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malvisguy212:
nice one, muhammed was demon possessed, he did not show to much emphasis on the pagan, but the christian and the Jews, he caused them, how can anyone believe muhammed? In some hadith he caused the christians but in the quran Allah promise the christians and Jew paradise,who are we to trust? Allah or muhammed?
Muhammed was demon possessed:

Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 359, Ayesha
reported that Haresah-b-Hisham asked
the Apostle of Allah and said, "O
Apostle, how does revelation come to
you?" The Apostle of Allah responded,
"Sometimes it comes to me like the
ringing of a bell...

" The bells of hell? The association with devils is more clear in the following:
Al Hadis, Vol 4, p. 360, Obadah-b-
Swamet reported that when a
revelation came to the Prophet, he
used to become greatly disturbed, and
his face became changed. And in a
narration, he would nod his head, and
his companions nodded theirs..."

Attested by Muslim. This has all the
marks of a trance or demon possession
complete with facial distortion.this is strange to the biblical truth, how can revelation comes to you as a bell? Here what the bible say on how revelation are sent;

2 Peter1:21, For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

There is no nonsense of bells ringing, which in our day is associated with witchcraft ceremony and demon possession. There are no bells in heaven. The shaking of the head, or palsy, is characteristic of devil possession as in the Bible, Matthew 4:24, And his (Jesus') fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and
those which were possessed with
devils...

Good exposition.

It is unfortunate that muslims don't see islam as satanic. Unless God have mercy on them and repent, satan will laugh at them in hell.

lanrexlan:
^^ Sometimes, I think age is directly proportional to one's level of reasoning but post like the above is always nullifying my claim.

I know muslims hate kafir just as allahh do. Even Muhammad died cursing the Jews and Christians. Abuses are nothing to muslims as nothing moral is there in their religion. I would not have said anything if you didn't mention Christianity.

What is incorrect in that my post that angered you? Is it the quranic quote or the supporting hadiths? Are they not authentic proofs that islam is clear paganism introduced by satan? Am I the writer or is from Christian source?

I remember your usual refutal to it: ''That was how Abraham and Ishmael were doing before pagans began to do same to their god''. Your quran says no messengers were in Mecca before Muhammad proving you a liar:

But We had not given them
Books which they could study,
nor sent messengers to them
before thee as Warners (Quran 34:44 YusufAli).

Since there were no messengers to the Arabs prior to the advent of Muhammad, why did you claim the pagan customs were initiated by allahh's messengers, Abraham and Ishmael?

Moses didn't worship the true God like pagans do neither did he enjoin the people to do so. Ditto for Jesus.

The blatant truth you may not find convenient is that satan disguised as the God of bible prophets, talked about them in a way you cannot completely understand, condemned the earlier Scriptures and established his own, the quran to take mankind to hell.

He kept changing his revelations and replacing them as if he was making mistakes. He never made mistakes, he was only manipulating.

May God deliver you from satanic deception.

eshbeewanna:
Finally he has surrendered again.I will always put you on the run anytime any day!

Can't you discover you are the only one I ignored? I keep talking to muslims who can reason correctly. A person arguing with a mad man will be considered mad too. When people run for a mad man, he becomes happy, thinking they run fearing him for his power.

You parade the whole website spewing trash all about, simple things you can't comprehend and you want me to continue with you. Never.

eshbeewanna:
I always laugh when I see ignorance playing out on you despite your claim of high understanding.
Did your bible not tell you that ishmael and her mother were exiled into the wilderness?

Let me educate you again when ishmael and mother got there the only people they saw were traders who made stop over at the place then just because of the water provided for ishmeal and his mother by God for them to survive in that harsh enviroment.it was at later times people started settling there based on agreement with the settlers.


'' Ismail (a.s) and his mother continued to live at this place all by themselves for some time. One day some people of the Jurhum tribe were passing through the valley. They didn’t intend to stop, because they knew that there had never been any water in that valley. But they saw a kind of bird which was known to frequent wet spots, so they followed it to the spring of Zam-zam. There they found Ismail’s (a.s) mother sitting by the water.

Ismail’s mother agreed they could settle there for a while, as long as they did not claim possession to the water. Some of the people of the tribe settled by the water permanently and Ismail grew up amongst them"
Abrahams prayer when he was leaving them in the wilderness

'O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring dwell in a valley without cultivation, by Your Sacred House (Kaba at Mecca) in order, O our Lord, that they may offer prayer perfectly. So fill some hearts among men with love towards them, and (O Allah) provide them with fruits, so that they may give thanks.'

In brief abraham established the house, to be a place where people will visit at later times as a fulfilment of God prophecy about the Holy House of God and also for ismeal and his mother to be the custodians.Abraham worship there anytime he comes around on visitation.
The idolators later used the holy house of God after the demise of Ishmeal and his mother for their idolatory acts common to them.But Gods plan was to restore the house to the believers for his true worship through Muhammed.
And that is why muhammed had to demolish all the idols in the Temple of God(Kaaba)so that the believer can worship the one true God bringing Gods prophecy to fulfilment.

"I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word.  (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 138:2)"

Were people stopping over when Hagai said nobody could be seen? Different muslims formulate different stories. That is islam for you. Discover your lies here:

https://www.nairaland.com/2279859/true-story-abrahams-journey-mecca

Abuamam:
You did not see all the hadith? You did not read it through. Stop being mentally lazy. Where the narrator says: "the messenger of Allah said..."; it is a hadith.




Maybe by private jet. Do you see what I mean by silly question? Basically, you just ask any dumb question, just to keep an argument going.



