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'Angel' Gabriel said allahh would heal Muhammad but it is found to be a lie.

How do you trust the quranic revelations the liar brought to Muhammad.

lexiconkabir:
since you dont know what torah is, why would you say its the OT?

Go search on the net, people believe Torah is the OT and the Injeel the NT. It is only the nairaland muslims that are against the truth.

None of you can tell where the Torah and Injeel are, meaning allahh was lying talking about Scriptures that didn't exist.

lexiconkabir:
whats Torah?

I should ask you because it is your quran that mentions it.

Folakeme:
Op,wbt nt criticizing other people's religion,and why so inquisitive?? ,or u wanna become a muslim

When does asking questions become criticism?

truthman2013:
[color=green] Hey boy, stop typing trash. You should bring a better debate to the table and we'd do the needful. The hogwash in the OP is not logical at all.

Let me off this cloth, and watch the next bullshít you are going to type. I think I have your time today.

truthman..

Hypocrite!!

Thank you for your attempt to lenghten my life. How I wish am a boy to have more time to expose allahh's lies.

I noticed you could not answer the simple questions other than the trash you are posting here and there.

truthman2012:
Muslims, let's assume allahh was absent when Muhammad was tasting the poison as he might not be omnipresent, why couldn't he heal him after taking it?

Graveyard silence!!!

lexiconkabir:
who believed this? you or me?

Then why are you avoiding the question. Where is the Torah and Injeel the quran talks about if not the bible?

Muslims, let's assume allahh was absent when Muhammad was tasting the poison as he might not be omnipresent, why couldn't he heal him after taking it?

Ajibam:
Watch this video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVvsmc5YsGg

The man claim Quran converted him to Christianity, after he saw those verses, he asked his imam, the imam chased him away, after personal study, he was delivered, he saw the revelations, he was saved.
Glory be to Jesus

Glory to God.

I have been wondering why muslims couldn't see the deception in the quran? It is so glaring.

lexiconkabir:
Mr. man i asked for the "bible" in my Quran.

Mrs woman, your quran talks about Torah and Injeel, which is believed to be the OT and NT in the bible.

Where is Torah and Injeel if not the bible? Afterall Muhammad/allah talked about it.

Ajibam:
He is the messiah, not just a mere prophet like you claim your Mohammed was.

Why did he raise him up?

Psalm 16:10
For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.



Nevertheless, Mohammed was just an ordinary man that was confused, he was ignorance to the real truth and that make him to end up as a rebel, killing and maiming to win territories, you can't expect God to raise such a mere man up..

Don't be ignorance too, so that you won't end up like him, try to go along with reasonable people and learn humbly from them instead of misinterpreting and misunderstanding the values of Christianity.
Shalom.

Those statements are an irony. I tried to speak the mind or belief of muslims about Jesus, which is untrue.

The question is: if Jesus was an ordinary son of Mary and a prophet less in rank to Muhammad, why was he given so much favour? Why would allahh so cared about him to the existent he took him away to escape death but delivered Muhammad to the Jewish woman to die?

The quran lied so much about the person of Jesus to deceive humanity. Jesus is not an ordinary prophet as the quran portrays him. He is the Son of God and Saviour of the world.

seemples:
It's Allah's will?

Allah favoured Jesus rather than Muhammad. Something is more special about Jesus that muslims don't know.

Pwhitelaw:
Keep ranting with your gibberish... Only a fool will argue with you.

Because you don't know what to say. Smh!

lexiconkabir:
show me the Quranic verse that says "bible" and i will tell you why.

Where is the Torah and Injeel allahh talked about because they existed at Muhammad's time?

The quran claims Allah didn't allow the Jews to kill Jesus, he found someone else to die in his stead.

Quran 4:157-158 Shakir] And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.
Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

Muhammad, allahh's greatest prophet was allowed to eat poison, as a result of which he died. Gabriel prayed for him and promised allahh would heal him, but it was a failed promise as he eventually died after two years of agony. I symphatize with him though because he must have passed through hell for the two whole years.

Then I wonder why allahh would allow Muhammad, his GREATEST prophet to eat poison in the first place and then unable to heal him after he had eaten it?

What was special about Jesus, the ordinary son of Mary and a lesser prophet to Muhammad (according to muslims' belief) that allahh would treat him specially and would not allow the people to kill him disgracefully, while other prophets (including Muhammad) were killed?

Quranic revelation is a deceit as Jesus treatment by allahh shows He was more than a prophet.

rabzy01:
Poor you. I thought you will give me a date to come and watch you LIFT ASO ROCK AND CAST IT INTO THE LAGOS LAGOON!!!!!

