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Ignorance kills!

At OP.,a quick help find out the following then come modify your post as it reeks of myopic ignorance:

1. Genocide charges and the Hague

2. Agreement/ Approval of AU and UN on Bokoharam to avoid the said charges.

3. Agreement with our Neighbours- Camerou, Niger, Chad on fighting BH and stronger border control time it took and modalities involved.

4. Military equipment previously available to fight Boko Haram and the equipment now available.

A hint: national dailies and Google is a great resource.

VolvoS60:
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The one thing I agree with you on is that it is highly unlike that half a century's rot can be reversed in a half decade. Where I disagree with you is the commitment and focus showed by this administration (and the 2 preceding ones) in reversing that rot.

Too little has been done and it was left too late. Nigeria has had 16 years under the PDP to fix her power problems. Over one and a half decades with at least one resource boom and high government revenues. That is more than enough time and with adequate resources.

I repeat: Nigerians are tired of excuses. We are constantly reminded by Nigerian governments of the mismanagement and corruption of their predecessors. But these same governments will not prosecute their errant predecessors. And at the same time they have proved unable or incapable of solving our very serious problems which they claim, predate their term in office. What are Nigerians supposed to do - just grin and bear the pain while accepting whatever new excuse is put forward for repeated failure?

You speak about preconceived notions. Sir/madam, I have none. What I do know is that there are other countries apart from Nigeria in the oil cartel. Nigeria is the only member of the cartel with the dubious distinction of routinely importing refined petroleum products - a situation which prompted a Venezuelan diplomat to break protocol some years ago in expressing his surprise at this strange behaviour. This aberrant behaviour is extended across the board - is pipeline vandalism (and state failure in containing it) a problem in other members of the cartel? If it is, how do other countries handle it? If it isn't then why are we once again the odd man out?

Electricity has been around for a long time. It isn't witchcraft or sorcery. It is science at work and its results are evident in countries that have gotten their act together. Countries where people hold their so-called leaders accountable. Nigerian leaders in the 21st century should not be giving 1001 reasons why their country cannot generate electricity.

Nigeria has run out of excuses.

I stopped reading at the first paragraph. ...immediately it became a political issue and not national interest.

Good bye!

VolvoS60:
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No sir/madam. I beg to strongly disagree.

Someone expressed his frustration about the failure of the federal government to provide power to Nigerians after several promises. You put the blame on vandals and saboteurs and asked a rhetorical question about 'enemies of Nigeria'.

That angry poster (and they are legion!) then asked why the government cannot secure pipelines (a very fair question to ask). You countered by placing responsibility for pipelines with the communities the said pipelines run through. (According to you, this is the global standard) Not a word from you about the agencies of government with the statutory responsibility for defence and maintaining law and order.

The angry Nigerian then asked why he and other Nigerians have to become States within a State despite paying taxes. (again, a very legitimate question). You then 'labeled' him and quit the conversation.

You will need to provide proof of this global standard on responsibility for pipelines. I am hearing about it for the first time. As for your other comments about the minister's explanations for not delivering power to Nigerians, I can tell you that we are tired. There is always an excuse. Pipeline vandalism. Low water levels in Nigerian dams. Transmission losses. Aging equipment. Congestion at the ports and delays in clearing power equipment. The list goes on and on.

Nigerians are tired of failure and endless excuses for it. What is left unknown is whether they have the strength of character to punish these failures.

We shall see.

The second line was "that is an ongoing development.." ie the solution is ongoing already and if you can be objective you would realise I actually showed some of the ways apart from discussing the new technological monitoring in which the vandalism is being/ will be mitigated or eliminated (even including my own ludicrous shoot at sight solution).

So you see tiring is when seemingly well meaning educated people present their own preconceived notions as conclusions without objectively analysing present challenges or facts available.

Over 50 years rot cannot be removed in a decade as even positive change is a process, so what will it take for Nigeria to succeed if it is not the collective efforts of Nigerians to move the wheels of progress instead of clogging it.

tit:
when half your governor are carrying broom and doing witchcraft,
how do you expect light to work?
dont you know witchcraft fly at night?
when there is no light.
if the light work,
it spoil their business.

Hahahaha
Very funny.
But I want the information for verification purpose and for fact finding.
Oya don't derail this thread again ooo

studio14:
fg

That is not an answer.
Ambiguity leaves room for error and lies.
Answer the questions you started the conversation.

studio14:
yes Gas pipeline

As at when?

Location?

Who is footing the bills?

Nigeria is going forward!

Goodluck is taking Nigeria forward!

Anyone who wants to go backward can move to Lome.

studio14:
bros people were paid to protect the pipeline maybe you tell us another story

Gas pipelines?

As at when?