I don't know where you got this story I am sure.



I should tell you WHY they got to Mecca? What kind of question is that? It is not an issue of dodging questions. You just dont ask pertinent questions. You are justfishing for a flaw somewhere, so you keep asking about all sorts of unrelated topics that are banal and confused. I do not like responding to clueless posts.




Yes he and his wife lost their position in paradise because they disobeyed Allah. When they were brought to earth, they repented at Arafah (where Muslims go to plead for God's forgiveness during Hajj), and God forgave them, and promised them and their progeny their place in paradise, if they lived in accordance with His Will.

Total trash!

Every question is silly to you because you cannot answer them.

Islam cannot be reformed, it will contradict the intention of allahh (satan in disguise) to return the world to violence and paganism after Jesus had done the work of salvation.

It was when Muhammad went to worship Allah at Hira as a pagan that he claimed 'angel' Gabriel appeared to him. Which Allah did he go to worship at Hira as a pagan?

Then, Gabriel told him to continue to worship the same idol as the true God. When did Mutaleb idol (allahh) become the true God?

Because Allah is an idol, that is why the muslims worship him in the exact way pagans worshiped their idols before islam.

Quran 2:158 Pickthal] Lo! (the mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwah are among the indications of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who is on pilgrimage to the House (of Allah) or visiteth it, to go around them (AS THE PAGAN CUSTOM IS). And he who doeth good of his own accord, (for him) lo! Allah is Responsive, Aware

That quranic verse confirms the following hadiths:

Muhammad's pagan tribe, the
Quraish, fasted on the 10 th of
Muharram. Though optional,
Muhammad retained this pagan
practice too.

Narrated 'Aisha: 'Ashura' (i.e. the
tenth of Muharram) was a day on
which the tribe of Quraish used to
fast in the pre-lslamic period of
ignorance. The Prophet also used
to fast on this day. So when he
migrated to Medina, he fasted on
it and ordered (the Muslims) to
fast on it. When the fasting of
Ramadan was enjoined, it became
optional for the people to fast or
not to fast on the day of Ashura.
[Sahih Bukhari 5:58:172].

Doing Tawaf between Safa and
Marwa is an Islamic ritual
associated with the pilgrimage to
Mecca. Safa and Marwa are two
mounts, located at Mecca. This
ritual entails Muslims walking
frantically between the two
mounts, seven times. This was
originally a pagan pre-Islamic
practice. Muhammad retained it
for Islam, sanctioning it with yet
another Qur'anic revelation.

Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin
Malik: "Did you use to dislike to
perform Tawaf between Safa and
Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was
of the ceremonies of the days of
the Pre-lslamic period of
ignorance, till Allah revealed:
'Verily! (The two mountains) As-
Safa and Al-Marwa are among the
symbols of Allah. It is therefore no
sin for him who performs the
pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or
performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf
between them.' " (Quran 2.158)
[Sahih Bukhari 2:26:710]

From the quran and hadiths, it is so clear that islamic Allah who has no Son is an idol (satan in disguise) and that is why he is worshiped like pagan gods.

Islam cannot go through reformation again because satan's intention is to throw the world into violence after Jesus had brought peace. allahh's problem is not polytheism, the Jews believe in monotheism, yet he ordered Muhammad to fight them too, why? The problem is: allahh is an enemy to the true God.

Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Qur'an (2:193) - "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion be only for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers."

Bukhari (2:24) - "Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah.

Bukhari (59:643) - "Testify that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah, or else I will chop off your neck!"

eshbeewanna:
Ignorance has become a cancer in you what a pity.Let me educate you again the meccan arabs called their idols illah which mean small gods but when muhammed (peace be on him)came he preached to them that they should worship the one true God(Allah)they refused simply because they could not see him.Similarly this attitude is found in every idolators around the world even here in africa.Our fore father worshiped idol has intermiddiary of one true God.
But the funny thing about you christian is that you tried to deny the arabs to have a name for one true God(Allah)just because they are predominantly muslims and you don't want to accept Allah as one true God.
But funny enough you still recognised the same Allah as the Almighty God in the arabic Bible and also that Allah is jesus father according to you.
Aint you a confused hypocrite?
If you don't agree that Allah is the one true God of the arabs please give us the name for the one true God in arabic.You have not answered this question since have been asking you
.
Please tell me the difference between the english word for the almigty which they use capital( G) for God and small(g)for small gods.By pronounciation is it not the same sound you make when you say God and god?.yet you christians accepted the word God to mean Almighty but you didn't argue with them that you don't see any difference between the two (God and god).
Am very sure if all arabs were christians today you wouldn't have any problem with the word Allah.Anyway you still can't but accept the word Allah for almighty God in your Arabic bible.What a dilemma you find yourselves.

This is the last time I will respond to your post on this thread, I cannot cope with your low reasoning mind.

The quran says what you muslims do is a pagan custom and the hadiths support it. Now, see your response to that issue, how are they related? Just beating about the bush. I don't have your time again. Smh!

Abuamam

You said you want Muslim sources for other prophets performing hajj. I gave you authentic hadith; which are definitely sources 9f Islamic belief; with verifiable references appended.

Which is authentic hadith? The words of Muhammad or the words of Ibn Hibbaa. If Muhammad was inspired to speak because he was the 'prophet' of allahh, who inspired Ibn Hibbaa? How are his words authentic?

Even Muhammad never said Jesus visited Kaaba, he said he will visit it when he comes back again. Why didn't he visit it the first time he came?

