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RoyPCain:
i will give you a link of the latter day saints in salt lake city utah and see how you like it as what christianity stands for. i am preparing for jumu'ah and i don't have your time until after it.

So, no explanation on allahh's contradicting himself by saying Muhammad shouldn't marry a married woman and still enjoining him to marry Zynab who was already married to his adopted son? allahh is satan indeed. Keep worshiping allahh, satan in disguise and by the time you die, you will find yourself in hell with allahh himself. I pity you.

RoyPCain:
@truthman2012: i accept the many wives as more than 1 is in the category of many. of course we are in the religion/pattern of our father Ibrahim [AS]. now show me the 'temporary wife' part because i don't see it and i can read arab which you can't. i can read english which i do and speak all day long, almost, until i call nigeria or fraternize nairaland.

I have given you a link to where the meaning of quran 4:24 is explained in detail. I'm not surprised you denied it as usual.

[Quran 4:24] And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise.

I notice that you kept being silent on this:

Can't you see that allahh is deceptive and inconsistent? He said married women are forbidden for muhammad to marry, yet enjoined him to marry Zynab, a married woman, the wife of his adopted son. As at the time allahh spoke, she was not yet divorced. Zaid divorced Zynab for Muhammad to marry. Isn't it? If not, explain the circumstances of the case and support your claim with evidence.

Please let your explanation be plain and understandable. Everybody complains he/she doesn't get your style of writing.

More on temporary marriage:

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3748/uk-islamic-temporary-marriages

RoyPCain:
ttuthman2012 is directing me to website of the group that hates the well known companions [RA] of the Prophet [SA]. is that what i should accept especially when neither the prophet [SA] now the companions, including Ali Bin AbiTalib [RA to each] didn't do any muta at anytime?

what if i introduce you to JW website as whatever is in there as what christianity stands for; and the website says Jesus is human prophet and not God. will that be okay with you? if you accept the fact, it is a good thing compared to you asking me to agree that muta that is preIslamic and was clearly abolished before Riba was as something Islamic. this your position is unfair and it is clearly from the devil. heck. he is you spiritual father, a lair and murderer from the start.

i have never seen any woman with all her normal human conscience that will go for muta. i have not seen a male that will allow his female relative to go into muta if he has any man jealousy and he is not evil and or sick. no man will go for muta instead of true marriage if he truly desires the woman and he is a real man. each of these evils and more is what Islam of Muhammad [SA] was raised to eradicate and perfect the good quality, cleaning the heart and allowing the best of mankind to shine in piety to God Who deserves worship.

Allah says in Quran 4:24 that he permits Muhammad and muslims to sleep with many wives, slaves and temporary wife. You are claiming to be holier than your god. Muslims deny allahh when they find his word unacceptable and cannot morally justify it. Why are you still a muslim as you can see that islam is an example of s.exual immorality and violence? The whole world could not sleep with their eyes closed because of islam.

Islamic allahh is not supposed to be difficult to detect as a false god. I think the problem of the muslims is that they are spiritually bound, they are incapable of rejecting falsehood even when it so clear. Roypcain, I pray the true God will remove the scale in your eyes.

gatiano:
Abeg. I didn't agree to anything of such with you or anybody. The words are clears in all the books, it is to you how you want to interprete them to your taste. Do you dude, do you.

You do not agree with the quran? Well, it is not surprising. It is so many muslims that do not agree with their quran, they pick only what please them inside it. The same thing Muhammad was doing, breaking the revelations he claimed he received. What a religion.

gatiano:
Which Jesus are you talking about? The True one who is a Muslim or The one introduced to you by the devils?

You have now agreed temporary marriage (prostitution) is the institution of allahh, a corrupt god. Good of you.

If Jesus was a muslim, why did the injeel given to him didn't get to Arabia, where allahh falsely claims Abrahamm had established islam?

If Jesus was a muslim, why didn't he visit Kaaba, which allahh falsely claims was built by Abraham as the house of God for ALL MANKIND?

Wanting to eradicate Christianity from the time of Muhammad till now (about 1,400 years ago) and have not succeeded shows allahh is a weak god. How long would take him to achieve his aim?

gatiano:
Don't mind these people, They are all just hypocrites, They love to point at other without checking out themselves. However, i don't support the hadith. We Muslims do not have any hand in its making.

Your lie has been exposed. Where did you see hadith in my post on temporary marriage? I quoted the quran. If it were hadith, that is how you would have denied it.

Islam is full of confusions, a deliberate attempt by allahh to deceive mankind. You believe some hadiths are incorrect and still accept as correct writing by the same author. If Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Dawod etc are liars because their writings are fabrications, why do you believe the same liars when they write good things about Muhammad or islam?

I want to sincerely advise you to desist from falsehood and embrace Jesus Christ, the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE (John 14:6).

galadima77:
mumu

You need deliverance before you can understand.

