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Where are muslims enjoined to throw stone at satan?

myproperty:
You don't seem to know how prophetic Ishmael is:
Ishmael is the origin of the Arab race, Islam was named after Ishmael that is why the biblical prophecy in Genesis 16:12( he shall be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren) is fulfilled in the life of muslims. So when you see muslims kill human beings know ye that it is the fulfilment of a biblical prophecy on muslims true Ishmael/Islam.

You are right bro.

A wild man who gave birth to wild Muhammad.

lexiconkabir:
satan is not an angel, but a jinn according to the quran. and you cant justify that satan is an angel from your bible either(i hope you wont go to book of job to look for your proof)

But you can't defend your saying na!

If satan is a jinn, what was he doing among angels?

If both angels and jinns lived together, why were other jinns too not among them?

If all jinns lived with the angels, when were they separated, giving references?

bookceleb:
read the verses you people are quoting now. your evidence is in it.im only explaining it to you.

What evidence?

That satan is a jinn that lived among angels?

Why are other jinns not living together with the angels?

Where is written that Adam once lived in heaven?

How did he get to the world?

Don't tell your story, give us islamic references.

bookceleb:
Iblis was just among the angels but he is not an angel.
i already told you how he got to be among the angels.
angels are created from light and Iblis was created from fire while Adam was created from clay

So angels and jinns lived together in the same realm. When was their realm separated? Give us your islamic reference.

trapQ:
GOD almighty

Is Yahweh or allahh the Almighty God?

Quran 9:29 says the Jews and Christians didn't believe in allahh. The God they believe in is Yahweh with whom they have been having relationship hundreds of years.

Quran 109:1-6 states allahh which Muhammad worshiped is not the same as Yahweh.

It was Yahweh people knew as Almighty God before allahh surfaced in Saudi Arabia hundreds of years later. Where was he from?

bookceleb:
as i have explained earlier:
it was when the angels came down on earth at the command of God to cleanse the earth of the jinns who were killing eachother that they saw Satan who was a jinn too. the angels grew fond of Satan and took him back to heaven.
Adam was not created yet at that time.

and living in thesame realm is possible as evident when Adam was created,he lived in heaven among the angels

I don't like people expressing sentiments as you are doing, without any authoritative backing.

You shouldn't think you can vomit just anything for people to swallow. Learn to attach evidence to anything
you claim.

Therefore your statement is void for want of evidence.

lexiconkabir:
and since its not all humans that do kill, then allah saw what they saw not.

Allah didn't see that any human would kill his fellow human at all and that was why he shunned the angels' advice.

Or are you saying he approves SOME humans killing their fellow humans?

I thought we are chating, why did you give up?

bookceleb:
Satan is a jinn and i just told you how he got to be in heaven among the angels.
Angels can never never disobey God.only man n jinns disobey God because we have freewill.
thats enough evidence satan was a jinn.

Is satan a jinn or an angel?

And behold, We said to the
ANGELS: "Bow down to Adam"
and they bowed down. Not so
Iblis: he refused and was
haughty: He was of those who
reject Faith.
Qur'an 2:34

The statement to bow to Adam was to the angels, what was Iblis (satan) if a jinn doing among the angels?

Do angels and jinns live in the same realm?

So much manipulations in islam.

lexiconkabir:
allah, sees what they see not, is it all humans on earth that kills?

Lol! Allah didn't see it, only the angels did.

It cannot be all humans that kill otherwise the world would have gone into extinction. Allah himself got fed up with man (infidels) and ordered for their killings. Is that what he saw and went a head to create them?

lexiconkabir:
and show me the place where Allah said they were wrong!

How could you ask that question?

Are you saying allahh agreed with them and still created man so that they would be shedding one anothers' blood?

lexiconkabir:
and what did the angels say that is contrary to what we actually see?

