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IslamAllah Says Torah And Injeel Are Corrupted, Not The Bible by truthman2012(op): 6:06pm On May 07, 2015
Althouh the quran talks about oral alterations of Torah and Injeel, nowhere did he say anything about the Bible. The Bible is a collection of the Books of Prophets, some of them written by the prophets and some written from history passed down by the ancenstors. It is not the Torah written by allah and handed to muslim Moses nor Injeel written by allah and handed to muslim Jesus.

[Quran19:30 Shakir] He (Jesus) said: Surely I am a servant of Allah; He has given me the BOOK and made me a prophet;

That quranic verse shows the Injeel was written by allah himself and given to muslim Jesus. But the Gospel in the Bible were written by Jesus Disciples.

Besides, muslims on this forum have disagreed with the Bible being the Torah and Injeel the quran refers to.

Therefore, let it be known to the muslims worldwide that the Bible is not corrupted but allah's Torah and Injeel.
Christianity EtcRe: Popular Pastor In N10m Scandal by truthman2012(m): 4:41pm On May 07, 2015
whatis1god:
Popular Lagos Pastor Disappears With Member’s N10m
Nkem Ikeke, 7 hours ago

A popular pastor in Lagos identified as Timothy Gabriel has reportedly bolted with one of his church member’s N10million.

The church member (name withheld) had given the money to the pastor to pray over it before using it to start a business in Lagos.

The pastor resides at Jakande Estate, Ejigbo, where he also uses as his church.

According to PM News report, the victim with hopes of starting a new business had obtained the money as a loan from a bank with an interest.

It was learnt that before he went to get the loan from the bank, he had approached his pastor, who he regarded as his spiritual father. The pastor had informed him that he pray to God on his behalf so that the bank will give him the loan.

On getting the loan, he went to inform his spiritual father again. This time, the pastor asked him to bring the money, saying God revealed to him that the money was blood money and if he used it for the business he intended to use it for, it will be unsuccessful.


The pastor allegedly told him that he would anoint the money and pray over it for three days before he would be able to use for his new business.

The victim in obedience to his spiritual father took the money to him at his home at Jakande Estate which also serves as his church and was told to come back in three days’ time to collect the money.

On the third day, he returned to collect his money but met the shock of his life as the pastor had packed his property and fled with the money.

He then reported the matter to the police at Ejigbo.

Confirming the incident, police sources at the Ejigbo station said they are now on a manhunt for him.

Scandals have continued to rock the lives of some Nigerian pastors. Some have been accused of fraudulent activities while others have been accused of rape.

About a week ago, a 32-year-old pastor, Abel Benard Aniude of Trimphant Kings Assembly, Enugu, allegedly duped a 25-year-old woman, Ojiaku Chiamaka of N4 million.

Source:http://www.naij.com/433911-popular-lagos-pastor-disappears-with-members-n10m.html
Fake pastor!
IslamRe: Muhammad's Ally With Pagans And Jinn-devil (Birds Of The Same Feathers). by truthman2012(op): 4:38pm On May 07, 2015
EzioAuditore:
Nah! It's the schmuck the christians call the holy ghost that was responsible.
Trash!
IslamRe: Punishment For Adultery In Islam Is Not Stoning To Death by truthman2012(m):
Empiree:
ogbeni, if I were you I would be shamed. This thread it's not really about Christians but I do welcome your contributions. My point is you should be concerned about your scripture because it's mandated therein that penalty for adultery is stoning to death. So if you think you can make fun here you are definitely kidding. Your law stands. Base on my studies of this subject, I maintained that previous laws revealed to prophets Moses and that which Jesus also confirmed are abrogated by Quran. which means if you insist Christianity is the way, you must accept law and punishments established in your holy book. There is nothing in the bible to suggest that Jesus abrogated old laws. My point is I'm proud that Muslims somehow believe "stoning" is mandated in Islam and they are ready to implement it. We are ready to enforce what you Christians shamelessly abandoned. So don't cry foul if a Christian is caught in the act in Muslim and penalty of rajm- stoning is pronounced on the fellow. so I say we enforced your law not ours and am proud of it.
Islam is confusion and it is deliberately so by allahh. Quran stipulates flogging for adulterers and Muhammad went killing, a clear violation of allahh command, yet you cannot see anything wrong with that. Allah himself looked away from his prophet's usurping his power. Deception.

