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Ifeann:
When I call Mohammed a sex addict the Muslims get offended. But the Islamic texts show he had an verry unhealthy attachment to sex.

Yes, you are right. It is characteristic of a possessed man.

A man who was initiated in mamaid cult before giving his life to Christ gave a testimony of what happen to a demon possessed. He said from the day of his initiation, he could not do without women, at least 6 a day. Uncontrollable sex with women is a spiritual gift from the Devil.

Do you remember Muhammad said he was given power for 40 women a day? He also said muslims will be given power for 100 women in heaven.

See: https://www.nairaland.com/2059576/crisis-muslims-heaven

EzioAuditore:
No! The fact that you can't give a substantial argument to disprove Muhammad or the Quran strengthens my faith. At least by now I know I've made you understand that the next time you celebrate Christmas, you're actually celebrating a pagan holiday, you can't shake that. All in all, I know I have achieved part of my goal. I have created curiosity in your head, you want to know more about Islam and Christianity and that's good because the more you learn, the closer you come to the truth.

Muhammad have been proved to be a false prophet and unbiased readers would have known that by now. What you think you have refuted is ineffective.

It is not every Christian that celebrates Christmass. At the same time, if a Christians praises and prays on any day including December 25 is nothing wrong.

It will pay you to heed the bible warning:

Galatians 1:7–9

7. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the
gospel of Christ.

8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be
raccursed.

9. As we said before,
so say I now again, If any man preach s any other gospel unto
you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

In other words, if any man (Muhammad) or any angel (Jubril) preach any other message apart from the Gospel of Jesus, let him be accursed.

And this GOSPEL of the kingdom shall be preached in ALL the WORLD for a witness unto ALL NATIONS and then SHALL THE END COME (Mat. 24:14).

Clearly stated, God's will is that the GOSPEL will be preached till the END of the WORLD. Therefore no room for islam.

The above had been written before Muhammad and at the time nobody was expecting him but the Spirit of God knows satan will raise false prophets with false messages.

Do you know why Moses and other prophets did not visit Kaaba in Mecca? It was because it was not the house of God as muslims claim. Jesus is a descendant of Abraham as well as Moses, if Abraham truly built a house of God for all humanity, Kaaba, they would have venerated it.

One of the attributes of Yahweh is that He would not condone deliberate sins. Nowhere it is recorded that any of His prophets committed sins deliberately because they knew the implications. Even Adam and Eve committed only one sin and the rest is history now.

But here is allah who seems not to take violations of his words seriously. Muhammad was breaking his command with impunity.

Muhammad violated the Qur’anic rule on sex during fasting

The Qur'an dictates regulations about having sex during fasting.

The following verse resticts sexual activities to the night only:

Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) Allah: Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men: that they may learn self-restraint.
Qur'an 2:187

Here is what Muhammad did while observing fast:

Muhammad slept with Umm Salama during her period, kissed her while fasting and used to take bath from the same pot after having sex:
Narrated Zainab bint Abi Salama: Um-Salama said, "I got my menses while I was lying with the Prophet under a woollen sheet. So I slipped away, took the clothes for menses and put them on. Allah's Apostle said, 'Have you got your menses?' I replied, 'Yes.' Then he called me and took me with him under the woollen sheet." Um Salama further said, "The Prophet used to kiss me while he was fasting. The Prophet and I used to take the bath of Janaba from a single pot."
Sahih Bukhari 1:6:319

While fasting, Muhammad kissed and embraced his wives:

Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet used to kiss and embrace (his wives) while he was fasting, and he had more power to control his desires than any of you. Said Jabir, "The person who gets discharge after casting a look (on his wife) should complete his fast."
Sahih Bukhari 3:31:49

Muhammad used to kiss and suck Aisha's tongue while they were fasting:

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting.
Abu Dawud 13:2380

Muhammad violated the Qur'anic rule on sex with menstruating women

The 'Holy' Qur’an, on menstruating women says:[/color]

[color=#990000]“Menstruation is a disease; can't have sex during a woman's period; after the period is over have sex in any manner, at any time and at any place”

They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean. But when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by Allah. For Allah loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean.
Qur'an 2:222

Let us examine what Muhammad did to his wives when they were in heavy menstruation:

During her period, Muhammad used to f.ondle Aisha in bath:

Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to f.ondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).
Sahih Bukhari 1:6:298

Muhammad put his cheek and chest in between the naked thighs of a menstruating Aisha..

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:

Umarah ibn Ghurab said that his paternal aunt narrated to him that she asked Aisha: What if one of us menstruates and she and her husband have no bed except one? She replied: I relate to you what the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) had done.
One night he entered (upon me) while I was menstruating. He went to the place of his prayer, that is, to the place of prayer reserved (for this purpose) in his house. He did not return until I felt asleep heavily, and he felt pain from cold. And he said: Come near me. I said: I am menstruating. He said: Uncover your thighs. I, therefore, uncovered both of my thighs. Then he put his cheek and chest on my thighs and I lent upon he until he became warm and slept.
Abu Dawud 1:270

Allah's command is that men should not approach women under menstruation but Muhammad violated it with impunity.

Muhammad violated the Qur’anic rule of not to have sex with women when in ihram

Here is the Qur’anic verse on the purity state in a mosque:

“Observe Hajj in the prescribed month; no sexual intercourse, misconduct and argument during the Hajj session

For Hajj are the months well known. If any one undertakes that duty therein, Let there be no obscenity, nor wickedness, nor wrangling in the Hajj. And whatever good ye do, (be sure) Allah knoweth it. And take a provision (With you) for the journey, but the best of provisions is right conduct. So fear Me, o ye that are wise.
Qur'an 2:197

“You can have sex with wives only at nights of fasting time; wives are garments; do not approach wife while in retreat (ihram) in a mosque...”

Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) Allah: Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men: that they may learn self-restraint.
Qur'an 2:187

Even a hadith in Sunaan Abu Dawud confirms the stipulation of the Qur’an. This hadith says:

“A pilgrim must not marry and give someone in marriage in the sacred state (while wearing ihram)”
Nubaih b. Wahb, brother of Banu Abd al-Dar said: Umar b. Ubaid Allah sent someone to Aban b. Uthman b. Affan, asking him (to participate in the marriage ceremony). Aban in those days was the chief of pilgrims, and both were in the sacred state (wearing ihram). I want to give the daughter of Shaibah b. Jubair to Talhah b. Umar in marriage. I wish that you may attend it. Aban refused and said: I heard my father Uthman b. Affan narrating a tradition from the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: A pilgrim may not marry and give someone in marriage in the sacred state (while wearing ihram).
Abu Dawud 10:1837

But Muhammad did not have much regard for the Qur’an or even to his own words when it came to marrying women and having sex with them. So, when he went to Mecca, to perform the Hajj, and a proposal of marriage was offered to him, he quickly accepted the offer and married the woman even though he was in sacred state wearing ihram.

Here is the hadith from Sunaan Abu Dawud:

Muhammad married Maimunah while he was in the sacred state wearing ihra:

Ibn Abbas said: The Prophet (may peace be upon him) married Maimunah while he was in the sacred state (wearing ihram).
Abu Dawud 10:1840

Muhammad violated the restriction on the number of his wives

After Muhammad married Zaynab bt Jahsh, the wife of his adopted son, Zayd b. Harith, Allah was mildly displeased with his audacious craving for young, beautiful, sexy and luscious women, married or single. So Allah clamped down on Muhammad and sternly warned him that this was enough, that he could not further accumulate any extra wives. Allah made Zaynab, Muhammad’s wife number eight or nine, the last wife. Here is the verse where Allah forbade Muhammad to marry further after marrying Zaynab bt Jahsh:

Allah put restriction on Muhammad's marriage:

It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens): and Allah doth watch over all things.
Qur'an 33:52

Now, let us have a look at the list of women with whom Muhammad had had some kind of connection, including sexual. This list has been prepared from the book of Tabari (vol. ix, pp.120-141). Please note that this list is in chronological order. I have marked (*) the name of Zaynab to demonstrate how flagrantly Muhammad had dishonoured Allah’s restriction on him! He had collected at least 13 more wives, a sex-slave and a concubine even when Allah commanded him to restrain his wife collection.

