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Sahih al-Bukhari,
Volume 7, Number 17:
Narrated Jabir bin
'Abdullah: When I got
married, Allah's Apostle
said to me, "What type of
lady have you married?" I
replied, "I have married a
matron.' He said, "Why,
don't you have a liking for
the virgins and for
handling them ?" Jabir also
said: Allah's Apostle said,
"Why didn't you marry a
YOUNG GIRL so that you
might play with her and
she with you?"

mustymatic:
You are indeed a psycho. provide facts

From the testimony of two or more, the truth shall be established.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 38,
Number 504:
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
I was accompanying the Prophet
on a journey and was riding a
slow camel that was lagging
behind the others. [...] When we
approached Medina, I started
going (towards my house). The
Prophet said, "Where are you
going?" I said, "I have married a
widow." He said, "Why have you
not married a virgin to F.ONDLE with
each other?"

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number
3459:
Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased
with them) reported: I married a
woman, whereupon Allah's
Messenger (may peace be upon
him) said to me: Have you
married? I said: Yes. He said: Is it
a virgin or a previously married
one (widow or divorced)? I said:
With a previously married one,
whereupon he said: Where had
you been (away) from the
amusements of virgins? Shu'ba
said: I made a mention of it to
'Amr b. Dinar and he said: I too
heard from Jabir making mention
of that (that Allah's Apostle) said:
Why didn't you marry a girl, so
that you might sport with her and
she might sport with you?

Was the Fatwa wrong?

See futher proof:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/830694-ayotallah-khomeinis-fatwa-permitting-grown-men.html

"A man can marry a girl younger
than nine years of age, even if the
girl is still a baby being breastfed.
A man, however is prohibited
from having intercourse with a girl
younger than nine, other sexual
acts such as pre-intimacy, rubbing,
kissing and sodomy is allowed. A
man having intercourse with a girl
younger than nine years of age
has not committed a crime, but
only an infraction, if the girl is not
permanently damaged. If the girl,
however, is permanently
damaged, the man must provide
for her all her life. But this girl will
not count as one of the man's
four permanent wives. He also is
not permitted to marry the girl's
sister."

That was exactly what Muhammad did in his own time too.

Islam is about sexual immoralities, sins worst hated by God. How can anyone leave islamically and please God?

Advice: Don't leave your baby girl with a muslim neighbour.

http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/Islamic-sexual-perversion.htm

Abuamam:
Your posts are just too silly. I for one, don't really like responding to them. Your lack of knowledge is palpable; and the problem is... you do not know that you do not know.

As lightindarkness has already pointed out, justice refers to equal treatment in possessions, not having equal feelings for; which is what the second verse refers to.

There is nothing again to tell you. If you like, accept, if you like, continue your dumb argument.

And to you and your likes, the questions have been answered, Smh!

Allah eventually says muslims cannot do justice no matter how much they wish to do so whereas he had earlier said ''IF'' they could do justice. It shows he didn't know all things.

Dmeji4444:
They are Arabic letters

Meaning what?

malvisguy212:
Psalm 23 has six verses.It is especially
appreciated by unsaved church people who like to think the Lord is their Shepherd when He's not. Unfortunately, some of the better known portions of Scripture are the portions that deal with anything except salvation. Perhaps the most well known verses of Scripture--or
portions--are the Sermon on the Mount, I Corinthians 13,the Ten Commandments, the Lord's Prayer,
and Psalm 23. Now, the reason why
these are favorites is because nothing
in one of those passages could tell anybody how to be saved. And all
those passages assume the man is either an Old Testament saint or a
New Testament saint. So all unsaved
people like those portions of Scripture
that don't call their sins to their attention.

But since we(born again) are saved, we do know the Lord is our Shepherd, and that He is our personal Shepherd. And I can truthfully say that the Lord is my
shepherd individually.

This is the Shepherd Psalm.Psalm 22 deals with the crucifixion of Jesus Christ and resurrection. Psalm 23, then, deals
with the relationship of the Lord Jesus Christ to the individual saint after the resurrection. And Psalm 24 plainly speaks of the Second Advent of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Psalms are laid out in prophetic order: Psalm 22, the crucifixion; Psalm 23, a picture of the Church Age; and Psalm 24, a picture of the Second Advent.