Where did you find death penalty for adulterers in Torah?

Have any of you seen Torah before?

Where did you read about Jesus not abrogating the old laws, do you believe what Jesus said in the bible?
Christianity EtcRe: The Christian Fraud!!! by truthman2012(m):
The OP is a reflection of the spirit of islam. An impossible mission to eradicate Christianity.

Did any pastor draw gun to force people to surrender their belongings like Muhammad was doing? Do they steal money?

What is your jeolosy about pastors' wealth. You don't see anything wrong in Tinubu, Fashola, Aregbesola stealing billions from public funds but pastors. Nonsense!

It is on records how Muhammad was robbing people of their valuables and to you it is normal.

You don't have the knowledge that it is God that gives power to make wealth.

Buhari cannot afford to toy with Christianity, without using weapons he will die like Abacha.
IslamRe: Punishment For Adultery In Islam Is Not Stoning To Death by truthman2012(m): 3:37pm On May 07, 2015
Abuamam:
Thank you for your contribution.

Don't forget to shut the door as you leave.
Why should I leave? If you don't want me to contribute you should have gone to your exclusive section na o!
IslamRe: Punishment For Adultery In Islam Is Not Stoning To Death by truthman2012(m): 3:10pm On May 07, 2015
Empiree:
"Stoning to death" for adultery is abrogated by Qur'an. It was old law prescribed for Moses and Jesus(AS). The new law is flogging which came down with prophet Muhammadﷺ
Sahih Muslim, Book 017, Number 4207:

Imran b. Husain reported that a
woman from Juhaina came to
Allah's Apostle (may peace be
upon him) and she had become
pregnant because of adultery. She
said: Allah's Apostle, I have done
something for which (prescribed
punishment) must be imposed
upon me, so impose that. Allah's
Apostle (may peace be upon him)
called her master and said: Treat
her well, and when she delivers
bring her to me. He did
accordingly. Then Allah's Apostle
(may peace be upon him)
pronounced judgment about her
and her clothes were tied around
her and then he commanded and
she was stoned to death. He then
prayed over her (dead body).
Thereupon Umar said to him:
Allah's Apostle, you offer prayer
for her, whereas she had
committed adultery! Thereupon he
said: She has made such a
repentance that if it were to be
divided among seventy men of
Medina, it would be enough. Have
you found any repentance better
than this that she sacr ficed her
life for Allah, the Majestic?

Quran prescribes flogging, Muhammad stoned people to death.
IslamRe: Muhammad's Ally With Pagans And Jinn-devil (Birds Of The Same Feathers). by truthman2012(op): 2:16pm On May 06, 2015
EzioAuditore:
Why yes of course. Do you really think anyone takes you seriously here? Truthman! You're a joke. The gold standard for stupidity. For me you're just a source of entertainment, whenever I feel bored I say to myself "let's see what the pillock, truthman has for me", and you never disappoint.
Smh!
IslamRe: Muhammad's Ally With Pagans And Jinn-devil (Birds Of The Same Feathers). by truthman2012(op): 2:15pm On May 06, 2015
Demmzy15:
/\ /\ losers have been refuted, they now resort to tribalism, ethnicity and racism. Smh! grin grin

Truthman2012, bring up your next shot, be ready to defend satanic verses in the Bible! grin grin
What has been refuted? Liar!

The hadith says Muhammad was praying with Muslims, Pagans and Jinns.

You lied that it was not pagans, but atheists. You made no sense at all. Do atheists believe in any god?

After your lie has been exposed, you then said I got the hadith from anti-islam site as if they write any hadiths. I gave you the islamic site and shut your trap.

