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Abuamam:
Keep your bogus mistranslations. I speak Arabic fluently, and I know the meaning of the verse.
Meanwhile, your fellow evangelical psychos have also 'seen' Adeboye and Kumuyi and your other gods inside hell. Go take those ones out first.

EzioAuditore:
Alright mate! Whatever floats your boat, whatever you tell yourself to justify worshipping your pagan god. Why else are you abandoning your bible? Lol! I don't really expect you to understand,

2:171 (Y. Ali) The parable of those who reject Faith is as if one were to shout Like a goat-herd, to things that listen to nothing but calls and cries: Deaf, dumb, and blind, they are void of wisdom.


6:39 (Y. Ali) Those who reject our Signs are deaf and dumb,- in the midst of darkness profound: whom Allah willeth, He leaveth to wander: whom He willeth, He placeth on the way that is straight.

2:18 (Y. Ali) Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).

EzioAuditore:
Your post clearly even stated that Muhammad did not interfere, did it not? Then it brought some sort of bullsh*t hadiths and claims. Is this the best you Christians can come up with? Gibberish and a Hadith related by a well known liar? Smh!

Q. Is it true that the prophet (pbuh) had fallen in love with Zainab due to her beauty?
A. If that were true it would not detract from the veracity of the prophet. Muslims admit that he was a human being. It is not unnatural for a man to fall in love. The fact that he is a prophet does not rob him of his natural human emotions. In fact it is true that he loved his wives.
However, it is not true that he fell in love with Zainab in the way that is claimed by some critics. They say that once the prophet visited Zaid, the husband of Zainab. Zaid was out at the time, and Zainab was combing her hair. The prophet was struck by her beauty and immediately left saying something to the effect that God changes the hearts of people. When Zaid learnt about this incident he offered the prophet that he would divorce Zainab in order that the prophet may marry her. Accordingly, he divorced her and the prophet married her.
Several things point to the lack of truth in this story. First, it is unlikely that the prophet (pbuh) was suddenly struck by Zainab's beauty. Zainab was his cousin. He had known her since childhood. Why would she suddenly appear striking after she was already married to another?
Second, the prophet had arranged for her to get married to Zaid. If there was to be an attraction why did the prophet (pbuh) not encourage her to marry none but himself?
Third, the fact of the matter was that Zaid's marriage proved to be an unhappy one. Zaid was a former slave and as such was held in low esteem in the eyes of Zainab. He mentioned to the prophet that he intended to divorce his wife. But the prophet advised him to keep his wife and avoid divorce.
In the meantime, Zaid intended to divorce his wife, Allah intended to marry her to the prophet. Eventually Zaid could maintain his marriage no longer. He divorced Zainab and Allah declared in his Glorious Book that he has wedded her to the prophet after the proper waiting period was over.
This marriage served more than one purpose. First, the prophet was responsible for arranging Zainab's marriage to Zaid. In a sense, then, he was also indirectly responsible for the unhappiness she felt in her marriage. Her marriage to the prophet now provided her the honour she felt she deserved, and exonerated the prophet.
Second, Zaid had been adopted as the prophet's son. Eventually, however, the Qur'an prohibited the practice of changing the parental identity of adopted persons. Zaid, then, was to no longer be called "son of Muhammad" but rather "a close friend." The prophet's marriage to the divorced wife of Zaid was a practical demonstration that the adopted relationship was not equal to a real blood-relationship. A man cannot marry the divorced wife of his real son but he can marry the divorced wife of his adopted son.
The abolishment of the age-old practice was a positive improvement for the adopted persons. People outside of Islam still continue this practice for their own benefit. They adopt children and rob them of their real identify, making them believe they are real children of the household in which they grow up. When such children realize the truth they suffer much disappointment and grief. The adoptive process continues for the selfish gain of the adoptive parents.
But is it not true that children sometimes need adoptive parents? Yes. But they also need to preserve their real identify. This is what Islam ensures. It is the responsibility of the entire community to help children in need. They should be taken in and nurtured but not confused with one's own children.
The prophet's marriage to Zainab was a bold measure to forever engrave in the minds of his followers that as much as people would resist change, some changes are worth the effort. Adoptive children should no longer be robbed of their real identities.