What about Moses and others? Where is it recorded that they went to Kaaba for hajj?

As far as reasonable people are concerned, you have not given any islamic source proving bible prophets performed hajj in Kaaba, other than people who formulated lies, which you called authentic hadith. Any imam or alfa could just write anything and because it favours islam, you call it authentic but if it does not favour islam, you call it fabrication. Who is deceiving who?

Then you shift ground and ask where did 'Adam live'. I do not know the house address. Many hadith have been narrated that show that he indeed brought the black stone (originally white), with him when evicted from paradise; which he then put into the Kaaba; presumably as a reminder of the paradise that he lost due to disobedience; and as a sign of hope of the possibility of regaining his exalted position throuh repentance and submitting to the will of his Creator. The black stone was still there when Ibrahim came to rebuild the Kaaba with his son Ismail. I never have said that God threw the black stone to Ibrahim to build the Kaaba. You tend to 'remember' imaginary conversations sometimes.

Was the Garden of Eden where Adam lived Mecca? How did he get to Mecca to lay the foundation of Kaaba?

You muslim guys say the blackstone was thrown to Abraham for the exact location of Kaaba, did he also throw another blackstone to Adam to lay the foundations long before Abraham came? How many blackstones do you have?

Now you are trying to change the story that Abraham met the balckstone inside Kaaba and not that it was thrown to him again. You must always tell lies to sustain islam. That is exactly what allahh did in the quran, saying something today and abrogating it tomorrow.

Were Abraham and Ishmael in Mecca to build Kaaba? From the quran, tell me why they got to Mecca.

So many questions you have skipped or dodged because islam does not have answers to them.

Did Adam lose paradise because of disobedience? Islam says he was forgiven of his disobedience and that is the reason children didn't inherit his sin.

eshbeewanna:
Please don't get too frusrated those point that you called trash are from your bible.Do they make any sense to you?
I expect your high IQ to inform you that the bible is a trash because those trash are found right inside.

Smh!

eshbeewanna:
So you now agreed that your bible is a trash.
Another confirmation from you.

I don't like discussing with people of your IQ. I said your other points are a trash because they are unrelated to medicine, but look at the way you understood my statement.

Abuamam:
The Quran is the backbone, but not the Only source of Islamic laws and narratives. The hadith were also inspired words of the Prophet (saw), sent to better explain to us the proper interpretation of the Quran.




I only respond to this because I am in a good mood.

Adam laid the foundation for the Kaaba during his lifetime. Subsequent prophets performed the pilgrimage. Narrations have it that the Kaaba was washed away during the flood that destroyed Noah's tribe. Ibrahim and Ismail were shown the spot and rebuilt it. All subsequent prophets performed the hajj, except for Isa (Jesus); who will perform hajj when he returns to lead Muslims against the antichrist and his minions; after he kills him (the antichrist).



You did not see all the references? All the hadith had references attached. Buy glasses o. You are getting old.

I said veriable evidence. Anybody cannot just say anything. It means even you can write any book for the muslims to follow.

Where did allahh say anything about Jesus second coming that Muhammad was interpreting for you.

Where did Adam live that he laid the foundation of Kaaba in Mecca where nothing was existing?

Some times you would say allahh threw blackstone to Abraham for the location of kaaba, did he throw black stone to Adam too to lay the foundation?

eshbeewanna:
Who is this slowpoke? 'they call everything they worship Allah' so if they call him devil you will adopt it for your arab christians brothers as their God in their Bible?
Your lack of good reasoning will never allow you to discorver your foolishness.
I want to ask you again give us the name for the real God in arabic since Allah is not?
You can see that you have no other name than to adopt the name Allah for your christian brothers in the middle east.What a shame!

Smh!

You can't understand anything.

Why are you silent on the quranic verse and the hadiths that confirm islamic allahh is one of the idols inside kaaba and that is why he is worshiped like an idol. Keep deceiving yourself. You hate your own soul.

Abuamam

You know how much I hate silly questions. Please take them back.

I laugh at your hypocrisy!

Because the quran does not tell you everything you need to know about islam as a result of which you cannot answer the question, you stylishly want to dodge. I tell you the truth, if allahh has made muslims to know many important things, nobody will be a muslim today.

I deliberately asked the question because the quran has no answer to it.

The scholars differed concerning this matter. It was said that all the Prophets (peace be upon them) performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah, from Adam to Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him).

Could you not see how silly your claim up there is? The other time you said Hajar was running on hill looking for water because there was nothing on ground when they got to Mecca. Now you are saying Adam visited Kaaba that was non-existent at that time. Cover your face in shame!

Anyway, muslims need to tell lies to sustain islam. Shame!

Abu’l-Ma‘aali al-Juwayni (may Allah have mercy on him) said in Nihaayat al-Matlab (4/125):

it was said that the first one who performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah was Adam (peace be upon him), and it was said that there is no Prophet who did not perform Hajj to this House. End quote.

Ibn Hajar al-Haythami (may Allah have mercy on him) said in al-Fataawa al-Fiqhiyyah (2/120):

There is no Prophet who did not perform Hajj to the Ka‘bah. This is contrary to the view of those who made an exception in the case of Hood and Saalih. End quote.

Ibn ‘Allaan (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

Ibn Ishaaq said: Allah did not send any Prophet after Ibraaheem but he performed Hajj. Others stated that there was no Prophet who did not perform Hajj.

