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Demmzy15:
/\ /\ losers have been refuted, they now resort to tribalism, ethnicity and racism. Smh!

Truthman2012, bring up your next shot, be ready to defend satanic verses in the Bible!

Empiree:
Obviously, if you remove the mole from your eyes, you should know you have been answered.

The lengthy hadith is crystal clear

Now, you seem to claim love for Ismail here. But looking at judeo/christian records of hate toward Ismail (AS), it shows that many of you dont even consider him a legitimate child of Ibrahim and a messanger of God. You fellas are quiet inconsistent. Where they died is simply irrelevant. What's relevant is their mission on earth. Ayinde Barrister built is career in Nigeria but died in EU. Mrs Abiola built her career in Nigeria but died in US. So what's your poielevant

true2god:
The arabs are masters in lying and history revisionism. Its unfortunate that some Nigerian muslims have been mentally programmed to see arabian lies as true. Even when it is so clear that they are lying, some blacks will keep assisting them defend their lies.
For arab-muslims to openly and shamelessly claim that Jews like moses, elijah, Jesus, Aaron, John, Peter, Jacob etc are muslims, then the arabs can never be trusted at all.

The guy you are debating is surely not a Nigerian, he is either and arab, somali or sudanese. These set of people can kill to defend islam at all cost. It is in their DNA. The way he technically display a sort of threat proves he is very dangerous for allahh.

EzioAuditore:
Look mate, they're a lot of reasons why they may have done that. But let's say they decided to become muslims and they prostrated, substitute pagans with muslims in that sentence, show the world what a fool you are by saying it makes sense. And seriously mate? You're so good at lying you must be an arab? Is that a plonkers version of trash talk? Lmao!

EzioAuditore:
Yes, he does. He sees Angels and jinns.

What should they be called? Do you expect the Hadith to refer to them as muslims? Nah mate! That will change the whole point. Look silly boy, you have no case here, just accept it! I hate it when an id*ot keeps insisting on an irrational claim. Grow Up!

EzioAuditore:
Maybe they were showing respect, maybe that's when they became or decided to become muslims. Dude your pope went to a mosque and prayed, doesn't neccessarily mean anything.


The prophet told them.

Empiree

Genesis 28:16-18
16 When Jacob awoke from his sleep, he thought, "Surely the LORD is in this place, and I was not aware of it."
17 He was afraid and said, "How awesome is this place! This is none other than the house of God; this is the gate of heaven."
18 Early the next morning Jacob took the stone he had placed under his head and set it up as a pillar and poured oil on top of it.

Judges 20:18
18 The Israelites went up to Bethel (the House of GOD in Hebrew) and inquired of God. They said, "Who of us shall go first to fight against the Benjamites?" The LORD replied, "Judah shall go first."

1 Chronicles 6:47-49
47 the son of Mahli, the son of Mushi, the son of Merari, the son of Levi.
48 Their fellow Levites were assigned to all the other duties of the tabernacle, the house of God.
49 But Aaron and his descendants were the ones who presented offerings on the altar of burnt offering and on the altar of incense in connection with all that was done in the Most Holy Place, making atonement for Israel, [/b]in accordance with all that Moses the servant of God had commanded.

Empiree

Genesis 28:16-18
16 When Jacob awoke from his sleep, he thought, "Surely the LORD is in this place, and I was not aware of it."
17 He was afraid and said, "How awesome is this place! This is none other than the house of God; this is the gate of heaven."
18 Early the next morning Jacob took the stone he had placed under his head and set it up as a pillar and poured oil on top of it.

Judges 20:18
18 The Israelites went up to Bethel (the House of GOD in Hebrew) and inquired of God. They said, "Who of us shall go first to fight against the Benjamites?" The LORD replied, "Judah shall go first."

1 Chronicles 6:47-49
47 the son of Mahli, the son of Mushi, the son of Merari, the son of Levi.
48 Their fellow Levites were assigned to all the other duties of the tabernacle, the house of God.
49 But Aaron and his descendants were the ones who presented offerings on the altar of burnt offering and on the altar of incense in connection with all that was done in the Most Holy Place, making atonement for Israel, [/b]in accordance with all that Moses the servant of God had commanded.

EzioAuditore:
(22) And I have not created the jinn and the men except that they should serve Me.

( سورة الذاريات , Adh-Dhariyat, Chapter #51, Verse #56)

truthman2012:
Can you imagine the nonsense the guy pasted up there? He first quoted Zeph. 3:9 which I debunked and the next thing for him is to paste something unrelated. I wonder how muslims reason.

