₦airaland Forum

POPdecorator:
Before general election there were some xtians that was praying and fasting for GEJ bcs he's a xtian even in pastor E.O Adeboye auditorium and in gate of hell keeper(david oyedepo)church and upon that they also failed
and we muslims also prayed and ALLAH heard our voice and he answered us and xtian usually say there god is superior to My ALMIGTHY,ALLHEARER,ALLSEENER ALLAH and they are worshiping true,live and most answered god but why this happened
shey there god dey sleep during the election ni

wether u take it or not

#islamistheway

Rubbish!

If only muslims voted Buhari, would he have won?

Buhari had to enter into oral agreement with Norther Christians to get votes.

gatiano:
Yes, it is the backing down of a person that lacks the knowledge of himself. Go and find YOU.

Allah has mind and the authority to declare that HE, He gave the book, The Quran to us. Can you say the same about the Bible?
At least I can tell Allah, I followed that book which You signed and verified that is good.

Is hadith the same? why do you want me to believe the hadith and accept it as the writings of Muhammad and the words of Allah?

If you have arguments, bring it on intelligently. I asked you about cain, you backed away calling it trash. Abeg go sit up.

What has cain got to do with 'How did Allah Create Eve?

Which one you dey self? Sebi de say you be atheist? When did allahh become your god?

tartar9:
OK then; Hawwa in Arabic , Yeva
(Armenian) , Eua (Biblical Greek) , Chawwah
(Biblical Hebrew) , Eva (Biblical Latin) , Eva
(Bulgarian) , Eva (Croatian) , Eva (Czech) , Eva
(Danish) , Eva (Dutch) , Eeva , Eevi (Finnish) , Eva
(Georgian) , Eva (German) , Chava, Hava (Hebrew) ,
Éva, Évike (Hungarian) , Éabha (Irish) , Eva (Italian) ,
Ieva (Latvian) , Ieva (Lithuanian) , Eva
(Macedonian) , Eva (Norwegian) , Ewa (Polish) , Eva
(Portuguese) , Eva, Yeva (Russian) , Eva (Slovene) ,
Eva, Evelia , Evita (Spanish) , Eva (Swedish) , Havva
(Turkish) , Efa (Welsh)…
Happy now

Are these names in the quran? Where did allahh give her the names? Or he didn't give her any name after creating her?

EzioAuditore:
Go and read the post dumbo. Maybe then you'll shut the f*ck up.

Terrorist!

jcross19:
the more you go deep into the book of poems , I mean koran the more you expose their weakness and this is part of the reason they protect the image of that allah and mohammad by sword. I see . Just to quote from the book allah where the evil claim it created eve in it's book ,oh I remember allah was busy with virgins in its paradise and he was confused not mention eve.

Did you see how tartar9 has been avoiding to mention Eve because he knows the next question?

tartar9:
the one that gave birth to you

What is her name.

tartar9:
THE FIRST WOMAN!

Who is the first woman?

gatiano:
2:1 I, Allah, am the best Knower.

2:2 This Book, there is no doubt in it, is a guide to those who keep their duty,

2:3 Who believe in the Unseen and keep up prayer and spend out of what We have given them,

2:4 And who believe in that which has been revealed to thee and that which was revealed before thee, and of the Hereafter they are sure.

Those verses is to clarify how the Quran came about.
Now, where in the hadith did it say, "I Muhammad the Prophet wrote this book called hadith and in it those are my deeds"? where?

Adam and Eve according to the bible gave birth to two sons amongst a few named cain and abel, cain murdered abel, and was sent away with a curse that nobody should kill him. Where on earth did he find a wife? Atleast according to that bible, Adam and Eve were the first of both pair. why will anybody want to kill cain, if there were only his parents around?

Adam refers to a people not a person, if there was no mention of Eve in the Quran, that means something is wrong with the bible, perhap it was just so for the main purpose of oppressing the Women.

Trash!

EzioAuditore:
You don't speak English do you? Go and get someone to translate what his post says.

I don't speak English, I speak your language. When you are flawed you start saying nonsense.

gatiano:
stop or quit correcting something you are not sure about, that makes you sub-human.

It is you who don't what you are saying. I gave you a hadith where Muhammad called Adam's wife Eve. Where did he get the name?