End quote from Daleel al-Faaliheen (7/17)

It was narrated from Ibn Abi Labeed that Muhammad ibn Ka‘b – or someone else – said:

Adam performed Hajj and the angels met him and said: May Allah accept your Hajj rituals, O Adam.

Al-Bidaayah wa’n-Nihaayah (2/299)

· It was also said that all of the Prophets performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah except Saalih and Hood (peace be upon them both)

Ibn Ishaaq said in as-Seerah (p. 95):

A trustworthy man from among the people of Madinah narrated to me that ‘Urwah ibn az-Zubayr said: There is Prophet who did not perform Hajj to the Ka‘bah, apart from Hood and Saalih. Nooh performed Hajj. When the earth was flooded, the same happened to the Ka‘bah as happened to the rest of the earth, and the Ka‘bah was on top of a reddish hill. Then Allah sent Hood, but he was distracted by the affairs of his people, until Allah took his soul in death, and he did not perform Hajj until he died. Then Allah sent Saalih, but he was distracted by the affairs of his people, so he did not perform Hajj until he died. When Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, instructed Ibraaheem to call mankind for Hajj, then (after that) there was never any Prophet who did not perform Hajj.

A shorter version was also narrated by al-Bayhaqi (5/288) from ‘Urwah ibn az-Zubayr, who said: There is no Prophet who did not perform Hajj to the Ka‘bah, except Hood and Saalih.

Ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy on him) said: We have previously mentioned their Hajj. What is meant is Hajj to that place, even if there was no structure there. And Allah knows best.

End quote from al-Bidaayah wa’n-Nihaayah (2/299)

· It was also said that seventy-five of the Prophets performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah

It was narrated that Mujaahid said: Seventy-five of the Prophets all circumambulated the House.

End quote from Akhbaar Makkah (1/45)

· It was said that every Prophet after Ibraaheem (peace be upon him), the Close Friend (Khaleel) of Allah, performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah

Al-Azraqi (may Allah have mercy on him) said in Akhbaar Makkah (1/43):

He mentioned the Hajj of Ibraaheem (peace be upon him), his proclamation of the Hajj, the Hajj of Prophets after him, and his circumambulation (tawaaf) and that of the Prophets after him.

Then he narrated that Ibn Ishaaq said: Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) used to perform Hajj every year on al-Buraaq. He said: And after that the Prophets and the nations performed Hajj.

The best of these reports in terms of isnaad is that which says that seventy Prophets performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah.

At-Tabaraani narrated in al-Mu‘jam al-Kabeer (12283) from Ibn ‘Abbaas who said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Seventy Prophets prayed in Masjid al-Khayf, including Moosa. It is as if I can see him, wearing two qatwaani garments, in ihram, riding one of the camels of Shanu’ah with a bridle of twisted palm fibre”

Classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh at-Targheeb (1127)

It was narrated that Abu Moosa (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Seventy Prophets passed by ar-Rawha’, including the Prophet of Allah Moosa (peace be upon him), barefoot and wearing abayahs, heading towards the Ancient House of Allah.”

Al-Mundhiri (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

It was narrated by Abu Ya‘la and at-Tabaraani, and there is nothing wrong with its isnaad. It was also narrated by Abu Ya‘la from the hadeeth of Anas ibn Maalik.

End quote from at-Targheeb wa’t-Tarheeb (2/118)

Muhammad ibn Ishaaq said: Someone whom I trust narrated to me from ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allah be pleased with him) that he said: Seventy Prophets travelled the valley of ar-Rawha’ as pilgrims.

End quote from Akhbaar Makkah by al-Azraqi (1/49)

Ahmad narrated in az-Zuhd (p. 34) from Mujaahid who said: Seventy Prophets performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah, including Moosa ibn ‘Imraan (peace be upon him).

The fact that the sound reports mention this number does not rule out the possibility that others also performed Hajj. All that may be said is that there is no marfoo‘, saheeh hadeeth that speaks of any others, as far as we know. So we stick to what is mentioned in the saheeh Sunnah, and with regard to anything other than that, we neither affirm it nor deny it. There is no great benefit in knowing about that. What the Muslim should do, if he has performed Hajj, is praise Allah, and if he has not performed Hajj then he should try hard to do so, and ask Allah to make it easy for him.

All these are LIES concocted by individuals. It is not verifiable! Stop deceiving yourself.

Secondly:

It is proven that ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) will come down at the end of time, and that he will enter ihram for Hajj or ‘Umrah or both.

Muslim (1252) narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “By the One in Whose hand is my soul, the son of Maryam will certainly enter ihraam in the valley of al-Rawha’, as a pilgrim performing Hajj or ‘Umrah, or both.”

Muhammad never said Jesus visited Hajj. This further confirms he never was there before.

Besides, where did allah tell Muhammad that Jesus is coming back? He must have heard that from the Jews and Christians, then he added the nonsense.

It was also narrated by Ibn Hibbaan (6820) under the heading, “Reports which state that ‘Eesa ibn Maryam will perform Hajj to the Ancient House after he kills the Dajjaal.”

“Enter ihram” means that he will recite the Talbiyah for Hajj or ‘Umrah or both together.

“The valley of ar-Rawha’” is a place between Makkah and Madinah.

An-Nawawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

This will happen after ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) comes down from heaven at the end of time. End quote.

For more information, please see the answer to question no. 22466

And Allah knows best.

Who gave the man the idea of what he wrote? Where is the reference for verification?

Allah always knows the best because you are always not sure of what you are saying.

No verifiable evidence that the earlier prophets visited Kaaba apart from the lies told by individuals to cover the falsehood of islam.