Psalm 23 has a beautiful outline: In
verse 1 we have a happy life. In verse
4 we have a happy death. And in verse 6 we have a happy eternity. In the great Psalm, Psalm 23, we find the Lord is with me, He is beneath me, He is before me, He is around me, He is after me, and He is ahead of me. Psalm 23 is David historically speaking about his relationship with the Lord, and pictures the relationship of the Christian who's got into the right fold.

The Lord is my shepherd" Notice the personal wording. The Lord is not our
shepherd. The Lord is my shepherd.
There's a big difference when you get
to know the Shepherd. "The Lord is
my shepherd.


The Lord is my Shepherd:
That's Relationship!
I shall not want:
That's Supply!
He maketh me to lie down in
green pastures:
That's Rest!
He leadeth me beside the still
waters:
That's Refreshment!
He restoreth my soul:
That's Healing!
He leadeth me in the paths of
righteousness:
That's Guidance!
For His name sake:
That's Purpose!
Yea, though I walk through the
valley of the shadow of death:
That's Testing!
I will fear no evil:
That's Protection!
For Thou art with me:
That's Faithfulness!
Thy rod and Thy staff they
comfort me:
That's Discipline!
Thou preparest a table before
me in the presence of mine
enemies:
That's Hope!
Thou annointest my head with
oil:
That's Consecration!
My cup runneth over:
That's Abundance!
Surely goodness and mercy
shall follow me all the days of
my life:
That's Blessing!
And I will dwell in the house of
the Lord:
That's Security!
Forever:
That's Eternity!

Sooo nice!

SirHouloo:
2000years and it is still bouncing!
Note: the word of God no dey expire.

Yes o!

But satan says it has been corrupted.

Empiree:
This guy is getting ridiculous everyday. I dont know why you refuse to understand simple, clear and precise verses. Bro, you really need to slow down your bigotry. It blocks your sense of reasoning. This is not healthy at all.

Your op, allegation is false. Polygamy is NOT ABROGATED. 4:3 simply allowed marrying more than 1 wife (conditions attached) i:e justice must be done among them; financially, socially you name it.

4:129
And you will never be able to be equal [in feeling] between wives, even if you should strive [to do so]. So do not incline completely [toward one] and leave another hanging. And if you amend [your affairs] and fear Allah - then indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.

If you have more than one child, I am sure, one way or the other (deep down your heart), even though you dont show it, you love one child more than other, correct?. A husband can always be just with his wives financially, socially and morally etc But there is no way a man can love all of them (including feelings) the same way. To abandon her completely for other wife is what Qur'an forbids. Qur'an understands human imperfection, irregularity, flaw, blemish to be human attributes. Some men can't even be just financially, socially and morally. The verse is simply saying that to err is human but perfection belongs ONLY to God Almighty. No human is 100% except Allah.

One of Allah's Attributes is As-Salaam The Peace and Blessing, The Source of Peace and Safety, The Most Perfect 59:23 http://quran.com/59/23

My friend, you must have disappointed people who rate you high. Your statements show that of low reasoning people.

One major problem with muslims is that allahh left them in confusion, making each of the so many sects to interpret his words as they feel. This I have noticed in the differences in translations of the quran from the same arabic text. ISIL, Boko Haram, al-Quaeda, al-Shabab etc use the same quran to carry out their criminal acts. Muhammad did the same.

The Sunnis and Shite muslims also use the same quran and are killing each other. Confusion in the kingdom of satan. I'm very sure, allahh will be laughing at you people.

Coming to the subject, allahh says you can marry up to 4 wives subject to a condition - ability to do justice to the women equally (Quran 4:3) He later says it is imposible for you to fulfil the condition and therefore should marry only one (Quran 4:129).

If somebody's brain is still in order, it is easy for him to know that allahh has plainly abrogated polygamy.

Then, this allahh is not higher than man in wisdom, otherwise he should have known from the onset that it is impossible for muslims to fulfil the condition and not enjoin polygamy at all instead of learning from people's marital experience.

