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mustymatic:
My brother the quran doesn't lie, I believe in Jesus too

If it doesn't lie, why is it inconsistent? It says something and changes it later. Why is that if not lies?

https://www.nairaland.com/2260353/muslims-why-did-fail-probe

EzioAuditore:
We're talking about the bible you guys follow aren't we. Stop bringing muslims or Muhammad into this. Why can't you defend your religion? Can't it' stand on its own? Did I quote any Islamic text or script here? You said I quoted out of context, quote them in context.

Why are you afraid to answer the question? Am I not asking about the bible? I said ''Which one existed in the time of Muhammad, the bible or torah or injeel?

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Empiree

Sahih Bukhari Volume 004, Book 055, Hadith Number 583.
Narated By Ibn Abbas : The first lady to use a girdle was the mother of Ishmael. She used a girdle so that she might hide her tracks from Sarah. Abraham brought her and her son Ishmael while she was suckling him, to a place near the Ka'ba under a tree on the spot of Zam-zam, at the highest place in the mosque. During those days there was nobody in Mecca, nor was there any water So he made them sit over there and placed near them a leather bag containing some dates, and a small water-skin containing some water, and set out homeward. Ishmael's mother followed him saying, "O Abraham! Where are you going, leaving us in this valley where there is no person whose company we may enjoy, nor is there anything (to enjoy)?" She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her Then she asked him, "Has Allah ordered you to do so?" He said, "Yes." She said, "Then He will not neglect us," and returned while Abraham proceeded onwards, and on reaching the Thaniya where they could not see him, he faced the Ka'ba, and raising both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayers:

'O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring dwell in a valley without cultivation, by Your Sacred House (Kaba at Mecca) in order, O our Lord, that they may offer prayer perfectly. So fill some hearts among men with love towards them, and (O Allah) provide them with fruits, so that they may give thanks.' (14.37) Ishmael's mother went on suckling Ishmael and drinking from the water (she had).

When the water in the water-skin had all been used up, she became thirsty and her child also became thirsty. She started looking at him (i.e. Ishmael) tossing in agony; She left him, for she could not endure looking at him, and found that the mountain of Safa was the nearest mountain to her on that land. She stood on it and started looking at the valley keenly so that she might see somebody, but she could not see anybody. Then she descended from Safa and when she reached the valley, she tucked up her robe and ran in the valley like a person in distress and trouble, till she crossed the valley and reached the Marwa mountain where she stood and started looking, expecting to see somebody, but she could not see anybody. She repeated that (running between Safa and Marwa) seven times."

The Prophet said, "This is the source of the tradition of the walking of people between them (i.e. Safa and Marwa). When she reached the Marwa (for the last time) she heard a voice and she asked herself to be quiet and listened attentively. She heard the voice again and said, 'O, (whoever you may be)! You have made me hear your voice; have you got something to help me?" And behold! She saw an angel at the place of Zam-zam, digging the earth with his heel (or his wing), till water flowed from that place. She started to make something like a basin around it, using her hand in this way, and started filling her water-skin with water with her hands, and the water was flowing out after she had scooped some of it."

The Prophet added, "May Allah bestow Mercy on Ishmael's mother! Had she let the Zam-zam (flow without trying to control it) (or had she not scooped from that water) (to fill her water-skin), Zam-zam would have been a stream flowing on the surface of the earth." The Prophet further added, "Then she drank (water) and suckled her child. The angel said to her, 'Don't be afraid of being neglected, for this is the House of Allah which will be built by this boy and his father, and Allah never neglects His people.' The House (i.e. Kaba) at that time was on a high place resembling a hillock, and when torrents came, they flowed to its right and left. She lived in that way till some people from the tribe of Jurhum or a family from Jurhum passed by her and her child, as they (i.e. the Jurhum people) were coming through the way of Kada'. They landed in the lower part of Mecca where they saw a bird that had the habit of flying around water and not leaving it. They said, 'This bird must be flying around water, though we know that there is no water in this valley.' They sent one or two messengers who discovered the source of water, and returned to inform them of the water. So, they all came (towards the water)." The Prophet added, "Ishmael's mother was sitting near the water. They asked her, 'Do you allow us to stay with you?" She replied, 'Yes, but you will have no right to possess the water.' They agreed to that." The Prophet further said, "Ishmael's mother was pleased with the whole situation as she used to love to enjoy the company of the people. So, they settled there, and later on they sent for their families who came and settled with them so that some families became permanent residents there. The child (i.e. Ishmael) grew up and learnt Arabic from them and (his virtues) caused them to love and admire him as he grew up, and when he reached the age of puberty they made him marry a woman from amongst them.

