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Abuamam:
How many medical 'experts' here? None?

Ok. Thread of illiterates, non-medical persons discussing medicine.

Move on, nothing to see here.

This has been addressed up there, the word "remove" doesn't necessarily mean to bring out a thing from a thing. It could also me to "distant something from a thing", now how do we know that my underlined meaning of "remove" up there is what the Quran meant in this passage?

This verse of the Quran makes us understand that indeed, that is the meaning of "remove" meant in the passage up here:
Surely (as for) those for whom the good has already gone forth from Us, they shall be kept far off from it; They will not hear its faintest sound, and they shall abide in that which their souls long for. <<< keeping something far from the other think is the same as distant something from something. Therefore, the too verse makes us understand that the muslim ummah will be kept far from hell.

I believe anyone with sound mind will understand this easily without giving too much lecture on it. If your level of reasoning is not like that of a goat, you will have no problem seeing that both verse meant that muslim will be distant far away from hell, or else you want to feign ignorance as usual because you have been beclouded by your deviousness.

What you failed to understand is the context of this verse, I will take it from the preceeding verses and I will had little exigesis to them.

And man saith: When I am dead, shall I forsooth be brought forth alive?

…^^this verse talks about those who doubt whether they would be brought alive, they are doubting whether the day of judgement will come. correct me if i am wrong oo. Many Verses of the Quran has made us understand that doubting the day of judgement itself is a sin before Allah

Surah Maryam, Verse 67:
Doth not man remember that We created him before, when he was naught?

^^^Still talking about those that have doubt about the day of judgment

Surah Maryam, Verse 68:
And, by thy Lord, verily We shall assemble THEM and the devils, then We shall bring them, crouching, around hell.

Going by the first 2 verse up there, please Mr. Truthman2012 who are the THEM here ( in verse 68)

Surah Maryam, Verse 69:
Then We shall PLUCK OUT from every sect whichever of THEM was MOST STUBBORN IN REBELLION to the Beneficent.

^^ i.e there are of them (man) that apart from doubting the day of judgment they are stubborn and more rebellion to God. and the will be PLUCKED OUT. .

Surah Maryam, Verse 70:
And surely We are Best Aware of those most worthy to be burned therein.

^^ surely God knows best those who are more stubborn and rebellion to Him among them (man)

Surah Maryam, Verse 71:
There is not one of you but shall approach it. That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord.

^^Can we say including the muslim? despite God telling us that there are those who doubt about the day and among those who doubt are those who are more rebellion to God including the devil. Does that include the muslims? going by the previous verses does that include those who have no doubt at all at the same time ward off evil (muslims) ?

Surah Maryam, Verse 72:
Then We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching there.

^^and Allah knows best which one of those people are good people despite doubting the jugdment day. but surely this doesnt include those who have no doubt at all about the day and at the same time ward of evil. And also we should note that, this people were plucked out in verse 69. the question is what about the rest?

Then turning back to the hadith you quoted, this verse has been made clear that those who plucked out are both hypocrite muslims, by his mercy, he would save those he wishes to save among them.

I am not afraid of death. Xtians are the onr that should be afraid of them because Jesus told his dsciple that he will plainly tell people like you to get away from him. Now that we have over 40000sects, those of you that will go to biblical hell will go their in thousands. undecided

Abuamam:
Well I guess that wraps it up... for people with no agenda.

But do you think they will notice your last quoted verse about Muslims BEING KEPT FAR OFF FROM IT, and THEY WILL NOT HEAR ITS FAINTEST SOUND?

Odds are they will develop a blind spot when they get to that part, and keep harping on English grammar in the first part.

Jazakum Allah khayran sha.

Empiree:
I beg to disagree with AbuuUsamah. Be careful brother. Op is a kufar. He's only looking for loopholes. The way to agree or disagree with hadith is through classifications. I dont care what Op think. Urine from Carmel was raised on another thread a while back which I answered. See there is wisdom in what prophet(SAAW) taught in as much as it's authentically narrated. For instance dying beard etc.

The issue of Urine was in fact proven to be true medically. It's irrelevant whether the kufar agreed with it or not. This is not to say drinking directly from Carmel bosom in our time is appropriate. Thats not the case since we now have aesthetics which did not exist back then. There are Muslim medical students that research on issue like this in USA. I kind of dealt with it a little on this back in March I think. A little bit of research (if you can) will put the op in permanent state of shut.

There is always wisdom behind every authentic statement of the prophet(SAW). We just dont know yet. I dont think this kufar self proclaimed truthman realized that there are animal products in the so called pills that he takes. Yes, many of them contain animal products like horse manure and pig urine etc.

Demmzy15:
Just see how Mr. Truthman2012 Lie-lieman2012 would humiliated and disgraced on his own thread. I just laugh at your folly, when you start presenting from the Bible now....

Lemme just calm down!

Rilwayne001:
Truthman2012



remove /rɪˈmuːv/
verb

1. take (something) away or off from the position occupied.

2. abolish or get rid of.

3. be distant from.

