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mubarakopeyemi:
why do u resort to lying when u realized that you lost the arguement are u frustrated?
why the lies. it pains to feel you're d best and got beaten sorry daddy.

all these that u wrote above about Muhammad and Allah is false

let me tell u smtn u dont know.

you dont just attack people baselessly and senselessly. Apply logic, reason and most importantly sense.

thanks.

I see you are frustrated already. Rilwon abeg help me ooo. Before they kill me coz I dont accept the Yahweh of Israel as God oo.

Trash!!!

mubarakopeyemi:
Stop perambulating.
Your God:
-actually hates Esau. Thanks I thought you said he is loving. Where the hate he has for esau builds from, I don't know. First Bullet on your foot.



Apply this same logic when talkin about Allah. Allah is Gafuur (the forgiving) Raheem (The merciful)
From your explanations above, it is very clear that you're an hypocrite.
This same logic u used in defending Yahweh, use it in the other instance stop being an hypocrite.
Remember when I quoted. Quran 1:1.-- In the name of Allah the Gracious, the Merciful. You said How can i believe Allah is gracious to infidels with his statements as I have cited earlier? that i need a lot of explaining to convince right-thinking persons.

Quran 40:1-3
1. Ha-Mim.
2. The revelation of the Book (this Qur'an) is from Allah the All-Mighty, the All-Knower.
3. The Forgiver of sin, the Acceptor of repentance, the Severe in punishment, the Bestower (of favours), La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), to Him is the final return.

Allah will forgive disbelievers if the repent and desist from evil. Allah's legacy and evil people or disbelievers or wrongdoers are not the same. evil and good aint the same. Good definitely will not like evil.

You haven't seen that part of the bible before if you have you wouldn't have said Yahweh is all loving. He hates evil people and wicked people.
Your God:
-is not pleased with wickedness; evil people are not welcome. Second Bullet on your foot.



Refer to what I said above. Third bullet on your foot.



I love this part because
1- you proved that something said in the bible was not directly said by God Thanks for acknowledging that that bible as a whole can never be the word of God. Historians Prophets and Individuals have their episodes in it too. You even made it clear that he was just a king and not a prophet . Cool the words of a king who is not a prophet in the supposed book of God It is allowed.

2- You actually accepted that Yahweh hates the bloodthirsty and the deceitful and that all liars shall be destroyed in the lake of fire another Bazooka to your foot

Yahweh love Yahweh love. Shiior


Thanks for shooting yourself in the foot several times. Na oversabi dey cos am

Your God:
-actually hates Esau
-is not pleased with wickedness; evil people are not welcome
-The arrogant cannot stand in his presence. He hates all who do wrong;
-He destroy those who tell lies. The bloodthirsty and deceitful you, Lord, detest.
-will destroyed all liers in the lake of fire.

Before u accuse and speak ill of others look at your feet and see whether or not it is neat.

You brought up verses in the Quran showing Allah (swt) does not love those who disbelieve in Allah, those who are unjust, etc... We both agree on this point as the verses explicitly states. Allah (swt) extends his love to everyone, and only those who cast aside Gods love are those who God does not love. So rather, God loves everyone, except those who decide to dismiss or reject his love. Satan would be the perfect example. God extended his love for satan when he was in heaven with the angels, but when Satan challenged and disobeyed God did God not love Satan. Another quick point I had to make is that even the bible shows that God did not love everyone. Romans 9:13, Psalms 5, etc... are good examples which I had shown to u.


PLEASE ANY OTHER ARGUEMENT?? U Shot yourself already.
Thnks

Why are you shooting all the way? Why is islam all about shooting, beheading and bombing?

Your bullet cannot hit me, am covered with the blood of Jesus.

I am not expecting anything less from you. No deity can be more wicked than allahh and his sole prophet, Muhammad. He all his life as a muslim was warring, killing innocent souls he termed infidel after Jesus had stopped killings. Muhammad would sleep with the infidels' wives before their husbands before he would kill them(husbands).

He became stupendously rich looting infidels properties:

https://www.nairaland.com/2328538/omg-muhammad-men-super-rich

There was no type of sexual sins he didn't commit. Smh!!