Muhammad had married 21 wives:

Muhammad had married 21 wives:

1. Khadijah bt. Khuwaylid
2. Sawdah bt. Jamah
3. Aisha bt. Abu Bakr
4. Hafsah bt. Umar (Hafsah found Muhammad and Mariyah in her bed and she became hysterical (footnote 884).
5. Umm Salamh
6. Juwayriyyah
7. Umm Habiba bt. Abi Sufyan
8. Zaynab bt Jahsh*
9. Safiyyah bt. Huyayy
10 Maymunah bt. Al-Harith
11. Sana bt. Asma or Saba bt. Asma. She died before Muhammad consummated the marriage.
12. Al-Shama bt. Amr al-Ghifariyaah. Muhammad divorced for doubting his prophethood.
13. Ghaziyyah bt. Jabir or Umm Sharik. She was previously married and had a son named Sharik. She was beautiful but she refused to consummate the marriage. Muhammad found her old (page 139); so he returned her to her people
14. Amrah bt. Yazid or Umm Sharik. Some say she gave herself to Muhammad Qur'an 33:50 . The marriage was not consummated.
15. Asma bt. Al-Numan. Muhammad found her suffering from leprosy; so he divorced her giving her compensation.
17. Zaynab bt. Khuzaymah also called Umm al-Masakin (mother of the poor)
18 Al-Aliyaah bt. Zabyan. It is alleged that she peeped through her door at the people in the mosque. So Muhammad divorced her after paying her some compensation (footnote 919).
19. Qutaylah bt. Qays but Muhammad died before he could consummate his marriage with her. She and her brother apostatized from Islam.
20, Fatimah bt. Shurayh (Sara)
21. Kawlah bt. Hudhayl


Muhammad tried o !

EzioAuditore:
I sleep on that website daily! Laughing at people like Sam shamoun as they try to explain things you can't even explain! Lol! I swear, that website and Sam shamoun really strengthened my faith in the one true God. I am a person that likes to see things from neutral perspectives, but Mr.Shamoun is a plonker! The dodgy way he even answers some questions by jamming instances then answering the ones he feels he can, then dodging the ones he can't answer, but passing it as an explanation is really funny! That website of his is doing more harm than good for christians.

I am really enjoying these discussions with you, they help me understand what goes on in christian minds more, it will be very useful for Da'awah, you may continue asking questions if you want.

The falsehood of islam strengthens you faith in it. You need deliverance.

EzioAuditore:
No need for the link, I already know where you're getting your madness from. Moses possessed a special attribute, no other prophet spoke directly to God. " wa kallamallahu musa Takleemah". Here the question I ask is, how did past prophets receive revelations, you read how Daniel reacted to seeing an angel in a mans form right? That Only when strong and weighty messages are sent. There are instances when the prophet receives revelations effortlessly while praying in the mosque, was that the devil too? He ascended to heaven where he met past prophets including jesus r.a, was that the devil too? You don't have a point here mate, you better go dig up something different.

Then we ascended to the second heaven. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Jibreel said, 'Jibreel.' It was said, 'Who is with you?' He said, 'Muhammad' It was asked, 'Has he been sent for?' He said, 'Yes.' It was said, 'He is welcomed. What a wonderful visit his is!" Then I met Isa (Jesus) and Yahya (John the Baptist) who said, 'You are welcomed, O brother and a Prophet.'

Then we ascended to the third heaven. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Jibreel said, 'Jibreel.' It was asked, 'Who is with you? Jibreel said, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been sent for?' 'Yes,' said Jibreel. 'He is welcomed. What a wonderful visit his is!' (The Prophet added. There I met Joseph and greeted him, and he replied, 'You are welcomed, O brother and a Prophet!'

Then we ascended to the 4th heaven and again the same questions and answers were exchanged as in the previous heavens. There I met Idris and greeted him. He said, 'You are welcomed O brother and Prophet.'

Then we ascended to the 5th heaven and again the same questions and answers were exchanged as in previous heavens. There I met and greeted Aaron who said, 'You are welcomed O brother and a Prophet".

Then we ascended to the 6th heaven and again the same questions and answers were exchanged as in the previous heavens. There I met and greeted Moses who said, 'You are welcomed O brother and a Prophet.' When I proceeded on, he started weeping and on being asked why he was weeping, he said, 'O Lord! Followers of this youth who was sent after me will enter Paradise in greater number than my followers.'

Then we ascended to the seventh heaven and again the same questions and answers were exchanged as in the previous heavens. There I met and greeted Ibrahim who said, 'You are welcomed O son and a Prophet.'

This was also satan right? The problem with you Christians is you tend to give satan too much power, he is nothing compared to God! And he can never come close to a believer who is steadfast in prayers. The Jesus Muhammad met was also the devil right?

No need for the link? It shows you are contented with deception.

EzioAuditore:
I don't know where you got all this rubbish from but I have already debunked this issue, you can dig through my post to find them, as for your horrible misinterpretation of the Quran and Hadith, it's shocking but I just want to say this, if you want to learn about something you don't learn from an objective point of view. But as to the issue of his marriages, tell me one verse in the bible that tells you to marry only one wife. If you can't then accept you're a fool! Here are some verses and points from the bible!

Also, the fact that there is no AGE LIMIT to how girls in the Bible were sold off and married off to other men, WITHOUT ANY CHOICE, who were much much older than them as also the case with the Biblical Prophets who married 100s of wives each clearly proves the hypocrisy of some Christians who attack Islam through Aisha's very young age, while they clearly ignore the same fact in their own Bible. Here is a sample of the 100s of wives of the Biblical Prophets:

In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.

In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.

In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.

As to the issue of zayd, the so called step son of the prophet was not his step son he was his adopted son.

That is one error out of the multiple. He was a slave that Muhammad adopted and raised as his own. Also, Zaids marriage to the woman in question was organized by Muhammad himself to raise that status of slaves in the Arabian community, but because he was a slave, she always felt superior to him, Muhammad only married her after the divorce? Zayd had no blood ties with the prophet, go and tell who ever told you those lies to provide evidence to the contrary. There are many other points but I just want to keep this brief.

To you, the cited quran and hadiths lie about Muhammad, eh? Keep deceiving yourself.

EzioAuditore:
This would have to be the weakest argument yet. You mentioned that these are signs of one who is possessed:

Choking, gasping, spasmodic movements, delirium, and whisperings.


We do not know exactly how the Prophet received his revelations all the time. In Tafsir of Qurtubi, he said that when the word "heart" is mentioned, it basically means that Prophet Muhammad had the Quran memorized.


When the Prophet would receive revelation, he would get scared. Why? Who knows? Maybe he saw Gabriel and got scared. How would you feel if you saw a supernatural being in front of you? You would get shocked.

So what if the Prophet had difficulty breathing? Maybe when the Prophet was receiving revelation he stopped breathing because he had to pay extra attention or was not even thinking of breathing. So after the revelation was over, he gasped for air. People with asthma have difficulty breathing at times. Are they possessed by Satan?

Is delirium supposed to prove the Prophet was possessed? Obviously the Prophet was not in his usual state of mind because he was receiving revelation. He could not be fully conscious with those around him and be receiving revelation from God at the same time.

Isn't it all possible that the Prophet endured all this while he was receiving revelation from God through an angel?

Just because these are the symptoms of one who usually gets possessed by Satan that does not mean that anyone who has these symptoms is possessed by Satan.

Its like me saying, "The usual features of a criminal is one who was abused as a child." Does that necessarily imply that everyone who was a victim of child abuse is a criminal?

Imam Nawawi says in his commentary on the hadith of (Sahih Muslim, Book 007, Number 2656) that the Prophet's face turned red because the revelation that was being sent down to him was really powerful.

This is a man seeing an angel in his true form? You have no basis here.

This is because God says in the Quran:

Surah 73:5

Soon shall We send down to thee a weighty Message.