Your brother, EzioAuditore came and told you that you are a liar for saying it was atheists, he said it was muslims despite the fact that the hadith says it was pagans.

Another of your muslim brother says, the two of you are lying and that it was truly pagans but when Muhammad thrilled them with satanic verses.

Unbelievably, EzioAuditore again said there is nothing called satanic verses. Arguments and disagreement among the muslim brotherhood.

Is that what you call refutals? Something must be wrong with your reasonings if you really mean so.
IslamRe: Without The Bible Quran Is Meaningless by truthman2012(op): 1:54pm On May 06, 2015
tayebest:
Hey, why are your ranting so much here?? Even if Bible preach so much about Muslims you won't still believe

Genesis 12:1-3
1 The LORD had said to Abram, "Leave your country, your people and your father's household and go to the land I will show you.
2 "I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."

The quote ”go to the land I will show you" is referring to the city of Paran (Mecca).

The quote "I will make you into a great nation" is quite interesting. How can GOD Almighty call the Muslims, who came from Ishmael, a "great nation" if they are as the modern Christians of today consider them to be "Satan's followers"? How can we be a "great nation" in the eyes of GOD Almighty if we are hated by Him?


The quote "I will bless those who bless you" perfectly fits the Muslims. As you probably know, we Muslims worship Allah Almighty by prostrating to Him.
Nonsense!

I wouldn't have answered you but you will think you are making a point.

In muslims search for legitimacy, they pick any biblical statement to mean either islam, Muhammad or Mecca. You guys don't feel secured without the bible.

Where was Abraham coming from and where was he going?

[Genesis 12:5]
He took his wife Sarai, his
nephew Lot, all the
possessions they had
accumulated and the people
they had acquired in HARRAN,
and they set out for the land
of CANAAN, and they arrived
there.

God told him to leave Harran and he left and settled in Canaan. Nowhere did he travel to Mecca to build Kaaba, allahh lied to you.

If Abraham truly built Kaaba, all bible prophets including Moses, Joshua, Isaac, Jacob and even Jesus would have visited there on pilgrimage. No biblical, historical and even islamic record that they did. Kaaba was built by Meccan idol worshipers for their 360 gods and allahh was the chief of them.
IslamRe: Muhammad's Ally With Pagans And Jinn-devil (Birds Of The Same Feathers). by truthman2012(op): 9:15am On May 06, 2015
EzioAuditore:
Silly truthman. Too naive to see when someone is merely playing games with you.
Oh! I see.

You are only playing games.
IslamRe: Allah Loves Pagans But Hates Jews And Christians by truthman2012(op): 9:09am On May 06, 2015
Demmzy15:
YOU AGAIN, for your mind you're doing evangelism!! I pity you gan!

*In Patience Jonathan's Voice* OK continue!
I have vowed to expose the FALSEHOOD of islam any time I have the opportunity. For muslims because they are the first victims of islam and for Christians so that they will not be drawn into islamic deception.
IslamRe: Muslims: How Did Allah Create Eve? by truthman2012(op): 8:54am On May 06, 2015
eshbeewanna:
{We created Man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape...} (Al-Hijr 15:26)

It also says what means:
{He began the creation of Man from clay, and made his progeny from a quintessence of fluid} (As-Sajdah 32:7-cool

{It is He Who created you from a single person, and made his mate of like nature, in order that he might dwell with her in love.} (Al-A`raf 7:189)


 The Quran confirms that Hawwa` was indeed created out of Adam

{O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord, Who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, His mate, and from them twain scattered [like seeds] countless men and women;—reverence God, through whom ye demand your mutual [rights], and [reverence] the wombs [that bore you]: for God ever watches over you.} (An-Nisaa’ 4:1)

Please can you show us where in the New Testament God mentioned EVE?or did he forget to mention both Eve and Adam?
Therefore how can we believe that it was inspired by God?
[1 Timothy 2:13]
For Adam was first formed,
then Eve.