Rilwon:
I have determine not to insult you again, being the fact that you are old enough to be my dad.. But, obviously, what you wrote up here shows that age is really affecting your reasoning. Perhaps as a result of those weed you smoked when you were of my age.

Now, I won't bother to type much, since you've refused to address my post as I have been addressin yours. Here is the verse again in 3 different translations.

Surah Maryam, Verse 54:
And mention [size=15pt] in the Book (the Quran) [/size] Isma'il (Ishmael). Verily! He was true to what he promised, and he was a Messenger, (and) a Prophet.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

Surah Maryam, Verse 54:
Also mention [size=15pt] in the Book (the story of) Isma'il: [/size] He was (strictly) true to what he promised, and he was a messenger (and) a prophet.
(English - Yusuf Ali)

Surah Maryam, Verse 54:
AND CALL to mind, [size=15pt] through this divine writ, [/size] Ishmael. Behold, he was always true to his promise, and was an apostle [of God], a prophet,
(English - Mohd Asad)




Your opinion does'nt count sir



Where is the story of Prophet Iddo?

Trash!!!

I don't mind, keep abusing me, it only shows how you were brought up. What is abuse compared to what islamic terrorists do worldwide? Don't stop it as am already used to it.

Call it a book, scripture or revelation, it doesn't make any difference. The fact that Ishmael lived before the quran shows whatever allahh gave him could not be the quran. He must have given him before the quran and we cannot find it, period.

I am begining to get tired of your false defensive system. In your past false defences on various threads you said Christians mentioned in the quran were muslims. In another defence you said Muhammad fought the pagans because they broke treaty. Later you changed it again that it was not pagan but Romans. You believe you can defend islam telling all sorts of lies.

I want to reluctantly tell you to let me have your post you are shouting I have not responded to. I have once asked for it, yet you kept shouting.

Prophet Iddo? I have responded to that on this thread, I don't have to repeat myself.

@ mubarakopeyemi


1. ***Romans 9:13
Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved,
but Esau I hated."

God as all-knowing who knows the end from the begining knew what Esau will become on earth because of freewill He gave to man. But He didn't order the people to kill him for hating him as allahh commaded the muslims to strike of the head of the unbelievers he hated.

4. *** For you are not a God who is
pleased with wickedness; with
you, evil people are not
welcome .

Yes, God is not pleased with wickedness and evil people. He wants them to repent and forsake their wicked and evil ways VOLUNTARILY. But records shows allahh will not allow unbelievers to repent VOLUNTARILY, he would force them and if they refuse to yield, muslims would strike of the neck.

5.*** The arrogant cannot stand in
your presence. You hate all who
do wrong;

God is not pleased with the arrogant and wrongdoer. But His love for them is in waiting for them for repentance and would wait for throughout their lives.

6. *** you destroy those who tell
lies. The bloodthirsty and
deceitful you, Lord, detest.

Firstly, David was a man who expressed his opinions in the Book of Psalms, it is not word directly from God. He was a king and not a prophet. Surely, God detests bloodshed if not in war situations because he said ''thou shall not kill''

The Book of Revelations makes us to know all liars shall be destroyed in the lake of fire.

Rilwon:
It doesn't make any sense when you write trash as a reply to my a post you didn't make an attempt to debunke at all. I was expecting you to address my post one after the other, but to my utmost surprise, you didn't fail to show your ignorance.



Lool! Hide? for what? I am not like you, you know? you will soon run to your hideout


You are again mixing revelation with book. Revelation doesn't necessarily mean a book; this was addressed up there. He received message from God, and he carried it out by enjoining his family and his people to Believe in God.

Surah Maryam, Verse 55:
And he used to enjoin on his family and his people As-Salat (the prayers) and the Zakat, and his Lord was pleased with him.
(English - Mohsin Khan)




Yes, it was the Prophet (SA). He was being reminded the story of Ismael.



The 'scripture of Ismael' mentioned here is the story of Ismael as according to the Quran. Other translation of the Quran attest to this.