Up till now, none of you can point out Eve mentioned by allahh other than the nonsense you are inferring. To you, Adam is the same as Eve, not a separate individual? What a reasoning. The two of them are HIM and bear Adam. Smh!

EzioAuditore:
Yeah and all pastors are saints or "men of God" as you call them, at least we see past their charade, you idiots just embrace their madness, "the pastor is very powerful" you say, while he's robbing you blind. Smh, there's no limit to your stupidity is there?

When you muslim guys lack what lies to tell, you resort to abuses. Anyway, abuses are better than beheading. If it were your 'prophet' he would go farther than abuses.

Jinns recite the quran to voodoo priests. So, these jinns who recite the quran are muslims helping the voodoo priests. It shows muslim jinns and voodoo priests are co-workers like Muhammad and muslim jinns and pagans are co-workers. Devil working with devils.

Anas09:
Ah, gatiano is no longer an Atheist? You r now a muslim? You r so confused. I said it here, Atheists tilts towards Islam, just like Islam and paganism romanses. Smh.

correct.

tartar9:
the verse clearly shows the first woman was created from the first man,what else do you want?

Which woman?

@ gatiano

I don't know how else I can explain to you.

[Quran 38:71-72]
71. ''Behold, thy Lord said to
the angels: "I am about to
create man from clay:
72. When I have fashioned HIM
(in due proportion) and
breathed into HIM of My spirit,
fall ye down in obeisance unto
HIM.''


[Quran Pickthal 2:31] And He
taught ADAM all the names,
then showed them to the
angels, saying: Inform Me of
the names of these, if ye are
truthful.

Now tell me, where did allahh mention Eve in that scenario? All we can see is 'HIM' and ADAM.

Nowhere did allahh mention the name 'Eve' in the whole of the quran. What you have said are just inferences.

eshbeewanna:
This is the true story.Please Read

The Prophet (peace be upon him) never uttered those verses. To sum it all up, the story basically states that when the Prophet (peace be upon him) was leading the prayer one time near the Ka'bah, he was reciting Surah 53:19-20 and then immediately after he recited those verses, he said "those are the high-flying cranes and indeed their intercession is to be hoped for" so the Quraysh tribe were so thrilled that the Prophet (peace be upon him) spoke so positively about their Gods that they also prostrated with the Muslims after he recited those verses. Afterwards, Allah sent down a verse rebuking the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) (Surah 17:73-75)

Ibn Sad says that before this, in the Rajab of the 5th year of Prophethood, a small group of the Companions had emigrated to Abyssinia. Then, when in the Ramadan of the same year this incident took place the news spread that the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) had recited Surah An-Najm publicly in the assembly of the Quraish and the whole assembly, including the believers as well as the disbelievers, had fallen down in prostration with him. When the emigrants to Abyssinia heard this news they formed the impression that the disbelievers of Makkah had become Muslims. Thereupon, some of them returned to Makkah in the Shawwal of the 5th year of Prophethood, only to learn that the news was wrong and the conflict between Islam and disbelief was raging as furiously as before. Consequently, the second emigration to Abyssinia took place, in which many more people left Makkah.

Thus, it becomes almost certain that this Surah was revealed in the Ramadan of 5th year of Prophethood. (Syed Abu-Ala' Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur'an, Commentary on Surah 53, Source)  

The very first verse indicates that this Surah was revealed on the occasion of Mi`raj (Ascension). According to the Traditions and books on the life of the Holy Prophet, this event happened one year before Hijrah. Thus, this Surah is one of those, which were revealed in the last stage of Prophethood at Makkah. (Syed Abu-Ala' Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur'an, Commentary on Surah 17, Source)  

And the verse that supposedly abrogated it was revealed in 1 A.H, which is approximately 8 years after the incident:  

The sudden change of the style from v. 25 shows that probably vv. 25-78 were sent down in the month of Zul-Hijjah in the very first year after Hijrah. This is indicated by vv. 25-41 and confirmed by the occasion of the revelation of vv. 39-40. (Syed Abu-Ala' Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur'an, Commentary on Surah 22, Source)  

Are they trying to say that the Muslims believed that the Satanic revelations were true revelations for approximately eight years? That would mean that the Quraysh would have believed that the Muslims were pagan worshippers. So if the Quraysh did believe this, then why did they keep on persecuting the Muslims for their beliefs, which is the reason why the Hijra took place anyway?  

