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johnydon22:
Now i will like you to think about the bolded, take all the time you need..

The bolded is the truth. If it means He loves suya, so be it. What is wrong in loving what He loves?

Annunaki:
Allah is still an idol, the fact that mohamed tried to promote him does not take away the fact that allah is an idol.

Yes, you got it.

johnydon22:
Lmao. . Am not a backslider, i just don't subcribe to shiit anymore.

Anyway You asserted above that judaism don't eat sacrifices, i know it is not true and i want to teach you that they do eat it using the bible.

I do not need to believe in myth in order to show you the texts, we are discussing biblical texts here not belief..

You are not very bright because you should have been able to discern that showing you one or two verses in the bible is not same as believing.

Let me just hope you won't make that mistake again because it shows people around you haven't even the bible as much as you think you have...

Only wanted to help you so you don't go repeating it again....

You are making a serious mistake. For your info I am not on this forum to be praised or rated high if that is your problem. No. Am here to open muslims eyes to the deception of islam and I started it more than 40 years ago. So I don't argue for argument sake. I don't even care what you or anyone feels about me.

David0:
U really should read what this topic is about.

What!!!

Who opened the thread in the first place?

johnydon22:
Don't be too quick bob. . I was a christian, have read the bible many times and i studied in the seminary... so calm down..
I spent 6 formative years in seminary; you haven't studied the bible half of what i have studied. . Just tell me to teach you that they do eat it.

You don't really read the bible because if you did you would have known.

Maybe you have been under a rock or something....

I attack Islam on this forum, my post on this thread is against Islam and Christianity concerning Abraham.... No muslim even bothered quoting that post, but surely a christian would even though it was also against Islam..

https://www.nairaland.com/2501254/women-rights-islam
https://www.nairaland.com/2420021/islamic-sharia-death-sentence-kano
https://www.nairaland.com/2243457/justice
https://www.nairaland.com/2139311/pedophilialism-islam-sickening-atheist-view

these are just four of my thread against Islam and can count up to ten, not here to bring the links. . Please now stop playing the victims card because nobody is attacking anybody.

I only want to teach you that they eat sacrifices in Judaism from the bible itself. . is that an attack?

I don't need the bible teaching of an atheist, a backslider. Why would you teach anyone about something you don't believe in anymore?

What you studied in the Seminary (if true as I can't rely on the claim of an atheist) was the letter of the words of God as it didn't mix with faith in your heart, hence your going back to Egypt.

Letter killeth it is the spirit that gives life. Anyway, I pray God would restore you if you are one of the elects.

mustymatic:
Surah Hajj,
36: And the Budn (cows, oxen, or camels driven to be offered as sacrifices by the pilgrims at the sanctuary of Makkah.) We have made for you as among the Symbols of Allah, therein you have much good. So mention the Name of Allah over them when they are drawn up in lines (for sacrifice). Then, when they are down on their sides (after slaughter), eat thereof, and feed the beggar who does not ask (men), and the beggar who asks (men). Thus have We made them subject to you that you may be grateful.
37:
It is neither their meat nor their blood that reaches Allah, but it is piety from you that reaches Him. Thus have We made them subject to you that you may magnify Allah for His Guidance to you. And give glad tidings (O Muhammad SAW) to the Muhsinun (doers of good).
Our Lord Allah doesn't need anything from any sacrifice except piety. and it is eaten
on the other hand, the bible god aka suya loving god does

Does the true God (Yahweh) eat suya? He only loves the sweet smell of burnt animals. Perceiving the smell is not the same as eating it.

Allah was not known as God before the advent of Muhammad. The Arabians knew allah as the head of the 360 idols inside Kaaba. Coincidentally, this idol (allahh) was the one belonging to Muhammad's family, hence his father's name was Abdullai (Abduallah), meaning servant of allah. Muhammad's family had been worshiping allah before islam and in islam.

Gabriel who appeared to Muhammad was the spirit of his fathers' idol (allah) and that was why he directed him to declare allah as the true God. Yet they worship allah today as he was worshiped when he was an idol.

David0:
U obviously didn't get my point.
I am not supporting Muslims offering sacrifice of ram, I believe Jesus hv atoned for us all. But dats my belief as a Christian, d Muslims hv theirs. Now becos I believe their sacrifices means nothing to me, I eat d fried ram meat wt joy.

It is not what you believe that matters but what the truth is. There is what is called 'faith and truth'. Many people strongly believe in what is not the truth. Their faith in error cannot justify them.