After Ishmael's mother had died, Abraham came after Ishmael's marriage in order to see his family that he had left before, but he did not find Ishmael there. When he asked Ishmael's wife about him, she replied, 'He has gone in search of our livelihood.' Then he asked her about their way of living and their condition, and she replied, 'We are living in misery; we are living in hardship and destitution,' complaining to him. He said, 'When your husband returns, convey my salutation to him and tell him to change the threshold of the gate (of his house).' When Ishmael came, he seemed to have felt something unusual, so he asked his wife, 'Has anyone visited you?' She replied, 'Yes, an old man of so-and-so description came and asked me about you and I informed him, and he asked about our state of living, and I told him that we were living in a hardship and poverty.' On that Ishmael said, 'Did he advise you anything?' She replied, 'Yes, he told me to convey his salutation to you and to tell you to change the threshold of your gate.' Ishmael said, 'It was my father, and he has ordered me to divorce you. Go back to your family.' So, Ishmael divorced her and married another woman from amongst them (i.e. Jurhum).

Then Abraham stayed away from them for a period as long as Allah wished and called on them again but did not find Ishmael. So he came to Ishmael's wife and asked her about Ishmael. She said, 'He has gone in search of our livelihood.' Abraham asked her, 'How are you getting on?' asking her about their sustenance and living. She replied, 'We are prosperous and well-off (i.e. we have everything in abundance).' Then she thanked Allah' Abraham said, 'What kind of food do you eat?' She said. 'Meat.' He said, 'What do you drink?' She said, 'Water." He said, "O Allah! Bless their meat and water." The Prophet added, "At that time they did not have grain, and if they had grain, he would have also invoked Allah to bless it." The Prophet added, "If somebody has only these two things as his sustenance, his health and disposition will be badly affected, unless he lives in Mecca." The Prophet added," Then Abraham said Ishmael's wife, "When your husband comes, give my regards to him and tell him that he should keep firm the threshold of his gate.' When Ishmael came back, he asked his wife, 'Did anyone call on you?' She replied, 'Yes, a good-looking old man came to me,' so she praised him and added. 'He asked about you, and I informed him, and he asked about our livelihood and I told him that we were in a good condition.' Ishmael asked her, 'Did he give you any piece of advice?' She said, 'Yes, he told me to give his regards to you and ordered that you should keep firm the threshold of your gate.' On that Ishmael said, 'It was my father, and you are the threshold (of the gate). He has ordered me to keep you with me.'

[b]Then Abraham stayed away from them for a period as long as Allah wished, and called on them afterwards. He saw Ishmael under a tree near Zamzam, sharpening his arrows. When he saw Abraham, he rose up to welcome him (and they greeted each other as a father does with his son or a son does with his father). Abraham said, 'O Ishmael! Allah has given me an order.' Ishmael said, 'Do what your Lord has ordered you to do.' Abraham asked, 'Will you help me?' Ishmael said, 'I will help you.' Abraham said, Allah has ordered me to build a house here,' pointing to a hillock higher than the land surrounding it." The Prophet added, "Then they raised the foundations of the House (i.e. the Ka'ba). Ishmael brought the stones and Abraham was building, and when the walls became high, Ishmael brought this stone and put it for Abraham who stood over it and carried on building, while Ishmael was handing him the stones, and both of them were saying, 'O our Lord! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.' The Prophet added, "Then both of them went on building and going round the Ka'ba saying: O our Lord ! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing." (2.127)
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Your pasting the full length of the hadith does not make any difference. In fact it proves the more that Abraham had no hands in the building of Kaaba.

Please study the bold: In the 2nd paragraph, Abraham talked about Kaaba The Sacred House at the time Ishmael was still being suckled. This was a time there was nothing, absolutely nothing on that land. How could Abraham talk about Kaaba on the land nothing was existing? If Kaaba was there already, it means he was not the builder.

The last paragraph (bold): Abraham talked about Ishmael helping him in the building Kaaba after he said it was was already there when Ishmael was still a baby. We are not told allahh spoke to Abraham to build Kaaba at that initial stage of their journey to Mecca.

Now tell me, at what time did Abraham built Kaaba, because according to this hadith, it was already in Mecca,the first time he settled Hagai there with her baby?

Again, quran says there was no messenger in Mecca before Muhammad, how do you explain Abraham (a messenger) being in Mecca without running into contradiction?

What house of worship did he build for himself and his other children in Israel?

Remember it was God who approved the sending away of Ishmael and his mother from his house in Israel, why did He (God) suddenly become interested in them as to build a house of worship for them without a single house of worship for the favourite family?

EzioAuditore:
Again running from the question, something that should be easy for you but apparently you can't so you're making excuses. As usual, you're trying to change the subject and ignore my questions. Truthman, answer my question, which one of them was lying? Clear proof of the bibles corruption.

Which one existed in the time of Muhammad, Torah and Injeel or the Bible? Answer this and let me start with you.