Surah Maryam, Verse 54:
And mention in the Book (the Quran) Isma'il (Ishmael). Verily! He was true to what he promised, and he was a Messenger, (and) a Prophet.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

Surah Maryam, Verse 54:
And mention Ismail in the Book; surely he was truthful in (his) promise, and he was an apostle, a prophet.
(shakir)

Surah Maryam, Verse 54:
Also mention in the Book (the story of) Isma'il: He was (strictly) true to what he promised, and he was a messenger (and) a prophet.
(English - Yusuf Ali)

Surah Maryam, Verse 54:
AND CALL to mind, through this divine writ, Ishmael. Behold, he was always true to his promise, and was an apostle [of God], a prophet,
(English - Mohd Asad)




The scripture of ismael mentioned as according to the context of the chapter is the Story of Ismael narratated in the Quran. Verse 56 also talked about the story of Idris and not yhe scripture given to Idris.

Now, is the story of Prophet Iddo written?



Revelation is slightly different from scripture, stop mixing the two together.

You dont have to mention me all the time.

Your lies are great, even thought they do not hold water.

You said the Scripture of Ishmael is his story told by the quran. What is a Scripture? The Torah is a Scripture and so is the Injeel and the Quran.

Islamically speaking,Torah was given to Moses as a Scripture.

Injeel to Jesus as a Scripture.

Quran to Muhammad as a Scripture, right?

Ishmael lived long before Muhammad and that was before the quran.

Then, how can you say the revelations or Scripture allahh gave to Ishmael is the quran that had not existed in his time?

Your statement is like saying the story of Moses told in the quran is the Torah and there is no Torah as a separate Scripture. Likewise the Injeel (Gospel), given to Jesus is the story of Jesus in the quran and no Gospel anywhere as a separate Scripture. All these were Scriptures existing long before the quran.

You must be a small boy with childish reasonings and nobody should take you seriously anymore.

SUMMARY OF YOUR DEFENCE:

The Scripture of Ishmael who lived many years before the quran, which should have existed long before the quran is also the quran.

What a trash!

vooks:
I beg to differ, it is an unholy fear of exercising your mental faculties, go nothin to do with the devil

Differ?

You mean it was Abraham that erected the statute of satan they are stoning?

ifeness:
Really

Yes. Only spiritually minded Christians can fully understand his points.

@ OLAADEGBU
Love your spiritually technical points seriously joh!!!

rabzy01:
Though you did not answer all my questions, I will comment on your answers.

1- You confirmed that Jesus was not a Christian. So why are you Christian?

2- To claim that he did not establish a religion is quet funny.

3 Good to know that jesus did not call his diciples Christians, but the unbelievers did.

4- It is also good to know that you know that jesus did not build a church, but others did.

Yes, Christianity is not a religion, it is a way of life. Note that the disciples were not in any form of religious worship when the unbelievers observed them to be behaving like Christ. That was a good testimony from other people outside their group. It would have been self-praise if the disciples called themselves Christians - Christ-like.

Jesus was more than a Christian because He is the Christ. The meaning of Christian is Christ-like. Would he have called Himself Christ-like when He is the Christ? It is the followers that can be like Him, Christ-like.

Jesus said He would build His church and the gate of hell cannot prevail against it, meaning no satan or islam can eradicate His church. It doesn't matter whether the church was built by Himself or His disciples. He wanted the church built and it was built, period. Then He was and is communicating with the church till date because He is alive. All other prophets died and their bones remain in the grave but Jesus.

mustymatic:
lol...those verses are directly saying you shouldn't go to place of worship, to pray, so chritians r hypocrites ..

No, Jesus was teaching private or individual prayers, not congregational prayer (i.e church prayer). Would He expect many people shut the church doors against themself to be suffocated?

Note that Kaaba was already existing since the days of Abraham according to muslims. No doubt, Jesus must have been aware of its existence but He never talked about it. If it was a house built by Abraham for God, would He not have spoken about it? But there is no solat without facing Kaaba, a house dedicated to 360 idols, allahh being one of them.

truthman2012:
Trash!!!

You have no place to hide.

Is quran 19:55 the revelation allahh claimed he gave to Ishmael?

Was it Ishmael allahh spoke to in that verse or Muhammad?

