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LordReed:
When records or evidence exists, much like the review of security camera footage or the reconstruction of a crime scene from bits of evidence.

Please, what "records" or "evidence" exists that clearly demonstrates living creatures changing from one kind to another i.e. fish to reptiles or reptiles to birds, or vice-versa. Or any other example.

LordReed:
New scientific information always pushes the paradigm. The discovery of quantum mechanics changed the way we think about subatomic particles.

New information does not change facts or the truth. If evolution is "certifiable scientific fact", the experiment in view would not have staggering implications. Especially since in and of itself it is not evidence of evolution.

If a single cell or whole animal is split in to 2 (or cloned even) , it does not mean it is predisposed to morphing into an entirely different creature or, will do so under the right conditions.

What we know is that life is essentially a code. Life is always produced within the boundaries of that code. And any variation between kinds of animals clearly shows that. Dogs are a good example.

For a creature to morph into a different kind, it would have to acquire new code. There is no known natural mechanism for that to take place. Not in 3 days, not in 30,000 years.

What we have clear evidence of is that animals only produce after their own kind with variation limited as noted. Indeed, not only is new code never acquired, it is more likely that code/variability is lost through successive generations amongst populations.

So far example, whilst a Yoruba and Chinese couple will produce viable offspring, a Yoruba couple will never produce a Chinese looking offspring. Neither will a Chinese couple produce a Yoruba looking offspring. Variability diminishes, it does not increase.

LordReed:
What other way do you interpret a single cell organism morphing into a multicellular one?

One should always interpret what is observed on its own merits, not in light of some pre-conceived notion.

LordReed:
Are you ignoring the time scales and generational cycles? This experiment observed over 750 generational cycles, in human terms that will be a time scale of over 30,000 years. Meanwhile general evolutionary timescales are in the millions of years. How are you expecting one organism to evolve in 3 days?

And where is the evidence to show living creatures "morphing" into other kinds of creature over millions of years?

LordReed:
What is the meaning of kind? Evolutionary theory does not speak of kinds.

Fish to reptiles as mentioned above would be an example

LordReed:
Evolution has several mechanisms eg. Mutation, migration (gene flow), genetic drift, and natural selection. It is all these processes and their outcomes that is collectively known as evolution.

Several processes have been presumed to drive "evolution", but all of the process noted happen within animals of the same kind and drive variation within those kinds. They do not lead to animals changing into different kinds

A single cell "morphing" into 2 cells - if that is what happened without intervention - is not morphing into a different kind of cell. That would be like saying because I split me tenner into 2 fives, it could morph into gold bullion or shares in First Bank.


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LordReed:
This is the first time I am hearing of it being observed in real time, all other observations have been of past occurrences.

This sounds contradictory and for a number of reasons;

1. How is a "past occurrence" observed?

2. If evolution is a "certifiable scientific fact", how does this have any real implications, let alone staggering ones?

3. This only has any implications if the interpretation of what is actually occurring is correct, and not because it's derived from an a priori bias towards the notion of evolution and every effort to proving it true..

LordReed:
Nope. People tend to say adaptation simply because they are uncomfortable with the implications of evolution but forget that adaptation is a mechanism of evolution. In other words evolution is the result of many adaptations.

Adaptation is only assumed to be mechanism of evolution and will remain an assumption until evolution is proven. When in fact, what we can see and, what we observe in "real time", is that adaptation is a mechanism in it's own right.

I'm currently undertaking a 100 push-up challenge. within 3 days I felt like I'd had chest implants, within 4, increased vascularity was evident. That's adaptation. It just ensures fitness for purpose and hence survival. I'm not changing into another creature. I'm still a TV, just buffer .

LordReed:
No. This is gradual changes over many generations not a sudden instantiation.

Which has never been shown to give rise to a different kind of creature, only variation within the kind. Not only is the notion of "observed past occurrences" bordering on the absurd, there is no supporting evidence to lend it the slightest credence.

You also mentioned adaptation as the mechanism for evolution. I'd always thought it was attributed to random mutation, which in turn was as it sounds "undirected". Are you saying it is directed or by design via adaptation?

Push up time jor. Let's see if I can push that PB. I'm so hot right now, I guess I could be considered another kind .


Cheers
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LordReed:
1. Evolution can be observed in real time.

Has this not happened already? How does it become "certifiable scientific fact" without having being observed?