How can the Prophet be possessed by Satan when he was a great enemy of Satan...

Saheeh Bukhari

Volume 4, Book 55, Number 590:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

The Prophet used to seek Refuge with Allah for Al-Hasan and Al-Husain and say: "Your forefather (i.e. Abraham) used to seek Refuge with Allah for Ishmael and Isaac by reciting the following: 'O Allah! I seek Refuge with Your Perfect Words from every devil and from poisonous pests and from every evil, harmful, envious eye.' "



Saheeh Muslim

Book 004, Number 1166:

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: When any one of you is in doubt about his prayer and he does Dot know how much he has prayed, three or four (rak'ahs). he should cast aside his doubt and base his prayer on what he is sure of. then perform two prostrations before giving salutations. If he has prayed five rak'ahs, they will make his prayer an even number for him, and if he has prayed exactly four, they will be humiliation for the devil.



The Prophet assured us that the devil could never take an image of him...

Book 029, Number 5638:

Jabir reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who saw me in sleep in fact saw me, for it is not possible for the satan to appear in my form; and he also said: When any one of you sees a hulm he should not inform anyone, for it is a sort of vain sport of devil in the state of sleep.



Sunan Abu Dawud

Book 14, Number 2597:

Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr:

When the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) was travelling and night came on, he said: O earth, my Lord and your Lord is Allah; I seek refuge in Allah from your evil, the evil of what you contain, the evil of what has been created in you, and the evil of what creeps upon you; I seek refuge in Allah from lions, from large black snakes, from other snakes, from scorpions, from the evil of jinn which inhabit a settlement, and from a parent and his offspring.

But This is what the bible says about the devil

Job 2:3

3 Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil. And he still maintains his integrity, though you incited (cuwth) me against him to ruin him without any reason."

Cuwth means...

1) to incite, allure, instigate, entice

a) (Hiphil)

1) to incite (to a request)

2) to allure, lure

3) to instigate (bad sense)

*sigh! Really mate? Smh

Just because your bible didn't mention these experiences, it doesn't mean it didn't happen to past prophets.

This is Daniel who saw an angel I. The form of a man, not his true form, but then what happened

"While I was speaking and praying, confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel and making my request to the LORD my God for his holy hill-- while I was still in prayer, Gabriel, the man I had seen in the earlier vision, came to me in swift flight about the time of the evening sacrifice. He instructed me and said to me, ‘Daniel, I have now come to give you insight and understanding.’" Daniel 9:20-22

And then what happened?

Daniel 10:7-15

7 I, Daniel, was the only one who saw the vision; those who were with me did not see it, but such terror overwhelmed them that they fled and hid themselves. 8 So I was left alone, gazing at this great vision; I had no strength left, my face turned deathly pale and I was helpless. 9 Then I heard him speaking, and as I listened to him, I fell into a deep sleep, my face to the ground.

10 A hand touched me and set me trembling on my hands and knees. 11 He said, "Daniel, you who are highly esteemed, consider carefully the words I am about to speak to you, and stand up, for I have now been sent to you." And when he said this to me, I stood up trembling.

12 Then he continued, "Do not be afraid, Daniel. Since the first day that you set your mind to gain understanding and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to them. 13 But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia. 14 Now I have come to explain to you what will happen to your people in the future, for the vision concerns a time yet to come."

15 While he was saying this to me, I bowed with my face toward the ground and was speechless. 16 Then one who looked like a man [b] touched my lips, and I opened my mouth and began to speak. I said to the one standing before me, "I am overcome with anguish because of the vision, my lord, and I feel very weak. 17 How can I, your servant, talk with you, my lord? My strength is gone and I can hardly breathe."

So here we see that Daniel got terrified from his vision just like Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him did. We also see in verse 15 that Daniel had problems breathing. I believe that 'gasping for air' was one of the criteria that You put forth for someone being possessed by a demon while receiving revelation. So does Daniel fit the criteria as well? Or are you being a hypocrite and only applying it to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)?

Hello!

All you stated here does not hold water.

You failed to answer my question: Which of God's past prophets did receive revelations in Muhammad's manner?

Quran confirms God spoke to Moses directly and ditto for other prophets, except Muhammad.

[Pickthal 4:164 Pickthal] And messengers We have mentioned unto thee before and messengers We have not mentioned unto thee; and Allah SPAKE DIRECTLY unto Moses;

The hadiths I cited show Muhammad was possessed in those occassions. Once possessed is always possessed.

God does speak directly to His prophets and even when in visions, they don't fall down to receive them. Compare Muhammad's experience with God's prophets in the bible.

Read more here about Muhammad's possession:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/demons.htm

EzioAuditore:
You are a fool! Do you even know when Muhammad married Aisha? where's the evidence? Please if you want to say something useful, you're free to, but please do not resort to lies and insults towards the holy prophet, like I said, you're free to provide the evidence. Apparently whatever your christian scholars or other guys tell you about is islam you just believe! You are the sheep and they are the shepherds, i don't know about your religion but my religions encourages one to learn about other faiths. Please, no more lies or posts without evidence.

Why did you call Muhammad a holy prophet? What is holy about him? You are holier than him. Muhammad is not the prophet of God, talkless of being holy. Are this the lives of a holy prophets:

The Quran (which was narrated by Muhammad) refers to Muhammad's life as "as beautiful pattern of conduct for anyone whose hope is in Allah" (33:21) and "an exalted standard of character" (68:4). Yet, thanks to Allah's extraordinary interest in his personal sex life (as immortalized in the Quran) the prophet of Islam had sex with just about anyone he pleased.

Although the Qur'an didn't appear to have enough space for topics like universal love and brotherhood (which Muslims sometimes insist are there, but aren't), the list of sexual partners that Muhammad was entitled to is detailed more than once, sometimes in categories and sometimes in reference to specific persons (ie. Zaynab and Mary).

Muhammad was married to thirteen women, including eleven at one time. He relegated them to either consecutive days or (according to some accounts) all in one night. He had sex with a 9-year-old girl and married his adopted son's wife (after arranging a quick divorce). On top of that, Muhammad had a multitude of slave girls and concubines with whom he had sex - sometimes on the very days in which they had watched their husbands and fathers die at the hands of his army.

So, by any realistic measure, the creator of the world's most sexually restrictive religion was also one of the most sexually indulgent characters in history.

The Qur'an:

Allah managed to hand down quite a few "revelations" that sanctioned Muhammad's personal pursuit of sex to the doubters around him. Interestingly they have become part of the the eternal, infallible word of the Qur'an, to be memorized by generations of Muslims for whom they have no possible relevance.

Qur'an (33:37) - "But when Zaid had accomplished his want of her, We gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah's command shall be performed." No doubt millions of young Muslims, trying to outdo one another at memorizing the Qur'an, have wondered about what this verse means and why it is there. In fact, this is a "revelation" of convenience that Allah just happened to hand down at a time when Muhammad lusted after his daughter-in-law, Zaynab, - a state of affairs that disturbed local customs. The verse "commands" Muhammad to marry the woman (following her husband's gracious divorce). As for why this should be part of the eternal word of God...?

Qur'an (33:50) - "O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; " This is another special command that Muhammad handed down to himself that allows virtually unlimited sex, divinely sanctioned by Allah. One assumes that this "revelation" was meant to assuage some sort of disgruntlement in the community over Muhammad's hedonism.

Qur'an (33:51) - "You may put off whom you please of them, and you may take to you whom you please, and whom you desire of those whom you had separated provisionally; no blame attaches to you; this is most proper, so that their eyes may be cool and they may not grieve, and that they should be pleased" This is in reference to a situation in which Muhammad's wives were grumbling about his preference for sleeping with a slave girl (Mary the Copt) instead of them. Accordingly, Muhammad may sleep with whichever wife (or slave) he wishes without having to hear the others complain... as revealed in Allah's literal and perfect words to more than a billion Muslims.