RoyPCain:
@truthman2012; Quran 4/24

please show me where temporary marriage or prostitution is permitted in 4/20, considering that prostitution is an unlawful sexual intercourse and temporary marriage is no better because every [good] action id judged by [good] intention that makes the doer embank to do it. a person who says to a woman i will divorce you on such time and here is so much i will give you, such a woman agreeing to this is just as guilty and both are in unlawful sexual act since divorce is not always planned ahead of marriage contract and it is also something frowned upon.

[Quran 4:24 Shakir] And all married women except those whom your right hands possess (this is) Allah's ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage not committing fornication. Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed; surely Allah is Knowing, Wise.

Firstly, can't you see allah is deceptive and inconsistent? He said married women are forbidden for muhammad to marry, yet enjoined him to marry Zynab, the wife of his adopted son. Was Zynab not a married woman? As the time allahh spoke, she was not yet divorced. Did you ever ask yourself: Why did Zaid have to divorce Zynab? If you know, tell me and support your claim with evidence.

For temporary wife, I'm happy you accept it is worse than prostitution. The above verse says ''.....and lawful for you are (all women) beside those (i.e beside married wowen and slaves) provided you seek them with your property taking them in marriage
not committing fornication. That is the temporary wife. You have to pay me for teaching you quran.

Islam is morally bankcrupt, I tell you the truth.

For further explanation on temporary marriage see:

http://www.al-islam.org/muta-temporary-marriage-in-islamic-law-sachiko-murata/four-pillars-muta

galadima77:
U even try. memo don't see any point that the lie is trying to prove

The proofs are:

- Jesus is alive and still visits us. Muhammad is dead and his bones remain in the grave.

- Only Jesus is the WAY to heaven, islam is satanic deception.

tartar9:
it said prevail,where's the eradicate there
"And most of mankind will not believe, even if
you (O Muhammad) desire it eagerly" (Qur'an
Yusuf 103);

[Bukhari 59:643] "Testify that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah, or else I will chop off your neck!"

[Quran 61:9 Pickthal] He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, that He may make it CONQUEROR of all religion however much idolaters may be averse.

What does it mean to conquer?

Qur'an (2:193) - "And fight them until persecution is no more, AND RELIGION BE ONLY FOR ALLAH. But if they desist, then LET THERE BE NO HOSTILITY except against wrong-doers.

Bukhari (8:387) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: [b]'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' [/b]And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah

Stop lying and twisting!!!

xpensivethony:
Islam a religion of piss is the worst tin to happen to mankind.

Ironically, allahh says Muhammad is a mercy to the world:

[Quran 21:107] And We have not sent you but as a mercy to the worlds.

Blakjewelry:
Many times I wonder why people will just cooked up some silly stories just to prove a point

Trash! Smh!

[Quran 9:33 Shakir] He it is Who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail over all religions, though the polytheists may be averse.

[Quran 61:9 Shakir] He it is Who sent His Messenger with the guidance and the true religion, that He may make it overcome the religions, all of them, though the polytheists may be averse.

Islamic terrorists worldwide go into churches, capture worshipers and execute them in fulfilment of allahh's
injunctions as above.

allahh's efforts will continue to be fruitless as nobody, no spirit can prevail over the church of Christ.


And I say also unto thee,
That thou art Peter, and
upon this rock I will build my
church; and the gates of hell
shall not prevail against it (Mat. 16:.

Blakjewelry:
How am I sure it's not the devil he saw

It doesn't matter whether or not you are sure, as long as the testifier is sure, God be praised.

"I saw a person right in front of me, and his face was right where my face was. I could see his whole body. Gradually he opened
his eyes, and they were like two little suns. They got brighter and brighter and started shining on my face."

http://www1.cbn.com/700club/azar-muslim-finds-way-heaven

Jesus is alive and he still visits his own. Other prophets died and their bones remain in the grave.

Abuamam:
Evangelicals are psycho.

Do you doubt Muhammad in hell? The quran says so na!

[Quran 3:185] Every soul will taste of death. And ye will be paid on the Day of Resurrection only that which ye have fairly earned. WHOSO IS REMOVED FROM THE FIRE and is made to enter paradise, he indeed is triumphant. The life of this world is but comfort of illusion

He is inside fire waiting to be removed on the Day of Resurrection. I pity the muslims, what makes you to be in hell fire qualifies you to be there forever. Nobody gets inside hellfire and comes out. Everything in islam qualifies muslims to go to hell.

Abuamam:
Undiluted rubbish. The bible said so does not mean that God said so. The bible is a fabricated admixture of fables and fabrications that has no basis in any authentic authorship. You believe in it does not make it true. Go and teach your pastors and cattle rearers and men of mammon the verses about divorce in your bible, before you come and hold us to your nonsense standards set by Paul the liar and his cohorts. Islam has a complete blueprint for righteous daily living. Ws do not need your fabricated man-made theories and Satanic inspirations disguised as holy spirit 'visions'.