EzioAuditore:
You have no point here mate! Did you not see the part where I told you about Zayd telling the prophet of his intention to divorce her? Here's a summary of the events, enough to satisfy everyone with a brain, but of course


Some of the Prophet's marriages were for legislative reasons and to abolish certain corrupt traditions. Such was his marriage to Zaynab, divorcee of the freed slave Zayd. Before Islam, the Arabs did not allow divorcees to remarry. Zayd was adopted by the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and called his son as was the custom among the Arabs before Islam. But Islam abrogated this custom and disapproved of its practice. Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was the first man to express this disapproval in a practical way. So he married the divorcee of his "adopted" son to show that adoption does not really make the adopted child a real son of the adopting father and also to show that marriage is lawful for divorcees. Incidentally, this very Zaynab was Muhammad's cousin, and had been offered to him in marriage before she married Zayd. He refused her then, but after she was divorced he accepted her for the two legislative purposes: the lawful marriage of divorcees and the real status of adopted children. The story of this Zaynab has been associated in some minds with ridiculous fabrications regarding the moral integrity of Muhammad. These vicious fabrications are not even worth considering here (see Qur'an, 33: 36, 37, 40).

"God has not made for any man two hearts in his (one) body: nor has He made your wives whom ye divorce by Zihar your mothers: nor has He made your adopted sons your sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But God tells (you) the Truth, and He shows the (right) Way. (The Noble Quran, 33:4)"

menesheh:
That still didn't answer any of the questions but rather did raise more deeper questions how the spy camera monster in the sky aka heaven is, a man or woman, white or black, the looks of the vacuum or void he came from, whether he existed alone or with colleagues etc

EzioAuditore:
1- Zaynab came from a powerful family and Zayd was an adopted slave, in Islam, adopted sons don't even have a share in their adopted fathers inheritance.

2-She did, but the prophet recommended the marriage, how could she reject, but after the marriage, it became apparent, Zayd asked told Muhammad and asked to divorce her, Muhammad told him not to, but eventually it was too much and the marriage ended in divorce.

3- an adopted so. Can't even have his adopted fathers name, that's stealing his true identity, he doesn't have a share in his fathers inheritance, the perk here is that you're not a slave anymore and your adopted father has to take on all the responsibilities of a father.

EzioAuditore:
What makes you think you're better qualified than everyone to interpret the Quran? I'm telling you this is what it means and you're arguing that it doesn't? Lol! See unlike the fake bible you parade around, this is actually the book of God, you can't just translate and interpret it however you want, anyways, read....


Thabit narrated it from Anas: "Among the Jews, when a woman menstruated, they did not dine with her, nor did they live with them in their houses; so the Companions of the Apostle (may peace be upon him) asked The Apostle (may peace be upon him), and Allah, the Exalted revealed:" And they ask you about menstruation; say it is a pollution, so keep away from woman during menstruation" to the end (Qur'an, ii. 222). The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Do everything except intercourse. The Jews heard of that and said: This man does not want to leave anything we do without opposing us in it. Usaid b. Hudair and Abbad b. Bishr came and said: Messenger of Allah, the Jews say such and such thing. We should not have, therefore, any contact with them (as the Jews do). The face of the Messenger of Allah (way peace be upon him) underwent such a change that we thought he was angry with them, but when they went out, they happened to receive a gift of milk which was sent to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him). He (the Holy Prophet) called for them and gave them drink, whereby they knew that he was not angry with them. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Menstruation (Kitab Al-Haid), Book 003, Number 0592)"


How about you digest this from your "holy" bible! Friggin jokers!


And if a woman have an issue (her period/menses), [and] her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even. And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean. And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even. And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even. And if it [be] on [her] bed, or on any thing whereon she sitteth, when he toucheth it, he shall be unclean until the even. And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean. And if a woman have an issue of her blood many days out of the time of her separation, or if it run beyond the time of her separation; all the days of the issue of her uncleanness shall be as the days of her separation: she [shall be] unclean. Every bed whereon she lieth all the days of her issue shall be unto her as the bed of her separation: and whatsoever she sitteth upon shall be unclean, as the uncleanness of her separation. And whosoever toucheth those things shall be unclean, and shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even. But if she be cleansed of her issue, then she shall number to herself seven days, and after that she shall be clean. And on the eighth day she shall take unto her two turtles, or two young pigeons, and bring them unto the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And the priest shall offer the one [for] a sin offering, and the other [for] a burnt offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for her before the LORD for the issue of her uncleanness. (From the King James Version Bible, Leviticus 15:19-30)"


How can you treat your women this way?

johnydon22:
Let me guess you have been praying to him since how come you dont know any of the details?