Here you are trying to divert the topic. This thread is not for comparison between bibble and the Qur'an. If you like you can open a thread for that. Here we are discussing the LIES OF JESUS IN THE BIBBLE.

Would you mind proving that they are not lies?

But you intended to change my thread from Islamic Angels Are Wiser to discussion about satan.

I think allahh knows a little better than you or you know better than him and that is why you are condemning the Scripture he recommended to Muhammad.

rabzy01:
No response yet?

Satan is not a real name, it is a title given to him after he rebelled against God. Satan means ''adversary''. His real name is Lucifer. Those other angel who followed him are his angels. Sooo simple. Get knowledge.

For lack of defence you guys have successfully derailed this thread. The thread is about allahh's angel wiser than him but now about satan.

rabzy01:
No response yet?

Satan is not a real name, it is a title given to him after he rebelled against God. Satan means ''adversary''. His real name is Lucifer. Those other angel who followed him are his angels. Sooo simple.

Rylklef01:
Of course YES, because;
"The Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, whom the
Father will send in my name, he shall teach
you all things, and bring to your remembrance
all that I said unto you." [Bible - John 14:26]
And Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "A messenger will
come after me, named Ahmad." [Holy Quran
61:6]

If the islamic authorities catch you with that your statement, they will invoke sharia law on you for calling allahh the Father of Jesus. You have committed 'shirk'.

Was it allahh who has no child Jesus said he would send the Comforter?

Is allahh the Father of Jesus?

Was Muhammad sent in Jesus name? If Muhammad was sent in Jesus name, it means he is inferior to Jesus, do you agree with that?

Muhammad's grandfather, Mutaleb was an idolater and so was his father, Abdullai. His mother was a believer in jinn-devil religion. Tell me, how could such satan's devotees give birth to the Comforter, the Holy Spirit of God. Never.

The quran lied in 61:6. Jesus didn't speak in the quran and it (quran) was not around when Jesus was on the earth. Allah should have done well by giving reference to the place Jesus made the statement in the earlier Scripture.

Islam is fraud by satan.

rabzy01:
Good. You should ask yourself not me, how many mountains did this man lifted and cast into the sea? before you believe that shit.

Know that, if you cannot lift ASO ROCK and CAST it into the LAGOON for me, you YET TO BELIEVE.

Figurative speech? Who told you that? I need the biblical reference.

So there figures of speech in the bible, are there figures of speech in the Quran?

You don't compare the Bible with the quran. The Bible is from Yahweh and the quran from allahh who copied some words from the bible.

Allahh became known about 650 years after Jesus had gone. Before then the meccans knew him as one of the idols in Kaaba. Even now allahh is worshiped in islam after they have promoted to the status of their true God the same way he was worshiped when he was an idol.

Read: https://www.nairaland.com/2287893/allah-loves-pagans-hates-jews

Besides, the quran cannot be understood without the Bible as no details are given about the key prophets it stole from the Bible. Again, it is incomplete on its own without reference to hadiths.

The same Bible you want to paint black is the standard your quran manipulatively recommended for Muhammad:

Quran 10:94] - And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers.

How come they come unto the (i.e Muhammad) for judgment when they have the Torah, wherein Allah hath delivered judgment (for them)? Yet even after that they turn away. Such (folk) are not believers (Quran 5:43). Even at Muhammad's time till today the Torah was valid for judgment, but only the people turned away from it according to Allah.

Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that
which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-doers (Quran 5:47). The Gospel was also valid for judgment at Muhammad's time and till date.

Say: "O People of the Book! (i.e the Jews and the Christians) Ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye standfast by the Law, the Gospel and all the revelations that has come to you from your Lord (Quran 5:71). How could Allah say Jew and Christian should stand fast by the Law and Gospel if they have been corrupted?

Now, what is your problem with the Bible.

rabzy01:
I fully answered your question thus:

Your answer has been debunked long ago.

Rylklef01:
Hello fellow Christians, let's forget about all this scriptural shits n let's talk about the real fact, lemme just ask a very simple question (of course Jesus Christ is coming back) but " did jesus talked about the last prophet in the bible", YES or NO?

NO

rabzy01:
1- I did not say God doesn't answer prayers.

2 - I just want know how many mountains YOU lifted and cast into the sea? (Mark 11:24-25). How about casting the Aso Rock into the Lagos Lagoon. Doesn't it sound a good idea

Muslims are carnal minded because they lack God's spirit and that is why they look at things from carnal perspective.

How many mountains did Jesus Himself cast into the sea? That should show you that the statement is figurative. It is talking about doing what is impossible to man.

rabzy01:
This is compilation of some of the lies and false promises that are found in the bible. There are not in anyway the whole, but some. I will just put down direct quotations from the bibile to ensure fairness. Therefore, I will not entertain any gain-saying, hearsay or personal interpretation; likewise ferry-tales will not be accepted.