It seems that the standard technique is to state some shallow and ignorant postulation, commensurate with your level of IQ, ignore all corrections, then claim you have proven your postulation. Classic example of "he who knows not, and knows not that he knows not...".
You should go learn the use of logic and reason, before you post on social fora. This is not a church where you are expected to leave your senses at home, before attending.

Every command of allahh is against the will of Yahweh, therefore allahh is equal to satan.

Why didn't you cover the whole post in your response. What do you have to say to allahh punishing adulterers without mercy and he is the one who causes them to commit adultery?

EzioAuditore:
Truthman you've been backed into a corner here, all you're saying is gibberish.

1- the first verse speaks about language. Now islam started from Arabia right? What language did you want Muhammad to speak to Arabians with? English? That's why the verse is about understanding, once the foundation was laid in Arabia, it then started to spread around the world.
What's your point? The verse did mention the Quran is like a deafness in your ears.

2- The second verse speaks about how a messenger from among the unlettered ones, did it say it was exclusive to them? What's your point here?

(I have been given five things which were not given to any Prophet before me, and I do not say it out of pride. I was sent to all mankind (their) black and white alike. Allah made me victorious by fright, (by His frightening my enemies) for a distance of one month's journey. The spoils of war are lawful for me, yet it was not lawful for anyone else before me. The earth has been made for me (and for my followers) a place for praying and a thing to perform purification with. I have been given the Shafa'ah (right of intercession), and I saved it for my Ummah on the Day of Resurrection. Therefore, the Shafa'ah will reach those who associate none with Allah in worship.) This Hadith's chain of narration is suitable, but the Two Sahihs did not record it.

The Quran:
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YUSUFALI: We have not sent thee but as a universal (Messenger) to men, giving them glad tidings, and warning them (against sin), but most men understand not.

PICKTHAL: And We have not sent thee (O Muhammad) save as a bringer of good tidings and a warner unto all mankind; but most of mankind know not.


"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other. Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well-acquainted. (The Noble Quran, 49:13)"

"Those who reject Faith, and die rejecting,- on them is God's curse,and the curse of angels, and of all mankind; (The Noble Quran, 2:161)"

"It is He Who has Created you [humans]; and of you [humans] are some that are unbelievers, and some that are believers: And Allah sees well all that ye do. He has created the heavens and the earth in just portions, and has given you [humans] shape, and made your shapes beautiful: and to Him is the final Goal. He knows what is in the heavens and on earth; and He knows what ye conceal and what ye reveal: Allah Knows well the (secrets) of (all) hearts. (The Noble Quran, 64:2-4)"

"Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day; in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of mankind; in the rain which God Sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they Trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth;- (Here) indeed are Signs for a people that are wise. (The Noble Quran, 2:164)"

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YUSUFALI: Blessed is He who sent down the criterion to His servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures;-

PICKTHAL: Blessed is He Who hath revealed unto His slave the Criterion (of right and wrong), that he may be a warner to the peoples.

If God were to punish men according to what they deserve. He would not leave on the back of the (earth) a single living creature: but He gives them respite for a stated Term: when their Term expires, verily God has in His sight all His Servants. (The Noble Quran, 35:45)"

"O ye Children of Adam! Let not Satan seduce you, in the same manner as He got your parents out of the Garden, stripping them of their raiment, to expose their shame: for he and his tribe watch you from a position where ye cannot see them: We made the evil ones friends (only) to those without faith. (The Noble Quran, 7:27)"

"O Children of Adam! wear your beautiful apparel at every time and place of prayer: eat and drink: But waste not by excess, for God loveth not the wasters. (The Noble Quran, 7:31)"

And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: 'O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of God (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of an Apostle to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.' But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, 'this is evident sorcery!' (The Noble Quran, 61:6)"

Trash!

I wonder how you reason. allah says if he had not revealed the quran in Arabic, they would have been justified for complaining that they didn't understand the book. Common sense dictates that allah purposely revealed the quran to the Arabs in Arabic for them to understand it. So simple.

As I said before, it is a waste of time still talking to you. Your reasoning is childish.