Please get your facts right before engaging me in a conversation or quoting me.

Have a great day!

http://www.nigeriancurrent.com/ck84-business/pipeline-vandals-sabotage-power-generation-below-4500mw-prof-nebo


http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/02/power-how-vandals-constrained-generation-to-4500mw-minister/


http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/nigeria-lost-3-800mw-of-electricity-to-vandalism-in-60-days-says-nebo/202003/



Funny enough we have new dams and have rehabilated our old ones so isn't the sabotaging activities glaring now?

http://m.news24.com/nigeria/National/News/Jonathan-administration-updates-dams-construction-progress-20141106

http://m.news24.com/nigeria/National/News/Jonathan-administration-updates-dams-construction-progress-20141106

VolvoS60:
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Don't run.

Stay and debate like you mean it. So far, this thread has been civil. No name calling or insults yet, so its surprising that you are throwing in the towel so early.

The poster you quoted is expressing his frustration with power supply - a deep frustration shared by millions of Nigerians. You can't type a few lines in defence of the government and then cut and run when challenged.

Stay and fight like an honest man. But keep it civil.

It is not a fight.

It is not even a debate.

It is a conversation.

It is a conversation where both parties may learn.

I told him the current situation /challenges and even the worries of the Minister who had to engage NANS in a bid to stop the senseless saboteurs because we all know this kind of vandalism is probably done by people with an idea of basic or physical sciences.

I told him what is obtainable all over the world as regards pipeline routing.

I also told him his last statement gave him away. .......

Me leaving means I totally don't see the need to further engage him in any converstion and the onus falls on him to disprove (with facts of course), accept or unaccept my information but not continue in ignorance.

The problem now is a forum with such threads is meant to clarify not jump to conclusions on subject matters one knows nothing about.......do you understand the statement of "giving away now".

Ciao!

itetemi:
over 60 percent of Nigerians do not have light........................capish

Over 85% of Nigeria has an Internet enabled devie or have access to the Internet cyber cafes etal so live streaming ensures that.

See the big picture......then you can comment.

Dayum!

femicyrus:
What exactly do you want this government to be responsible for? We provide our own water digging well, generator for power, security building fence and bulglary and you expect us to come and also secure pipelines for govt while they feed fat on our money?

Your last sentence gave you away.

Have a nice day!

Topkush:
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I have no wish for him and totally indifferent about past dictators,I am only interested in a Nigeria my children can grow and thrive not because of any influence but because of merit.

On his condition we have a confirmed picture of him at Chatam now so we can see his condition.

Kudos Mr. President!

Topkush:
Okay, I saw the picture too. But Guardian made the mistake and they corrected it more so, it is confirmed that Buhari is in London

Guardian obviously showed professionalism unlike the other dailies without a rebuttal notwithstanding El Rufai should also correct the "mistakes" on his Facebook and Twitter page since he represents the APC in his own capacity.

Well Fayose has told us Buhari is in London so I believe that is confirmed.

What is not confirmed is his present condition ie hospitalised , coma, sedated, recuperating etc.

All in all very intriguing few weeks ahead!

femicyrus:
All I know is that there is a black-out and we have a governement so what is happening that they can't secure pipelines. Why must you always shift blame. The government is answerable to the people

You are asking NERC to secure gas piplines, interesting.

Anyway that is the ongoing development........

But in all parts of the world communities are responsible for all pipelines routed through the community.

So who is shifting blame now since it is obvious nobody can "siphon" gas like other liquid products.

My solution is community vigilante (PPMC approach) and shoot at sight for any saboteurs ( jungle justice approach which you can trust Nigerians will also adopt) at the end it is a win-win situation for the law abiding citizens.

femicyrus:
I don't get, why is it that Nigeria is moving forward around Gej but in reality, we are actually going backward. I was expecting inprovement in power supply after all the commissioning of new power plants but now the normal 4hrs per day in my area had been reduced to less than 40minutes in 3days. Can we say APC is also responsible? Or what? If you have noticed any positive changes about power supply in your area recently please share here

Thanks to the unprecedented vandalism and sabotage of gas pipelines around the country.

Cc Prof. Nebo


Can we then say enemies of Nigeria are at work?

Topkush:
I agree Elrufai is a chieftain, buy the question is Was Elrufai in London? Did any APC Chieftain in London write any story on this pictures.

Just saw El Rufai, Oyegun and Lai Mohammed in the APC rally picture in LONDON!

So how can you be sure of his location as at four days ago?

Owning up to the goof to walk shoulders high instead of these talk back is the smart and honest way to go.......that itself is integrity!

Local government buildings in Lagos, Lagos State State house annex in Abuja etc. now belongs to Tinubu!