Now look at this:

[Quran 19:54 Pickthal] And make mention in the Scripture of Ishmael. Lo! he was a keeper of his promise, and he was a messenger (of Allah), a prophet.

Where is the SCRIPTURE OF ISHMAEL that contains the revelations given to him?

You are hereby proved wrong that quran 19:55 is the revelation given to Ishmael.

Waiting for Rilwon!!!

OLAADEGBU:
A word of wisdom would say: "If you are a guest in satan's house don't throw stones"

Yes o bro.

Thank you.

MightyKabex:
MIGHTY_KABEX;;;
sallam aleykum warahmotullah..

Islam is Almighty God's best way of relating
with mankind. And the essence of Islam is
holiness and utmost righteousness. We know
the the only foible difference between a Kufar
and muslim is solaat.. And solat itself is also
supported by the bible. In the bible,we see
that praying to God by bowing down,
"solat" ..is a very accepted and truthful way..
For we see many characters in the bible
praying to God in the islamic way.. Let's take a
look at "sollat" in the bible. May Allah guide
us and bless us with retentiveness of the
brain.. Ameen.._______
"SOLAAT" in the bible_______
1-- "When Abram was ninety years old and
nine,
the LORD appeared to Abram ... And Abram
fell on his face." Genesis 17:1-3
2. "Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed."
Genesis 17:17
3. "There came a fire out from before the
LORD
... and ... when all the people saw, they
shouted, and fell on their faces." Leviticus
9:24
4. "Then Moses and Aaron fell on their faces."
Numbers 14:5
5. "And when Moses heard it, he fell upon his
face." Numbers 16:4
6. "And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto
Aaron, saying, Separate yourselves from
among
this congregation, that I may consume them
in
a moment. And they fell upon their faces."
Numbers 16:20-22
7. "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Get
you up from among this congregation, that I
may consume them as in a moment. And they
fell upon their faces." Numbers 16:44-45
8. "And they fell upon their faces: and the
glory of
the LORD appeared unto them." Numbers
20:6
9. "Then the LORD opened the eyes of
Balaam,
and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in
the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and
he ... fell flat on his face." Numbers 22:31
10. "Joshua ... lifted up his eyes and looked,
and,
behold, there stood a man over against him
with his sword drawn in his hand ... And
Joshua
fell on his face." Joshua 5:14

So any time anybody fell on his face in the bible, he is doing solat?

What are the procedures for solat? You do ablution first, face Kaaba, recite some words and then porstrate, not once, right?

Now tell me in the the occassions you cited, where did anyone follow those procedures?

I think the Israelites are in the habit of falling on their faces on hearing serious news or when they see something scary or frightful and not when praying or solat.

In the New Testament, when Jesus was teaching His disciples on how to pray in Matthew Chapter 6, He never taught them to observe solat:

Matthew 6:5-15

5 “And when you pray, you
must not be like the
hypocrites. For they love to
stand and pray in the
synagogues and at the street
corners, that they may be seen
by others. Truly, I say to you,
they have received their
reward. 6 But when you pray,
go into your room and shut
the door and pray to your
Father who is in secret. And
your Father who sees in secret
will reward you.
7 “And when you pray, do
not heap up empty phrases as
the Gentiles do, for they
think that they will be heard
for their many words. 8 Do
not be like them, e for your
Father knows what you need
before you ask him. 9 Pray
then like this:
“Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be i your name.
10 Your kingdom come,
your will be done,
l on earth as it is in
heaven.
11 Give us nthis day our
daily bread,
12 and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven
our debtors.
13 And olead us not into
temptation,
but deliver us from
qevil.
14 For if you forgive others
their trespasses, your heavenly
Father will also forgive you,
15 sbut if you do not forgive
others their trespasses, neither
will your Father forgive your
trespasses.

rabzy01:
Please help me with biblical references for the following:

(1) Where Jesus said he was a Christian or said that the name of the religion he brought is Christianity.

(2) Where Jesus built a place of worship and called it church.

(3) When and where was the first church built.

Can you confirm to me that all those who wrote the "Gospel" were disciples?

Thank you.