RoyPCain:
@truthman2012;

we can conclude that you are contrasting Yahweh and Allah in reality based on the Laws they gave to their prophets and the consequences of breaking any of it. you have indicated here that Yahweh is strict and will not overlook any sin and sinner must be punished, equally and God is fair when He punishes and there is no forgiveness and the punishment when it is a prophet that sinned is a must.

so, i am gonna suggest that if Yahweh didn't punish anyone here on earth, He will do so at Judgment. anyone punished here on earth will not be punished again. or will continued to be punished in Hell. those sinners not punished here is not because they were forgiven, but will be punished in Hell along with those who died on earth under punishment. is it fair to say the above is what you mean so that i can now provide proofs against you from your bible? you may clarify specificity of each; the sinner not punished. the sinner punished. the sinner that died while being punished. i believe that there is no forgiveness in the ways of the jews and christians based on your writing or are just writing for the christians using Yahweh instead of Jehovah and i can't use Allah because you think Yahweh is Jehovah and neither of them is Allah.


if ifeann who is my favorite christian crusader were to ask me for my phone, i will give it to her privately and i will not hold my breathe that she will call the next minute. i realize that poland or finland is a tough destination. when i asked you for your phone, real man would at least know that this dude will not be in front of him through the phone, so i am at least in safety. this is how people think. even a woman trust man that much. for you to reject it when i will be making the long distance call to you is surprising. my reason was that i want to hear you to be able to access how seasoned your voice is. while people can look younger they actually are, the cat out of the bag is the voice. no old person has younger voice relative to the voice of a younger person.

I repeat, the true God does not tolerate diobedience. Allah has double standard. He says there is no mercy for the adulterers yet permits adultery.

[Quran 24:2]“The woman
and the man guilty of unlawful
sex (adultery or fornication),
flog each of them with a
hundred stripes; LET NOT
COMPASSION MOVE YOU IN THEIR
CASE in a matter prescribed by
Allah if ye believe in Allah and
the Last day; and let a party of
the believers witness their
punishment”.

Allah says there should be no COMPASSION for adulterers, which he causes them to commit. What a wicked god.

Abu Huraira reported
Allah's Apostle (may peace
be upon him) as saying:
Verily Allah has fixed the
very portion of adultery
which a man will indulge
in, and which he of
necessity must commit .
The adultery of the eye is
the lustful look, and the
adultery of the tongue is
the licentious speech, the
heart desires and yearns,
which the parts may or
may not put into effect.
(Sahih Muslim , Book 033,
Number 6421 , see also
Number 6422)

The same Allah say muslims could have temporary wives (Quran 4:24). That is, paying a woman to sleep with her. Prostitution.

The true God says, whoever marries a divorced woman has committed adultery:

But I say to you
that everyone who divorces
his wife, except on the
ground of sexual
immorality, makes her
commit adultery. And
whoever marries a divorced
woman commits adultery.
(Matthew 5:31-32).

But it was allah himself who enjoined Muhammad to marry a divorced woman:

When thou saidst to him
whom God had blessed and
thou hadst favoured, 'Keep
thy wife to thyself, and
fear God,' and thou wast
CONCEALING WITHIN
THYSELF what God should
reveal, FEARING OTHER
MEN; and God has better
right for thee to fear Him.
So when Zaid had
accomplished what he
would of her, THEN WE
GAVE HER IN MARRIAGE
TO THEE, so that there
should not be any fault in
the believers, touching the
wives of their adopted sons,
when they have
accomplished what they
would of them; and God's
commandment must be
performed. [Quran 33:37].

Going by their statements, one needs no teacher to know that islamic allah and Yahweh are not the same Being.

udatso:
you forgot to add night of ramadan


you equally missed the bold part in your explanation..Stop trying too hard to play smart. as for the verse you quoted above


what did he do?


kindly tell us from this hadith where he had sex with her?


was he asked not to kiss and embrace his wife.? whats your proof?


and so?


whats your point here?


oh really? lets find out


please allow the quran to speak.....stop putting your own words


(2:222) They ask you about menstruation. Say: “It is a state of impurity; so keep away from women in the state of menstruation, and do not approach them until they are cleansed. And when they are cleansed, then come to them as Allah has commanded you.” Truly, Allah loves those who abstain from evil and keep themselves pure.
Thabit narrated it from Anas: Among the Jews, when a woman menstruated, they did not dine with her, nor did they live with them in their houses; so the Companions of the Apostle (may peace be upon him) asked The Apostle (may peace be upon him), and Allah, the Exalted revealed:" And they ask you about menstruation; say it is a pollution, so keep away from woman during menstruation" to the end. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Do everything except intercourse.

(Muslim :: Book 3 : Hadith 592)


am glad we both agree on this


so eager to examine what you have to say


are you saying its wrong for a husband to have a bathe with his wife? whats your point here exactly? f.ondle? is it equal to intercourse. let me help you with the meaning of the word

verb (used with object), fondled, handling.
1.
to handle or touch lovingly, affectionately, or tenderly; caress:
to handle a precious object; to handle a child.
2.
Obsolete. to treat with fond indulgence.
verb (used without object), fondled, handling.
3.
to show fondness, as by manner, words, or caresses.
could you please provide your dictionary where f.ondle means c.opulate


i ask again, please point out a line in that hadith that portrays sexual intercourse


approach here means sex as i have earlier explained

oh really? show us where he did?