Qur'an (66:1-5) - "O Prophet! Why do you ban (for yourself) that which Allah has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives?... Allah has already ordained for you, the dissolution of your oaths " Another remarkably personal passage of sexual convenience in a book billed as Allah's perfect and eternal message to mankind. Muhammad was caught sleeping with a slave woman on the night that he was supposed to be with one of his wives. Initially promising to be faithful, "Allah" tells his prophet to break that promise and enjoy sex with his slaves. If his wives objected then "it may be if he divorced you (all) that his Lord will give him instead of you, wives better than you."

Qur'an (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." Allah even permitted Muhammad and his men to have sex with married slaves, such as those captured in battle.

From the Hadith:

Muslim (8:3309) - Muhammad consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was only nine. (See also Bukhari 58:234 and many other places). No where in the reliable Hadith or Sira is there any other age given.

Bukhari (62:18) - Aisha's father, Abu Bakr, wasn't on board at first, but Muhammad explained how the rules of their religion made it possible. This is similar to the way that present-day cult leaders manipulate their followers into similar concessions.

Muslim (8:3311) - The girl took her dolls with her to Muhammad's house (something to play with when the "prophet" was not having sex with her).

Bukhari (6:298) - Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and handle her.

Muslim (8:3460) - "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you could sport with her and she sport with you, or you could amuse with her and she could amuse with you?" Muhammad posed this question to one of his followers who had married an "older woman" instead of opting to handle a child.

Bukhari (4:232) - Muhammad's wives would wash semen stains out of his clothes, which were still wet from the spot-cleaning even when he went to the mosque for prayers. Between copulation and prayer, it's a wonder he found the time to slay pagans.

Bukhari (6:300) - Muhammad's wives had to be available for the prophet's handling even when they were having their menstrual period.

Bukhari (93:639) - The Prophet of Islam would recite the 'Holy Qur'an' with his head in Aisha's lap, when she was menstruating.



Bukhari (62:6) - "The Prophet used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives." Muhammad also said that it was impossible to treat all wives equally - and it isn't hard to guess why.



Bukhari (5:268) - "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, 'Had the Prophet the strength for it?' Anas replied, 'We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty men.' "



Bukhari (60:311) - "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires." These words were spoken by Aisha within the context of her husband having been given 'Allah's permission' to fulfill his sexual desires with a large number of women in whatever order he chooses. (It has been suggested that Aisha may have been speaking somewhat wryly).

Muslim (8:3424) - One of several narrations in which a leering Muhammad orders a clearly startled woman to suckle a grown man with her breast so that he will become "unlawful" to her - meaning that they can live under the same roof together.

EzioAuditore:
Debunked what? With your stupid excuses and dodgy answers, heck some parts of it you just skipped because you can't answer them, but anyways, you are free to go and continue worshipping your pagan God if you don't want the truth, it's not my as* that's on the line here, my aim is to protect the one true religion from liars like yourself. As for the Dead Sea scrolls, go and research it dummy, such things can't be fabricated, even your fellow Christians acknowledge it, it's still in some museum or something, go dig it up.

Death Sea Scroll if there is, it is the lies of the Devil. The devil would do anything to change God's word just as allahh was doing in the quran. He was even changing his own word almost as soon as spoken.

There is no TRUTH in the quran or islam. Muhammad received revelations from the Devil, not the true God. The Devil, the speaker in the quran is a liar. God does not speak to His prophets the way Muhammad received quranic revelations. Quran was revealed in the exact way pagan priests receive revelations from their gods. Quran was received in demonic manner and islam practiced like idol worship. In fact, everything the pagans do before islam is being done in islam till now. How could the Holy Bible prophezise the coming of a prophet of an idol? Never.

Now tell me, which of the past God's prophets received from God in these demonic manners? If none, it means God is not the author of the quran:

1. Muhammad experienced ringing in his ears, like bell and sweat was on his forehead:

Narrated 'Aisha: (the mother of the faithful believers) Al-Harith bin Hisham asked Allah's Apostle "O Allah's Apostle! How is the Divine Inspiration revealed to you?" Allah's Apostle replied, "Sometimes it is
(revealed) like the ringing of a bell, this form of Inspiration is the hardest of all and then this state
passes ' off after I have grasped what is inspired. Sometimes the Angel comes in the form of a man and talks to me and I grasp whatever he says. Aisha added: Verily I saw the Prophet being inspired Divinely on a very cold day and noticed the Sweat dropping from his forehead (as the Inspiration was over).
(Bukhari: Vol. 1, Book 1, No. 2).

2. His face was red and he and would breath heavily:

Narrated Safwan bin Ya'la bin Umaiya: Ya'la used to say, "I wish I could see Allah's Apostle at the time he is being inspired Divinely." When the Prophet was at Al-Ja'rana and was shaded by a garment hanging
over him and some of his companions were with him, a man perfumed with scent came and said,
"O Allah's Apostle! What is your opinion regarding a man who assumes Ihram and puts on a cloak after
perfuming his body with scent?" The Prophet waited for a while, and then the Divine Inspiration descended upon him. 'Umar pointed out to Ya'la, telling him to come. Ya'la came and pushed his head
(underneath the screen which was covering the Prophet ) and behold! The Prophet's face was red and he kept on breathing heavily for a while and then he was relieved. Thereupon he said, "Where is the questioner who asked me about 'Umra a while ago?" The man was sought and then was brought before
the Prophet who said (to him), "As regards the scent which you perfumed your body with, you must wash it off thrice, and as for your cloak, you must take it off; and then perform in your 'Umra all those things which you perform in Hajj." (Bukhari: Volume 6, Book 61, Number 508).

3. He would suddenly fall down or lie down; he wanted to be covered by a blanket:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: that he heard the Prophet saying, "The Divine Inspiration was delayed for a
short period but suddenly, as I was walking. I heard a voice in the sky, and when I looked up towards the sky, to my surprise, I saw the angel who had come to me in the Hira Cave, and he was sitting on a chair in between the sky and the earth. I was so frightened by him that I fell on the ground and came to my family and said (to them), 'Cover me! (with a blanket), cover me!' Then Allah sent the Revelation: "O, You wrapped up (In a blanket)! (Arise and warn! (Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 54, Number 461).

4. He would fall down unconscious:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: When the Ka'ba was rebuilt, the Prophet and 'Abbas went to carry stones. 'Abbas said to the Prophet "(Take off and) put your waist sheet over your neck so that the stones may not hurt you." (But as soon as he took off his waist sheet) he fell unconscious on the ground with
both his eyes towards the sky. When he came to his senses, he said, "My waist sheet! My waist sheet!"
Then he tied his waist sheet (round his waist) (Bukhari: Volume 5, Book 58, Number 170).

5. He would snore like a camel:

Narrated Safwan bin Ya'la bin Umaiya from his father who said: "A man came to the Prophet while he was at Ji'rana. The man was wearing a cloak which had traces of Khaluq or Sufra (a kind of perfume). The man asked (the Prophet), 'What do you order me to perform in my 'Umra?' So, Allah inspired the
Prophet divinely and he was screened by a place of cloth. I wished to see the Prophet being divinely inspired. 'Umar said to me, 'Come! Will you be pleased to look at the Prophet while Allah is inspiring him?' I replied in the affirmative. 'Umar lifted one corner of the cloth and I looked at the Prophet
who was snoring. (The sub- narrator thought that he said: The snoring was like that of a camel). When that state was over, the Prophet asked, "Where is the questioner who asked about 'Umra?
Put off your cloak and wash away the traces of Khaluq from your body and clean the Sufra (yellow color) and perform in your Umra what you perform in your Hajj (i.e. the Tawaf round the Ka'ba and the Sa'i between Safa and Marwa). " (Bukhari: Volume 3, Book 27, Number 17).

People were watching him like a magician. If you would not abhor the TRUTH, quran is satanic revelations.

EzioAuditore:
You brought up 3:16 did you not? Anyways, concerning your question read

The scepter shall not depart from Judah, Nor a lawgiver from between his feet, Until Shiloh comes; And to Him shall be the obedience of the people.
—Genesis 49:10

18 I will raise up for them a prophet (Prophet) from among their brethren like you, and will put My words in his mouth; and he shall speak to them all that I command him. 19 And whoever will not hearken to My words which he shall speak in My name, I Myself will require it of him. 20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.