1. Jesus didn't establish a religion, He promised to build His church, which was built by His disciples:

And I say also unto thee, That
thou art Peter, and upon this rock
I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH; and the
gates of hell shall not prevail
against it (Mat. 16:18).

It was in Antioch that the disciples were called Christians because the people saw them behaving like Christ, though it was after Jesus had gone: ''When he found him, he brought
him back to Antioch. Both of them
stayed there with the church for a
full year, teaching large crowds of
people. (It was at Antioch that the
believers were first called
Christians.) Acts 11:26.
Christian means ''like Christ'' We love the name and we answer it.


Jesus knew about the name as he didn't object to it when He sent messages to the churches after he had gone (Rev. 1:4-20).

2. Already answered.

3. See church history here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_church_buildings

lawbabs:
You are spot on. I am just seeing this post. I also suggest that we don't condemn the OPs. He is in the quest to know and thank God for you, bro. To corroborate your contribution, Apostle Paul mentioned that he was unashamed of the gospel of Christ. For it is the power of God that brings salvation to them that believe... first to the jews, and then to the gentiles.

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile" - [Romans 1:16].

Thanks bro. God bless you.

elijah2u:
One thing I know is that, every one has strong conviction of what he or she believes. Jesus is Lord!

What is the meaning of this?

Will God judge you on your conviction or His words?

Does Satan have a house in Mecca?

Was it Abraham who built the image representing satan when the law of God says 'thou shall not make a graven image'?

"You shall not make for yourself
an IMAGE IN THE FORM OF ANYTHING
in heaven above or on the earth
beneath or in the waters below (Exodus 20:4).

With satan's image or symbol in the 'holy city', how can you prove islam is not idolatery?

Would you blame satan for throwing back their stones that killed as many as 700?

truthman2012:
[Quran 48:29] Muhammad is the
messenger of Allah. And those
with him are HARD against the
disbelievers and MERCIFUL among
themselves......

Allahh is not GRACIOUS to unbelievers but HARD/HARSH against them.

@ mubarakopeyemi

Yes or No?

mubarakopeyemi:
In the case of christianity, an unbeliever that died without believing Yahweh killed his son is going to Hell fire, is this true or not?

Are dead non-christian/unbeliever going to hell or not??

How relevant is your question?

The bible says God is not pleased with the death of a sinner but him to come to repentance (Ezekiel 18:23, 32).

God's grace and love endure till the end of a human life.

truthman2012:
Trash!!!

You have no place to hide.

Is quran 19:55 the revelation allahh claimed he gave to Ishmael?

Was it Ishmael allahh spoke to in that verse or Muhammad?

Now look at this:

[Quran 19:54 Pickthal] And make mention in the Scripture of Ishmael. Lo! he was a keeper of his promise, and he was a messenger (of Allah), a prophet.

Where is the SCRIPTURE OF ISHMAEL that contains the revelations given to him?

You are hereby proved wrong that quran 19:55 is the revelation given to Ishmael.

Rilwon

mubarakopeyemi:
Quran 1:1 - In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.

Gracious

adjective gra·cious \ˈgrā-shəs\

a : marked by kindness and courtesy <a gracious host>

b : graceful

c : marked by tact and delicacy : urbane

d : characterized by charm, good taste, generosity of spirit, and the tasteful leisure of wealth and good breeding <gracious living>

Merciful

adjective mer·ci·ful \ˈmər-si-fəl\

: treating people with kindness and forgiveness : not cruel or harsh : having or showing mercy

: giving relief from suffering


That is the first verse in the Quran, out of the numerous places where it is mentioned that Allah is loving, merciful, gracious, forgiving, helping etc

[Quran 48:29] Muhammad is the
messenger of Allah. And those
with him are HARD against the
disbelievers and MERCIFUL among
themselves......

Allahh is not GRACIOUS to unbelievers but HARD/HARSH against them.

mubarakopeyemi:
Quran 1:1 - In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.