This is the weakest defence ever. Trash! Meaningless!!

EzioAuditore:
You asked if that verse was in that passage of the bible or if it was corrupted as well I told you I didn't know! I can't be sure, because I don't trust Paul! It's still the same topic! Moses spoke of Muhammad because Muhammad is a prophet that was sent to all mankind, not just Arabia. I don't lie, if anything I say here comes to you as a lie then it's because it's a different version from what your religion preaches because your religion is full of lies! You may choose to ignore the truth, but that won't stop me from telling it.

It is a lie, Muhammad was sent to illiterate Arabs alone by allahh. Illiterate people who are gullible because they have no knowledge of the true God:

[Quran 41:44 Yusuf Ali] Had We sent this as a Qur'an (in the language) other than Arabic, they would have said: "Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in Arabic and (a Messenger an Arab?" Say: "It is a Guide and a Healing to those who believe; and for those who believe not, there is a deafness in their ears, and it is blindness in their (eyes): They are (as it were) being called from a place far distant!"

[Quran 62:2] He it is Who hath sent among
the unlettered ones a
messenger of their own, to
recite unto them His revelations
and to make them grow, and to
teach them the Scripture and
Wisdom enough herefore they
were indeed in error manifest.

Anything apart from those verses is CONTRADICTION.

How could Moses speak to the Israelites about an Arab prophet? What was their concern with the Arabs?

Abuamam

Your own opinion. You are entitled to hold it.

It is not my own opinion alone. Islam is hated by peaceful and reasonable people all over the world. Are you current with foreign news? Just yesterday, the Ethiopians came out in their number protesting against islam for the unjust killing of their people by islamic terrorists. The same kind of protest happened in France recently, where the whole world was represented. Islam should be a concern to all that are not in spiritual bondage.

No, the interpretation you gave them are your own words. Find me any scholar of Islam or tafseer that understands those verses the way you implied. Tell me, do you speak Arabic? What do you know about the meaning of a word in a language you do not even understand

Give your own interpretations and let's see. I don't need to speak Arabic before I know the content of quran or hadiths as they have been interpreted by those who know it.

As for your childish challenge on quoting each dumb paragraph, sorry, but I am not going to waste my time. Your whole postulation is based on the misinterpretation of the verses on sexual intercourse during fasting and during menstruation. Or giving outlandish and dishonest 'shock' commentary on your own; like

Don't dodge. You are not speaking to me alone but all that are reading the post.

Allah says muslims should not approach menstruating women, not necessarily to have intercourse. Approach means to come near. Keep away from menstruating women: They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say:They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, [/b]and do not approach them until they are clean. But when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by Allah. For Allah loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean.
Qur'an 2:222

The fact is that every Muslim; no matter how 'nominal'; knows that the prohibition during fasting is on deliberate seminal emission, so if one can control his desires, there is no harm in kissing or hugging one's wife. The prohibition during the menstrual period is on vaginal sexual intercourse. No harm in any other form of sexual play, except what is inherently forbidden... like anal intercourse.

Not necessarily emission, Allah says[b] "Keep away" and don't approach. I don't blame you muslims, anybody can interpret quran as he/she wants and does as pleases him/her. The same thing Muhammad did that is in question now.

BTW, Quran 2:222 does not refer to menstruation as a pollution.

[Quran 2:222 YusufAli] They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean. But when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by Allah. For Allah loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean.

RoyPCain:
@truthman2012; are you sending your phone or what or do you wish that i give you my number and call me? you need to make up your mind. if you want me to send you my phone, give me your email and i am 5 hours behind your local time.


sexual immorality will include all kind of sexual acts and decisions that God does not permit. obviously to remain single for life will be immoral in the generic sense because it will not help to keep mankind on earth if all were to do so. but God restricts at least 1 man [John the son of Zacharias [AS to father and son] from marrying. hence his case was special as what commanded him to be was bachelor for life. there is wisdom in John not being a married man; in the Quran he was told to hold on to the Book [Book of Moses without any doubt along whatever else] with great strength/power/firmly [quwah]. many prophets common to the jews, christians and muslims were men of many wives. Abraham [AS] was a Personal Friend of God Who saw him married to more than Sarah all the time from the time of the marriage of Hagah. I am certain no one of you will be foolish enough to say with assurance that God deprived Abraham any of His Mercy or Blessing because of this or will be punished for it. How about Jacob [AS] beloved to Yahweh he wrestled and defeated/overcame along with all mankind, resulting to blessing him with a title that became his name; Israel [soldier of God]. Moses [AS] who you claim say the back of Yahweh [i wonder if you ever considered what the color and material that covered the back you said Moses saw or was it stack unclothedness?]. David [A] whose psalm you use to prevent evil from you since gospel can't serve that purpose if you reflect deeply about it and in spite of your claiming that he snatched wife of his military officer, killing him in the process, Yahweh gave him the wisest man in your bible as a son. this wise man [AS] was a king too, like his father David and he had 300 concubines along with the 700 wives. it is the temple of Solomon the jews world over along with the zionist christians [pastor hagee, robertson to name a few] want re-established to usher in your human God returning.