—Deuteronomy 18:18-20
JEWS and Arabs are brothers, Isaac-Ishmael.

"Behold! My Servant, whom I uphold; My Elect One, in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry out, nor raise His voice, nor cause His voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall He not break, and smoking flax shall He not quench. In truth He shall bring forth justice. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till He has established justice in the earth; and the islands shall wait for His law."

—Isaiah 42:1

Sing unto the Lord a new song, and His praise from the ends of the earth, you who go down to the sea, and all that is therein, the islands, and the inhabitants thereof! 11 Let the wilderness and its cities lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar inhabits. Let the inhabitants of Sela sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains. 12 Let them give glory to the Lord, and declare His praise in the islands. 13 The Lord shall go forth like a mighty man; He shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: He shall cry, yea, roar; He shall prevail against His enemies.

—Isaiah 42:10


God will come from the south, and the holy one from mount Pharan: His glory covered the heavens, and the earth is full of his praise.

—Habakkuk 3:3[53]
Since there is no connection between Jesus and Mount Paran "the Mount of Ishmael", No doubt the "holy one" in this verse is Muhammad.[54] The Coming of God from the south of Palestine is a reference to the cradle of Islam in the western coast of Arabia.

Dead Sea Scrolls (ancient scrolls found in the Dead Sea)
These scrolls predict the coming of two messiahs. These two messiahs are referred to as a priestly messiah from the lineage of Aaron and a kingly messiah from the lineage of David.[55] The priestly messiah of Aaron is identified as Jesus son of Mary in the light of Qur'an 19:28 which says that Mary "the mother of Jesus" came from the lineage of Aaron. The kingly messiah is identified as Muhammad in the light of the gospel of Barnabas, Mark 12:35-37, Luke 20:41-44 and Matthew 22:42-46 which all assert that the coming messiah "the kingly messiah" is not going to be from the lineage of David. Margaret S. King argues, in Chapter 12 of her book "Unveiling The Messiah in the Dead Sea Scrolls", that the Jews were informed by the son of Mary that the kingly messiah whom they were expecting would come from the lineage of Ishmael.

It also mention "Ahmad" by name, exactly as it was foretold in the Quran.

42 "Have you never read in the Scriptures," said Jesus, "'The Stone which the builders rejected has been made the Cornerstone: this Cornerstone came from the Lord, and is wonderful (θαυμαστὴ) in our eyes'?

43 "That, I tell you, is the reason why the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you, and given to a nation that will exhibit the power of it. 44 He who falls on this stone will be severely hurt; but he on whom it falls will be utterly crushed." 45 After listening to His parables the High Priests and the Pharisees perceived that He was speaking about them; 46 but though they were eager to lay hands upon Him, they were afraid of the people, for by them He was regarded as a Prophet.
—Matthew 21:33-46 (Mark 12:1-12; Luke 20:9-18)

The Prophet who will come from the "EAST". The Bible defined "EAST" to mean Arabia, and the lands of Kedar and Teman (Saudi Arabia today).
The Prophet who will come from "Arabia".
The Prophet who will come from the lands and "tents of Kedar" and "lands of Teman". Kedar and Teman (also called "Tema" in the Bible) are two of Ishmael's sons: Genesis 25:13-15.
The Prophet who will "crush the idols of the deserts of Kedar".
The Prophet who will "fight the idol worshipers" in the deserts of Kedar.
The people of Kedar will Glorify GOD Almighty, and GOD will Glorify His Holy Temple "in Kedar".
"Arabia will rejoice and blossom".
The Prophet who will come from the "Desert". Again, the Bible also defined the "Desert" to mean the lands of Arabia, Kedar and Teman.
The Prophet of the "New Law" & "New Covenant", whom the Jews "must not fear".
The Prophet who is "like Moses". Both Muhammad and Moses brought new Laws. There is the Law of Moses, which the entire Bible is built on, and there is the Law of the Holy Quran, which Islam is built on.
Also in the New Testament, Christ is recorded to have said this to the Jews: "So [For this reason; Therefore] I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to people [a nation] who do the things God wants in his kingdom [will produce its fruit]." (Matthew 21:43). Jesus Christ here spoke about foreign people; non-Jews. Jesus was a Jew and was speaking with Jews.

I told you on my other thread that you have been deceived.

I have debunked this copy and paste materials you are carrying about. Please stop posting it on my threads again. See where I debunked it here in page
5.

https://www.nairaland.com/2257912/jesus-naive-said/5

There is nothing like Dead Sea Scroll. It is a lie fabricated by the muslims. Where is the Scroll today? I will not be surprised if muslims write another bible to deceive mankind.

Rilwayne001:
Seriously sir, I don't even think you are what you call yourself, because I have never come across an adult man that is dead brain like you.

So, that I said I have no time responding to closed minded bigot like you should mean that I shouldnt address other christians that I believe are reasonable individual that can comprehend explanations?

Seriously sire, If I happened to be your son, I'll be highly disappointed in your level of reasoning...dumb that it is...dumb

Liar! Liar!! Liar!!!

Are those reasonable Christians surrendering to your lies? Why do you continue with them? I repeat: you talk only when you feel you have a point and when you have none you keep mute.

I'm not surprised, muslims have no message other than abusing and insulting people. I have listened to some audio cassettes of islamic clerics, all they do is insult others in the name of preaching. Satanists.

EzioAuditore

1- If the Gospel is the compilation of Jesus' life, then are you insinuating your God doesn't know the future? Are you insinuating your God doesn't know what he will be sending his messenger with? As for me, my God is all knowing and he knew what Jesus was going to preach even before he came, understood?

Did you read the verse with good understanding? ...."who they[b]FIND[/b] mentioned in the Gospel". How does this refer to the future? It doesn't say "who they will[b]FIND[/b] mentioned in the Gospel. Becase allahh is not all-knowing, men find so many faults with his words.

2- what you don't understand is in islam, the name muslim as given to us by Abraham, anyone who receives the message of God is a Muslim, therefore Muhammad's people only became Muslims after Muhammad came. Understood?

[b]In other words, the Meccans were not muslims before Muhammad. Abraham and Ishmael could not have been there to establish islam and build Kaaba and there would be no single muslim remaining before Muhammad.[/b]What was Kaaba built for and for who? It shows Kaaba was built for idol worship by Meccan pagan, which Muhammad adopted as the house of worship of allah. And he continued worshiping him just like idol worshipers were doing. He also received allahh's revelations like pagan priests were doing. Is that a set-up for the worship of the true God? I tell you, satan is happy with the muslims because he is their lord.

Where in the Quran does it state that Ishmael was a messenger to the prophet Muhammad's people or their fathers?[b]The verses before Quran 6:89 state that these people were chosen and given the message and were prophets.[/b]but where does it state that Ishmael was a prophet to prophet Muhammad's people or their ancestors?

To you, Abraham and Ishmael were prophets but not messengers. Are prophets not messengers in islam? In your attempt to defend falsehood, you are increasing it.

4- the Arabs were pagans and irreligious before Muhammad, understood? They did not worship Allah.

This is the reason Kaaba was not built for the worship of the true God as nobody was worshiping God in Mecca. They were all idol worshipers. This also confirms that Abraham and Ishmael were never in Mecca to establish islam as you said muslims were not there before Muhammad. You have confessed there was no islam in Mecca before Muhammad.

Islamic allahh was the idol being worshiped in by Mutaleb and Abdullai, Muhammad's fathers and it was one of the 360 idols in Kaaba. It was this idol Gabriel (Jubril), satan in disguise, introduced to Muhammad as the true God. He also deceived Muhammad that it was Abraham and Ishmael who built Kaaba, so that what is done inside Kaaba by idol worshipers would be part of islam. There are so many evidences that what the idol worshipers were doing in Kaaba before islam is what is being done in islam till date.