4. separated by a particular number of steps of descent.

noun
1. a degree of remoteness or separation.

2. a form or division in some British schools.


QURAN Surely (as for) those for whom the good has already gone forth from Us, they shall be kept far off from it; THEY WILL NOT HEAR ITS FAINTEST SOUND, and they shall abide in that which their souls long for.

I will address the rest of your posts tommorow inshaAllah.

kay1one2:
I knew mohammed was in hell with his followers! This confirms it!!!
Thank God I'm a Christian on my way to heaven!

AbuuUsaamah:
If you tell a student to obey his teacher, it is understood that the teacher's orders are only to be obeyed in his realm. A student does not have to obey his teacher if he is commanded outside that realm; a student doesn't have to obey his teacher if he commands him, for example, to eat a particular food when he returns home from school. That is not the teacher's realm!

Prophet Muhammad has explained to us what his realm is. He is not impeccable outside that realm; so if Allah says we should obey the Prophet, it is only logical that he mean 'inside the realm of Islamic teachings'. Anything he says outside that realm; I.e. mundane things (relating to Science, Medicine, Engineering, e.t.c.) can be investigated before obeying him. If it is correct, we obey, if not, we disobey.

Dmeji4444:
How come the urine of horse are injected to woman with menopause to boost their imune system

AbuuUsaamah:
Let it be known that there is difference between what the Qur'an says and what the Prophet says when it comes to worldly issues. Muhammad was a man like us; a mortal. He was not sent to us as a farmer or engineer or doctor. He was sent to us to teach us the religion of Islam. That is his main area of depth; and he is more or less confined to that.

If the Qur'an establishes a scientific fact, I can say hand on heart that you won't find it except absolutely correct. This is because it is the direct sayings of Allah, the All Knower, that are compiled in it; directly from Him, and He 'never' makes mistakes.

However, if the Prophet says something about the mundane world, he could be right and he could be wrong. Scholars of Islam agree on this. Even the prophet said this when he had once ordered that a male date and a female one be planted together, the people went to him and complained that the seed did not germinate, and he said: "You are more knowledgeable about the issues of this world [I.e,mundane issues, when not viewed from the Islamic perspective]"

I am not saying that the Prophet was wrong, but if he really was, the above is an explanation of the reason.

To those Christians who believe that Jesus Christ was GOD Almighty Himself,Jesus too made scientific blunders during his ministry. Please visit:The Scientific Absurdities in the Bible for great details. This is far worse to Christianity than it is to Islam, because while we do not consider Prophet Muhammad as the Creator of the Universe, but the polytheist trinitarian pagans do with Jesus Christ. Therefore, their entire polytheistic and paganistic faith would crumble into devastation when pointing out even an obvious and irrefutable single scientific blunder by Jesus Christ. This is indisputably true!

Ifeann:
Urine is waste flushed out of the body. I can't imagine the nasties animal urine contains. This is what mohammed advices people to drink. I wonder why Arab Muslims go to the "kaffir" hospitals and take western medicine while camel urine is abundant in their region.

truthman2012:
Rilwayne01



So you didn't read the disciples performing miracles. But you could read to criticize. Read the Book of Acts, you will see the disciples do what Muhammad could not do. allahh looked away from the miracles done by the disciples because he has no such power to give to Muhammad.



Yes, the quran says ALL muslims are first going to hell till the Resurrection Day when some will be removed to go to paradise. It is a lie. What qualifies you to go to hell first will make you remain there forever.

[Quran 3:185 Pickthal] Every soul will taste of death. And ye will be paid on the Day of Resurrection only that which ye have fairly earned. Whoso is removed from the Fire and is made to enter paradise, he indeed is triumphant. The life of this world is but comfort of illusion.

What is your comment on the bold?

This following hadith confirms the above verse:

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12 Number 770
Narated By Abu Huraira : The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He replied, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the full moon on a clear (not cloudy) night?" They replied, "No, O Allah's Apostle!" He said, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?" They replied in the negative. He said, "You will see Allah (your Lord) in the same way. On the Day of Resurrection, people will be gathered and He will order the people to follow what they used to worship. So some of them will follow the sun, some will follow the moon, and some will follow other deities; and only this nation (Muslims) will be left with its hypocrites. Allah will come to them and say, 'I am Your Lord.' They will say, 'We shall stay in this place till our Lord comes to us and when our Lord will come, we will recognize Him. Then Allah will come to them again and say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'You are our Lord.' Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a bridge) will be laid across Hell and I (Muhammad) shall be the first amongst the Apostles to cross it with my followers. Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and they will be saying then, 'O Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.'

There will be hooks like the thorns of Sa'dan in Hell. Have you seen the thorns of Sa'dan?" The people said, "Yes." He said, "These hooks will be like the thorns of Sa'dan but nobody except Allah knows their greatness in size and these will entangle the people according to their deeds; some of them will fall and stay in Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends mercy on whomever He likes amongst the people of Hell, He will order the angels to take out of Hell those who worshipped none but Him alone. The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of prostrations, for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. AT THAT TIME THEY WILL COME OUT OF THE FIRE as mere skeletons..............