in short, you have became blind because of your immoral heart that see good and call it evil will you do not call what is of the same classification evil just because you already picketed your enemy.


the first contact with Jibril [AS] he was living with the wet nurse and you need to realize that no one that you admire anywhere operates on a better moral compass. i am sure if 1 wife for the husband is the norm, it has to be clearly commanded by God and no prophet will marry more than 1 wife or be unmarried at all. the one Jibril [AS] appeared to is in the same group as the ones Gabriel appeared to or helped in time of need, strengthening any that need strength to go on. it i clear that the true God is One and He is Unseen. those seen and or more than 1 are fale Gods. you sir, mr. truthman2012 have created a God for yourself because of your desire.


i doubt if you ever were married. seriously. or you lack affection. my sympathy to the mrs, if you have any. she missed the joy of romance. i put my head wherever i wish as long as it is not against the commandment of God. i sleep body against body always. she has to know that i am there for her. God i guess you are one of these men whose wives sleep in different room until its time for intercourse. if this is the christians 2 flesh becoming 1, Alhamdulillah i am a muslim sharing bed with my wife, and it is not because we must have sex. never have i left my bed when i am fasting. you people lack passion. what is the highest morality is that ypu did not make your wife an outcast during her menses in spite of your fasting which simply command no sex and not no getting close to her.


no step son is actually your son. yet step son has blood relationship with one of the 2 spouses while the adopted son has no blood relationship. how is it immoral and what is the possibility of having offspring that is deformed because of 2 bloods that are from the same gene pool, if your adopted son married your niece or your daughter? compare that to your real son marrying the the full sister of your adopted son or your wife's daughter from a previous marriage or your own daughter. which one do you think is abominable? if your son can marry the full sister of your adopted on without anyone saying it i abomination, your adopted son can marry your daughter and if he were to marry his own full sister, people will say it is forbidden and in the west, people get arrested and prosecuted for it. blood relationship trumps artificial relationship of family by adoption. even the west have better morals than you in this case of your 'thinking'.


who is the Quran personified except the prophet [SA] who lived the morality and the goodness of it, shunning away from the evil and immorality explained in it that belongs to the pharaohs, the disbelievers, the killers, the pagans of anytime. so to think that Quran received by the prophet [SA] and hadith by which he made living plain to us are against Muhammad [SA] is actually the clear display of absolute ignorance.

good night.

The true God will never permit s.exual sins. He had not done it before and will not do it. Solomon fell from God and his s.exual indescencies were not approved of Him.

David took the wife of Uriah and God was displeased with him. Is it the same God that enjoined Muhammad to snatch the wife of Said, his adopted son?

This is not even the issue here, the matter on hand is Yahweh is not the God of Muhammad, who would tolerate everything allahh was permitting. Yahweh prophets knew their God, they knew He would not overlook breaking of His command and s.exual sins as Muhammad was doing.

As for the phone number, I don't see the need for it since you can say whatever you want to say through this forum. The bible says from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. The kind of abuses and curses muslims rain on opponents on nairaland show what is on their minds. You know how Muhammad dealt with anyone who opposed him. Besides, your quran says you should not be a friend to Christians (Quran 5:51) and you can break your oath with them.

Abuamam:
You and your kind are the only ones who see clear violations; deliberately mistranslating the evidence to pretend you are knowledgeable. Your op is crap. As they say...

"Haters will see you walking on water and say it's just because you can't swim".

Islam deserves to be hated because of its satanic nature. It is the only religion giving the whole world sleepless nights.

So, those quranic verses and hadiths in the OP are my own words.

If you will not be qualified for a coward, quote the OP paragraph by paragraph and refute them. I know you won't be able to do that. None of you can. Laughing at your hypocrisy.

EzioAuditore:
If Paul admitted to writing that, what else corrupt or write that you don't know? How do you know it is the true gospel that is being spread? If he can write something and insert it into a bible, what is beneath him? Remember he never saw Jesus, his circumstances for becoming afoul lower of Jesus is very questionable, you know the mischief JEWS are capable of, think! What if he just did it to mislead you? Or he's just a man compiling a book without any regards for its sanctity or accuracy? This Paul bloke is a very questionnable character. For instance: Today, Christians reject the laws and regulations of the Torah, instead they follow Paul who abolished the Law preached by Jesus (Matt. 5:17) and neglected these commands.