There are loads of contradictions in the quran despite allahh's lies that his word is perfect. Can you imagine a god like allahh making so many mistakes? Allahh is a FRAUD!

Nowhere in the bible prophets of God say ''Thus saith the Lord'' and find contradiction or mistake therein. Our God knows all things, Glory to His Name.

malvisguy212:
let me tell you the truth, God chose the isrealite to be blessing to the rest nation, it was through the seed of Abraham (a Jew) God promise to populate the world, God said to Rachel (a Jew) "two NATION were in your womb" it was this nation God use to filled up the earth and God ESTABLISHED is covenant with Abraham,Isaac and jecob.this covenant is everlasting ONE.it was a covenant of prophethood, that is not in this lineage is a false prophet, both the quran and bible confirmed it ;
Surah 29:27: And (as for Abraham),
We bestowed upon him Isaac and
(Isaac’s son) Jacob, and caused
prophethood and revelation to
continue among his offspring.

Exodus 2:24-25: “…and God
remembered his covenant with
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. So God
looked on the sons of Israel and God
took notice.”

You see, both the quran and bible confirmed it, any prophet that should come out side of this lineage is a false prophet, muhammed is an Arab,an Arab has no bloodline with a Jew, ishmael which is the elder son, his name should have been included before Isaac, but both the quran and bible EXCLUDED ishmael. It was this lineage that God use to reach out to the gentile nation(Arab, Africa and the rest of the world) muhammed is an illiterate,he thought God will send a prophet to every nation, if muhammed is illiterate, you are not, open your eyes and see the manipulation my friend, let me ask you a question, the quran say Aaron and Moses are prophet, and they are both Jews, TO WHICH NATION THEY ARE SENT TOO? Think well.

give me straigth answer
did any prophect in bible do pilgrimage to jerusalem?

was moses a messanger to egypt hw was he born in egypt?

ARAB were without gaurdiance before muhammed(SAW) as africa were without gaurdiance be4 muhammed(SAW)


ur paragraph answer

why were african also neglected after moses(AS)

Empiree:
@truthman2012,

Let me tell you this, I have no time for your squabbles. First all, your op falls short narrating the whole story until after I did. Which means you have ulterior motives.

Second, from nonsense questions you asked, the whole narration answered your questions. The narration is clear enough. Either you didn't read or you dont understand it. I can't help you unfortunately. Quran is clear on the issue. If your Bible doesnt have anything to say about the event, then, you dont have the right to tell us we are wrong. I am not going back to rephrase the whole thing over.

As for why Moses, Jesus and others did not recognize Kaaba because it's not recorded in your Bible, that's your problem. If your Bible writers could expunged a whole chapter from the Bible, what else they can't do?. You are free to ask Bible authors what they did to it. Not me. Actually I think i need to post some Biblical references in this regard.

Also, the hadith narration clearly said Abraham came back to look for his son Ismail. And at that time, Abraham was an old man. Ismail was a grown man and married. I even highlighted that part and still you asked me again. You sure have problem with comprehension or reading.

I say, go back and read the whole thing but this time, read slowly with reading glasses on.

POPdecorator:
i love being a muslim
live as muslim
and i pray to die as a muslim

ameeeeeeeeeeeeen

thou shall not die except being a musilm

Anas09:
So what u spewed out up there is the reason why allah aka mohammed likes pagans? I was reading something today. I discovered that christianity could not very well penetrate Asia, I mean south central and even South east Asia, but Islam did, why? Is it not obvious that birds of the same feathers flock together? Allah is pagan god, hence he easily finds its way into the territory of other pagan gods.

true2god:
Thanks truthman2012, you are doing a great job. God bless you a lot for more exposee on Islam.

Islam, fables and lies are co-joined twins. You can imagine that guy accusing that you copied from anti-islamic site, only to run when the link was provided. That is muslim for you. They thrive on intimidations, lies and ignorance. Where islamic informations are available to us kafir, the muslims become uncomfortable.

The hadith you posted clearly said that the muslims, jinn and pagan prayed together. What is the implication of that? It means that jinn, islam and pagans are united in one for the worship of allahh. We might need muslim 'scholars' in the house to shed more light on this unity in prayer among the trilogy: MUSLIMS, PAGAN, and JINN.

Empiree:
@truthman2012,

Let me tell you this, I have no time for your squabbles. First all, your op falls short narrating the whole story until after I did. Which means you have ulterior motives.

Second, from nonsense questions you asked, the whole narration answered your questions. The narration is clear enough. Either you didn't read or you dont understand it. I can't help you unfortunately. Quran is clear on the issue. If your Bible doesnt have anything to say about the event, then, you dont have the right to tell us we are wrong. I am not going back to rephrase the whole thing over.