Now point where Eve is so specifically mentioned in the quran.
IslamRe: Without The Bible Quran Is Meaningless by truthman2012(op): 8:11am On May 06, 2015
POPdecorator:
@op but u sure that quran was copied frm buybull if so show me this verse in buybull and explain this verses arcording to ur buybull

THE PRESERVATION OF PHARAOH'S BODY

We brought the tribe of Israel across the sea, and Pharaoh and his troops pursued them out of tyranny and enmity. Then, when he was on the point of drowning, he [Pharaoh] said: "I believe that there is no god but Him in Whom the tribe of Israel believes. I am one of the Muslims." (Qur'an, 10:90)
However, this last-minute conversion was not accepted, for it was not sincere. According to the Qur'an, Allah exclaimed:
"
What, now! When previously you rebelled and were one of the corrupters?Today we will preserve your body so you can be a Sign for people who come after you. Surely many people are heedless of Our Signs." (Qur'an, 10:91-92)
The information that Pharaoh's corpse would serve as a sign for later generations may be regarded as an indication that his body would not decay. On display in the Royal Mummies Chamber of the Egyptian Museum in Cairo is a mummified body believed to be that of this tyrant. In all likelihood, Pharaoh's body floated to shore after being drowned, was found and mummified by the Egyptians, and then carried to a previously prepared burial chamber.
What is special about quran talking of Pharaoh body being preserved? It has already happened before it talked about it. It is said to be in a museum. Ordinary humans knew about it.
IslamRe: Muhammad's Ally With Pagans And Jinn-devil (Birds Of The Same Feathers). by truthman2012(op): 8:06pm On May 05, 2015
EzioAuditore:
No such thing as the satanic verses.
You have come again.

The other time your brother said Muhammad didn't pray with pagans, but atheists, when the hadith says it is pagans.

You came later to say your brother in islam was wrong and that the people Muhammad prayed with were muslims.

This is another one of your brothers now saying they were pagans, who got thrilled by Muhammad's satanic verses. Here are you again saying he is wrong as there are no satanic verses. So much confusions in islam created by your deceitful allahh.
IslamRe: Without The Bible Quran Is Meaningless by truthman2012(op): 7:52pm On May 05, 2015
malvisguy212:
and this people will open there filty mouth and say the bible is corrupted. Unbelievable!!!

If only the muslims will read the quran and bible very well and see which book give details about abrahamic faith, muslims quote from the quran and say "perfected is the word" and it is the bible that is perfected the quran. I don't even think the quran made mention of ishmael mother.
Don't mind them.

The quran is sooo disjointed and lack sufficient information to reveal the true identity of allahh.
IslamRe: Without The Bible Quran Is Meaningless by truthman2012(op): 7:47pm On May 05, 2015
Abuamam:
Ok. We have gotten to our usual stage in which I explain and you deliberately play dumb and ask the same question in a hundred different ways.

I will give you one verse as 'reference'. Then I will unfollow this thread, because I know from experience that, once you get to this 'playing dumb' stage, it becomes a waste of time explaining to you...

Allah says...

""Allah! There is no god but He - the Living, The Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him Nor Sleep. His are all things In the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede In His presence except As he permitteth? He knoweth What (appeareth to His creatures As) Before or After or Behind them. Nor shall they encompass Aught of his knowledge Except as He willeth. HIS THRONE DOTH EXTEND OVER THE HEAVENS AND EARTH, and He feeleth No fatigue in guarding And preserving them, For He is the Most High. The Supreme (in glory).""
[Surah al-Baqarah 2: 255]

The capitalised part is an example. We know and affirm and believe that His Throne extends over the Heavens and Earth, as He stated. However, we do not speculate as to the material that the Throne is made of, or its shape or structure, or position; for that is hidden from us by Allah since we do not need such knowledge for our salvation. Some deviant groups however, go on to make analytical thesis on just such questions, and it is to such people that Allah refers as having deviation in their hearts. Such examples are many.

I hope you are clear now. Because this is the best I can do to make you understand.