LightIndarkness:
You are the one who don't under stand
What is justice means in Surah and thats why I explain to you

So Almighty didn't ABROGATE polygamy at any time
You just misunderstand the Ayah both of them

So Allah Almighty DIDN'T ABROGATE POLYGAMY
And Justice been explained to you what in means so
You don't understand the Ayah and explained to you what the justice means

If you don't like the answer thats your own problem

Well, I don't blame you, your level of your education must be very low hence your reasoning as expressed in your 'quack' English.

NEXT!

Sweetnecta:
I RAN INTO THIS THREAD WHILE TRYING TO DISABLE MY ACCOUNT WHICH I SHOULD HAVE DONE LONG TIME AGO WHEN I DECIDED TO LEAVE. IF SEUN OR ANYONE CAN ASSIST, I WILL GIVE MY EMAIL BECAUSE IT IS SET UP ONLY FOR NAIRALAND MATTERS AND NOTHING MORE.

MUSLIMS SHOULD EXAMINE INFO PROVIDED BY NON MUSLIMS IN RELIGIOUS CONVERSATION AS THIS ONE HERE BEFORE ACCEPTING IT OUTRIGHT ON ITS MERIT. MR WONDERFUL HERE WHO STARTED THE THREAD INTENTIONALLY OMITTED VERSES 28; 11 AND 12 THAT ANSWERED HIS QUESTIONS. IF HE IGNORANTLY DID SO, HE NEEDS TO BE CERTAIN THE FUTURE BEFORE GOING FORWARD.

THE STORY OF MOSES HERE IN 28 IS PART OF OVERALL STORY OF MOSES [MUSA [AS] IN THE QURAN. ALLAH PROVIDES ONLY WHAT MATTERS ABOUT MOSES. IT IS SPIRITUALLY IRRELEVANT TO PROVIDE WHAT DOES NOT BENEFIT US LIKE THE STREET ADDRESS OF HIS BIRTH, ETC. WHAT WE KNOW ARE THAT HE WAS BORN IN THE COMMUNITY OF HIS PEOPLE, IN A YEAR BOYS BORN MUST BE KILLED WHEREAS OLDER BROTHER AARON WAS BORN THE YEAR SONS WERE SPARED. I CAN'T FIND ANY REASON THIS THREAD WAS STARTED EXCEPT TO BE DISHONEST WHILE PROSELYTIZING CHRISTIANITY.

Trash!

There is no way you can understand any major thing on which your islamic faith is anchored without the Bible.

QURAN SAYS ABRAHAM AND ISHMAEL CAME TO MECCA:

Coming from where? Did they drop from the sky?

What led them to leave where they were coming from?

JESUS WAS GIVEN A BOOK (Quran 19:30):

What does the Book contain?

Where is the Book today?

ABRAHAM BUILT KAABA AS A RESORT AND SANCTUARY FOR MANKIND:

Who did visit that Kaaba meant for all mankind after Abraham? No biblical, historical or even islamic source to back up that God's prophets visited the house. Would Mose, Isaac, Jacob, Jesus etc not go there as the house of worship for ALL MANKIND?

Quran is silent on a number of issues that would have exposed the true identity of allahh without stress and it is deliberately so by him. The list of quran silence on very important subjects is long.

But before you finally take your leave as the truth you are discovering does not go down well with you, can you throw more light on the following prophets from quranic viewpoints:

Who was Moses and where was he coming from? What happened to him that he was appointed a prophet and leading which people to where?

How was Moses and his people in where and how did get there?

Who was Ishmael and where was he coming from before he got to Mecca and why did he leave his base? How did he get a wife to be able to multiply in Mecca? Who were his children that took over from him?

I have discovered the regular islamic appologetics on this forum who understand the implications of the question could not respond.

That is not the only occassion allahh would contradict himself, which is not the character of the true God. Would God say something and eat his words?

https://www.nairaland.com/2260353/muslims-why-did-fail-probe

LightIndarkness:
No he allowed it but with justice thats mean you need to equal between wifes
But Allah knew that Human what ever they try they will not be 100% Justice
And Justice in spending money eqaully or in thing that man make thats out of question mean he must do those thing

But man cann't control his heart and feeling and be justice to each wife on that

So thats what Justice been talked in Sura So thats not mean AllaH forbid the polygam

Justice in feeling cann't be done But Justice in other thing Like acts spending money etc must be done

The point is not whether or not justice is done among muslims' wives . The questions are and I repeat:

1. Did allahh ABROGATE polygamy since he says muslims cannot do justice to more than one wife no matter how much they wish to do so?

