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Rilwon:
When you post you are no jobless. But when you post simulteneously on monday - the first week of resumption after 4days holiday, makes me feel you don't have a job. Because if you see how people are trooping in mass to their workplace this morning.. dayummmn! you as an oldman will even be ashamed to sit at home.

Do you really have a job??
I'll like to know sir

So old men also join trooping to workplace? Seriously, you are out of your mind.

Those who work hard in their old age are those who played when they were youths.

Should I pray for you that you will have reason to work hard till your old age when you are supposed to be resting?

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Rilwon:
loooool.. both the old jobless man (lieman) and his illiterat friend (malvis) are my shildren I can't just abandon them like that.

You've done your best bro, leave them to wallow in their ignorance

Nonsense!

When I post am jobless. When I didn't have time to post I went to hideout. You must be out of your mind.

enieme:
u better not let dem dash u high bp from theirs. I also thought they were trying to learn at first but turns out they only meant trouble in the first instance

Which trouble?

Tell us where we can find revelations allahh said he gave to Ishmael means trouble because the claim is a lie?

Rilwon:
Never knew you are now a hunter creating threads that will hunt people..LWKM

I am a hunter of the Devil wanting to snatch his captives. So am indirectly hunting you muslim (satan's captives) to snatch you from his severe claws.

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Rilwon:
The revelation given to him is the same as the one given to all other prophets i.e to belief in God as one and not to associate partners with him. His revelation was directed to his people as at his time. you grab?

Na wa for you o!

So merely telling his own family not to associate partners with allahh is a REVELATION?

Which people of his time did he tell not to associate partners except his own family and relatives as we see here:

And he used to enjoin on his family and his people As-Salat (the prayers) and the Zakat, and his Lord was pleased with him."Quran 19:55

So as you tell your family not to associate partners with allahh is a revelation allahh sent to you? It means every muslim is a prophet provided they tell their family not to associate partners with allahh.

Allah spoke to Abraham as a prophet.

He spoke directly to Moses as a prophet.

He spoke to Muhammad as his prophet.

What I am asking is: where did he speak specifically to Ishmael as a prophet, what was the message and to which people? Please attack proof.

This is another thread that will keep hunting Rilwon, tartar Demzy, Empiree, tbaba, vexdaxcool, lanrexlan and a host of others.

Rilwon:
But you said Isaac is not a prophet?

Is Abraham a prophet, yes or no? Did Abraham also come from the lineage of Isaaac?

Please answer my questions, don't evade them this time.



Wrong!

Here is what the Quran say
34/24"Verily We have sent thee in truth, as a bearer of glad tidings, and as a warner: and there never was a people, without a warner having lived among them (in the past).
14/4 " We sent not an apostle except (to teach) in the language of his (own) people, in order to make (things) clear to them. Now God leaves straying those whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases: and He is Exalted in power, full of Wisdom.

The point is there was not a nation that didn't receive a Messenger from God reciting to them the Truth in their own language. The Jews believe this too.

"The Talmud teaches that there were hundreds of thousands of prophets: twice as many as the number of people who left Egypt, which was 600,000. But most of the prophets conveyed messages that were intended solely for their own generation and were not reported in scripture . Scripture identifies only 55 prophets of Israel." http://www.jewfaq.org/m/prophet.htm

Frantically seeking to divert attention from the OP. Smh!

Rilwon:
Simple question u no answer

[size=20pt] WHO IS A PROPHET? [/size]

Stop this game my friend.

Tell us the revelations allahh claimed he gave to Ishmael and to whom.

tartar9:
there are both authentic and fabricated hadiths for your argument to be even considered simply use the authentic one's,simple!

Okay. Can you find for us the revelations allahh gave to Ishmael or is the quran lying?

Quran was sent to the illiterate Arabs:

Had We sent this as a Qur'an
(in the language) other than
Arabic, they would have said:
"Why are not its verses
explained in detail? What! (a
Book) not in Arabic and (a
Messenger an Arab?" Qur'an
41:44

He it is Who hath sent among
the unlettered ones a
messenger of their own, to
recite unto them His revelations
and to make them grow, and to
teach them the Scripture and
Wisdom enough herefore they
were indeed in error manifest
Qur'an 62:2.

rabzy01:
As a Christian, what made you believed that you being an non-jew (gentile) will enter the kingdom of God?