Gracious

adjective gra·cious \ˈgrā-shəs\

a : marked by kindness and courtesy <a gracious host>

b : graceful

c : marked by tact and delicacy : urbane

d : characterized by charm, good taste, generosity of spirit, and the tasteful leisure of wealth and good breeding <gracious living>

Merciful

adjective mer·ci·ful \ˈmər-si-fəl\

: treating people with kindness and forgiveness : not cruel or harsh : having or showing mercy

: giving relief from suffering


That is the first verse in the Quran, out of the numerous places where it is mentioned that Allah is loving, merciful, gracious, forgiving, helping etc

How can you believe allahh is gracious to infidels with his statements as I have cited above? You need a lot of explaining to convince right-thinking persons.

Irony!!!

Jesus was a muslim who built churches by his disciples.

The disciples were muslims who wrote the Gospel and built churches.

Moses was a muslim who received the Laws for the Jews, which should mean the Jews are muslims. Are they?

Quran is full of lies!!!

malvisguy212:
am I lying ? Can you list verse were Allah love unbelievers ? NO!!

ALLAH HATES UNBELIEVERS:

If muslims talk nice or behave good to those they term infidels or unbelievers, they are pretending. Their god does permit being good to unbelievers.

Slay the
unbelievers
wherever
you find
them
(2:191)

Make war
on the
infidels
living in
your
neighborhood
(9:123)

When
opportunity
arises, kill
the infidels
wherever
you catch
them (9:5)

Kill the
Jews and
the
Christians
if they do
not convert
to Islam or
refuse to
pay Jizya
tax (9:29)

Any
religion
other than
Islam is
not
acceptable
(3:85)

The Jews
and the
Christians
are
perverts;
fight them
(9:30)

Maim and
crucify the
infidels if
they
criticize
Islam
(5:33)

The
infidels are
unclean;
do not let
them into a
mosque
(9:28)

Punish the
unbelievers
with
garments
of fire,
hooked
iron rods,
boiling
water; melt
their skin
and bellies
(22:19)

Do not
hanker for
peace with
the
infidels;
behead
them when
you catch
them
(47:4)

The
unbelievers
are stupid;
urge the
Muslims to
fight them
(8:65)

Muslims
must not
take the
infidels as
friends
(3:28)

Terrorize
and
behead
those who
believe in
scriptures
other than
the Qur’an
(8:12)

Muslims
must
muster all
weapons to
terrorize
the infidels

Rilwon:
You are mixing things up old man. When I said the bone of contention, I wasnt talking about the only message/revelation or the same revelation.. What I mean by 'bone of contention' is the main issue i.e. the most important message being revealed.. Jesus in Mark 12:29 laid emphasy on this when he said 'the most important commandement is to understand the God is ONE...
Please don't get me wrong.




I have addressed this up there, only that you just want to remain stiffnecked. The record is not our concern if not what is in it, Quran 19:55 already made it clear that is in the record.

Now, let me ask you: Where is the story of Prophet Iddo written?




Thats your opinion, and that you typed it here doesnt make it true. My response so far is enough for any sane individual that your assertion above is nothing but lie.




Do you know all the Prophets sent by God? If yes - Please start by telling us their names and their wives..

Trash!!!

You have no place to hide.

Is quran 19:55 the revelation allahh claimed he gave to Ishmael?

Was it Ishmael allahh spoke to in that verse or Muhammad?

Now look at this:

[Quran 19:54 Pickthal] And make mention in the Scripture of Ishmael. Lo! he was a keeper of his promise, and he was a messenger (of Allah), a prophet.

Where is the SCRIPTURE OF ISHMAEL that contains the revelations given to him?

You are hereby proved wrong that quran 19:55 is the revelation given to Ishmael.

Demmzy15:
Where's the story of Prophet Iddo as asked?!

Educate yourself here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iddo_(prophet)

Or Google prophet Iddo

Rilwon:
I know what it means.. But wait, why didnt you address the other post?

Kindly refer back to the post please..



I have been repeating my explanation to you repeated question. Please dont let enieme mock me. She already warned me that you will waste my time, but being the fact that you are my child I am not ready to leave you just like that.

rev- e- la- tion
1.
2.
[rev- uh -ley -sh uh n]
noun
the act of revealing or disclosing; disclosure. something revealed or disclosed, especially a striking disclosure, as of something not before realized.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/revelation

In other words, God revealed many disclosure that are not before realized to people that are not even Prophets.