Abuamam

Ibrahim and Isma'eel were not Arabs and were not sent specifically to the Arabs, though some must have; ultimately; heard their message and become Muslims. There was actually nobody in Mecca when they got there. That is why Hajar ran between the Safa and Marwa hills searching for water, instead of just asking the next door neighbour to give her a sip... duuuuh!

Tell me from the quran, which native were Abraham and Ishmael if they were not Arabs?

Even if they were Nigerians, their being in Mecca building Kaaba for allah means they were messengers to the Arabs. But the qurans says there were no messengers in Mecca before Muhammad.

How could Hajar ran between the Safa and Marwa hill to search for water, do people fetch water on the hill or river?

The kaaba was not built specifically for the Arabs. [b]It was built for ALL of mankind. [/b]Arab and non-Arab came to perform the pilgrimage...


"Indeed the first House of worship appointed for humanity is that at Bakka: Full of blessing and of guidance for all the worlds. In it are Signs Manifest; such as the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; Pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to God,- those who have the ability. And when we assigned to Abraham the place of the House: ‘Do not associate with Me anything, and purify My House for those who circumambulate it, who stand in prayer, and who bow, and prostrate themselves in prayer.’ And proclaim the Hajj among people, and they shall come to you on foot, and on every lean camel. They shall come to you from every deep and distant mountain highways." (Quran 22:26-27)

"And when We made the House (the Kaaba) a resort for mankind and a sanctuary, saying: Take as your place of worship the place where Abraham stood to pray. (Quran 2:126)

If Kaaba was built for ALL MANKIND, why were other prophets before Muhammad not go there for worship. I have asked muslims on nairaland on many occasions to show any islamic source proving Moses, Joshua, Isaac, Jacob and even Jesus visited Kaaba as a house of worship for ALL MANKIND. No biblical or historical evidence that they visited there. Would they not have visited Kaaba if it was built by their father Abraham for worship of God? Is Israel where they lived not part of mankind? Since they didn't visit Kaaba, it further confirms Abraham and Ishmael were never in Mecca to build Kaaba. It is satanic deception to make man worship pagan idol as the true God.

bashbabe2:
Please try and use simple logic, the only problem i have is you are far from using it
The two verses you quote are similar and very well explained but you decided to make it ambiguous for your own personal gain. May Allah have mercy on you
The first is clearly saying almighty Allah has sent messengers to us men from men like us.meaning humans to humans example moses, Abraham, jesus and all other prophets ( may peace be on them all) to thier own people.
Theey all have a general message which is to believe in one God, abstain from evil and warn of terrible punishment that await people who don't listen and also tell them the rewards for those that work in righteousness.
The second verse you quote about Angel and men as messengers is simply talking about the fact that Angels have been send specially to some people to deliver messages. So apart from delivering messages to Allah chosen prophets. they have also given specific messages to people such as sarah wife of Abraham (as),Mary mother of jesus. These are specific messages from angels to certain righteous humans. But the general message warning us about the wrath and promises of God is usually from prophets who are human like us to human race. This is just basic understanding but Allah knows best


I know you might still not get it because your main goal is to find fault where there is none. So this is for the people who might get confused from what you have written trying to misinterprete the verses.

Humm!

It is you who didn't get it. In fact, no muslim can get it. The day you get it, it means your eyes are opened to see islamic deception. It is like talking to an insane person, nothing reasonable can make sense to him/her, not until the hypnotism is removed. I have seen a mad man calling a sane person mad and that is because he couldn't discover he was not normal.

Allah says he sent only MEN and no angels as messengers prior to the coming of Muhammad, right? It shows those angels who ministered to the various people before Muhammad were not sent by him. That is sooo simple to understand, all things being equal though.

eshbeewanna:
Please the OP should tell us the messengers sent to the Arabs before Muhammed(peace be on him)and the scriptures given to them before the advent of Islam?

You hardly understand anything. Na wa for you o!

Muslims claim Abraham and Ishmael were once in Mecca and they built Kaaba, right? Were they not messengers?

Now the quran says no messengers was in Arab and no Book was given to them before Muhammad came, right?

How do you justify the claim that Abraham and Ishmael were the persons who built Kaaba without contradiction, since no messengers ever got to Arabia before Muhammad?

How were the Arabians practising their religion without any book to guide them if islam had existed there before the advent of Muhammad?

If islam had not existed there, who built Kaaba other than Meccan pagans?

Do you understand this time?

eshbeewanna:
Just look at how you exposed your ignorance the more.
So the same Allah that you called pagan god, is the father of jesus according to you.
By your claim you have come to agree that the word Allah is the true God in arabic.Thank you,you have just answered the question that there is no word in arabic for almighty God other than Allah whom the Muslims worship.
Simple logic!

You can't understand a simple statement. The being the muslims call allah is not the same God the Arab Christians call allah. It told you with a quranic reference that arabs call anything they worship allah, even if it is a cow.

eshbeewanna:
You know when you point a finger at somebody the other ten fingers are pointing at you.The more comment you make the more you bust yourself.
I don't know why you keep banging your head over non issue.If you can't discern appropriately its better you remain in that state because is just an evidence of the confused state of mind that you are that still couldnt make you understand your scripture let alone understand Islam.
Obviously Islam will forever remain your source of worry and nightmare for eternity.

Trash!

Is this all you have to say about allahh's lie in this thread?

Is this all you want to say about islam being paganism as above proved?