In more than one places in the Bible, Jesus himself testified that he was not sent to you as a black african. In fact he even warmed his diciples not to enter into the lands of non-jews and preach there. The religion Jesus brought with him from his God is for the Israelites only, so says the Bible not me.

Now lets look at some of the verses of the Bible.

1- Matthew
15:23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

2-Matthew
10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

3- The diciples obeyed the commad of Jesus in Matthew 10:6 as confirmed in Acts:
11:19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.

4- Matthew:
19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


Are you a lost sheep from the house of Israel?

You do not understand the bible. There is the dispensation of Gospel to the Jews and Gospel to the Gentiles. Jesus mission was to the Jews first and to the Gentile later.

The same Jesus said:
And this gospel of the kingdom
shall be preached in all the WORLD
for a witness unto all NATIONS; and
then shall the end come (Mat. 24:14).

The above verse should pose a serious problem for muslims because it says it is the Gospel that God allowed to be preached till the END OF THE WORLD. This shows islam is not from the true God.

tartar9:
you've already seen your defeat.why shouldn't I use the hadith.

If someone else uses hadith you will say it is fabricated but if you use it, it is authentic. That is hypocrisy and double standard.

enieme:
surah maryam quran 19, verses 54-55:

"54. And mention in the Book (the Qur'an) Isma'il (Ishmael). Verily! He was true to what he promised, and he was a Messenger, (and) a Prophet.
55. And he used to enjoin on his family and his people As-Salat (the prayers) and the Zakat, and his Lord was pleased with him."

Yes, that the quran calls him a prophet is not in dispute.

The bible calls him an archer and the quran calls him a prophet who was given REVELATIONS. The question is: what were the revelations given to him and where can we find them.

That he used to enjoin his family As-Salat was not a revelation. Every true muslim does that and does not amount to receiving revelation.

Intrepid01:
Chaii see people (both Christian and Muslims) trying to take God's position.

I am right, he is wrong syndrome. Just like Barca my team is the best not Real Madrid your team kind of discussion.

Human beings are so gullible and foolish to understand the power of choice that underlie humanity and existence.
Its either you take mine or you are wrong. They both accuse each other of what they are guilty of.

What is all this?

Remember this topic is Simple Question for Muslims.

rabzy01:
If only you read your bible, you will not make this comment. The bible contains both plain ince-nse and 100% hardcore P0n0grahy. Have you ever read these in the bible?

1- Daughters slept with their father
"And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father. – Bible : Genesis (19) : 33 – 36.

2- Brother slept with his brother's wife
"And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother’s wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother’s wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. – Bible : Genesis (38) : 8 – 9.

What you failed to realize is that the bible always says the truth. It didn't cover anyone who perpetrated evil. But those people who did evil in the bible, was it Yahweh who was responsible for their deed?

On this thread we are talking about what the god of islam said (not what an individual did or said).

Back to the topic, can you give us the revelations allahh said he gave to Ishmael to save him from being tagged a liar?

malvisguy212:
Surah 4:88: “Would you like to
guide him whom Allah has led into
error? And whomever Allah leads
into error , then you will never find
for him a way.” – Al-Qur’an

One thing we can say here is , the unbelievers are forever condemned , he cannot find his way "THEN YOU WILL NEVER FIND FOR HIM A WAY.”

This quote from the quran further confirms allahh is satan in disguise. Why would God lead people to error and still punish them for it?

But God demonstrates His own
love toward us, in that while we
were yet sinners, Christ died for
us (Romans 5:.

While allahh hates unbelievers, Jesus loves them and died for them. The truth is Muhammad did not represent the true God.

Muslims, don't come and tell us islam is the fastest growing religion anymore. It is a lie.

malvisguy212:
I love this, the muslims have been deceive into believing a false deity.