We see allahh who refused the advice of the angels is wrong at last. How could allahh have taught them and now they know better than him. Is that not contradictory?

bookceleb:
thanks for your time.
it was when the angels came down on earth at the command of God to cleanse the earth of the jinns who were killing eachother that they saw Satan who was a jinn too. the angels grew fond of Satan and took him back to heaven.
Adam was not created yet at that time.
and it was Adam and Eve that were casted out of heaven for their disobedient of eating the forbidden friut.
as i hav said earlier all Quran verses have causes of revelations which can be found in Tafsir.

Stop talking about something you cannot substantiate with evidence. Quote just one of the quranic verses.

lexiconkabir:
i seriously dont know your problem, the same angels you are trying to give high esteem than Allah, is telling you that Allah taught them all they know, so why dont you leave these angels alone? abi na by force to take panadol on top another person headache? hian! issorite.

Angels saying things contrary to what we actually see happened shows the quran is religious manipulations.

rabzy01:
If only that you are a little bit not lazy, you would have found out that your question has been answered by the angels themselves in 2:32 thus:

They (the angels) said, "Exalted are You; we have no knowledge except what You have taught us. Indeed, it is You who is the Knowing, the Wise." Al-Baqara (2:32)

I have already debunked that.

How could you say allahh taught the angels when can see that they are wiser than him?

Rilwon:
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That is what you think it is.

Was it allahh who taught his angels to know better than himself by saying they know nothing except that which he taught them. The quran is so funny and laughable.

Allah's angels advised him but he refused unfortunately, the angels were correct afterall. How is that debunked. Let's hear you speak, I can never be tired of your insults.

bookceleb:
Thanks for the questions.
The angels were not and are not wiser than Allah.
what happened was that the jinns were already on earth 2000years before Adam got created. and while they were on earth they shed many blood.
mind you satan is also a jinn and Allah commanded d angels to cleanse the earth driving away the jinns into rocks,trees,rivers etc. so when the angels heard that Allah wanted to create man and send man to live on earth again that was why the angels asked the question in the verse you quoted. not that the angels knew the future,only Allah has that knowledge and the created things cannot be wiser than the Creator of things.guess you should know that.
Peace

That is the post you have been anchoring your defence upon, right?

Your claims there are your own assumptions for lack of authoritative backings:

1. ''Jinns were already on the earth 2000 years before Adam was created'': let's have your source(s) from the quran or hadiths, not from any fable by any islamic clerics.

2. ''While they were on earth they shed many blood''. Give us your athentic source(s) or reference(s) to this as required above.

3. ''Allah wanted to create man and send man to live on earth again that was why the angels asked the question in the verse you quoted'' This is untrue until you can prove 1& 2 above.

trapQ:
Allah is satan.. Be enlightened so you don't beg for mercy on the last day

Who is the judge on the last day?

The question is so simple, I wonder why the irrelevant talks.

Allah wanted to create man, his angel advised him not to do so because they would be shedding each others blood. Allah said no, that he knows better than them.

Now we can see man shedding blood as foretold by the angels. Who was right: allahh or his angels? Period.

bookceleb:
you cant giv what you dont have.open your own eyes first. if im lying,state d truth.its an easy thing to do.

Answer the question na!
Who were the humans whose blood were shed by jinns before Adam was created?

bookceleb:
yea i can see that.he even said im lying.
but its only prudent i explain the verse to them.
they only want mischief

You know clearly yourself that you are lying based on my reply to your post.

No mischief, we are only trying to open your eyes to the falsehood of islam for you to accept the TRUTH, Jesus Christ.

tartar9:
don't waste your time with the lonely oldman

You call it a waste of time because you have no defence.

bookceleb:
Thanks for the questions.
The angels were not and are not wiser than Allah.
what happened was that the jinns were already on earth 2000years before Adam got created. and while they were on earth they shed many blood.
mind you satan is also a jinn and Allah commanded d angels to cleanse the earth driving away the jinns into rocks,trees,rivers etc. so when the angels heard that Allah wanted to create man and send man to live on earth again that was why the angels asked the question in the verse you quoted. not that the angels knew the future,only Allah has that knowledge and the created things cannot be wiser than the Creator of things.guess you should know that.
Peace

Your defence is glaring LIES. Muslims employ lies to defend the quran which is a bundle of lies itself. It take lying to justify lies.