 

Obviously, one should also continue reading the remainder of the Surah:

Surah 53:21-25

What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female? Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair! These are nothing but names which ye have devised, - ye and your fathers, - for which God has sent down no authority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire! - Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord! Nay, shall man have (just) anything he hankers after? But it is to God that the End and the Beginning (of all things) belong.  
Truth will always prevail.

Your story here is not believable, without prejudice please.

I have engaged with muslims on the satanic verse issue and what they said then was that Muhammad was not reconciling the idols to unite them but he was condemning them. Then, if he was condemning them, why would the pagans join him in worship:

[Quran 53:19-23 Pickthal]
19. Have ye thought upon Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza
20. And Manat, the third, the other?
21. Are yours the males and His the females?
22. That indeed were an unfair division!
23. They are but names which ye have named, ye and your fathers, for which Allah hath revealed no warrant. They follow but a guess and that which (they) themselves desire. And now the guidance from their Lord hath come unto them.

At that time, I accused muslims of Muhammad reconciling pagans and they relied on verse 23 to say no, he was condemning them. You are now using the same occassion to justify Muhammad praying with pagans. No! Not acceptable.

Anyway, as far as I know, the occassion when Muhammad had unity of faith with pagans is not related to the satanic verse which was later abroggated.

But let's look at it: why should Muhammad receive message from satan? Did he not know the voice of his lord? Tell me, which past prophets received messages from satan in error? I tell you, it is all about spiritual manipulations. May God open your spiritual eyes.

MightySparrow:
The Quran redirects to read the Bible to find out more about any questions not mentioned or clear in the Quran. The Bible has this record.
So?

Yet they condemn the bible when their own quran is very scanty and lacks details.

So it is with Abraham and Ishmael, Moses and other prophets. The quran talks about them as if they droped from heaven. No information about where they were coming from, where they lived and die. Just total confusion to mislead mankind.

When it attempts to tell a story, it would start from the top to bottom to create confusion. Muslims says when cornered that it is not a story book, forgetting it tell some stories one-quarter way. It talks about Moses and children of Israel and Pharaoh in such a way that if you don't read the bible you can never understand the whole event. Can God give such misleading information?

.

gatiano:
Could you please quote it from the Quran or tell me which chapter and verse where i can read it for myself. I don't know it off hand.

Which verses are you asking for, these?

[Quran, Pickthal 4:1] O mankind! Be
careful of your duty to your
Lord Who created you from a
single soul and from it created
its mate and from them twain
hath spread abroad a multitude
of men and women. Be careful
of your duty toward Allah in
Whom ye claim (your rights) of
one another, and toward the
wombs (that bare you). Lo!
Allah hath been a watcher over
you.

[Quran, Yusufali 4:1]
O mankind! reverence your
Guardian-Lord, who created
you from a single person,
created, of like nature, His
mate, and from them twain
scattered (like seeds) countless
men and women;- reverence
Allah, through whom ye
demand your mutual (rights),
and (reverence) the wombs
(That bore you): for Allah ever
watches over you.

Quran, Pickthal 2:30] And when thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I am about to place a viceroy in the earth, they said: Wilt thou place therein one who will do harm therein and will shed blood, while we, we hymn Thy praise and sanctify Thee? He said: Surely I know that which ye know not.

[Quran Pickthal 2:31] And He taught Adam all the names, then showed them to the angels, saying: Inform Me of the names of these, if ye are truthful.

gatiano:
It mentioned how, just it has been removed from the bible. And in the quran, It says Man is made from a single drop of clotted liquid.
God does not differeciate between Man and Woman. It is this wicked world that treats the woman so badly and as a second citizen laying to that ignorant claim that She ate an apple.

You keep saying the same thing.

Allah when he said he created man, he didn't call him man, he called him Adam. So, if he created Eve, he shouldn't call her woman, he should have called her Eve. Didn't he know her name? Besides, he never talked about how he created the female. Do male and female have the same make-up (biological features)?