LordReed:
What moved life from single cell to multicell could have been the same need to self preserve.

Evolution is mindless and undirected is it not? To self preserve via adaptation to stimuli, and surely preserve is the opposite of evolve?

LordReed:
We could be affecting evolutionary trends with our actions right now.

Per above, would that qualify as "evolution"? Sounds more like creation, if only in an additive sense.

Just wanted to understand that's all.


Cheers
TV

LordReed:
Staggering implications.

Please sir, what are these "staggering implications"?

LordReed:
As in, you need to be INCREDIBLY obtuse to take such a deliberately contrarian stance.

Are you saying evolution is a certifiable scientific fact .


Ekú weekend y'all
TV

From here - https://www.nairaland.com/5034006/revival-fasting-modern-pentcostal-christianity#75901481

1/ Does he believe that Jews were gassed, or is that with Kraków and Auschwitz fakes and/or hoaxes?
Do I believe – as the bible states – that Jewish people have, over the ages, been dispersed across the world and, at points, relentlessly persecuted? Yes. Do I know, or have I researched, particulars of this persecution and, specifically the “holocaust”? No.

And, as it does not directly question my faith in God or scriptural inerrancy, I see no reason to. Same for any other conspiracy theories such as 9/11. I am not a conspiracy theorist, I am not a flat-earther, nor a “holocaust” affirmer or denier. I am a bible believing Christian.

As I move through this, and indeed any other discussion, let me make clear, I have learnt that in believing God, therein is righteousness Genesis 15.6 Romans 4:3.

One way this plays out for me is that I always believe God first, then reverse engineer my beliefs and/or wait patiently until understanding comes.

I may misunderstand the scriptures, I may mis-apprehend and even miss-apply them, but I do not second guess them. To wit, my worldview is a biblical one. I do not try and fit the bible into other worldviews or, read it to accord with worldviews that are diametrically opposed to what it clearly states. Discernment keeps what experience has taught.

Romans 3:4 - Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar. As it is written: “That You may be justified in Your words, And may overcome when You are judged.”

2/ Will a ship, with inexhaustible supply of fuel, tip, overturn and fall suddenly or not, at the opposite alleged far other end of a flat earth? Or if he walks continously in a straight line, will he sooner or later fall off the earth after getting to the edge of the flat earth?
No. The vessel will be prevented by, or at best, continue to circumnavigate the inner ring of the spherical earth, as has been recorded severally by mariners attempting to circumnavigate what is commonly called Antarctica.

There is no “edge” as supposed by some. And not in the sense that the earth is perfectly flat, meaning a ship could possibly sail over said edge. The Antarctic is not a large island continent, but a ring of ice that encircles the earth.

Job 38:10-11- And I placed boundaries on it And set a bolt and doors, And I said, 'Thus far you shall come, but no farther; And here shall your proud waves stop'?

Proverbs 8:29 - When He set for the sea its boundary So that the water would not transgress His command, When He marked out the foundations of the earth;

3/ Ask him to provide, all his bible verses that he interpretes the bible being flat with and lets all together examine them each.
Please see attached jpeg for reference.

4/ Ask him, why did the Roman Catholic Church have a paradigm shift on this subject?
I am not a Catholic, neither, as stated above, do I approach the bible with a denominational position or “other” worldview, I let the bible speak for itself and then weigh other positions against it. These other positions may in some instances accord with the bible in whole or in part. I have no problem with that, or necessarily with those that hold to the other.

Having said that, I do appreciate that not only did the Catholic Church shift, many of the “scientists” that drove the shift were in fact Catholics. Further, I would consider the uppermost hierarchy and ultimate power behind the Catholic church to be problematic to say the least.

Catholicism is not necessarily Christianity. And, Catholic doctrine or dogma is not necessarily scriptural. In like manner, the same could be said for Anglicanism, Pentecostalism and any other Christian denomination or sect.

To be clear and so as not to deflect, I am not a denominationalist, neither am I for, or against denominationalism per se. Nor do I believe all Catholics are going to heaven any more than I believe all Pentecostals are going to hell. My view of hell is a whole other discussion

5/ If the earth is flat, ask him to explain why it is evening now in Australia, when it is morning now where we both are?
That is due to the size – relatively small – distance from earth – quite close – orbiting cycle – every 24 hours – and lighting effect – like a spotlight – of the sun. Both sun and moon are luminaries, under the earths firmament and orbiting us within it . Hence, we see them in “the sky”. Look out of your window during the day, the sun is seen in the sky and, oft times clouds can be seen behind them.

