6:163). However, it also that Abraham who lived centuries before Muhammad was a Muslim. (Surah 3:67). And The Qur’an states that the disciples of Jesus who lived before Muhammad were also Muslims. (Surah 5: 111). In fact, the Qur’an claims that all prophets, from the time of Abraham to Muhammad were Muslims. (Surah 22:78)
The Questions
Since the Qur’an states that Muhammad was the first Muslim, while at the same time declaring that there were Muslims before the time of Muhammad, is this not a clear proof of the existence of a contradiction in the Qur’an?
How are you going to reconcile the Qur’an’s claim that Muhammad was the first Muslim with the Qur’an’s statement that Abraham who lived before him was also a Muslim?
How are you going to reconcile the Qur’an’s claim that Muhammad was the first Muslim with the Qur’an’s statement that the disciples of Jesus who lived before him were Muslims?
Do you not agree that if Abraham was truly a Muslim as the Qur’an claims, then Muhammad cannot be the first Muslim?
Do you not agree that if the disciples of Jesus were truly Muslims as the Qur’an claims, then Muhammad cannot be the first Muslim?
Do you not agree that one or the other verse in the Qur’an is a lie?
Does this not clearly prove that the Qur’an contains a false statement in it?
Will the true Word of God contain an error in it?
As such, can you really trust the Qur’an as the Word of God?
Who was the first Muslim? The Qur’an gives the following answers: Muhammad (Surah 6:14, Surah 6:163), Abraham (Surah 2:127-133, Surah 3:67) Moses (Surah 7:143), some unnamed Egyptians (Surah 26:51), Disciples of Jesus (Surah 5:111).
So Muslims, according to your Qur’an, who was the first Muslim? |