OREMUSSANCTUS:
I call on d spirits of empiree tartar9 de depressed tola9ja de kid rilwaynes001 de ibadan pikin abuamam de paddy mi atata udatso ma new islam G 9jaforlife to come and say dem own version

They won't come if they lack the lies they will tell.

omokab:
mr man why I'm talking about this issue is that am on brake time in my office.As you can see that I put eve and adam in the bracket.All your quotation now,do you even see adam there? I put adam for you to see that she is the one referring to.She is called hawaa in islam.Hawaa is used for female while hawAal is used for male and it means one or first as the case maybe.don't expect to see eve in the quaran.Some names are similar just like the case of adam both in the bible and the quaran.While some are not the same like job in bible and called Ayuba in quaran,Jesus in bible and called yisa in the quran.You can as well ask yourself the name giving to jesus when he was born.Is it jesus.Who gave him that name? Pls use your time to bring a better topic not the one that will bring hatred about religion and if you wanted to continue more Grease to your elbow.Good day!

This does not explain anything. Tell me where allahh himself mentioned Eve and how he created her. Simple.

gatiano

The Quran is complete and the most balanced book, however a little part of it has been tampered with compare to the bible which most if not all has been tampered with. hadith? don't get me started, anybody who has ever believed in that book and obeyed knowing the right from wrong should be asked to knee down and face the wall.

Let's not talk about this for now as it will derail the thread, otherwise I would have asked you to provide proofs of which part of the bible was tampered with and tell me what was the original statement from authentic Christian source and not from muslims and atheist perspectives.

Man is Man and can be referred to both Man and Woman. The difference between man and woman is only the hormones which is needed for the woman to be able to have her womb and keep the universe in progression. For that reason alone, A woman is more of A GOD than a Man.

This is not the point. The point is: Allah didn't mention how, when he created Eve. No mention of her name is made. Period.

gatiano:
Always remember Brother, when replying Gatiano, That Gatiano does not do hadith. God/Allah/Blackman/Yahweh/Muhammad(real one) has nothing to do with the hadith. Bring up your arguements from The Quran.

How will like to answer you in the same manner, How is the bible from the True Creator?

That is another topic. We are discussing the quran here.

omokab:
And God siad;O mankind !Be dutiful to your lord who created you from a single person(Adam) and from him (Adam) He created his wife(Eve),and from the both He created many men and women(Quaran 4:1).Pls stop saying what you don't have knowledge about it again. Is bad!
The phrase "from him(Adam) has qualified the fact that she was created from Adam.The narration that she was created from the rib is narrated in hadit to give more information about how she was created.Allah said if you are looking for something that is clear to you He said you should look from his quran and if you can't find it there check hadit of prophet Muhammed.We also have what we call taoseer that explain quran in details.If GOD says something in the quran the full explanation will be found in taofser.try to learn more about isalm before you jump into conclusion.

You guys have started your lying now. The word 'Eve' you inserted in bracket is your own making, it is not in quran:

Shakir 4:1] O people! be careful of (your duty to) your Lord, Who created you from a single being and created its mate of the same (kind) and spread from these two, many men and women; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, by Whom you demand one of another (your rights), and (to) the ties of relationship; surely Allah ever watches over you.

[Pickthal 4:1] O mankind! Be careful of your duty to your Lord Who created you from a single soul and from it created its mate and from them twain hath spread abroad a multitude of men and women. Be careful of your duty toward Allah in Whom ye claim (your rights) of one another, and toward the wombs (that bare you). Lo! Allah hath been a watcher over you.

[Yusufali 4:1]
O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, His mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women;- reverence Allah, through whom ye demand your mutual (rights), and (reverence) the wombs (That bore you): for Allah ever watches over you.

Where did you get your Eve?

Besides, we saw how he claims he created Adam from clay, how and when did he say he created Eve?

gatiano:
How did God create Eve? some say Hawwah, some say Lilith, some say Nekaybaw. How can we be so sure that Eve is the right one?

Muhammad called her 'Eve':

"Narrated Abu
Hurrairah: The Prophet said,
'Were it not for Bani Israel,
meat would not decay; and were
it not for EVE, no woman would
ever betray her
husband.'" (Sahih Bukhari,
Hadith 611, Volume 55)

The problem is not the nomenclature, how was Adam's wife created citing the quran?

Why didn't allahh say anything about it?

How is the quran from the true Creator?