When it happened is best known to God. Where it happened is not the bone of contention.. The bone of contention is what the message was which is to believe in God and not to have partners beside him.

Which other post are you talking about?

Sure, God reveals only messages that are yet unknown to man, no need repeating Himself and that is one of my points. Every generation has peculiar messages based on their actions and behaviours and God often times needed to speak to them through various prophets.

But according to islam and even you, allahh was reaping himself hundreds of times in all generations Infact, he had no other message other than ''worship one-God and do not associate partners with him, other aspect of human lives did not matter to him. As if that existing message is not on records already, he keeps sending all prophets to say the same thing for all generations.

That reapetition of messages by allah is what you anchored your defence upon by saying all prophets, including Ishmael were given the same message, because you could find the revelations allahh claimed he gave to him.

We found where allahh spoke to Adam. We found where he spoke to Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad etc but no record of where he spoke to Ishmael as a prophet. So in islam it is only the revelation given to Ishmael that is missing. There is record of even Adam who first lived, why is that of Ishmael who lived much later is missing.

The truth is that no revelation was given to Ishmael, it is only one of the devices of the Devil to deceive humanity.

As I said earlier, Ishmael case is not the only lie I discovered in the quran, the false claim of past prophets marrying the wives of their adopted sons and past prophets receiving revelation from satan like Muhammad could not be disputed.

Rilwon:
my bros, annunaki a.k.a jagoon is not a boy o. He is probably of the same set with Oladeegbu, even if oladeegbu is older than him, its goin to be like 5years difference. Malvisguy as foolish as he is either slightly above 30 or going to 40.

Too many old fools on this board. smh!

If 30 40 years people are old people to you, then you must be a juvenile. No wonder your reasoning is puerile.

What is wrong in Yahweh loving sweet burnt animals' aroma? Is he not entitled to what He likes?

Doesn't the quran confirm Torah as a guidance for mankind?

What is your point really?

Rilwon:
Wow! so you can turn to verses to substantiate Abraham but you cant do the same for Ismael? Thought pu quoted Quran 19:55 the other time?
What revelation did Abraham receive?



Issorite!



I don't get you here. You don't expect the record of where God spoke to every prophet sent by him. You've already been shown that thousands of prohet was sent by him, where he spoke to them is not the bone of contention if not the message spoken to them. Quran 19:55 as you rightly quoted the other time attest to the fact that he delivered God's message to his fsmily and his people. What nonsense are you asking me again

Please define the word 'REVELATION'..

Okay, I now understand your problem. You do not know what revelation is.

Revelation means God talking to man audibly or by dream or by inspiration, just as Muhammad heard Gabriel speak to him.

When and where did that happen to Ishmael and what was the message?

Rilwon:
intr.v. trooped, troop·ing ,
To move or go as a group or in large numbers: .
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/trooping

The President doesn't go all alone to his office, does he?

The president goes in a convoy of cars to office and not as a troop. Trooping mean moving on legs. Understand?

Rilwon:
Well, the President is 72 years old. And if he had happened to be in Nigeria today, he would've joined the trooping to his office in Aso rock.

Are you older than him?

Do you know the meaning of the word ''trooping''?

Does a president troop to office?

I wonder what will become of you brain when you are a little older. No wonder your defences do not tally with good reasoning.

Rilwon:
Yes, Moses and Jesus was sent with the same message. Read Deut 6:4 and Mark 12: 29



Thank you for providing the verse, the bolded tells it all.



Yes, if my family were not aware of the beautiful message before, and i happened to received the message from God through revelation to enlighten them about who God is; is no doubt a revelation. That exactly is the case of Ismael.



The question you should be asking is that, what was the bone of contention i.e. the most important message he spoke and expected them to carry out.




This question doesn't make sense. Try again.

Allah claimed he spoke to Abraham and we have many verses to turn to.

He claimed he spoke to Moses, there are many references.

You claim he spoke to Muhammad, the whole quran is clear on that.

Where did he speak to Ishmael as a prophet? Nowhere!!!

Allahh is a liar, Ishmael did not receive any revelations as claimed by him.