As the sun approaches (rises), it appears to get larger and higher. As it recedes (sets), it appears to become lower and smaller. This is perspective and the “vanishing point” experienced by the human eye due to it’s mechanics and limits.

The sun’s size and spotlight effect means that only half the earth – and that to varying degrees – is lit at any one time. Some areas are becoming progressively “lighter”, whilst others are becoming progressively “darker”.

Genesis 1:14-19 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. ..

God made the sun for light during the day. Ergo, we do not need it, to see it or, its light during the night. Perfect construct. As opposed to a sun that is upposedly 93,000,000 miles away

6/ Ask him to provide where Jesus said the earth is flat, so I can show Jesus implying the opposite
I don’t, off-hand, recall The Lord saying “the earth is flat”, so cannot provide such a verse. But I have no problem for verses showing Jesus “implying the opposite” to be presented


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ThothHermes:
^^^^
TV01

Holá.

Apologies, I was unable to respond being the recipient of a spambot ban . The "eaten" post #12 directly under your callout to MuttleyLaff
below, was mine.

I'm finding NL weirdly unstable. Having to log in multiple times. Being kicked out whilst quoting/posting/modifying etc. I've learnt to c&p my responses just in case . It's enough to turn one into a conspiracy theorist .

Let's do it here, so as not to derail Mr Oarloye' thread - https://www.nairaland.com/5043603/which-bible-story-bible-passage


Cheers
TV

LordReed:
Really? so where did you get the numbers from?

A number of "science" sources. But you know what, just demonstrating the axial and orbital motions of the earth will be enough, forget speed sef. I'll be so wowed, I will add first fruits join

2 Corinthians 10:5 - We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ,


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LordReed:
LMFAO! Come and see American wonder, come and see American wonder!

nwabekeyi:
Until you give me a scenarios where science made mistakes and religion fixed them then can't take you seriously.

It's hard to get off your positive schizophrenia

Please sirs, provide evidence of the earth's motion as described below and, I will renounce Christianity poste-haste, joining your worldview, or whichever one you direct me to . Additionally, if you are able to provide evidence of the earths sphericity, I will pay my tithes direct to you .

Any evidence that the earth moves? On it's axis at 1'000kmph, around the sun at 67'000 mph, both within a "galaxy" moving at 500'000kmph, which is in turn within a universe moving at 1.2m mph.

Intelligent enough to believe the earth experiences 4 high-speed motions which are not physically experienced and, cannot be directly detected or shown

1 Timothy 6:20 - O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:


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Horiolah:
You again.

Yes 0. Still here and by God's grace I shall not be moved - like the earth, which is resolutely flat.

LordReed:
Fuckiing shiit! A dyed in the wool flat earther! Wow! Wonders indeed shall never cease!

No. A bible believer. Which bible clearly details the earth created planular and stationary.

LordReed:
the apparent motion of the sun is a result of the earth's motion

So the sun - along with the moon - which we can be clearly seen orbiting the earth every single day is not actually moving, it only appears to do so because the earth is moving .

Some people will dis-believe their own eyes, and accept obvious nonsense - evolution, big-bang from nothing, as long as it makes them feel intelligent and allows them to rebel against God. The veracity of the holy scriptures s the least of your worries.

LordReed:
if the sun at all appears to stand still it is because the earth has stopped moving not the other way around.

Any evidence that the earth moves? On it's axis at 1'000kmph, around the sun at 67'000 mph, with both within a "galaxy" moving at 500'000kmph, which is in turn moving through the universe at 1.2m mph.



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nwabekeyi:
Bros, leave story. If the planet suddenly ceases motion, we will all fall off it. It's simple law of inertia.
Apart from that, a lot of abnormalities will happen. You people just hate the truth

You are too funny.

We are on a plane, not a planet.
A plane that does not move. It is fixed, immovable, as the Creator - God most High, Creator of the heavens and the earth, made it .

The sun, moon and stars orbit the earth, which is at the center of creation. As clesrly recorded in the book of Joshua, it was the sun and moon which halted in their orbits.

Please explore the records of antiquity,almost to a one there is a record of an extra long/short day.

Glory to God, who created and upholds all thongs by the Word of His power.