Moses and Jesus didn't go to or visit the kaabah because it's in Arabia, they were sent to JEWS and not Arabs, remember we muslims believe that prophets except for Muhammad were sent to particular people. That is also why jesus can't be God, because he admitted that he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel, like all prophets save Muhammad, that is why he is a prophet, you can't say God was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel. Capiche? Jesus like those before him is a prophet Allah SWT, for Allah is one, he did not beget nor was he begotten. Sy not trinity, desist, that is better for you.

Jesus calling the Jews, the masters, and the Philistines their dogs. Also, Jesus refusing to heal a sick child until he [Jesus] was pressured by the mother's begging. Does Jesus like to be begged? "A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, 'Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession. Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, 'Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.' He [Jesus] answered, 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.' The woman came and knelt before him. 'Lord, help me!' she said. He [Jesus] replied 'It is not right to take the children's [Jews] bread [blessings and miracles reserved for them] and toss it to their dogs [the Canaanite, or the Philistines].' 'Yes, Lord' she said, 'but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table.' Then Jesus answered, 'Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.' And her daughter was healed from that very hour. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 15:22-28)"

This seems to be quite clear a contradiction from the Bible, because Jesus did call the Jews hypocrites and he never liked them, and they were the ones who crucified him:

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 23:37)"

Why is it difficult for you to simply stick to questions put to you?

Why do you always resort to rigmarol? You just jump from topic to topic thinking you are making sense. Smh!

Moses and Jesus were sent to Israel and so they could not go to Kaaba in Mecca according to you. Did that not tell you Kaaba is not for all mankind? Is Israel not part of mankind?

If Moses was sent to only Israel, why did you say he spoke about Muhammad in Arabia? What was his bussiness with an Arabian? Nonsense! You think you can just say anything.

With your lies and shallow reasoning, people will soon be ignoring you in this forum. It is a waste of time talking to you.

EzioAuditore:
I copied this straight of Wikipedia.

The meaning of Galatians one is an introduction to the book of Galatians. Paul is stating that he has been told by God to write to the people of Galatia on His account. Paul wants the people to do what is right in the eyes of God. Another meaning of this passage is to show the Galatians the love and grace that God is offering to them even though they are turning to another gospel that is not of God.

This letter is written in reference to the Galatians turning to a different gospel that is complete opposite of the gospel that God has sent. He is writing this so that they can see the error of their ways and the errors of turning to this gospel. He is warning the people that there are people that are against Christians and that those people are trying to destroy Christianity. He is trying to encourage them to look back to God and the original gospels.

Paul is writing it to lift up his brothers and sisters and to help them to see what God wants them to see. He is not writing this to show them that he is better than them; he is writing it to show them that God wants what is best for his people and is using Paul as a tool to do so. Paul somewhat gives his credentials possibly as a way for the people of Galatia to see that he is an ordinary man who is seeking to do God’s will. He wants them to see that he is God’s servant which is why he is writing to them in the first place.

The Author
Unlike many other books in the Bible Paul has stated directly that he is the author so this leaves little speculation. Though it is important to note that Paul almost always employed somebody to do the actual writing for him. As well he does note in the beginning that there are other co-senders, that being “the brethren that are with me” (Martyn 20).

Paul the Apostle was the last of the 12 and was added after the death of Jesus. He was a previously a Pharisee who persecuted Christians was converted on the road to Damascus and was revealed by God the gospel of Jesus Christ. From there on he spent his life preaching to Gentiles traveling all over to found new churches in different cities including the founding of the church in Galatia.

Audience
This letter is addressed to the churches in Galatia located in Asia Minor. Galatia was a diverse region / province with strong Hellenistic and Romanized population. The means in which Paul talks to the Church gives us a few insights into the relationship they have as well as to what particular part of the population might have been in the church. First, it is widely believed that Paul is the founder of the Galatia church and some time after he left they were influenced by another outside source. This is the reason for much of chapter 1 as well as some of the issues that Paul addresses. Next the writing style that Paul uses is fairly refined and he uses strong logic and rhetoric that would be understood by moderately educated people. This tells us Paul was most likely writing to people within larger towns who were more educated and familiar with political systems (Betz 2).


Do you now see why all its contents to me is bullsh*t?

Was it Paul who also wrote:
Andd this GOSPEL of the kingdom shall be preached in ALL the WORLD for a witness unto ALL NATIONS and then SHALL THE END COME (Mat. 24:14)? Giving no room for islam or any other religion.

Mose didn't venerate or visit Kaaba and same for Jesus. If Kaaba was built by Abraham as the house of God for mankind, why were they not there to worship? Answer and stop looking away.

Abuamam:
They asked his wife Aisha (ra) about his life. She said very simply, that:


"The character of the Prophet was the Quran." (Muslim)


Clearly, the Prophet molded his own life in accordance with the ideal pattern of life that he presented to others in the form of the Quran revealed to him by God; as observed by his wife, and his companions.

Of course, 21st century copy-pasters on NL, claim to know better than his contemporaries.