EzioAuditore:
Lmao! You can't can you?

Before I will defend, you have to prove to me you can defend yours too.

Your case is like a pot calling the kettle black.

Since the words of allahh, a god, are full of errors, which ordinary humans could detect, it indicates islam is a FRUAD. Therefore you are not in the position to challenge the bible. Full stop.

EzioAuditore:
Have you removed the "LOG" in yours? You can't bloody defend it can you? What does it matter to you if I accept it or not, but at least you have cleared the doubts of other readers, you're embarrassing yourself and your religion! Who was lying amongst them?

You raised this issue first and I'm telling you to clear yours first before you can have the moral justification to talk of another person's.

I thought you would say there are no contradictions in the quran. The fact that you have accepted quranic contradictions shows allahh is a liar for saying there is none.

EzioAuditore:
Lmao! Two people narrating the same event differently but no one is lying amongst them? That sounds like a blatant lie to me, but since I quoted them out of context, quote them in context.

Who has the time to do that, which you will not accept at the end of the day.

Again, REMOVE the LOG in your religion FIRST before noticing the SPECK in another person's religion.

EzioAuditore:
We are not talking about the Quran here, we are talking about the bible, I asked you first, defend yourself. Who is lying amongst them?

No one is lying, you quoted them out of context because you lack knowledge.

Since you have agreed to quran being full of allahh's contradictions, which is not expected of the true God, remove the log in your religion before challenging the speck in another's.

EzioAuditore:
So who is lying amongst them?

Who is lying in the quranic contradictions, muhammad or allahh?

We are used to this type of trash!

David said something and Jeremiah said something different. Are they God?

Most of what you call contradictions are so to you because you lack good knowledge of the bible.

Even the quran you claim allahh is the only speak is full of CONTRADICTIONS. Did your god make mistakes? Smh!

Muslims, day 1 is finishing. I will keep reminding you every day.

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POPdecorator:
na jonathan defeat make am sick

sai buhari

iloveislam

You will soon hate islam when you find yourself inside hell if you don't repent.

It has been proved that islam is idol worship and none of you could dispute that fact and all you have to say is that nonsense. I pity you.

Waiting for:

vedaxcool

Empiree

Rilwayne001

tartar9

Abuamam

Others.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 006, Book 060, Hadith Number 385.
Narrated By Ibn Abbas : The Prophet performed a prostration when he finished reciting Surat-an-Najm, and all the Muslims and pagans and Jinns and human beings prostrated along with him.

Muhammad prayed with Muslims and Pagans and Jinns.

The pagans found it convenient to pray with Muhammad because they worshiped the same god (idol). Allah was the chief of the idols inside Kaaba and all others were under him. Would it not be convenient for the pagans to worship their chief god?

Jinns are said to be invisible beings. Even though some of them are said to have become muslims according to the quran, they remain invisible. I therefore wonder how they could see the jinns praying with them.

Islam is full of fables and lies.

tartar9:
and how did you know if I am lying,your 'holy' spirit told you

Nonsense!

Empiree:
Are you his mouth-piece?. If I want i can post the part he refused to paste. And if I did, i am sure he will still disbelieve anyways.

Yes, sometimes, you fellas are bunch of waste of time. Ibrahim and Ismail(peace be upon them) built Kaaba.

Abraham built Kaaba when there are clear evidences that he went away from Mecca as soon as he got there and never looked back?

Abraham built Kaaba when the quran says there was no messenger in Mecca before Muhammad?

Keep deceiving yourself.

mustymatic:
JESUS IS NOT GOD!!!

Because quran tells you lies about Him.

tartar9:
my reply summarily refuted your claims.I am currently busy,refuting them paragraph by paragraph won't be possible for now.even when/if I do,it still wouldn't make any difference to a closed-minded people.

Liar! Running away.

What did you say to refute anything?

Do your close-minded people include the muslims who are following the thread as guests? Why not convince them so that they won't lose faith in islam.

No muslims have anything to debunk my threads. Even for other Christians' threads, you use lies to refute them and many of them you look away from, pretending you ignore them. Smh!

Rilwayne001:
Grandpa why you come lie like this now? Is it that you don't read your buybull well or that you are suffering from amnesia?

@bold, please explain to me the following verse.

Buybull od ordered the Israelites to exterminate all the inhabitants of Canaan (men, women, and children) and to take their land. The God of the Bible commanded Moses and his followers:

Deuteronomy 20:10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. .

First of all bible God gave them 2 conditions, what are the conditions? lets read the barbaric conditions.

Deu 20:11 If they accept and open their gates, [/b] all the people in it shall be subject to FORCED LABOUR and shall work for you. [/b] .

Can you accept this kind of offer of peace?? can you allow this type of peace offer in Nigeria if you are the president?? think about it.