Good day/ night.
You need to quickly run away o!

''HIS THRONE DOTH EXTEND OVER THE HEAVENS AND EARTH''

Is that what is soo spiritually hidden and ambiguos that only allahh knows the interpretation?

What is needed to be interpreted in that statement?

This is the the type of explanations you always give which you expect me to accept.

The other time you needed to give us the islamic source(s) where Moses, Joshua, Isaac, Jacob, Jesus etc visited Kaaba as the resort and sanctuary for ALL MANKIND as there is no such record in the bible and history. Up till now, you could not give the evidence. Would they not go to Kaaba if it was truly built by Abraham? Yet you expect me to accept any explanation you make. No.
IslamRe: Without The Bible Quran Is Meaningless by truthman2012(op): 6:40pm On May 05, 2015
Abuamam:
I capitalised the relevant part for you.
We are silent on others not given, like the nature of Allah's throne, the form of the angels, or the whereabouts of Heaven and Hell...etc; which Allah Alone knows, AND THE KNOWLEDGE OF WHICH; OR LACK THEREOF; NEITHER ADDS TO, NOR SUBTRACTS FROM, OUR HOPE OF SALVATION IN THE HEREAFTER.
Says who? No reference.

Where did allah give such description or narration, which only him alone knows the interpretation?

"It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding." Quran 3:7

No doubt, the verse is talking about interpretation of the whole quran.
IslamRe: Without The Bible Quran Is Meaningless by truthman2012(op): 6:08pm On May 05, 2015
afolag:
if am able to narrate the story of moses then what does that make me. His teachings is what is of value to muslims.He came to preach about the one and only true God who people should submit to. Telling pharaoh that thre is only 1 God, he came at the time when magic was the order of the day so he was given one... a staff he could turned to anything by Allah permission. To clearify that when at the sea quran made it known that he doesnt know what to do may be is in the bible too. That will tell you those prophets never do things by thier name. "pharoah was told of the prophecy he ordered the killing of male child, when he was born God sent a message to his mother to get a box and placed him, cutting a long story short he end up in the hse of pharoah raised as the son of the king but when he came with the message that there is one true God the whole issue change, magic was the paramount thing at the time so God gave him a staff to clear pples doubt.A stage was prepared where pharoah ordered for tge convergence of all the great wizards in the land, moses didnt know wat to do but a mesaage got to him to drop the staff, he won the contest yet pharaoh didnt believe until the red sea issue.May Allah forgive me whereever I go wrong quran i dont know about his death I never come across reference been made to it but I will ask, References are always made to the other books to give insight and this as helped us know more about the prophets and happenings before mohammed may Allah blessings be on all of them.
What was the message all about according to your religion?
In islam it was about the ONe true God.
First, the one true God you are emphasizing is not allah. The Jews talk about one true God, yet Muhammad was killing them. The Jews's one true God was who everybody knew before Muhammad. Note how long one true God had been dealing with the Jews prior to the coming of Muhammad and when he came, he declared war on them. Is the Jews' one true God and Muhammad's one true God the same? If yes, why was he killing them? You should now discover that Muhammad's problem was not one-God issue, his god was an enemy to the God of the Jews.

Besides, if you don't need to know about other prophets in details, why did your god mention them at all? Half knowledge is worse than ignorance.
IslamRe: Without The Bible Quran Is Meaningless by truthman2012(op): 5:57pm On May 05, 2015
Abuamam:
The proper interpretation is...

"It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding." Quran 3:7

The verse is trying to point out that there are verses that are precise... do not worship any deity other than Allah, do not drink alcohol or eat prohibited pork, do not gamble and avoid usury, spend of your wealth on the poor and the orphans and the wayfarers, enjoin truth and justice...etc. These are precise and clear, and no Muslim in his right mind will claim that gambling or pork is permitted in Islam, or that helping orphans or being just is prohibited.