2. Since he was so sure that they could not do justice in polygamy, why did he enjoin it before? Did he learn from people's experiences?

Please read and understand the thread before responding. So far, no muslims have touched the questions.

.

rildwanullahi:
What it means is that try as much as possible to be just in dealing with them, then the main aim of the other verses is to avoid fornication and adultery by marrying women that could possibly be exposed to those situations I. E widows, slaves, and other less privileged women

Trash!

How does that answer the questions?

mkpakanaodogwu:
Am i allowed to comment here?

Why not?

[Yusufali 4:3] If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

Here allahh permits muslims to marry up to 4 wives if they can do equal justice to them.

But he seems to have changed his mind on that in the following verse:

[Quran 4:129 Pickthal] Ye will not be able to deal equally between (your) wives, however much ye wish (to do so). But turn not altogether away (from one), leaving her as in suspense. If ye do good and keep from evil, lo! Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.

Here, allahh sounds so sure that muslims will not be able to do justice to more than one wife, no matter how much they wish to do so. It shows it is impossible for muslims to satisfy his condition for marrying up to four wives.

Another translation says it is not within the POWER of the muslims to do justice to more than one wife:

Quran 4:129 Shakr] And you have it not in your power to do justice between wives, even though you may wish (it), but be not disinclined (from one) with total disinclination, so that you leave her as it were in suspense; and if you effect a reconciliation and guard (against evil), then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

The questions arising from this are:

1. Has allahh abrogated polygamy?

2. Since he was so sure muslims would not be able to do justice to more than one wife, why did he enjoin polygamy in the first place?

POPdecorator:
u are nothing but hell fire fuel unless u are a muslim

It is the muslims that allahh promised hell fire. Jesus told us he has gone to prepare a place for us in heaven.

POPdecorator:
some scholar says alif and lam means ALLAH and mim means muhammed(SAW)
but Allah knows best

I have searched for the meaning, nobody is certain about it. It shows the words are not arabic contrary to allahh's claim.

eshbeewanna:
"Over it is 19. And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; and We have fixed their number only as a trial for Unbelievers,- in order that the People of the Book (Jews ans Christians) may arrive at certainty, and the Believers may increase in Faith,- and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers, and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, "What symbol doth Allah intend by this?" Thus doth Allah leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth: and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He and this is no other than a warning to mankind.

What has this got to do with the meaning of ''Alif. Lam. Mim''?

You just decided to say anything in defence.

Is the quran pure arabic as allahh said? Now that it is discovered it is not so, it means he lied. Simple.

POPdecorator:
ask mr google

I have searched google, none of your islamic scholars could explain the meaning.

When allah says the quran is a clear arabic speech and we discover it is not completely arabic, it shows he was not saying the truth.

[Quran 16:103 YusufAli] We know indeed that they say, "It is a man that teaches him." The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear.

Quran 16:103 Pickhal] And We know well that they say: Only a man teacheth him. The speech of him at whom they falsely hint is outlandish, and this is clear Arabic speech.

But we know, quran is not purely arabic speech as it contains foreign and unknown languages. People at that time accussed Muhammad of such, which allahh denied.

If it is a clear arabic as claimed by allahh, how come some interpretations are hidden and only he knows them?

Quran 3:7 YusuAli] He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its HIDDEN MEANINGS, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.

One of the hidden meanings known to allahh only is the verse 2:1 above.

What is the reason behind allah hidding some quranic meanings other than DECEPTION? May God deliver the muslims from islamic deception.

tartar9:
your questions have All been answered before

Where and by who? Paste it again and let me see.

gatiano:
There won't have been any need for The Quran, if the gospel had not been tampered with. Also there won't have been a need for the Gospel or the coming of Jesus if the Torah wasn't tampered with. Yet there were 3 other books by three unknown prophets of God which were also tampered with.
The Quran was almost tampered with, but it escaped to Sudan, which is why the hadith was made should in case the real Quran surfaced. It has surfaced.
The last prophet has been sent, and it wasn't Muhammad of 1400 years ago.
7 is the number of completion, there are 7 candles of Asia, so 7 messengers. Prophet Muhammad was the 6th.