The bible says you shall know the TRUTH and it shall set you free. Knowledge of the truth and having belief in it is what sets free and not what you believe.

theAtheist101:
Sacrifice of Well-Being/Fellowship Offering (Hebrew, zevah shelamim) (Lev 3; 7:11-35).
A herd or flock animal could be offered. Innards (fat, kidneys, and part of the liver) were burned in the altar fire. Most of the animal was eaten, divided between the priests and the offerer. This sacrifice was, therefore, associated with feasting. As the name suggests, it had a strongly
positive character.

Source: http://www.sbl-site.org/assets/pdfs/TBv2i5_Gilders2.pdf

But, now they claim not to bring sacrifices again, because King Solomon, the Prophet Hosea and the other Prophets taught not to (more like god has changed his ways .) But, do how long it would have taken all of them to change from the old ways?

Source: http://www.beingjewish.com/unchanged/sacrifices.html


Offerings to Ogun

Offerings to Ogun should generally be live animals killed during the ceremony. If you are not comfortable with killing larger animals, you can kill snails and offer them to him. If you are absolutely against killing any animal that you don’t intend to eat or aren’t defending yourself from, and you’re vegetarian, you can give him roasted yams or spicy beans as a food offering, along with some rum, palm wine, or other strong but tasty alcohol. Do not ever leave empty bottles standing with the top on once you are Ogun aware. If a bottle is empty, leave the top off, and if possible, lay it on its side. If you’re not vegetarian, don’t fret because offerings (ebo) to Ogun don’t go to waste. You either leave them out for whoever wants to take them, or you and your family/community eat them.

source: http://soulmindbody.net/esu/2011/02/ogun-ogoun/

Did you read the bible references before you pasted them? I doubt it.

Firstly, chapter 3 of the book of Lev. does not have up to 35 verses as you quoted.

Secondly, only a fractional part of the meat was allowed to be TAKEN AWAY . The whole rest is burnt for God. The other time you said it is only the blood they offer as sacrifice.

It makes no physical or spiritual sense to offer something to God or idol and the offerer takes it and consume it by himself. It shows he offers it to himself and not his god.

David0:
U see, it is dis over sabi things u guys display sometimes dat mk unbelievers detest Christianity.

They called it sacrifice, I called it food by the authority God has given me.

As a christian, that sacrifice means nothing to me.

It could mean nothing to you but God in His words said He detests it. Keep eating it and be prepared to face Him in argument.

johnydon22:

No offence but you really haven't read the bible as much as you think. . .They do eat it but it must be that exact same day and some parts are given to the priests and his sons, only the inner parts of the meat is actually burnt as an offering to yahweh..

Unless it is a whole burnt offering (Tamid) is burnt whole. . the other 4 remaining types of sacrifices are eaten...

Would you like me to take you up on some bible schooling about that?

Why do you read the bible when you have no faith in it?

I know it is not from your study of the bible but what you searched on the subject, which is still subject to investigation as you have no biblical reference to support your claim.

I have noticed over time that atheists are always in support of islam despite their claim that they do not believe in religion. Anyone who supports islam has the spirit of islam, ignorantly or knowingly. The Devil that makes them not to believe in God is also responsible for muslims believing in false god, allahh.

David0:
My message is clear, I am a Christian. I don't believe in offering animals as sacrifice.
If d Muslims believe in offering ram for sacrifice, it's their business, who dey offer it to, is also their business. They see d ram as a sacrifice, I see it like fried meat. They give me, I eat, I drink water I move on.

I don't need to ask who u sacrifice to, cos as a Christian, it means nothing to me.

So it means nothing to you to eat meat offered to idols? May God deliver you from love of food

Since animal sacrifices are no more acceptable to God, those who still offer them are not doing them for God but idols.

But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess
and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality AND TO EAT FOOD SACRIFICED TO IDOLS (Rev. 2:20).

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phatriqk:
to me religion is d major problem in d world, imagine a world without religion where jus worship God as one n not having all D's believe of being superior to one anoda, cus even in d Christian religion dey still condemn each oda, condemning Islam won't b a big deal den, imagine Christian faithful condemning each odas denominations Catholic vs protestant, protestant vs cele etc. wtf is all D's superiority gonna get u, forget religion n let's embrace one on judgement day erryone will get wat he deserve. y fight ourselves

Coming from someone who claims to be a Christian. No doubt, you don't know the difference between Christianity and islam and no knowledge that Jesus and Muhammad did not preach the same God.