EzioAuditore:
Lmao! Is this the best you could come up with? Do you know what keep away meant? You are just so silly! I have warned you that plonkers can not interpret the Quran however they please, Heck, if God forbids such acts, then why are modern scholars encouraging such things?how can you think God wants you to completely keep away from your wife? You can kiss, and hug, and handle her as much as you want, you can ask any scholar you want, like I said, the only thing forbidden is actual sex, don't go around making yourself look like an idiot.

EzioAuditore:
Smh! Do you know who married Zaynab to Zayd in the first place? It was Muhammad (pbuh) who orchestrated the marriage, zaynab was from a powerful family, this was done in other to raise the status of slaves(Zayd was a slave that was adopted by Muhammad) in Arabia, but after the marriage, it was clear that zaynab felt superior to Zayd, and eventually they separated. That's when Muhammad got married to her, now tell me, are you saying it's forbidden to Marty divorcees? Because most of Muhammads wives were divorcees who couldn't fend for themselves, or are you saying Muhammad showed interest in her while she was married to Zayd? That's a blatant lie!

Behold! Thou didst say to one who had received the grace of Allah and thy favour: "Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear Allah." But thou didst hide in thy heart that which Allah was about to make manifest: thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear Allah. Then when Zaid had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We joined her in marriage to thee: in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the Believers in (the matter of) marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And Allah's command must be fulfilled.

Go and tell whoever is feeding you these lies to try harder.

johnydon22:
God has no beginning, but then again you turn around and persist the universe must have a beginning. .

If your god don't have a beginning then it is also right to say the universe have no beginning therefore needs no creator. .

menesheh:
That still didn't answer any of the questions but rather did raise more deeper questions how the spy camera monster in the sky aka heaven is, a man or woman, white or black, the looks of the vacuum or void he came from, whether he existed alone or wirh colleagues etc

menesheh:
Since the universe can't exist without something (a supreme creator), who then created the creator or did he existed out of same nothing too; while science is busy unraveling the Chinese puzzles of the existence of the universe and life in it hosts, religious believers are busy ranting without even a single achievement to better the welfare of human.

Ifeann:
Mohammed's Islamic allah has failed for 1400 years and will keep failing. A prophet without any correct prophecies.

EzioAuditore:
Lmao! This post is really shameful! There's nothing sadder than when a christian tries to interpret or dissect islam! Honestly, when I read the post I burst into laughter! Are these dweebs really this clueless and desperate? Is this the best you could come up with? Muhammad slept on the same bed with his wife, he took a bath with his wife...lmao! Who told you that's not allowed when you're fasting? The only thing forbidden is actual sex! I swear these imbeciles never fail to deliver their usual dose of stupidity and naivity! Whenever they try, all they do is sh*t themselves! This post is a mockery of all christians' intelligence, you need to go back to the drawing board because honestly, this s*cks. Lmao!

Rilwayne001:
2. Don't abuse, bully, deliberately insult/provoke, fight,
or wish harm to Nairaland members OR THEIR TRIBES.

Ishilove seun emusmith

Rilwayne001:
Now I can see pain in this post

Rilwayne001:
Now I can see pain in this post

Rilwayne001:
I am not a terrorist

malvisguy212:
just yesterday, I saw a devoted muslim in the church,he sing praised to God and prayed. God is calling them, God is removing the crop from the weed, the" harvest"

Rilwayne001:
May God forgive you for blasphemous act.

I am not a satanist.



And when did you turn her/his spokesman? do you think everyone is as dull as you?

Rilwayne001:
your grandchildren agemate just call you mumu, and you are here laffin....dayummmn, you are a mumu forreal no offence.

Rilwayne001:
Here is your first problem.