And a bunch of hypnotised hypocritical liars are on air to spew poo.

APC go and put your house in order.

Liars!

EUROBOMBER:
Take a look at what Benin-Ore road was before Jonathan took over power and see how Jonathan has transformed this death trap into a high way fit for pleasure driving.

Only those that have darkened their hearts to this man are busy shouting "Otuoke!" out of unnecessary bitterness and frustration.

Keeping GEJ in power is a task that must be accomplished.

Wow!
This really put things in retrospect.

Thank you.

Topkush:
But where did APC confirm this picture or did Buhari himself confirm this story and picture. Should you believe Elrufai that is here in Nigeria.

Is El Rufai not a chieftain of the APC?
Is El Rufai not the Kaduna Governorship aspirant of the APC?


Same as Femi Fani Kayode, Ayo Fayose etal are all representatives of the PDP.

This issue of just owning up to a major goof is belittling of a party that claims to clamour for change and call themselves "progressives". See where PDP differs?
The act reeks of a massive lack of integrity of the APC and is a another chink on their pyrex glass armour.

Anyway we all wish Pa Buhari speedy recovery from whatsoever ails him since all APC members do not have any idea of the true state of things objective reasoning tell Nigerians to now believe Fayose.

Topkush:
The post says Guardian newspaper apologised for the wrong picture. I don't know why people find this hard to understand. This is sheer prejudice.
The post says Guardian newspaper apologised for the wrong picture. I don't know why people find this hard to understand. This is sheer prejudice.

El Rufai seemed pretty sure and took a swipe at Fayose with his "evidence".

https://mobile.twitter.com/elrufai/status/569137514017132544/photo/1

https://m.facebook.com/nasirelrufai/posts/10155235541825128

Sheer prejudice you say?

aresa:
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See no counter argument.

APC dismissed!

It's bird crap.
No it is cow dung.



It is poo!


APC .......a party of garbage distributors!

Obiagelli:
I like it when empty heads yawn cluelessly

Since you are too dense to understand an obvious dismissal I will put it plain English for you.....

Buzz off!

You simpleton with delusions of intellectual prowess and grandeur. Now run off to the dark cave you call an existence.

Nitwit!

aresa:
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Obviously, you are too shallow to spot the difference between a member of a political party and a public official...

The question I asked you was for you to show us where the APC campaign organization posted that picture anywhere... Answer or just STFU

APC campaign whatever obviously leaves the dirty work to be done by it's minions like Rufai for possible deniability.

Here you all were gloating Pa Buhari is not being hospitalised but was giving interviews in the UK.........

Pathetic!

In other news I am waiting for such denials in the coming weeks..............

We know them and we know lying is your stock in trade.

Obiagelli:
Still does not change the fact that Apc didn't realise that photo

***Yawns***

aresa:
[s][/s]


I was expecting you to show us where and how APC circulated the pictures ...... Obviously you can not, it was all rubbish and made up TAnoid nonsense...

You should be the one crying to court since you are the one crying all over the internet...

If El Rufai does not represent the APC, who does?

https://mobile.twitter.com/elrufai/status/569137514017132544/photo/1

https://m.facebook.com/nasirelrufai/posts/10155235541825128


Anyway speedy recovery to Pa Buhari.

aresa:
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I guess it's perfectly safe to conclude that you are all mouth since you can not show us where and how APC pass on that info anywhere....


Dismissed... NEXT>>

As expected.......

Run with your tails behind your legs......run as always.

Anyway we all wish Pa Buhari a speedy recovery from what ails him since obviously Fayose has been right all along.

Liars!

aresa:
El rufai is not a public official and sharing news clippings from a porpular newspaper is not a crime or something to be ashamed of so what's your point?


..but we have a public official and a sitting governor on tape rigging elections and firstly denying that he was part of any meeting and the voices on the tape was software generated while his accomplices claimed differently.

This is a lying, crooked and dishonest public official who should have been forced to resign not only for lying, but also for rigging.

To make matters worse, his boss and the leader of his party and the president foolishly and unintelligent dismissed the tape and refused to investigate while claiming it was fake even after his own minister and other people on the tape revealed their participation and authenticated the tape.

These are elected public officials and a member of the Nigerian military lying including the president and the chief law enforcement officer disgracing their offices and trashing public trust.

You and your masters have zero moral authority to say anything about integrity.

Just one statement I learnt from the sitting governor of Lagos.


GO TO COURT!

Obiagelli:
Elrufai is not the spokesman for the Apc.

Neither are you!

We know El Rufai he is an APC chieftain, which you are not.

Can't wait for the certificate fiasco.......


By the way we wish Pa Buhari speedy recovery from whatever ails him since Fayose seems right.

So buzz off!