You need to search for the truth prayerfully.

David0:
As a Christian, I believe before Jesus paid d utmost sacrifice, the atonement of sin was d sacrifice of lamb.
Usually when sacrifices are made, u can tell if it is accepted by d movement of the flame/smoke.
If the smoke moves straight up to heaven, dat way u knw God accepted it, but if the smoke is scattered about, then it is not accepted. The presence of God is usually felt thru the wind.

The sacrifice was not usually eaten, but rather left to burn to ash.

But I don't think we are in a position to question what d Muslims do. We shud even b happy d so called sacrifice is bn eaten, since such sacrifice is no longer relevant to us Christians.

So rather than question them, chop meat and clean ur mouth.

You appear contradicting yourself.

As you believe in Jesus sacrifice after which there should be no more animal sacrifices, to whom do muslims offer their animal sacrifices?

Why do you eat their sacrifices and clean mouth as a Christian after you have known there should be no more animal sacrifices?

theAtheist101:
There is no general rule for sacrifices! Animal offerings are actually eaten by some beliefs. Read about Judaism and even some of our African traditional religions.

In Judaism sacrifices are not eaten but burnt for God to perceive the smell. In African religious traditions, they don't eat sacrifices but leave the object of the sacrifice for the gods.

I have witnessed sacrifices to sango, ogun and even osun, no one ate the sacrifices, they are left them for the gods.

Can you give me your source where only the blood is required by the gods and not both the blood and the meat.

Besides, as an atheist do you believe in sacrifices?

theAtheist101:
What else? So, you think he would throw the meat away? "God" only needed the blood, so he would definitely take the meat. And I didn't expect him to do otherwise, if it was his son he ended up killing! Yet, it is these barbaric people Nigerians/Africans have made their role models.

It is not normal for man to offer a sacrifice to a god and still eat the sacrifice by himself. When people offer sacrifice, they leave the object there for the god.

Thanks for the OP.

Why would Allah deceive humanity by substituting another man for Jesus if he is God?

Was he afraid of the Jews making him to provide the substitute?

Had he no power to take him away without substitution?

Yahweh the true God would not deceive any human, in fact He hates deception. Unlike allah who claims he's the worst deceiver. That shows Quran is complete deception because it is the words of a deceiver.

Let me paste this before my phone finally dies off:
http://www.thewordout.net/pages/page.asp?page_id=56539

I dey come o!
Not what you are thinking, my battery is low right now.

tartar9:
Yes! it answers your question

Smh!

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phatriqk:
na u sabi, u grew to know Christianity as your religion so does Muslim too, u r so sure of your faith becus of d bible, they r sure of their faith becus of Quran. so my don't consider ya self more worthy than them, u have no right no reason to critise them Mr man. for all I know is DAT is not religion that determins your fate but your works OK. Quote me if you wish all I know is DAT is not by religion I believe Muslims too will enter heaven.

Now I know the type of person you are.

true2god:
The devil must be residing in kabba\saudi arabia but refused to leave, even after over 1400 years of islamic stonning. The satan must be so strong to remain in mecca after receiving billions of stonings.

How can a normal human being spend thousands of naira only to go stoning an elusive devil and die in the process?

Kaaba itself is the house of the devils. Or what do you call a house where 360 idols were stored.

The bible calls satan a murderer, no wonder he always murders his devotees in mecca. There has been no year he didn't kill muslims in mecca.

tartar9:
and you'll later tell us Yahweh does not like suya

Is this your answer to the questions?

phatriqk:
am a Christian dude, but I don't support criticism of soda peoples faith ok

Who is a Christian?

Would a true Chritian call a fellow human fool against Jesus instruction?

Would a true Christian be content seeing people deceived by the devil?

You need to re-examine your life if you are a Christian. Anyone who believes in Christianity and islam at the same time is Chrislam.

phatriqk:
Fool, why put god' not God mumu

Trash!
Why avoid the answer?

There is this story of Allah commanding Abraham to sacrifice his son to him. Abraham is said to obey but before he did the slaughtering, allahh provided a ram to be killed instead of the son.

After killing the ram, did Abraham and his family eat it as muslims do today?

Why should muslims eat what is sacrificed to their god?

Stoning satan every year by millions of muslims, yet he remains alive and strong shows they embark on an exercise in futility.

Would God enjoin His people to do such?