Every people always rejected the prophets except a few, majority only accept the truth of the messengers after the devils might have twisted the words of the books.

Not the seventh one, though they are trying.

Let's have your source(s) of information please.

tartar9:
are you guys so dumb! or what.was He talking about 'completing' the stories from your bible.

Huum!

Pick the quranic quotes from the OP and tell us what happened in each of them.

At least allahh wanted muslims to under what happened at that time and that was why he revealed it, isn't it?

What is the meaning of this verse in the quran?

Quran 2:1
Alif. Lam. Mim.

Demmzy15:
What does the 'law of moses' say about adultery? Or you think Muslims don't know that moses was sent to the children of Israel with a law?

Is Moses law applicable to the muslims? Why did you say Muhammad used it?

Zoharariel:
The earlier you admit that both Islam & Christianity are 2 sides of the same coin, the better.

These two religions are the reason Y the world has not, and will never know peace because they were built & propagated on brain-washing lies.

Nonsense!

Where did you see Christians causing mayhem?

Demmzy15:
Please clear your eyes and re-read this thread, Stoning to death might have been carried out for various reasons before the revelation of Suratul Nur, but our point is that the final punishment is flogging. The Prophet might have adopted the punishment of the Jews before Allah revealed flogging to him!

When did Muhammad begin to apply Jewish law? Did he believe in the Jews?

dolphinheart:
Another issue I have is that some muslims qoute from the bible to authenticate/ support the quran and then still claim that the bible is currupt. Inclusive in this issue is the claim that the original Torah or injeel(correct me if I'm wrong) was revealed by allah to the Jews and christians. This brings about the questions .

1. Where is the original Torah or injeel to prove that the present translations are currupt.
2. Is the original lost? Is the word of God lost?
3. Is the scriptures quoted by muslims part of the original words God gave to man before the koran ? And how do we prove this ?.
4. Did the koran use or quote any part of the original and initial books of God , where is it in the koran , and where is the original injeel it qouted from.

Don't mind them, allahh has confussed them.

Abuamam:
Lol. You wish. Pastors are the quintessential 419 practisioners. Hardly debatable. It is to be expected actually, anyone who lies about the Almighty God just to gain the pleasures of this world (read multi million dollar mansions and private jets), is capable of any possible criminal act under the sun.

Now let me go and comment on the other dozen threads or so that expose the various misdeeds of your pastors. You can come along if you wish.

Trash!

Several thousands of frauds and thefts are being committed daily but how many do you hear on the news? If just one fake pastor commits only one, enemies of Christianity will blow it out of proportion forgetting it is on records how Muhammad was robbing people of their belongings.

Abuamam:
Because he has been caught abi? All the ones that are getting away with it are 'original' pastors ehn? Until they too get caught.

Analyse it yourself... the proportion of EXPOSED pastoral thieves, swindlers, drug mules, adulterers and what have you as a percentage of the population of pastors; is much higher than that of the general population. Of course, only God knows what the results would be like if we were to factor in those pastors that have not yet been caught red-handed; and those that have been covered up (as in 'names withheld').

This leads one to think that there is something about being 'holy spirit' filled that drives pastors especially, to criminal behaviour.

Of course, that will also lead us to believe that what is filling xtian pastors/ cattle rearers, is far from being holy.

People are apt to bring out fraudulent people who dupe disguising as pastors because a high moral and spiritual life is expected of pastors. Nobody talks about frauds committed by imans and alfas because it is normal with them.

The name 'pastor' rings a bell to attract people.

EzioAuditore:
I agree.

Good. Since you agree you write trash, I have no reason to continue any debate with you.

ajasbaba:
what is this mad man saying,

see what GEJ as done to your thinking.

please go find something better to do with your precious time.

Look at your choice of words.
Whose fault is it that you can't read and understand?
Terrorist.