As for why Moses, Jesus and others did not recognize Kaaba because it's not recorded in your Bible, that's your problem. If your Bible writers could expunged a whole chapter from the Bible, what else they can't do?. You are free to ask Bible authors what they did to it. Not me. Actually I think i need to post some Biblical references in this regard.

Also, the hadith narration clearly said Abraham came back to look for his son Ismail. And at that time, Abraham was an old man. Ismail was a grown man and married. I even highlighted that part and still you asked me again. You sure have problem with comprehension or reading.

I say, go back and read the whole thing but this time, read slowly with reading glasses on.

Demmzy15:
Did you read the hadith in Arabic? Why are you using a piece of translation to woo me? The Arabic version never mentioned "Mushrik" which means a pagan, it is rather disappointing for you to misinterpret and misinform. When you guys are refuted, you tend to be desperate and confused! You don't know anything in Arabic and you come and argue sh't!


Lmao, so because I corrected you then there is contradiction in Islam?! so you are now a expert on Islam ko? The Arabic version which was said by Ibn Abbas never mentioned "Mushrik", but the one you copied from 'Silas' or 'Sam Shamoun' of answering-islam.com mentioned "mushrik", so who should I believe?! Do you want me to follow you and your Christian confused evangelists?! If I start to present the contradictions in Bible, you go turn suicide bomber. Mchwww!!



Another form of desperation, did I call a pagan an atheist? Please show me where I did so, I only corrected your mistake. The hadith never mentioned "pagan" but you want me to believe your fabricated tales. The Prophet Muhammad(sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) said "if you lie on me or say things I never said, just book your sit in hell". Please book one!



You can't compare Muslims of then to the one's we have today just like I can't compare Christians like Peter, Andrew with today Christians. The margin is too great, there were many great things they did in which you can never do and some of the things they did are very unbelievable, so who tha hell are you to question them?!


You want me to prove to you that the Muslims saw the jinns, but you can't prove to that truly Jesus walked on water. How credible was those people's account, a normal human being knows that it's never possible to walk on water, just like you believe that jinns can't be seen, so what really happened?!


You're still displaying your childishness and folly, the hadith never mentioned pagan. So don't be confused!


Chineke , so you think you've known the real hadith, you clearly copied and pasted from one anti-islamic website and you think you've done a marvelous job. Some retards were praising your foolishness. You can't even make a sentence in Arabic and you're jumping to Islamic scriptures. Better stick with your Bible before I embarrass you! Chai! You're funny o, 'oh hail our scholar on Islam'. The fact is that you're scared and disappointed that someone is able to refute you, Muslims aren't cowards

You want me to prove to you that the Muslims saw the jinns, but you can't prove to that truly Jesus walked on water. How credible was those people's account, a normal human being knows that it's never possible to walk on water, just like you believe that jinns can't be seen, so what really happened?

Empiree

Paragraph you talked about was simply about location of the Kaaba. It was merely hillock as i posted earlier. Nothing was built. No house (Kaaba) was built at the time. It was like mountain in the area at that time. It means Abraham(AS) knew the location of the Kaaba where he and his son Ismail(AS) would later erect the building. The lengthy narration clearly indicates Abraham and Ismail built Kaaba. Very simple

Yusuf Ali: And remember Abraham and Isma'il raised the foundations of the House (With this prayer): "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us: For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-knowing.(2:127)

Quran 2:125)"And when We made the House (the Kaaba) [b]a resort for mankind and sanctuary, (saying): Take as your place of worship the place where Abraham stood (to pray). And We took a covenant with Abraham and Ishmael that they should purify My House (the Kaaba) for those who compass it round, devote themselves (to worship) in it, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer)."

"Indeed the first House (of worship) appointed for humanity is that at Bakka: Full of blessing and of guidance for all the worlds. In it are Signs Manifest; (such as), the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; Pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to God,- those who have the ability." (Quran 22:26-27)

129 Our Lord! Send amongst them a Messenger of their own (and indeed Allah answered their invocation by sending Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم), who shall recite unto them Your Verses and instruct them in the Book (this Qur'an) and Al-Hikmah (full knowledge of the Islamic laws and jurisprudence or wisdom or Prophethood), and purify them. Verily! You are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise."

Demmzy15

[1071] Ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated: The Prophet (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) prostrated while reciting An-Najm and with him prostrated the Muslims, the atheists, the jinns, and all human beings.

The Muslims, atheist and jinns(Muslims among the jinks, check Suratul Jinn)

I sense confusion and desperation from your words, what you're doing won't take you anywhere!