Even with the clear violations of the quran as seen in the OP? Keep deceiving yourself.

Abuamam:
I love how the prophet (saw) showed us how to live with our spouses, and what to avoid during their menstrual cycle. Truly he has passed on the message of how to submit to the Almighty... down to the smallest detail.

This is one of the wonderful things I love about Islam. We are told of those things that bring reward, and those that incur punishment in detail. We are not left to the whims and caprices of the devil's handiwork... as in other lawless religions. Like this holy spirit guided man of god (just an example).

https://www.nairaland.com/2271385/pastor-impregnates-20-congregants-claims

Or this tragic one...

https://www.nairaland.com/2270982/black-pastors-launch-african-tour

Your prophet showed you an example of how to violate allahh's command? Good of you. Muhammad was luck that he was not a prophet of Yahweh, he would not have lived to eat poison. Ask Moses, he would tell you the consequence of violating Yahweh's command when he stroke the rock against His command to speak to it.

RoyPCain:
@truthman2012; i am gonna ask you to send me your phone to my email; roypcain@yahoo.com
i think you and i need to talk.

first, the prophet [SA] had 1 wife until she died when he was about 50 in what is knows as the year of sorrow, after the makkan pagan boycott.
if you have crossed the 50 year threshold, you will know that if you have the same sexual appetite that somebody in his 20s will have, you do not have the time for it all.

to be a prophet receiving revelation day and night on top of that should indicate to those who think that if he had time for wife and husband relationship enough to satisfy a woman younger than him, it is a miracle by itself. having to have many wives is truly a sign of miracle in more ways than 1 that meet the ordinary man's eyes. almost all the relationship of the prophet [A] after the death of Khadijah [RA] was at least one of these; fomenting the bonds between friendship [Abu Bakr [in the case of Aisha [RA to father and daughter]]], taking responsibility to care for widows with children, elevating the position of the women in the community, maintaining the the honor of the family of the wife, disarming the enemies because their daughters are now part of the family of Muhammad [SA] and sensible people will think seriously [in street expression, thinking twice] before fighting the husband of their daughter.


a man who is secured will lay down to sleep beside his wife in spite of her menses. is not like she has some infectious disease now. or that the way you do madam? i sleep in the bed with mine and i still have to be the mate and its not always about sex, all the time you are next to your spouse you know. romancing like touching, etc is not the kind of sexual act that the adulterous woman [even though i don't believe the story] was brought to Jesus for judgment. i will do all that will make my wife feel loved, except that when she is in her menses. you truthman2012 need a good teacher to relearn everything properly.


nowhere did the wife say there was coital in the story. and the husband who has been married to his wife for decades or a man who is not so young does not have the problem of the young man and young woman who are newlywed in honeymoon. while mere sight will lead to sex in the young newly married, even a long kiss and staring into the eyes will not lead a seasoned romantic who is not a youth to anything of 'going to the bedroom'.

i will soon list the names of the wives and the one divorced before consummation of the marriage is the very same day, because she said i seek refuge in Allah. the prophet [SA] said to her [RA] that she had called on Who is The Highest and she is free to go and should return to her family. this act of letting her go has a lot of evidence for the prophet [SA]; he is always conscious of Allah and full of piety and humility towards Him. he was not a sexual deviant as you have claimed because none of your people will be on a woman and even hear the mention of any of your deities; Yahweh, Holy Ghost or Christ. when you people are ready, you lose your senses which in reality you may be raping your spouse and its common knowledge of the perversion that has overcome you people.

the woman divorced was probably put to it by her enemy who made her regrettably be not part of the family, while she never left islam. her remaining in Islam is an indictment against you. only in your write up here did i ever hear of a wife died before consummation of marriage. how long do you think it takes to consummate marriage if not the same day? you think Allah will let His Messenger [SA] marry a woman that will die the day of marriage and not sometimes longer after? Zaynab is the one that died after say few months of marriage.


your teachers and his website are horrible.



i only deal with the marriage and reason for the wives [RA].

Look, Ropcain, the truth be told, you are twisting things.

Allah said men should not APPROACH a menstruating woman, not neccessarily having c.oitus. Even the hadith could be inferred to mean c.oitus.

You see, is it not disgusting for a man to put his head inbetween the legs of a menstruating woman at any time, talkless of when fasting? How can a prophet from whom higher standard of moral is expected do such an abominable thing? Even allah says it is POLLUSSION despite that fact that he enjoins all sorts of immoralities: marrying an adopted son's wife, permitting temporary marriage, another name for prostitution (Quran 4:24), exchanging old wife for a new one, sleeping with slaves etc.

Muhammad's sex life was normal when he was marrying Khadijat and that was before he had contact with Jubril, who revealled s.exual indescencies to him to pitch islam faithfuls against the true God.

The source of se.xual immorality is the Devil.