EzioAuditore:
Can someone explain to me what he is trying to say, I have tried but I can't understand his point.

Can you answer my few questions above?

EzioAuditore:
Do we need to have this discussion again?

Yes, if you have any reasonable thing to say without resorting to lies and irrelevancies.

Let me guide you with these questions:

1. Allah in his response to Moses prayer said he (Moses) would FIND Muhammad in the Gospel that was not existing at that time. How?

2. Quran says Moses and Jesus were muslims who were given Torah and Gospel respectively for muslims. Why were Arab muslims not in the know of those Books according to Quran 34:44?

3. How can you justify it that it was Abraham and Ishmael as allah's messengers that built Kaaba as the quran 34:44 says no messenger was sent to the Arabs before Muhammad?

4. Since the Arab muslims were not in possession of allah's Books (Torah and Gospel), how were they able to worship allah before Muhammad?

That is all the questions the thread has raised and if you can limit your response to only answering them with EVIDENCES, you are welcome.

Rilwayne001:
I was never running away from your thread sir, but what shall it profit me to waste my time and effort to make explanation to a stiffnecked man?




Smh...that we pay no attention to your continous show of dead brain makes you think we are speechless? nahhhh..


The above defines who you are, and thats the major reason why we no longer take you and your cohorts serious. For goodness sake why should I waste my precious time and mb to explain things to a close minded bigot like you?
I don't engage in such futile discuss.



That Jesus died for your alleged sin is the greatest of all deception, if not, then prove it

You keep responding to threads against islam and that is why you are on this one.

You keep mute only when you are incapable of saying anything. Smh!

Rilwayne001:
You know nothing, you just come here to type rubbish everyday, your ignorance stinks



Running away? from who? you truthman? nahhh...talking about those that have sound mind of reasoning then I see no reason why I shouldnt delve in explaining these things to them, but for a slow minded chief like you my father in law, I have no time for that, cus its a futile effort. I have done that time without number, but your slow brain will still continue bringing it up all over again.
Afterall, you couldnt tell us why your god was nailed to the cross, so, what are you telling me?

This is not the first time you are running away from my threads for your inability to say anything.

Many of my threads were moved to muslims section and I challenged you specifically and others too, lo and behold, you were all speechless. Some of them have been deleted with no single response characteristic of the deceived, who have closed their minds to the truth.

I tell you, what you think you know about islam is pure deception.

Rilwayne001:
Lol, I don't have time to school ignorant peeps this morning

Running away so quick! What a lame excuse.

Many verses in the Qur'an
make clear that the Injil is
given to Jesus who was born several hundred years [about
1,400] after Moses.

But in Sura 7:155-157 is the problem that Moses prays to Allah and in Allah's response to
Moses we read:

Those who follow the
Messenger, the unlettered
Prophet,
whom they FIND mentioned
in their own (Scriptures), -
in the Law and the
Gospel - .... -- (Sura 7:157 YusufAli).

The obvious problem is that the Gospel has not been revealed
yet at that time, and nobody was able to FIND anything in it a non-existing Gospel.

Again, why didn't allahh state specifically what book, chapter and verse of the Law and same for Gospel that was yet to exist where Muhammad is mentioned?

Allah refers to the Law (Torah) and Gospel (Injeel) as their (Jews and Christians) own Book. It shows the Arabs, for whom muslims claim Abraham and Ishmael had established islam at that time were not under the guidance of the two Books. This is futher butressed by:

But We had not given them Books which they could study, nor sent messengers to them before thee as Warners (Quran 34:44 YusufAli).

If Moses was a muslim and Jesus also a muslim, as muslim would want us believe, why were Arabs muslims not covered by Moses Torah and Jesus Gospel meant for muslims?

How were Arabs muslims (if truly Abraham and Ishmael were in Mecca and established islam and built Kaaba there) able to worship God without any book to guide them?

Cc: Rilwayne
'' Abuamam
'' tartar
'' Concerned others

Rilwayne001:
Change your topic to "When will BH/ISIS/ALSHAbab and other extremist have sense".

The fact that they kill both, muslims and christians should tell a reasonable man that these people are agents of devil and not agent of God almighty.

I just hope you are one of the few reasonable christian kn this board.

It is probable that the islamic sect, bh was privy to comments against them by the school authority. They don't attack muslims who say nothing against them.

Any muslim who is not in support of islamic terrorism is not a good muslim and so deserves to be killed like infidels. It shows he/she does not obey allahh's command as stipulated in quran and hadiths:

Qur'an (8:39) - “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.”

Qur'an (2:193) - "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion be only for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers."

Muhammad said: 'Proceed on and do not look about until Allah grants you victory', and Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: 'Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?' Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: 'Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger' (Sahih Muslim 31:5917)

Muslims that are not doing as stated up there are not true muslims and therefore deserve to be killed. Real islam (submission to allahh's will) does not tolerate sitting on the fence.

lalasticlala:
A suicide bomber on Monday detonated a bomb at an Islamic School in Potiskum town of Yobe State.

http://leadership.ng/news/427060/bomb-blast-rocks-islamic-school-in-postikum

It is probable that the islamic sect, bh was privy to comments against them by the school authority. They don't attack muslims who say nothing against them.

Any muslim who is not in support of islamic terrorism is not a good muslim and so deserves to be killed like infidels. It shows he/she does not obey allahh's command as stipulated in quran and hadiths:

Qur'an (8:39) - “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.”

Qur'an (2:193) - "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion be only for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers."

Muhammad said: 'Proceed on and do not look about until Allah grants you victory', and Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: 'Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?' Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: 'Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger' (Sahih Muslim 31:5917)

Muslims that are not doing as stated up there are not true muslims and therefore deserve to be killed. Real islam (submission to allahh's will) does not tolerate sitting on the fence.

RoyPCain:
ode to to e laiye yi o si. while part is not applying now, if it is possible to be today's situation, it will not be difficult to apply it

let me show you 2 examples; all verses applying to Muhammad [SA] alive in Madina. we Muhammad [SA] is dead and you don't have Muhammad [SA] to be living out the instructions.
all verses to pagans in Makka. fortunately for me, and unfortunate for you, there is no paganism in Makka.


story about Joseph [AS] was to encourage and console. is Joseph [AS] still here? oni lati maa lo laakaye. i am disappoint in you because of your age.

Trash!

I wonder how muslims reason. Wisdom comes from the true God.

RoyPCain:
again, you are not sensible as expected if truly you are a grandfather from a male child, while mine are sons.
the word infidel is on the pages of both new and of course old testaments. your english masters in england have used it to mean kafir which is not really so because they intend to degrade Quran to the level they hold the Bible. while immoral sexual act is practiced by infidel, it can not actually corresponds to what disbelievers are called in Islam. you can practice infidelity in Islam and not be a non muslim.

there is no where in Quran that it says kill all disbelievers and it can be applied to today but not just what it meant then. if you are truly a grandfather, you need to rise above being led by a youth still dripping wet of blood from when she was delivered to this world.

There is nowhere the quran says kill all disbelievers that can be applied to today? You must either be ignorant or a liar. So, by your reasoning, the quran is not meant for all AGES. Then, throw it away.

RoyPCain:
@ truthman2012(m): 12:35pm

yes i am a grandfather from sons. so they didn't rush into marriage as daughters would. now that you know this bit, your lies about islam are exposed because even young bloods among the muslims of nairaland are not after your blood. you are not thinking because i can excuse the ignorance of youth that is 'worrying' ifeann, but you have no excuse but if you don't know you should have asked.


i could easily have asked you to take an oath of the wrath of God upon you if you are lying that i am not a true muslim, in spite of you not knowing my heart. i will not do so because i truly believe that when push comes to shove, you will not stand by your faith. you are not better than your leaders who denied and abandoned their leader, who they should have supported even with their lives.

I'm also a grandpa from son as you are, so if am a youth, you are as well.

This is a matter of common sense. Allah commands you to kill all infidels till there is none remaining and everybody a muslim, right? You fail to obey that command, how are you a true muslim? You have a partial obedience to your allahh, no doubt.