On the other hand, there are verses that deviants use; giving them interpretations that suit their deviations... the way you yourself (along with BH and other xtian and Muslim extremists), arbitrarily quote the Quran out of context, or give literal meaning to a figure of speech, just to align it with your personal view of Islam. And on the Day of Judgement, Allah will judge between those deviants who seek to misinterprete any verse they can in servitude to their whims and desires, and those who say... it is all from Allah, and accept the interpretations narrated to us by the prophet (saw) from Allah if available. We are silent on others not given, like the nature of Allah's throne, the form of the angels, or the whereabouts of Heaven and Hell...etc; which Allah alone knows, and the knowledge of which; or lack thereof; neither adds to nor subtracts from, our hope of salvation in the hereafter.
Your explanations do not change the point am making.

''No one knows the true interpretation except allah''. If only allah knows the true interpretation, how is it useful for you?
IslamRe: Muhammad's Ally With Pagans And Jinn-devil (Birds Of The Same Feathers). by truthman2012(op): 5:25pm On May 05, 2015
eshbeewanna:
In fact you are nothing but a confused fellow and also an intellectual fraudster.where in the tread I posted did you see me agree to your Lies that muhammed prayed with the pegan in mecca?If you are not the one full of prejudice,was it not you that claimed that muahammed pray with the pegans?
I only replied you to refute your allegation on muhammed praying with the pegans by stating that when the muslims that were in abyssinia got news of the allegations they thought the pagans had become muslims,but were dissapointed to discover that the news was all but pack of lies when they came back to mecca from abyssinia.
So I ask you again did that show that he prayed with pegans in mecca?

This is your post''Muhammad prayed with Muslims and Pagans and Jinns''.
So I ask you again who is the Lier here?

Even the Quranic verse that you quoted did not show that he prayed with the Pegans in mecca.What a big SHAME on you!

This is your Quran Refrence,please show me where in the Verse that he prayed with the Meccan pagans?

Quran 53:19-23 Pickthal]
19. Have ye thought upon Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza
20. And Manat, the third, the other?
21. Are yours the males and His the females?
22. That indeed were an unfair division!
23. They are but names which ye have named, ye and your fathers, for which Allah hath revealed no warrant. They follow but a guess and that which (they) themselves desire. And now the guidance from their Lord hath come unto them.
LIERS SHALL NEVER PROSPER!GOD is waiting for you its only a matter of Time.
I didn't say Muhammad prayed with Muslims, Pagans and Jinns, Sahih Bukhari did.

You said pagans prayed with Muhammad after he received the satanic verse which encouraged them to do so. Isn't it?

This still means the pagans found it convenient to pray islamically. Isn't it? It shows there was something connecting them. Would the Christians have done that? I mean born again Christians, not Christians like Pope.
IslamRe: Without The Bible Quran Is Meaningless by truthman2012(op): 5:11pm On May 05, 2015
afolag:
rephrase yourself in a way that you really want to know more about quran, approach it with an open mind, am sure by then you will get the best.
Do you know the quran? Give details of Moses in it from his birth to his death and let's see.
IslamRe: Without The Bible Quran Is Meaningless by truthman2012(op): 5:09pm On May 05, 2015
Abuamam:
The point you keep forgetting/ omitting is that there are TWO sources of Islamic tenets. The Quran, and the HADITH... the weakest of which is stronger in authenticity than your entire O/N testaments. So keep that in mind when you want to know how Hauwa was born or Musa was called or Sulaiman was accused, or Isa was saved from an ignoble death (May Allah be pleased with them all).
The quran is so disjointed and scanty. It would talk about Moses in chapter 7 only to continue in chapter 28 mixing it with unrelated issues. No account of any events was given with perfect details it deserves.

Hadith? They are said to be words of Muhammad, written so many years after he had died. If the words of Muhammad are not in the quran, how do you want to put it there? My point is: allah didn't speak of any event in the quran with detail and accuracy to make people understand him.