Each time you face kaaba for solat, always remember you are worshiping an idol, not the true God.

eshbeewanna:
Hello if you are not a confused human being you would have known that the two verses you quoted have different meaning because in one of verse God was talking about human prophets and in the other angels.But your mischief will not allow you discern simple explanation and logic.

Please what do you have to explain about these below?

Contradictions

Matt 19:26 says “But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

“Judges 1:19 says “And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” This is remarkable on its own, revealing a far-from-omnipotent tribal god being defeated by technology
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Mark 15:25 says “And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.”John 19:14-16 says “…about the sixth hour…they cried out…crucify him….Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified.”

2 Kings 24:8 says “Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months.”2 Chronicles 36:9 says “Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem…”

2 Kings 8:26 says “Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign…

”2 Chronicles 22:2 says “Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reing.

Rubbish!

He doesn't understand still. How would you as your brain has been tampered with by allahh?

Look at what he is saying? We are talking about allahh lying, he is talking about contradictions. If you want contradictions, there are so many of them in the quran. In fact, the whole of the quran is contradictions as allahh was abrogating his revelation as soon as revealed and claims he is replacing them with better ones:

Quran 2:106] None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things.

Allah kept making mistakes and making substitutions of his revelations, yet muslims say quran is free of errors.

What kind of god that is subject to many errors?

Islam Among Arabs:

But We had not given them Books which they could study, nor sent messengers to them before thee as Warners (Quran 34:44 YusufAli).

The quran claims Abraham, Moses , Jesus and the Disciples were muslims. How true is this claim?

The above verse makes us to understand that no Scripture (Book) was given to the Arabs and no messengers had ever been to them before Muhammad. The quran also says Torah was given to Moses and Injeel to Jesus. These Scriptures had been existing before Muhammad and yet the above verse states the Arab didn’t have them. One would expet that as the Scriptures from Allah, the Books (Torah and Injeel) were supossed to be meant for all humanity, including the Arabs. Moses and Jesus as muslims, the Scriptures given to them should have been in use in Arabia where Abraham had established islam and Kaaba built for them.

Question: How come the Books of Allah (Toral and Injeel) were not known among the Arabs who were said to be muslims since the time of Abraham?

The verse also faults the claim that Abraham and Ishmael as messengers were ever in Mecca to build Kaaba as there was no messengers there before Muhammad.

Since it was not Abraham and Ishmael who built Kaaba as there was no messenger in Mecca before Muhammad, it must have been built by Meccan pagans, which Muhammad adopted as the house of worship of Allah.

eshbeewanna:
Please mr Ignorant can you please give us another name the Arab used for the one true God in Arabic before the advent of Islam?If Allah is not.

Can you tell your arab christian brothers who have been christians before you and your european brothers to remove Allah from their bible because that is what they used for God in their bible?

I ask you again is the word used for God by other race during the pagan period before christianity came to them the same God in your bible?Because you have embrassed them in your religion by using their gods to represent God in the various bible translations for each nation.
Please answer these questions.

It is you that is sooo ignorant of allahh's deception.

The arabs call whatever they worship allah (Quran 6:136). The pagans in Mecca were calling their idols allah including Muhammad's family idol.

It was when Muhammad went to worship allah at Hira as a pagan that he claimed 'angel' Gabriel appeared to him. Which allah did he go to worship at Hira as a pagan?

Then, Gabriel told him to continue to worship the same idol as the true God. When did Mutaleb idol (allahh) become the true God?

Because allah is an idol, that is why the muslims worship him in the exact way pagans worshiped their idols before islam.

[Quran 2:158 Pickthal] Lo! (the mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwah are among the indications of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who is on pilgrimage to the House (of Allah) or visiteth it, to go around them (AS THE PAGAN CUSTOM IS). And he who doeth good of his own accord, (for him) lo! Allah is Responsive, Aware

Thas quranic verse confirms the following hadiths:

Muhammad's pagan tribe, the
Quraish, fasted on the 10 th of
Muharram. Though optional,
Muhammad retained this pagan
practice too.

Narrated 'Aisha: 'Ashura' (i.e. the
tenth of Muharram) was a day on
which the tribe of Quraish used to
fast in the pre-lslamic period of
ignorance. The Prophet also used
to fast on this day. So when he
migrated to Medina, he fasted on
it and ordered (the Muslims) to
fast on it. When the fasting of
Ramadan was enjoined, it became
optional for the people to fast or
not to fast on the day of Ashura.
[Sahih Bukhari 5:58:172].

Doing Tawaf between Safa and
Marwa is an Islamic ritual
associated with the pilgrimage to
Mecca. Safa and Marwa are two
mounts, located at Mecca. This
ritual entails Muslims walking
frantically between the two
mounts, seven times. This was
originally a pagan pre-Islamic
practice. Muhammad retained it
for Islam, sanctioning it with yet
another Qur'anic revelation.

Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin
Malik: "Did you use to dislike to
perform Tawaf between Safa and
Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was
of the ceremonies of the days of
the Pre-lslamic period of
ignorance, till Allah revealed:
'Verily! (The two mountains) As-
Safa and Al-Marwa are among the
symbols of Allah. It is therefore no
sin for him who performs the
pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or
performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf
between them.' " (Quran 2.158)
[Sahih Bukhari 2:26:710]

From the quran and hadiths, it is so clear that islamic allah who has no Son is an idol (satan in disguise) and that is why he is worshiped like pagan gods.