EzioAuditore:
Do you know what the black stone is? The black stone was a meteorite that was sent down by Allah Almighty to Prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael, peace be upon both of them, to give the precise location of where the Kaaba was to be built by them. We believe that Prophets Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba. The black stone is placed in one of the corners of the Kaaba, and it serves as a starting and ending point for the Circumambulation (tawaaf) 7 times around the Kaaba, which is also 100% supported in the Bible's previous Scriptures. All of Islam's Rituals are 100% supported by the previous Scriptures. The black stone was proven to be a Meteorite sent from space. Western Scientists have confirmed that the black stone, which resides near the Kaaba in the Holy City of Mecca, is an outside METEORITE OBJECT!

NASA'S CONFIRMATION:

""Stars" falling from the skies have been known since ancient times; rarely, stones are found that were tied to these "shooting stars". One such rock has been venerated by Islam (in its encased shrine in Mecca) for more than 1300 years. By the 19th Century, meteorites were identified correctly as samples from other parts of the Solar System. They are part of the nearly 500 tons of extraterrestrial rock material that reaches and enters the atmosphere each day. Most of that material is burned up by friction from the high speed of entry but meteoric dust can remain in the air and a very few individual blocks of material survive this passage to fall in the sea or on the ground as meteorites." (Source)

"The second city of Saudi Arabia is Mecca which contains the holiest shrine in Islam, a great plaza with a rectangular structure containing a meteorite that is considered to have fallen into the Muslim world directly from Heaven. Devout Muslims make the Hajj, a pilgrimage to this shrine required at least once in a lifetime. "


Christians regularly to justify their idolatrous practices - such as prayers to Mary and other dolls - by claiming that Muslims "worship" the Black Stone at the Kaaba in Makkah.



While there are traditions about kissing or touching the Stone, its real significance is as marker of the point at which one starts the Tawaaf (circumambulation of the Kaaba as part of hajj or omra.) Even the traditions which talk about kissing or touching the stone are VERY CLEAR that the Stone is JUST A STONE!

Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said: "Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, 'BY ALLAH! I KNOW THAT YOU ARE A STONE AND CAN NEITHER BENEFIT NOR HARM. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.' Then he kissed it and said, 'There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.' 'Umar added, '(Nevertheless), the Prophet did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).'"

It Is not sacred whatsoever.

Let us look at the Bible's sacred black stones:

Genesis 28:18
When Jacob got up early the next morning, he took the rock that he had used for a pillow and stood it up for a place of worship. Then he poured olive oil on the rock to dedicate it to God,

So here we clearly see that the rock that Jacob, peace be upon him, used for sleeping and resting became a holy object of worship that needed to be anointed by having oil being poured on it. We further read from the Bible about holy stones that GOD Almighty supposedly forbade the believers from even edging or trimming:

Exodus 20:25
25 If you ever build an altar for me out of stones, do not use any tools to chisel the stones, because that would make the altar unfit.

Other translations of this verse:

Exodus 20:25
King James Version (KJV)
25 And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it.

Exodus 20:25
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
25 If you make an altar of stone for Me, you shall not build it of cut stones, for if you wield your tool on it, you will profane it.

Exodus 20:25
Revised Standard Version (RSV)
25 And if you make me an altar of stone, you shall not build it of hewn stones; for if you wield your tool upon it you profane it.

Exodus 24:4
4 Then Moses wrote down what the Lord had said. The next morning Moses got up early. He built an altar at the foot of the mountain and set up a large stone for each of the twelve tribes of Israel.

Exodus 25:1-9
The Sacred Tent
1 The Lord said to Moses:
2 Tell everyone in Israel who wants to give gifts that they must bring them to you.
3 Here is a list of what you are to collect: Gold, silver, and bronze;
4 blue, purple, and red wool; fine linen; goat hair;
5 tanned ram skins; fine leather; acacia wood;
6 olive oil for the lamp; sweet-smelling spices to mix with the oil for dedicating the tent and ordaining the priests;
7 and onyx stones for the sacred vest and the breastpiece.
8 I also want them to build a special place where I can live among my people.
9 Make it and its furnishings exactly like the pattern I will show you.

It is a lie. Abraham and Ishmael were not in Mecca to receive black stone. Quran confirms no messenger was in Mecca before Muhammad. Kaaba was built by Mecca pagan with black stone put in the wall.

But We had not given them Books which they could study, nor sent messengers to them before thee as Warners (Quran 34:44 YusuAli)

The Devil is a Liar.

RoyPCain:
evidently, you ifeann are just as bad in secular matters. if my name is roypcain, how do i become what you now call me?
you are acting exactly in the manner which you made human Jesus [AS] the Unseen God Himself.
it is this type of illogical mindset that is leading you still to say ghost is another God for you. you have 3 persons, yet you say they are all 1.
i know math will be a problem for you. but simple arithmetic? subhannaAllah.


@truthman2012; how i pity your mind. how do you know a muslim is not a muslim, since you don't know his heart? if a person makes daily salah, facing the Quiblah, etc, isis are just as evil as you to say that he is not true muslim and deserves death! you are from isis, except your label is christianity based on what you say you are.

I don't have to know your heart before knowing you are not a true muslim. As long as you don't kill for allahh as enjoined in the quran, you are not a true muslim. The true muslims are isis, bh and others.

RoyPCain:
@truthman2012(m): 12:18pm

just don't the shaking of your head break your neck. no there is no correlation between islam and terrorism. i have been muslim longer than you have been alive. so i know my onion while you have to pick your info from the websites. i live Islam and i sleep it and in between awake and asleep, i dream it. and i am not alone but just one of the larger majority. none of us want anybody to die or wish to hurt anyone. i want you to live long enough to turn to islam. if you live long enough, ifeann and her family and majority of the people from the east and those from west who left or don't have islam in their family will come to it, inshaAllah.

Do you know how old am? Are you a grandpa?

Those quranic verses, who issued them?

Are you obeying them? If not, you are not a faithful of the evil allahh.

RoyPCain:
i am sure no one wishes his household divide against itself and say that it is standing strong. when isis is killing muslims and even going so far to burning muslim to death, can we say such a group wish islam well? of course anyone who uses common sense will conclude that isis, boko haram, etc are enemies of islam. Muhammad [SA] did not kill his followers, including the chief hypocrite ibn salun residing in Madina. in fact he prayed on him and help lowered him to his grave and his garment was used to cover him, in spite of all the open enmity from salun.


@ enilove: 6:49am
the weapons at that time were swords, spears, bpw and arrows, knives. 2 of them as still in use today in modern warfare by organized military of nations; knives and swords [you can see swords in parades]. to harp in on swords as if my some logic it is a sign of evil means is delusional. the people of crusade used swords, fire, and before it Moses, etc among the jewish prophets used the very same swords or the weapons of their times. Moses led wars of aggression. Muhammad led wars of defense after many years of being oppressed. he primarily fought the Quraih from Makka who were so confident of winning that the fights took place in closer locations and just at the boundary of the city of Madina. eniola, see o fe ki keferi paa anabi Olorun ni ati awon onigbagbo ododo too ntele?

Zaynab [RA] didn't want to marry Zayd ibn Harith [RA] because she was a Quraishi and from the hashimite clan while she knew that Zayd was not a Quraishi blood. this is till the case today because women want men that are higher in status and its rare to find women marrying lower and be happy about that without ever holding the sadness in the heart or as reminder in time of disagreement. Allah wished to abolish adoption, a fake family bond without blood ties. the best scenario was organized by Him [SWA] even before the beginning of dawah. before the end of dawah He [SWA] accomplished His Objective and every child is known by the father's name; wife is not mrs the name of the husband, but daughter of the father. ANd islam was bound to spread. good things are not always going to be restricted and unknown to all. after all good is to be spread about so that evil could be extinguished.





all that you typed here is figment of your imagination because there is no truth to any segment here. i am not what you described me as. it is absolutely impossible to agree with what you typed about my beloved Muhammad [SA] because he was the one that taught me to know satan is ever an open enemy to me. through Muhammad [SA] Allah told me how to curse satan [audubIllahi minal shaytaani raajim. the Lana of Allah is on satan]. oo mo nkon too nso, iwo omo eniola yi.




i am on the straight path already, inshaAllah. connect with me so that you can share your fact with me or InshaAllah, you will return to Islam by my hand. Amin. roypcain@yahoo.com.

i am an american.