1 - Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. Mark 11:24-25

2 - And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. John 14:13-14

3 - On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete. John 16:23-24

4 - If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. John 15:7

5 - It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you. John 15:16

6 - And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." Matthew 21:21-22

7 - And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. Luke 11:9-13

8 - Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. Matthew 7:7-8

9 - Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. Matthew 18:19-20



Why do a lot of Christians ignore what "Jesus" actually says in the Bible and tend to add things to the actual words to make them say something else?

Anyone who honestly and truthfully read the quotes above, without adding to them, will clearly see that, that "Jesus" is not saying that God will think about your prayers. He says God will grant all your prayers. Clearly, God does not grant all prayers and this proves that, that "Jesus" was a habitual liar.

Thank you.

Your questions summarized are:

1. Why do SOME pastors add charm to get done what they want?

2. You term Jesus whose name is the TRUTH (John 14:6) a liar due to your lack of knowledge as you said God does not answer all prayers.

Firstly, who was Jesus addressing? He was addressing the disciples who had dedicated their entire lives to God. He knew what they believed and their level of FAITH. Now tell me where any of the disciples prayed it was not answered.

It is only those who can live the kind of life lived by the disciples that are qualified for Jesus promise in those verses of the bible you cited. It has to do with the level of FAITH and DEDICATION, which those pastors who add something to God could not attain.

I tell you the truth, am a good example of Jesus answering prayers. If a Christian prayes and it is not answered, it is either the request is not the will of God for his life or his faith cannot carry his request.

Sin is a hinderance to prayers, it does matter you are a Christian. Infact the bible says God does not answer the prayer of a sinner (John 9:31)


Thoses verses have CONDITIONS attached to them to work. It is only those who can meet the conditions that it will work for.

The bible does not talk about jinns because they do not exist.

What muslims call jinns are fallen angels. I will open a thread on Islamic Jinns very soon.

[quote author=rabzy01 post=38586795][/quote]Even though you may not understand, let me say this in case there are people thinking like you.

When the Yorubas says Omoekun (lion's child), what do they mean? They are likening the child to a lion because he is very strong.

So in the same respect satan is likened to:

- Dragon because he does what the dragon does.

-Snake because it is tricky and poisonous.

-I wonder why you query satan being called devil because they are one and the same.

-Yes, satan has angels. They are the angels who supported him to rebel against God. Iblis as a jinn in islam has jinns who joined him in doing evil, is that not so?

rabzy01:
I asked this question right from the early stage of this thread but none of these people addressed it. In fact, one of them cancelled the bible verses.

I am still still asking:

Just like you have not addressed why allahh's angels are wiser than him.

rabzy01:
I asked two questions. You gave one verse. The verse you quoted does not answer any of the questions. Ironically, the verse brings more confusion. No where it says satan was an angel and it did not say he is not a jinn. Lets look at the verse again:

"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan,
which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him". Rev. 12:9

From the verse:

1 SATAN IS A DRAGON

2 SATAN IS A SERPENT (SNAKE)

3 SATAN IS A DEVIL

4 SATAN HAS ANGELS

5 SATAN TOGETHER WITH HIS ANGELS WERE THROWN DOWN


More confusion than solution.

Why should that straightforward verse confuse you?

You saw Satan having other names, is that your confusion? How many names do you give to satan in islam: Shaytan and Iblis. How many names do you have?

You are now satisfied he is an angel who has other rebellous angels with him.

.

rabzy01:
I will give you references from the Qur'an which clearly tell us that satan is in deed from among the jin.

Before I do that, I want you to please:

1- show me one, I say only one verse in the bible that says satan is not a jinn.

2 - give me one reference in the bible that says satan is or was an angel.

Rev. 12:9

The great dragon was hurled
down--that ancient serpent called
the devil, or Satan, who leads the
whole world astray. He was hurled
to the earth, and his ANGELS with
him.

trapQ:
Dear Mr Truthman,

No one knows where our good GOD is from. He is the begininning and the end, the alpha and the omega, the first and the last, the one and only true GOD, the omnipotent, omnipresent,omniscient GOD. I don't know where he's from, and no one knows either, I don't intend to know until the last day. All I know is that he is too real, unlike the dead muhammed and Allah that never promised to come back.

Since allahh is not Yahweh, he must be satan from the pit of hell.

You are taking eternal risk if you wait till the last day when it will be too late to repent.

lexiconkabir:
i got no time for ignoramus nonsense, click Q.18:50, satan is a jinn.

You have no time now because you couldn't answer the questions but you have time to write the trash you have been writing. Smh!