No wonder it has hidden meanings not known to muslims:

[Quran 3:7] He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding

Why should the meaning be hidden from muslims if not to deceive them?
IslamRe: Allah Loves Pagans But Hates Jews And Christians by truthman2012(op): 4:42pm On May 05, 2015
[quote author=eshbeewanna post=33445377][/quote]I don't believe in all these stories of yours friend.

Abraham did not build Kaaba neither Ishmael. Quran says not prophet was sent to the Arabs before Muhammad. This shows Abraham and Ishmael as prophets were never in Mecca:

Quran 34:44 YusufAli] But We had not given them Books which they could study, nor sent messengers to them before thee as Warners.

Because there was no single messenger in Mecca, every religious structure and practice before Muhammad was paganism. Muhammad was only used to convert allahh, which was the chief of all of the 360 idols in Kaaba to the true God.

The quran and hadiths I quoted confirm that those practices in the OP are the customs of pagans, which Muhammad turned to islam.

If Kaaba was truly built by Abraham as the resort and sanctuary FOR ALL MANKIND as it is being claimed by muslims, why didn't Moses, Joshua, Isaac, Jacob Jesus visit there? No biblical, islamic or historical record that they did. Why?

The Temple in Jerusalem was known everywhere including the Arabs. Why was Kaaba not known in Israel where Abraham lived?

Islamic belief is from Yemen and not from Abraham. Abraham was from Israel, not from Yemen. Yemenites were known for idol worship and they had great influence on the Meccans:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, “The people of
Yemen have come to you and they
are more gentle and soft-hearted.
Belief is Yemenite and Wisdom is
Yemenite, while pride and
haughtiness are the qualities of
the owners of camels (i.e.
bedouins). Calmness and
solemnity are the characters of
the owners of sheep.”
~Saheeh Al-Bukhaari, Book of
Military Expeditions, Hadeeth No.
4070
IslamWithout The Bible Quran Is Meaningless by truthman2012(op): 3:54pm On May 05, 2015
Moses in the Quran

The following are the explanations of the quran given by an islamic cleric about Moses. He used the Bible account to narrate the Quran even though he didn't insert biblical quotes there, I did.. If you removed the bible account, the quranic quotes become meaningless.

Infancy

In line with the Judaic view, we find out from the Quran that when Prophet Moses (pbuh) was born in Egypt, his life was in great danger as the Pharoah was persecuting the Israelites.

Truly Pharaoh elated himself in the land and broke up its people into sections depressing a group among them: their sons he slew, but he kept alive their females: for he was indeed a maker of mischief. (Quran 28:4)

Where is “he was born in Egypt” in that quranic quote?

What caused Pharaoh to be elated and slew their sons?

Whose sons as no Israelites was mentioned in the quranic quote?

Therefore, Moses’s mother was greatly worried about her son’s fate; then, the Quran specifies that God inspired her to take an unlikely action:

So We sent this inspiration to the mother of Moses: “Suckle (thy child) but when thou hast fears about him cast him, into the river, but fear not nor grieve: for We shall restore him to thee, and We shall make him one of Our messengers.” (Quran 28:7)

Moses’s sister hid and kept watch on the progress of her brother across the river. While the Torah maintains that the Pharoah’s daughter adopted Moses, the Quran differs. In fact, the Pharoah’s wife insisted that they adopt him (Exodus 2:2-4).

The wife of Pharaoh said: “(Here is) a joy of the eye for me and for thee: slay him not. It may be that he will be of use to us, or we may adopt him as a son.” And they perceived not (what they were doing)! (Quran 28:9)

Where is it stated in that quote that Moses’s sister hid and kept watch on the progress of her brother across the river in that quranic quote?

When Moses (pbuh) was hungry, he refused to nurse from any of the foster mothers provided for him. At this point, Moses’s sister posing as a bystander suggested she could bring someone who may be successful in feeding him; unbeknownst to his rescuers, she brought his own mother, a point mentioned in Exodus of the Torah as well. Of course, Moses readily nursed from her and the two were thus rejoined (Exodus 2:7-cool.