The muslims isil, bh and other jihadists kill are not true muslims. They kill them because they are not following allahh's injunctions to fight for him.

You are not a true muslim and it is impossible for you to enter allahh's fictitious heaven if you are not a member of isil or bh.

RoyPCain:
the liar will say evildoers are the true muslims while all of us in islam who are not bent on doing evil she condemned as not truly muslims as if she has opened our hearts and see no faith!
Muhammad [SA] is my role model and elevated me so much. he [SA] elevated my father, my grandfather, my great grandfather. i am not an extremist or a liberal. i am a conservative, in all moderation.


enemies of islam will die of bad belly. and islam will wax stronger. the people who kill non muslims for religion will like muslims, too. after all boko haram killed muslims, isis burnt muslim.

Disgusting comment!

Is it not the islamic injunctions as above stated all the islamic terrorists are obeying? If these jihadists are evil, the commander, allah is more evil.

Anyway, I don't blame you. The first thing allahh does is tamper with muslims' brain as he did to Muhammad, making him to forget revelations. Smh!

The way Muhammad received quranic revelations shows the messages were not from the true God. God's prophets in the bible heard God's voice directly. But Muhammad received revelations the exact manner pagan priests do receive revelations from their god. This coupled with the way allah is worshiped in Kaaba shows clearly islam is a continuation of idol worship. Muhammad only succeeded in eradicating other idols in Mecca and lifted his fathers' idol, allahh above the other 359 idols. Since it was not the true God that spoke to Muhammad, it must have been the Devil. The Devil is a liar and everything he says in the quran about the Bible, Jesus and other things are lies. Even a teenager should know the below manner of receiving revelations is demonic:

1. Muhammad experienced ringing in his ears, like bell and sweat was on his forehead:

Narrated 'Aisha: (the mother of
the faithful
believers)
Al-Harith bin Hisham asked Allah's
Apostle "O
Allah's Apostle! How is the Divine
Inspiration revealed to you?"
Allah's
Apostle replied, "Sometimes it is
(revealed) like the ringing of a
bell, this form of Inspiration is the
hardest of all and then this state
passes ' off after I have grasped
what is inspired. Sometimes the
Angel comes
in the form of a man and talks to
me and I grasp whatever he says."
'Aisha
added: Verily I saw the Prophet
being inspired Divinely on a very
cold day and
noticed the Sweat dropping from
his forehead (as the Inspiration
wasover).
(Bukhari: Vol. 1, Book 1, No. 2).

2. His face was red and he and would breath heavily:

Narrated Safwan bin Ya'la bin
Umaiya:
Ya'la used to say, "I wish I could
see
Allah's Apostle at the time he is
being inspired Divinely." When the
Prophet was at Al-Ja'rana and was
shaded by a garment hanging
over him and some
of his companions were with him,
a man perfumed with scent came
and said,
"O Allah's Apostle! What is your
opinion regarding a man who
assumes Ihram
and puts on a cloak after
perfuming his body with scent?"
The Prophet
waited for a while, and then the
Divine Inspiration descended upon
him. 'Umar
pointed out to Ya'la, telling him to
come. Ya'la came and pushed his
head
(underneath the screen which was covering the
Prophet ) and behold! The
Prophet's face was red and he
kept on breathing heavily for a
while and then he
was relieved. Thereupon he said,
"Where is the questioner who
asked me
about 'Umra a while ago?" The
man was sought and then was
brought before
the Prophet who said (to him), "As
regards the scent which you
perfumed
your body with, you must wash it
off thrice, and as for your cloak,
you must
take it off; and then perform in
your 'Umra all those things which
you perform
in Hajj."
(Bukhari: Volume 6, Book
61, Number 508).

3. He would suddenly fall down or lie down; he wanted to be covered by a blanket:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
that he heard the Prophet saying,
"The Divine
Inspiration was delayed for a
short period but suddenly, as I
was walking. I
heard a voice in the sky, and when
I looked up towards the sky, to my
surprise,
I saw the angel who had come to
me in the Hira Cave,
and he was sitting on a chair in
between the sky and the earth. I
was so
frightened by him that I fell on the
ground and came to my family
and said
(to them), 'Cover me! (with a
blanket), cover me!' Then Allah
sent the
Revelation: "O, You wrapped up
(In a blanket)! (Arise and warn! (Bukhari: Volume 4, Book
54, Number 461).

4. He would fall down unconscious:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
When the Ka'ba was rebuilt, the
Prophet and 'Abbas
went to carry stones. 'Abbas said
to the Prophet "(Take off and) put
your
waist sheet over your neck so that
the stones may not hurt
you." (But as
soon as he took off his waist
sheet) he fell unconscious on the
ground with
both his eyes towards the sky.
When he came to his senses, he
said,
"My waist sheet! My waist sheet!"
Then he tied his waist sheet
(round his waist) (Bukhari: Volume 5, Book
58, Number 170).

5. He would snore like a camel:

Narrated Safwan bin Ya'la bin
Umaiya from his
father who said:
"A man came to the Prophet while
he was at Ji'rana.
The man was wearing a cloak
which had traces of Khaluq or
Sufra (a kind of
perfume). The man asked (the
Prophet), 'What do you order me
to perform in my
'Umra?' So, Allah inspired the
Prophet divinely and he was
screened by a place
of cloth. I wished to see the
Prophet being divinely inspired.
'Umar
said to me, 'Come! Will you be
pleased to look at the Prophet
while Allah is
inspiring him?' I replied in the
affirmative. 'Umar lifted one
corner of the
cloth and I looked at the Prophet
who was snoring. (The sub-
narrator thought
that he said: The snoring was like
that of a camel). When that state
was
over, the Prophet asked, "Where is
the questioner who asked about
'Umra?
Put off your cloak and wash away
the traces of Khaluq from your
body and clean
the Sufra (yellow color) and
perform in your Umra what you
perform in your Hajj
(i.e. the Tawaf round the Ka'ba
and the Sa'i between Safa and
Marwa). "
(Bukhari: Volume 3, Book
27, Number 17).

With all the beheadings, shootings and burning alive of inocent people, yet allah says Muhammad is a mercy to the world. Is allah saying the TRUTH?

EzioAuditore:
"Among their brethren", the Jews and Arabs are brothers dumbo! Isaac and Ishmael, remember?

Moses also fought battles! Is he a killer too? Did Jesus bring any new laws? No! Muhammad did! Do you even read your bible? Don't you read all the atrocities Moses and his men were said to have done? Including killing children and raping 3 year olds? Shame on you!

And just because your pot bellied masters told you this refers to Jesus, doesn't mean it's so! That's just their blind way of interpreting it or they are just lying to you! Capital letter or not! I don't care!

So God came from Palestine? Prophets aren't holy now? What makes Muhammad a sinner?

The statement was made before Muhammad of Course! That's what makes it a prediction!

So you actually think the Jewish and christian NATIONS are different? Lmao! Even a christian would cringe if he hears that! Tell me when Israel and Israel became two separate nations? And when Jews and Jews became two separate people? This really made me laugh.

I guess of all the verses I gave, these are the few you could leaven try to defend! You failed horribly BTW! The others you ran away from you termed as nonsense because face it! You can't really defend them! How about you go and ponder what I have shown you so far! Remember these were all predictions! If Jesus was already there in some of those verses then why predict someone who's already there? That's just stupid. You can accept the true faith or you can go back to worshipping the one eyed sun god you call your God, prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did tell us that the anti Christ has one eye after all!

I know you cannot understand. Your case needs deliverance because you have been brainwashed. I pity your condition.

Empiree:
^keep dreaming in la la land^

Smh!