You have an account of how allahh is said to have created Adam in the quran as follows:

[Quran 38:71-72]

71. ''Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I am about to create man from clay:
72. When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him.''

Nowhere did allahh talk about the creation of Eve in the quran. He didn't even mention Eve by name. Did he forget? Or is he not her creator?

What you have are hadiths talking about her and not even her creation. Who told them Adam wife's name was Eve (Hawwa)?

Stop saying the quran is complete without omissions or errors.

.

EzioAuditore:
Most of what you're saying is true. But those "mallams" who "buy and sell jinns" are not muslims, they are voodoo priests.

Nonsense!

Voodoo priests and their jinns (demons) recite the quran. Does that not show you islam/quran is from demonic world? Is that not the reason Muhammad prayed with jinns and pagan? Spiritual ignorance.

EzioAuditore:
What you don't seem to get is that a muslim can refute your stupid claims a billion different ways. Just because pagans prostrated, what happened? So friggin what? Go and find another angle, this one isn't working.

Rubbish!

Adicted liars.

true2god:
Islamic and arab concience are sealed with lies. Hardly will any historian\writer make reference to arabs for for any research, cos they are born liars.

That the black stone was thrown from heaven to determine the location of the kabba is like a yoruba man saying that Orunmila came from heaven and gave birth to the yoruba race. When lies are told repeatedly to many generations, it's somehow taken as truth.

The arabs have mastered the art of indoctinations that any other race worldwide. If, for example, I go to saudi arabia and deny that no allahh throw any black stone to determine that location of kabba, do you know that I will be killed immediately? That is how Islam works. Tell a lie and maintain that lie with threat and intinidations.

Our friend empiree had since refused to show us where Jesus and the rest went to mecca. He did not also deny the fact that encircling kabba did not start from Islam, it was originally a hindlu practice (tll date) and its still beings practiced by hindus. Another shocker, the hindu also have their own black stone which they worshipped and claimed that it was one of their gods that approve it. Can you see the clear relationship between islam and some hindu rituals?

Islam\mohammed was conversant with the religions of his days, but the 2 religions that were so dear to him are Judaism and christianity, hence his attempt to forcefully become one of the 'prophets'. Mohammed knew that hindu existed during his days but called them pagans (because christians and Jews do call the pagans as well) but ended up borrowing some their practices into islam.

@ Empiree, do hindus also reference a black stone or not (in their worship)? Will you also kiss the black stone, as muslims do, when you visit mecca? Will you also run around the kabba just as the hindus currently do as well?

You see bro., many of the hadiths were written by the early muslims without knowing the spiritual implications. They are so used to idolatery that they thought God's worship and idol worship are the same. It is now that Christians are showing them the implications they start changing and re-translating the quran and hadiths. I checked a hadith on an islamic site on how the quran was compiled and some verses lost due to death of many memorizers in wars and some already on paper eaten up by rats. Last time I wanted to copy it, it has disappeared from the site.

In 2012, I got a write-up on the net by an islamic scholar, comparing hinduism with islam and showing the similarities. I posted it in the muslims section and highlighted the spiritual implications, it didn't last one hour before it was deleted.

Recently, I opened a thread titled ''Islam Among Arabs'' debunking the claim that Abraham and Ishmael had established islam in Mecca before the coming of Muhammad. It was moved to muslim section by the mod. It lasted about one week and when there was no answer, it was deleted.

They delete hadiths on islamic sites, they re-translate the quran, they delete convincing threads, they lie etc. Don't they have conscience? How are they content with self deception? O ga o!

Empiree:
Refer to reply to tru2god^

Sometmes I wonder if you are what you claim you are(truthman aka intelligent man). Black Stone came down since beginning of time. Had always been there way before Abraham.

Neither Abraham, Ishmael nor Hagai said they saw the black stone when they first got to Mecca. According to the hadith, no people, no house, nothing was on ground. I wonder where you got your own information.

If Abraham saw the black stone at that time, why would he go without looking back on allahh's order? Would allahh have thrown the stone there already and still ordered him not to look back?

My friend, did you forget giving us the islamic source that says Moses, Joshua, Jesus etc came to Kaaba, the resort and sanctuary for ALL MANKIND? You are hereby reminded again and will keep doing so.