What if they refuse accept this offer of compulsion, what is going to happen?

Lets read further :
Deu 20:12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city.

Deu 20:13 When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it.

Deu 20:14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies.

Now this was how they are to treat cities that are not even near to the alleged promise land i.e cities that are far away that are not even a threat to them.

Deu 20:15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

How about the natives of the ppromised land? how will they treat them?

Lets read further:
Deu 20:16 However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.

Deu 20:17 Completely destroy them --the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites--as the LORD your God has commanded you. .

You know the letters and not the Spirit of the bible.

First, those cited passages are for the Jews and not for the Christians.

Those against whom wars were waged were enemy nations to Israel. They were not religious wars.

For the Cananites, they sinned against God and He wanted them displaced and handed over their land to the Istraelites. Again, it was not a religious war.

Look at Israel today surrounded by enemies and there are frequent wars between them. Is that religious war? Are they fighting like ISIL, Boko Haram etc? Muhammad was fighting like those islamic terrorists. Or was his group a nation fighting against their enemy nations?

Nowhere was war prescribed for the Jews on permanent basis. They would not fight unless specifically instructed by God.

That is not the case for islam. War is prescribed for you as a standing order. The war is not against enemy nations but individuals to forcifully convert them to islam.

Quran (2:216) - " Fighting is
prescribed for you , and ye
dislike it. But it is possible that
ye dislike a thing which is good
for you, and that ye love a thing
which is bad for you. But Allah
knoweth, and ye know not.

Empiree:
And in other thread, you claimed there is punishment for bestiality in Christianity. Now you said something else. At-ttaqiyah in action

Agbaya jati jati. See how your pikins defeated you. I hope your wife and kids that you so much proud of are reading this. Dont hide it from them


@truthman2012 said:
And his silly argument was CRUSHED!

Trash!

I can see you high with anger. The spirit of islam in demonstration. Smh!

tola9ja:
Surat Al-'Anbyā' (The Prophets) - سورة الأنبياء

21:107
And We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a mercy to the worlds.

Mohammed messenger-hood is universal





Surat Fuşşilat (Explained in Detail) - سورة فصلت

41:44

And if We had made it a non-Arabic Qur'an, they would have said, "Why are its verses not explained in detail [in our language]? Is it a foreign [recitation] and an Arab [messenger]?" Say, "It is, for those who believe, a guidance and cure." And those who do not believe - in their ears is deafness, and it is upon them blindness. Those are being called from a distant place.

only a fool will not understand this verse

The Arabs were complaining to Muhammad that the quran is so difficult for them to understand and allahh/muhammad said why not? Why do you say you cannot understand something written in arabic and the messenger is even an arab. This is enough to show a reasonable person that the religion is arabian. If the arabs could not understand it, how could the non-arabs?

Allah confirms the quran is made difficult. Why? To manipulate the people:

[Quran 3:7] He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, AND SEARCHING FOR ITS HIDDEN MEANINGS, BUT NO ONE KNOWS ITS HIDDEN MEANINGS EXCEPT ALLAH. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.

''No one knows the hidden meaning of the quran except allahh''. What does this mean?

Allah has a hidden agenda which no muslims know. And the hidden agenda is to deceive mankind. Why should the meaning be made hidden?

Nobody, even the arabs in whose language the quran was written cannot understand it because only allahh understands the manipulations it contains.

Tell me, why should only allahh know something meant for your use? How do you apply it since you can't know but only allahh.

May the true God open your eyes.

vedaxcool:
Since we are in a season of asking foolish questions in the Religion Section and sing tarqiyyah over and over again, let us see how lies saved Jewish children from Nazi christians who had Jewish blood lust:



How a Paris Mosque Sheltered Jews in the Holocaust

Black lies!

Jesus said we should not slap talkless of kill. The meaning of 'Christian' is like Christ. Anybody who fights or kills is not a Christian as he/she is unlike Christ.

Characteristic of you, let your curses and abuses begin. Who cares?

tola9ja:
that means the law is applicable to Israelite if yes this is also applicable to Israelite




Matthew 15:24Amplified Bible (AMP)

24 He answered, I was sent[size=18pt] only[/size] to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


are you a Israelite?

Your question has no relevance to the thread subject. Your quote is not applicable to the Christians, but the Jews at that time.

Had We sent this as a Qur'an
(in the language) other than
Arabic, they would have said:
"Why are not its verses
explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in Arabic and a Messenger an Arab?" (Qur'an 41:44).

Muhammad was sent to the Arabs, are you an arab? Any other verse saying otherwise is contradiction.

tola9ja:
2 Chronicles 15:13King James Version (KJV)

13 That whosoever would not seek the Lord God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

This was the law given to Israel as a Nation. They never went to other nations to execute people for not believing in Yahweh unlike the muslims' case.