The Arab Christians allah is the Father of Jesus Christ. They don't worship him like islamic allah. The Arabs call whatever they worship allah.

eshbeewanna:
O boy why are you making mockery of yourself?
A good student would have known that GOD is talking about prophets(human) just the same way he chooses to send messages through any of the Angels.So what is confusing you about that.
Shai! Common sense is not common oooo!
Anyway your intent is obvious here.You don't Mean well for your religion let alone other people's religion.

You must have low reasoning ability and that is why you are a muslim. The more you read the quran the less intelligent you become because allahh knows if you IQ is normal, you will detect his falsehood.

The OP is so clear! allahh said he never sent any other beings as messengers before muhammad but only men. The question is: who sent angel Gabriel to Mary before muhammad was born? I know you can still not understand because allahh does not want you to detect him. You need deliverance.

eshbeewanna:
Please christians heed to these advice by your God in the Bible:


In the field of medicine, the Bible says in the book of Leveticus, Ch. No.14, Verse No.49 to 53 - it gives a novel way for disinfecting a house from plague of leprosy…  disinfecting a house from plague of leprosy. It says that… ‘Take two birds, kill one bird, take wood, scale it - and the other living bird, dip it in water… and under running water - later on sprinkle the house 7 times with it. Sprinkle the house with blood to disinfect against plague of leprosy? You know blood is a good media of germs, bacteria, as well as toxin -

- The Bible also has a very good test for adultery - How to come to know a woman has committed adultery. In the book of Numbers, Ch. no.5 Verse No..11 to 31, I’ll just say in brief, it says that… ‘The priest should take holy water in a vessel,  take dust from the floor, and put it into the vessel - And that is the bitter water ‘And after cursing it, give it to the woman And if the woman has committed adultery, after she drinks it, the curse will enter her body, the stomach will swell, the thigh will rot, and she shall be cursed by the people. If the woman has not committed adultery, she will remain clean and she will bear the seed. A novel method of identifying whether a woman has committed adultery or not. You know today in the world, there are thousands of cases pending in different parts of the world, in different courts of law - only on the assumption that someone has alleged that a woman has committed adultery.

In the field of ‘Diet and Nutrition’ lets analyse, what does the Bible say. The Bible says in the book of Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse No.29, that… ‘God has given you all the herbs bearing seeds, the trees bearing fruits - those that bear seed, as meat for you.’ New International Version says… ‘The seed bearing plants, and the trees bearing fruits bearing seeds are food for you, all of them.’ Today, even a layman knows that there are several poisonous plants like wild berries, stritchi, datura, plants containing alkaloid, polyander, bacaipoid - that which if you ingest, if you eat there are high possibilities you may die. How come the Creator of the universe and the human beings, does not know, that if you have these plants, you will die. I hope you christians will start give these vegetarian diet to your household.

You lack good interpretation of the bible. Gen. 1:29 refers to the Garden of Eden for Adam and Evil. That was the earth created for them where there was no poisonous fruit. God told them to eat all the fruits except one.

Other points are trash as they are unrelated to medicine.

eshbeewanna:
Muhammed(peace be on him)will ever triumph over his enemies.

Since the beginning of the twentieth century, experiments were carried out  in the field of producing antibiotics using insects, but surprisingly, what was done by Dr. "Joan Clark" in Australia, so when she found that flies have (contain) antibiotics on the surface of the body treating many of the diseases, so that flies have cure!!!

Those came across this research were surprised, but experiments have continued, as scientists carried out a lot of research in this area and found that flies that carry a lot of diseases also holds a lot of antibiotics that can cure these diseases, and therefore do not get diseased by them  (fly-borne)! !

This is logical because the fly has a lot of harmful bacteria on the outside of her body and therefore in order to continue in her life, it should also carry anti-bacterial materials, these material were furnished by God to protect it from viruses and diseases.

Surprisingly, scientists found that the best way to release (liberate) these vital substances is to dip the fly in a liquid!! Because these substances are concentrated on the outer surface of the fly body and wing.

Brothers in God! This information did not appear until a few years ago, when talking about by Western scientists themselves, they were talking surprisingly, because it is new and strange for them also, in one study stated in the beginning of the article as follows:

The surface of flies is the last thing you can expect to find antibiotics on.

Today, doctors from Russia have been trying to develop new treatment using flies, where they observed that flies contain a lot of material that can help to recover more than traditional medicines, and say that this new therapy will make (cause) a revolution in the world of medicine [6].

Scientists say that flies carry many types of bacteria, viruses and pathogenic microbes, but at the same time it carries on the surface of its body materials against these pathogens, and the best method to extract these biological material from the fly is to dip it in a liquid, and these new discoveries, puzzled researchers were not expected ever to find disease and medicine in the same creature, flies!! The question is: Is this what the Prophet the greatest told us peace be upon him? 
   ISLAM IS THE ONLY WAY TO SALVATION!

With the so many deseases stated in thread, is it safe to dip flies in your drink? Your scientist didn't tell you how long the fly has to stay in the drink before it releases the antidote. Quack doctor, his certificate should be withdrawn.

ebetek:
Who is "allah" really? The word "allah" is arabic for "god". Is allah really God or a false "god" that just wants to be God? One of the names of allah is "the most proud one". Others are "khayru al-makireen" which means "the greatest of all deceivers" and "al mumit" which means "the creator of death". Is allah the same as the Christian God? The Christian God has an only begotten Son named Yeshua ha'Mashiach (Jesus Christ) Who came in the flesh to die on the cross so that our sins can be washed away in His blood for anyone willing to just believe and repent(John 3:16-18). Sura 23:91 in the Koran states allah has no begotten son(read 1 John 2:22 to see what that means). The Koran states that the prophet Isa, whom they try to dishonestly relate to Jesus, will return with the Mahdi to admit he LIED and did not die on the cross but Judas Iscariot did in his place in secret. The Koran then goes on to strangely say this lying prophet Isa will be the one to judge the world after the Madhi's work is done. The Mahdi is suppose to come and rule the entire world for the last 7 years as an Islamic empire while beheading all infidels that refuse to convert to Islam (should sound familiar to Christians). According to sura 27:82, allah will bring a beast forth from inside the earth to punish infidels (compare to Revelation 13:11).