Thus did We restore him to his mother that her eye might be comforted, that she might not grieve and that she might know that the promise of Allah is true: but most of them do not understand. (Quran 28:13)

How was he restored, does that verse give the above narration?


Adulthood

Moses grew up in Pharoah’s home and was well-acquainted with the state affairs. When he reached adulthood, he once intervened in a fight between an Israelite and an Egyptian, killing the latter inadvertently. The Quran mentions that guilt consumed him and he asked God to forgive him; fearing for his life, he fled and migrated to Madian, where he found refuge in a household by marrying one of the daughters and serving her father (Exodus 2:10-11).

After some time, Moses returned to Egypt with his family. On the way, near Mount Tur, he saw a fire, and he proceeded towards it.

But when he came to the (Fire), a voice was heard from the right bank of the valley, from a tree in hallowed ground: “O Moses! Verily I am Allah the Lord of the Worlds…” (Quran 28:30)

How does that verse give the above biblical narration?

Where was he going and what was he doing before he came to the Fire?

Moses showed his unwavering faith in God when he led his followers to the Red Sea – Pharoah’s army was behind them, and the open sea in front (Exodus 14:21-28):

And when the two bodies saw each other, the people of Moses said: “We are sure to be overtaken.” (Moses) said: “By no means! My Lord is with me! Soon will He guide me!” Then We told Moses by inspiration: “Strike the sea with thy rod.” So it divided, and each separate part became like the huge, firm mass of a mountain. And We made the other party approach thither. We delivered Moses and all who were with him; but We drowned the others. Verily in this is a Sign: but most of them do not believe. And verily thy Lord is He, the Exalted in Might, Most Merciful. (Quran 26:61-68)

What was the preceding events that took place before the Istraelites were permitted by Pharaoh to leave Egypt?

In the Quran, God says that He spoke directly to Moses, but when he requested to see Him, God cast His reflected glory over a mountain and it turned to dust, causing Moses to faint (7:143). Over a period of forty nights, God revealed religious knowledge to Moses and chose him to continue to lead his people.

And We ordained laws for him in the Tablets in all matters, both commanding and explaining all things (and said): “Take these and hold these with firmness, and enjoin thy people to hold fast by the best in the precepts.” (Quran 7:145)

Moses was given Laws in Chapter 7 but was born in Chapter 28. Meaning he was given the Laws before he was born.

Chronological arrangement of the quran is terrible and it is believed to be deliberately so to mislead mankind.

Where was he given the Laws?

http://www.whyislam.org/submission/the-holy-quran/story-of-moses-in-the-quran/
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mustymatic:
How about the hadith u quoted? Hadiths r sayings of d prophet u kno
What is the name allahh gave to her in the quran? There is the possibility that Muhammad heard that from the Jews and Christians.
IslamRe: Muslims: How Did Allah Create Eve? by truthman2012(op): 12:31pm On May 05, 2015
tartar9:
first of all,which language was she named with was it in Arabic,Hebrew,French…or even Yoruba huh
Which name did allahh give her in the quran?
Christianity EtcRe: General Election Shows That ALLAH Is Greater Than Xtian Gods by truthman2012(m): 12:26pm On May 05, 2015
johnydon22:
Bro you really are getting over aggressive about this allah and islam thing... please calm down, its not a fight.
There is a meeting point for muslims and atheists. The spirit that is responsible for atheists not believing in God is the one that is also responsible for muslims believing in false god.
IslamRe: Muslims: How Did Allah Create Eve? by truthman2012(op): 12:18pm On May 05, 2015
mustymatic:
Surah As-Saff, Verse 6:
And [this happened, too,] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O children of Israel! Behold, I am an apostle of God unto you, [sent] to confirm the truth of whatever there still remains of the Torah, and to give [you] the glad tiding of an apostle who shall come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he [whose coming Jesus had foretold] came unto them with all evidence of the truth, they said: "This [alleged message of his] is [nothing but] spellbinding eloquence!"
Where did Jesus foretell Ahmad?

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