Any sane human being will know , Allah is the devil in disguise, take a look at this verse :

Surah 25:54: It is He Who has created
man from water: then has He
established relationships of LINEAGE AND MARRIAGE: for thy Lord has power
over all things. (Yusuf Ali)

Is this not in'cense in the quran ? This verse give the muslims men to marry from his lineage.

Good.

Any immoral acts are possible in islam. It is the Devil's device to make man sin against God, yet making them to believe they are on the right path.

Rilwon, tartar and others:

Do you now agree allahh is a lying idol?

Can the true God lie?

It is up to guys to surrender your life to Jesus, whose name is the TRUTH (John 14:6).

You are taking a high eternal risk by worshiping a false god.

Noise makers go and make your noise here:

https://www.nairaland.com/2628169/ishmael-prophet-simple-question-muslims

https://www.nairaland.com/2507051/muhammad-vs-other-prophets

https://www.nairaland.com/2511448/contradictions-quran

Hello everyone.

Allah has been caught lying as usual. He said he gave revelations to Ishmael which are nowhere to be found.

Notice that this is not the first time he would lie. Let me here compile the various lies told by al-lliar (allah) the muslims' god:

1. He said he gave Ishmael revelations, which we have discovered it is a lie as such revelations are non-existent.

2. He said people before Muhammad married the wives of their adopted sons, which was a lie he told the Arabians so that Muhammad's disgusting act of marrying Zainab, the wife of Zaid, his adopted son would be acceptable to the people.

3. When Muhammad received revelations from satan (allahh pretending not to be one, pure manipulations), he said Muhammad was not at fault as prophets before him did the same. I have found it was a lie by allahh as no prophets received revelations from satan like Muhammad.

4. He said there is no single contradiction in the quran, whereas there are loads of them.

All these have been put to muslims for defence but none of them could say anything. More are still on the way. I will keep posting quranic lies as soon as I discover them.

I think the fault is not allahh's, it is the fault of the muslims as he has owned up to being a DECEIVER. Why would anybody follow or believe a deceiver? The bible says ''test all spirits whether they are of God''.

malvisguy212:
trash, ishmael was not a prophet.

Genesis 16:12
He shall be a wild donkey of a man, his
hand against everyone and everyone's
hand against him, and he shall dwell
over against all his kinsmen.”

Good bro.

How can a prophet have the attributes mentioned in that biblical verse?

- A wild donkey

- His hand AGAINST everyone and everyone hand AGAINST him

- He shall dwell over AGAINST his kinsmen. Is this not the reason the Devil raised one of his descendants, Muhammad against the Jews and Christian?

mubarakopeyemi:
someone's in dire need of a job

What point are you making here?

Smh!!!

Medicis:
If not for the Bible, Muslims cannot even tell you about the genelogy of their so called prophet Ishmeal. The quran will be an incomplete thrash without the Bible and their hadith

Right.

enieme:
i wonder if ud be willing to provide me those refernces the biblw provided u about them then?

God was with the boy (Ishmael) as he grew
up. He lived in the desert and
became an ARCHER (Gen. 21:20).

Demmzy15:

Caught in the corner as usual.
Don't remain deceived.

enieme:
but those r d refrences i ady gave?
Whats it about disparticar prophet that Makes u doubt?

You see, because of my experience on the quran, I discovered many things Muhammad claimed allah revealed to him are unfounded. I have some examples I can cite.

The bible says he was a hunter and archer and not a prophet. Which is telling the truth, bible or quran? This is the reason I want to know how he was a prophet and the revelations given him according to the quran.

So help fish out the revelations given him and to who.

enieme:
in the Quran and d previousrevealed books

Let me have your references please.

tartar9:
seems like you spend more time with the Holy Qur'an than your bible

Is that the answer to the OP?

Annunaki:
I don't know why you bother yourself with these retaards, the quoran is full of contradictions and most muslims know trhis though they have been programmed to ignore this fact. Let them kontinu to wallow in their ignorance.

Thank you bro.

When a lie is repeated many times there is a high tendency for people to take it for truth.

I believe we should keep repeating the real truth for repeated lie not to take over.