This is revealing bro.

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Why is it only Muhammad that is being insulted everywhere?
What did he do that make people from different nations insult him?
There are other prophets recognized in islam, why is nobody insulting them?
Something, I mean many things are wrong with him that muslims are blind to see.

Rilwayne001:
Those who though are devout worshippers of God, they observed prayers as the Quran prescribed it, but they are hypocrite, despite doing all these they still went ahead to indulge in hypocrisy and sin, God will show them mercy but that'd be after they have been punished for sometime.



I am not deluded.

I'm sorry for people who follow your steps. You are a great liar.

Where did you get your interpretation?

Muhammad himself is said to head the muslims being rescued. Is he also a worshiper not devout?

dayodare49o:
There are many ways by which we can prove to understand that The Bible has done her part and has expired. Some of these ways are mathematical, Scientific...prophectical ways.

I choose to use prophetical way to prove that The Bible has done her part, fulfilled her purposes and has expired.

Prophecy can be defined as ability without phisical eyes, man-made apparatus and mental skill to foresee what ought and must happen in the future. Prophecy can be divided into two which are dependent and independent prophecies.

Independent prophecy can be defined as a prophecy which its fulfillment doesn't depend on action and inaction of mankind. No matter what mankind does it will surely come to pass. Example is no matter what human beings do good or bad, favour or not favour the world must come to an end.

Dependent Prophecy can be defined as a prophecy which her occurrence depends on mankind action and in action. Jesus being crussified is good example of dependent prophecy human beings can choose not to kill him if they had wanted not to. They ought not to have killed him

Below are points to know that The Bible has expired.

1 Independent Prophecy: All the independent prophecy that The Bible talks about had been fulfilled. You may claim that you didn't see it, that does not mean that they have not been fulfilled.

2. Dependent Prophecy: All the prophecies that The Bible talks about have been fulfilled. Those that have not been fulfilled might not be fulfilled because they base on action and inaction of mankind.

3 Sins: All the sins that The Bible talked about have been all committed by mankind, including the highest of them like insulting words to the spirit...homo.

4. Period or Life Span: The period of which all the prophecies must be fulfilled ended in year 2000 (millennium)

5 Grace Period: The Grace period of 13 years to prepare, to put our households in order was added to it and that expired in year 2013

6. Abandonment: As we can all see since some few years, there is a sign that a power that was sustaining the world and the righteousness in it has gone. The spirit of conscience, guit, humility... care for the holy name has gone away from the world. All those words that used to be too big in our mouths have been come cheap consumption, everyone is wishing to be labeled with bad thing just to be famous.

7. Signs: All kind of signs have been perfomed by God to prove His Supremacy. To show sign of rejection and dominion through all kinds of creation.

8 Change of Ownership: Since 2008 we had been experiencing change of ownership, as God abandoned it, devil took its ownership.

9. Climate Change: The climate change is another proof, every year the number of people dieing as a result of climate change is increasing at a very higher percentage.

10 Natural Disaster: Natural disasters that were not known before now become households talks, disasters happen everyday around the world these days. Although, the world government is trying its best to keep all this away from public knowledge but they are too much to be kept away from us. The few that leaks out is enough for us to know what is going on

11. The Bible Purpose: Purpose of The Bible has been manipulated. The Bible is no more seeing as holy book but as professional book all the handlers use it for purpose that is not meant for and they don't feel guity.

With all these I believed and I know that Bible had served her purpose and had given her stewardness/accountability to her sender.

Trash!

I believe you are less busy and decided to write just anything.

Rilwayne001:
You know I don't like replying you, why? because you are a robot. And you have been programmed not to understand any explanation giving to you. Pa malvisguy noticed this in you, hence, his reason not to sent you to school, because he know if he did, its going to be in futility.

I don't have time for ROBOT.

Truthman is an old man suffering from amnesia. His ambition right from time has been to become a pastor like oyedepo, oristejafor, he dreamt of riding private jet around. But he is depressed by the fact that he church business has not been yielding his desired aim, hence, is reason for coming here to lay his anger on muslim. But, trust me he is on a futile mission, because falsehood is bound to perish.

Is this^ the person you are trying to emulate? an old man suffering from attention deficit disoder?

Shaking my head for you.

Just one advice to you malviguy212. Go write O'level. and If you dont want to mingle among those little boys writing it, kindly take up and adult education. It will be better for you like that than to emulate this confused old man.

my2kobo



lol @ deluded boy. I believe every reasonable person both christian and muslim reading this thread will see the deluded between myself, you and your mentor.

I'm not surprised that muslims do lie a lot. Islam permits it and in fact islam itself is a total lie. It takes lies to defend lies. The bible says all liars shall have their part in the lake of fire. No wonder allahh has ordained hellfire for muslims, he knows what he is doing.

How do you know all you said about me and my brother Mulvisguy? This is a clear proof that you are a liar and everything you have been saying anytime is a lie. Smh!

I pray you will repent and escape hellfire.