Is jesus God? Was he the one that inspired the OT? Why does he havecto come in humAN form? During his stay on earth, who was in tje heaven? Which sin exactly did he came to die for? Must one believe on him to have eternal life? how about those that came before him? do you believe in trinity? can you prove it with your bible? why aren't you a catholic adherent? and lastly, what gave the the asssurance that you will make it to heaven?




The bible is not accurate with the inconsistency and contradictions in it, do you want ms to delve into that?

No folklores in my book.

Rilwayne001:

Rilwayne001:
u sabi him wel wel

malvisguy212:
Surah 5:87: “O ye who believe!
Forbid not the good things which
Allah hath made lawful for you , and
transgress not, Lo! Allah loveth not
transgressors.” (Pickthall)


Ibn Mas’ud, who is considered as one of
the greatest Muslim scholars, related a
well-known incident, which is recorded in numerous Islamic sources. This event will enlighten us on the historical background for the revealing of Surah 5:87. He tells us why Allah revealed this verse to Muhammad. Let us now review this account:

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62,
Number 13o:
Narrated ‘Abdullah (b. Mas’ud): We
used to participate in the holy battles
led by Allah’s Apostle and we had
nothing (no wives) with us. So we said,
“Shall we get ourselves castrated?” He
forbade us that AND then allowed us
to marry women with a TEMPORARY CONTRACT (2) and recited to us: ‘O you
who believe! Make not unlawful the
good things which Allah has made
lawful for you, but commit no
transgression .’ (Surah 5:87)


The quranic verse that validates the
practice of Mut’a Surah 4:24:

“And forbidden to you are married
women, except such as your right
hands possess. This has ALLAH
enjoined on you. And allowed to
you are those beyond that, that you
may seek them by means of your
property, marrying them properly
and not committing fornication. And
for the benefit you receive from
them, give them their dowries, as
fixed, and there is no blame on you
what you do by mutual agreement
after the fixing of the dowry. Surely
ALLAH is All-Knowing, Wise.” (Sher Ali)


You may wonder, where does this verse
say anything about Temporary Marriage. Most English translators of the Qur’an hide the true meaning of this verse. The above English translation, like many others, states, “YOU MAY SEEK THEM BY MEANS OF YOUR PROPERTY ,MARRYING PROPERLY .” However, this is a deception by modern translators. In the Arabic Qur’an, the above verse does not use the Arabic equivalent of the word “marriage”. (NIKAH) or any of its derivatives. Instead, it uses the term "ISTAMTA'TUM" which is a derivative of the word "MUT'A" denoting pleasure or ENJOYMENT. “Istamta’tum” is derived
from the root m-t-a, which is also the
root for “Mut’a.”

Compare now the above translation of
Surah 4:24 with the following translation
by renowned Muslim scholar, Ibn Kathir:

Surah 4:24: “Also (forbidden are)
women already married, except those
(slaves) whom your right hands
possess. Thus has Allah ordained for
you. All others are lawful, provided
you seek them (with a dowry) from
your property, desiring chastity, not
fornication. So with those among
them whom you have enjoyed, give
them their required due, but if you
agree mutually (to give more) after
the requirement (has been
determined), there is no sin on you.
Surely, Allah is Ever All-Knowing,
All-Wise.”

Many English translators of the Qur’an
know that the civilized world will be
horrified by the presence of such
teachings in the Qur’an. Thus, they do
some damage control to the uncivilized
teachings of Allah. They conceal the true
intention of the verses and distort the
true meaning of the Qur’an to suit
western audiences. They do this because they are ashamed of Allah’s teachings in the Qur’an and they seek ways to make it palatable. Surah 4:24 was revealed towards the beginning of the Prophet’s stay in Medina. By the time this verse was revealed, Mut’a had become a legal custom in Medina. It was looked upon as a kind of marriage and was referred to by the term “Istimta’a.” This term literally means, “To seek enjoyment.” On an occasion when the Prophet made a lesser pilgrimage to Mecca, the women of Mecca made themselves up especially
for the event. Some of the Companions
complained about the long separation
from their wives, and the Prophet
replied: “THEN GO AND ENJOY (ISTAMTA'A) THIS WOMEN”