If you still can give the above any other interpretations, it shows the level you have been islamically hypnotized. The truth remains that allahh has decreed that all muslims, including Muhammad will have a stopover in hell till the day of resurrection when some will be removed. Do you have mark of prostration? If not, you better rub your forehead harshly against the ground to have one, otherwise the angel will not remove you from hell.

Look at further confirmations from your quran:

[Quran 19:71-72 Shakir] And there is not one of you but shall come to it; this is an unavoidable decree of your Lord.
And We will deliver those who guarded (against evil), and We will leave the unjust therein on their knees.

All of you shall come to hell as a matter of allahh's decree, no changing. Then some who do good will be delivered and the rest left inside hell.

ANY OTHER QUOTE APART FROM THE ABOVE AMOUNTS TO CONTRADICTIONS!

Ifeann:
This is the same "prophet" that says camel piss is good for the health. I wonder why Muslims don't see mohammed for the fraud he is.

shahydbinaliyu:
#shaking my head# no wonder you a Christian.. so draft. . I corrected you from what you foolishly misunderstood and yet you said you show me the truth.... wayray re o

shahydbinaliyu:
sand ,stone or dust... using sand, rubbing your hands together turns it to dust, and its gonna be a very little dust.. understand now? olodo oshi

shahydbinaliyu:
is either you say amen or you apologize and ask for the truth about what you saying or you shutup. .

shahydbinaliyu:
if its a lie that you seen Muslims washing their private part with sand. . . May Almighty Allah let you suffer in life, grave and heaven. .

if you can say amen. . then I will believe its true you saying....

mustymatic:
Not necessarily sand
d anointing

Can you please cite one of them that performed miracle ?

First of all. Nobody has seen hell. Hell will be revealed on the day of judgement for everyone to see.

And on that Day hell will be brought [within sight]; on that Day man will remember [all that he did and failed to do]: but what will that remembrance avail him?

I don't know where you see yourself and other members of your dead family in hell. undecided

DOES THE QURAN SAY MUSLIM WILL FIRST GO INTO HELL BEFORE GOING INTO HEAVEN?

Rilwayne001:
Same old poo.



How can you be sure he that the person that introduced himself as jesus is truly jesus been the fact that he never recognized jesus?

Or is it that person in those images hanged in churches the biblical jesus?




PoC: He met someone that introduced himself as jesus.

Then, the question is, does he recognize jesus? how does he look like? don't you think satan can impersonate as him?

How is he so sure that he was in heaven? how does the heaven he saw look like? how come most of those who allegedly saw heaven often give contradictory account of what they allegedly saw?



The reason be that, satan is going around deceiving dream both in dream and real life, I have had dream that I saw someone who claimed to be him, I don't go about shouting because i believe it wasn't him. Satan might be playing with ones mind. I have dream that my late grandmother told me that she didn't die that she traveld to ghana and now she's back when actually she's truly dead in real life. Do I then conclude that It was my grandma that I truly saw in my dream.
Xtian are just too deluded.



Then we ask, if Jesus have been truly looking back at his sheep for the past 2000years, then, was he sleeping when his sheeps have scattered to over 40000different sects?

what have jesus done to this if truly he is looking at his sheeps?




All we need is what he brought, which is the quran and the sunnah. You can as well say Moses is not feeling confortable whereever he is because he isn't looking back at his sheep.

Rilwayne001:
Either way. Was jesus able to convince them with his miracle answer the question and stop feigning ignorance.



Including you. Catholics and many other sects said you are going to hell.

Jesus also said he will send you away from him, despite performing miracles with his name.

How?

Rilwayne001:
Was jesus able to convince the jew with his miracle?

Is miracle important in delivering the message of God?

Does performing miracle necessarily make one a prophet?

udatso:
You indeed sir are an ignorant fellow. This is what quran says about jesus (as)
“I have come to you with a sign from your Lord. I make for you the shape of a bird out of clay, I breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by God’s permission[b].I heal the blind from birth and the leper. And I bring the dead to life by God’s permission.[/b]And I tell you what you eat and what you store in your houses....”  (Quran, 3:49)

udatso:
You indeed sir are an ignorant fellow. This is what quran says about jesus (as)
“I have come to you with a sign from your Lord. I make for you the shape of a bird out of clay, I breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by God’s permission[b].I heal the blind from birth and the leper. And I bring the dead to life by God’s permission.[/b]And I tell you what you eat and what you store in your houses....”  (Quran, 3:49)

Empiree:
I don't think you should worry about Islamic Jesus since you don't believe in that one

Jesuses mentioned on the list are gleaned from your Bible. Stick to that.

udatso:
Hahaha. Funny enough he suddenly doesn't know jesus according to you. Can we say the same for this Muslim who saw jesus in heaven?
If I have never met Mr A before and suddenly I met him, how can I be sure it's him I met. ...... That's why Rilwayne001 has been asking you which jesus he met.? How does he look like?

shahydbinaliyu:
laughing... as long as Jesus beard