The Muslims were accompanied with a Prophet and they would have known that the jinns were present. One could ask you, what tangible evidence can give to prove that Jesus walked on water(!?) I hate double standards, if I apply it to you, you'll be confused and embarrassed!

I know you were trying to imply that what happened that day was satanic, but I challenge you today to show the so-called evidence that where, how and which hadith are Satanic?

Demmzy15:
So you think you spoke the truth, do you even know what an hadith mean?! You simply copied and pasted a misquoted hadith and think you're a genius. I would reply you when I have time and you'll have to deal with the satanic verses present in the Bible!

EzioAuditore:
I mentioned 13 because is that not what your bible says? Are you not a christian? Read:Narrated Ibn Abbas: "The first lady to use a girdle was the mother of Ishmael. She used a girdle so that she might hide her tracks from Sarah. Abraham brought her and her son Ishmael while she was suckling him, to a place near the Ka'ba under a tree on the spot of Zam-zam, at the highest place in the mosque. During those days there was nobody in Mecca, nor was there any water So he made them sit over there and placed near them a leather bag containing some dates, and a small water-skin containing some water, and set out homeward. Ishmael's mother followed him saying, "O Abraham! Where are you going, leaving us in this valley where there is no person whose company we may enjoy, nor is there anything (to enjoy)?" She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her Then she asked him, "Has Allah ordered you to do so?" He said, "Yes." She said, "Then He will not neglect us," and returned while Abraham proceeded onwards, and on reaching the Thaniya where they could not see him, he faced the Ka'ba, and raising both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayers:

'O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring dwell in a valley without cultivation, by Your Sacred House (Site of kaba at Mecca) in order, O our Lord, that they may offer prayer perfectly. So fill some hearts among men with love towards them, and (O Allah) provide them with fruits, so that they may give thanks.' (14.37) Ishmael's mother went on suckling Ishmael and drinking from the water (she had).

Now clearly we see Hagar believed in God, she was not an idol worshipper and therefore she would have thought her son about God. Besides! Ishmael is a prophet, a baby or not does he not have Gods guidance? And read the part about Abrahams prayer.

But that is not all

After Ishmael's mother had died, Abraham came after Ishmael's marriage in order to see his family that he had left before, but he did not find Ishmael there. When he asked Ishmael's wife about him, she replied, 'He has gone in search of our livelihood.' Then he asked her about their way of living and their condition, and she replied, 'We are living in misery; we are living in hardship and destitution,' complaining to him. He said, 'When your husband returns, convey my salutation to him and tell him to change the threshold of the gate (of his house).' When Ishmael came, he seemed to have felt something unusual, so he asked his wife, 'Has anyone visited you?' She replied, 'Yes, an old man of so-and-so description came and asked me about you and I informed him, and he asked about our state of living, and I told him that we were living in a hardship and poverty.' On that Ishmael said, 'Did he advise you anything?' She replied, 'Yes, he told me to convey his salutation to you and to tell you to change the threshold of your gate.' Ishmael said, 'It was my father, and he has ordered me to divorce you. Go back to your family.' So, Ishmael divorced her and married another woman from amongst them (i.e. Jurhum).

Then Abraham stayed away from them for a period as long as Allah wished and called on them again but did not find Ishmael. So he came to Ishmael's wife and asked her about Ishmael. She said, 'He has gone in search of our livelihood.' Abraham asked her, 'How are you getting on?' asking her about their sustenance and living. She replied, 'We are prosperous and well-off (i.e. we have everything in abundance).' Then she thanked Allah' Abraham said, 'What kind of food do you eat?' She said. 'Meat.' He said, 'What do you drink?' She said, 'Water." He said, "O Allah! Bless their meat and water." The Prophet added, "At that time they did not have grain, and if they had grain, he would have also invoked Allah to bless it." The Prophet added, "If somebody has only these two things as his sustenance, his health and disposition will be badly affected, unless he lives in Mecca." The Prophet added," Then Abraham said Ishmael's wife, "When your husband comes, give my regards to him and tell him that he should keep firm the threshold of his gate.' When Ishmael came back, he asked his wife, 'Did anyone call on you?' She replied, 'Yes, a good-looking old man came to me,' so she praised him and added. 'He asked about you, and I informed him, and he asked about our livelihood and I told him that we were in a good condition.' Ishmael asked her, 'Did he give you any piece of advice?' She said, 'Yes, he told me to give his regards to you and ordered that you should keep firm the threshold of your gate.' On that Ishmael said, 'It was my father, and you are the threshold (of the gate). He has ordered me to keep you with me.'