Allah was yet to create man when the matter came up, whose blood were the jinns shedding on earth before Adam was created?

Satan, a jinn with other evil jinns in islam did not start doing evil things like shedding of blood until he (satan) refused to prostrate for Adam. I mean some jinns became disobedient to allahh after satan's refusal to prostrate for Adam. Why did you say they were on earth shedding non-existent human blood?

ZKOSOSO:
The attributes of Islamic Allaah is exactly the attributes of SATAN in the bible!

By their fruits ye shalt know them"......

Yes o !

myproperty:
Wao I never knew nor heard of this. Oh my God, thank God you are Jehovah, the Almighty God, the one that says and it come to pass, the all knowing God.
But for Allah?
That means the christian God which is all knowing is not the same with the Islamic Allah in which the angels are wiser than.

In fact allahh declared himself different from Yahweh:

[Quran 109:1-6] Say: O disbelievers! (i.e Jews and Christians who believe not in allahh).

I worship not that which ye worship;

Nor worship ye that which I worship.

And I shall not worship that which ye worship.

Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.

.

truthman2012:
[Quran 2:30 Pickthal] And when thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I am about to place a viceroy in the earth, they said: Wilt thou place therein one who will do harm therein and will shed blood, while we, we hymn Thy praise and sanctify Thee? He said: Surely I know that which ye know not.

The above was allahh's own narration of what transpired when he wanted to create man. His angels advised him not to do it as man will be rebellious and shed the blood of one another. Allah said no, the angels were wrong and that he knew better than them.

It turned out that his angels were correct afterall as what they said came to pass exactly so. We are all witnesses to how man have been shedding each others' blood. Ironically, allahh himself made many commands to shed the blood of infidels.

Is allahh wiser than his angels?

Is he all-knowing?

40 views, no muslim is capable of refutal. Serious!!!

[Quran 2:30 Pickthal] And when thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I am about to place a viceroy in the earth, they said: Wilt thou place therein one who will do harm therein and will shed blood, while we, we hymn Thy praise and sanctify Thee? He said: Surely I know that which ye know not.

The above was allahh's own narration of what transpired when he wanted to create man. His angels advised him not to do it as man will be rebellious and shed the blood of one another. Allah said no, the angels were wrong and that he knew better than them.

It turned out that his angels were correct afterall as what they said came to pass exactly so. We are all witnesses to how man have been shedding each others' blood. Ironically, allahh himself made many commands to shed the blood of infidels.

Is allahh wiser than his angels?

Is he all-knowing?

true2god:
No muslim will answer that. Surely satan lives in mina\mecca hence the need to stone him. That is the folly of ignorant muslims.

The bible says 'the weapon of our warfare are not carnal (like stoning the devil physically) but mighty throught God to the pulling down of strongthholds (islamic deceit), casting down imaginations and bringing into subjections all thoughts to the obedience of christ'.

So muslims symbolic stoning of satan is both an idolaterous and carnal practice without any spiritual value.

The muslims are dying for an act they don't know who commanded them to do.

There are many unanswered questions in islam. Smh for them.

Missing! Missing!! Missing!!!

The Scripture of Ishmael that the quran mentions, which ought to have existed before the quran is missing:

[Quran 19:54 Pickthal] And
make mention in the Scripture
of Ishmael. Lo! he was a
keeper of his promise, and he
was a messenger (of Allah), a
prophet.

tartar9:
okay,why do you xtians worship the devil by matching him?

Do they match on his image?

Now tell me:

Was it Abraham who erected satan's image in Mecca? Prove.

Where are muslims enjoined to stone satan as part of islamic worship?

tartar9:
okay,why do you xtians worship the devil by matching him?

Do they match on his image?

Now tell me:

What is Abraham who erected satan's image in Mecca? Prove.

Where are muslims enjoined to stone satan as part of islamic worship?