Then Abraham stayed away from them for a period as long as Allah wished, and called on them afterwards. He saw Ishmael under a tree near Zamzam, sharpening his arrows. When he saw Abraham, he rose up to welcome him (and they greeted each other as a father does with his son or a son does with his father). Abraham said, 'O Ishmael! Allah has given me an order.' Ishmael said, 'Do what your Lord has ordered you to do.' Abraham asked, 'Will you help me?' Ishmael said, 'I will help you.' Abraham said, Allah has ordered me to build a house here,' pointing to a hillock higher than the land surrounding it." The Prophet added, "Then they raised the foundations of the House (i.e. the Ka'ba). Ishmael brought the stones and Abraham was building, and when the walls became high, Ishmael brought this stone and put it for Abraham who stood over it and carried on building, while Ishmael was handing him the stones, and both of them were saying, 'O our Lord! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.' The Prophet added, "Then both of them went on building and going round the Ka'ba saying: O our Lord ! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing." (2.127) (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophets, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 583)"

Here's further proof


Narrated Ibn Abbas: "When the Prophet saw pictures in the Ka'ba, he did not enter it till he ordered them to be erased. When he saw the pictures of Abraham and Ishmael carrying the arrows of divination, he said, "May Allah curse them (i.e. the Quraish)! By Allah, neither Abraham nor Ishmael practiced divination by arrows." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophets, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 571)"



But read:
“Was Ishmael and Hagar sent to the desert before or after the birth of Isaac? If we were to accept the Biblical version, we would encounter a number of inconsistencies and contradictions. It is clear from the story in Gen. 21:14-19 that Ishmael was a little baby at that time. For example according to Gen. 16:16 Abraham was 86 years old when Ishmael was born. And according to Gen. 21:5 Abraham was one hundred years old when Isaac was born. It follows that Ishmael was already fourteen years old when his younger brother Isaac was born. According to Gen. 21:8-19 the incident took place after Isaac was weaned. Biblical scholars tell us the child was probably weaned at about the age of three. Thus, it follows that when Hagar and Ishmael were taken away Ishmael was a full-grown teenager, seventeen years old. However, the profile of Ishmael in Gen 21:14-19 is a small baby and not a full-grown teenager. Why?

Demmzy15:
*spits on thread*

Bakrabas:
this is the Qur'an 2: 148.idiot where did you get your pagan
you can't spoil Qur'an like Bible


2:158. The Safâ and the Marwah (- the two eminences near Ka‘bah) are certainly (two) of the symbols of Allâh, so he who is on Pilgrimage to the House or performs ‘Umrah (- a visit to Ka‘bah), there is no blame on him to ­perform Tawâf (- to run between) the two (eminences), and he who remains thoroughly dutiful and chooses to do good deeds spontaneously, then surely (he will find) Allâh is Appreciative and rewards every good deed done. Surely, Allâh is All-Knowing.

Qur'an 53:19 is talking about the gods of idolaters

EzioAuditore:
Truthman2012 just ran from one thread where I was kicking his a*s to another thread where I will still kick his ass.

He claims Hagar and Ishmael met no one when they went to Mecca which is true, AT FiRsT. obviously the fact that ARAbS exist proves that there were people there, safe to say this bloke thinks Ishmael was the progenitor of the whole Arab fave which he is not!

Secondly the git claims Ishmael who was about 13 years old was a baby and was too young to know his fathers religion? Okay.

His questions about Allah is what this topics answer.

Now go back and answer my questions.

Bakrabas:
I can't blame the ignorant that posted the fallacy of ignoratio.you can't just interprets a stupid and nonsense interpretation. the site you quoted was designed by the enemies of Islam.

the holy book on earth without versions-----al- Qur'an

no edition

no interpolation

no contradiction

Qur'an 2 :116 and the (Jews, Christian and pagan) say: Allah has begotten a son(children or offspring). Glorified is He (exalted is He above all that they associate with Him). Nay,to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth, and all surrender with obedience (in worship) to him.

therefore Muslims warship the God of Jesus Christ

Islam is not paganism.

check the book of Zephaniah 3:9 where the said He will change the religion of the world so that you can warship Him with one language.


only religion of Islam fulfilled the zeph3:9.as the only world religion worshiping with one language... Arabic


go and read tefsir before you can interpret Al-qur'an

don't spoil it like bible

ZKOSOSO:
It's strange to hear that Jinn can be a moslem when they are not human.
Religion is for Human beings. If a demon (jinn) can be a moslem then islam is really a Jinnic or demonic religion.
In the bible, demons are already judged waiting for the eternal damnation but human are not yet!