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Akin1212:
Lmao, are you turning around now?

Turning, from what, from where The fact that one classification system can be applied means that no other one can be? And, if a classification is used, it therefore follows that all the attributes/behaviours of the things so classed should be equalised?

Akin1212:
You said humans are more than being animals, by what valid standards? Human no matter who they are are animals in scientific usage. And this is the most objective position.

Yes, all considered, whilst humans may biologically be classed as animals, in the entirety of their beings there are categorically different to mere brute beasts. Because a "scientific" framework is the only one permitted? Or because science as you understand it knows, or has the answer to everything? And, AKIN1212 is objectively able to make that assertion?. Such hubris, and on full frontal display

Akin1212:
Any other usage is subjective and that was exactly what I told you! Just admit your bias and let's move on.

Again, that is merely your opinion, which does not stand scrutiny. As for bias, your unyielding insistence on seeing nothing beyond the physical is a reflection of both your blinkeredness and pride.

Akin1212:
You have no proof of any other criteria, it's a physical world. Wake up from your fantasy.

Indeed, you should open your eyes and see that which is self evident. Are consciousness and intellect merely physical? Human beings are a higher class of being than animals - regardless of the fact that they share some commonality and in a purely physical or material sense can be classed as animals

Akin1212:
Now you're no more arguing after dragging the matter over some rounds? Lol. You're stating your position not on a reasoned position, but on a position acquired by faith, which assures you that you are special among other creatures,

Arguing? I was never arguing with you, merely stating truth and charitably endeavouring to enlighten you. You on the other hand remained steadfastly confused by your own reflection .

Akin1212:
whilst you're just as useless as a goat on the street, nothing is special about man, You don't need to agree.

Here again the incoherence of your own logic is glaring. If humans are but animals, why raise them any differently?

Akin1212:
It's just an advantage of difference. It still doesn't make the human more than an animal. If one human and one gorilla are kept in a cage, one one one, no other item is allowed, the gorilla will triumph.

"More" is your choice in this instance. I use the term "different". And rightly so as the degree of magnitude in that difference demands it.

Akin1212:
Lol, infinite destiny my foot. Keep lying to those kids. They might as well grow up to know you for the liar that you are. Lying for Jesus .

I would counsel otherwise, but feel free to raise your kids emphasising they are no more or better than goats. Again, the incoherence of your own logic is glaring. If humans are mere animals, why raise them any differently?


Truly the bible attests that the "fear of God is the beginning of wisdom", and, "the fool has said in his heart there is no God". All your prating is bound up in your insistence that there is nothing beyond the physical, which is tied to your denial of God's existence. Not something you can objectively claim. Let me leave you in peace lest you start to think you can succeed in dragging me into the mud with you .


Ascending higher
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ThothHermes:
This is the first time I'm seeing this guy agreeing with anyone on anything even if partially.

Do you know that he is a flat-earther too TV01?

He also believes the moon landings were fake and that the Holocaust was a hoax.

Hi Dude,

No, my first time of engaging with Mr. Oaroloye. Although I may have in the past. Almost 13 years on NL. I often get monikers mixed up, forget, and of course they is multi-monikering to factor in.

Sir, literally all flat-earthers would once have been "ball" earthers. How's the journey?

I agree on the moon landings. In short, I don't actually believe it's possible. Did you follow-up on the supposed landing on the dark side of the moon by China? All CGI imagery. I haven't researched the holocaust. I don't bother with things that don't touch my faith. Much like the 9/11 theories.


Cheers

TV

oaroloye:
SHALOM!
THE AKIN1212 NUTTER WAS TELLING US THAT ACCORDING TO HIS THEORY, FASTING TO CURE SICKNESS AND DISEASE IS IMPOSSIBLE.

Your Testimony of Fasting up to 14 days- more than long enough to cure MALARIA- supports my Testimony.

I wouldn't describe him as nuts, more as passionate but misguided - and somewhat constricted . I absolutely believe fasting would deal with malaria. Not that I can testify to that in an empirical fashion.

oaroloye:
OYINBOS THINK ENTIRELY DIFFERENTLY FROM AFRICANS!

They have had over 1,000 years of brainwashing to believe that they are Christians. "Normal" Africans think that Idols of Wood, Clay, Stone, etc. are superior to PEOPLE. "Therefore they do not care that millions of Africans DIE- because there are still rocks, trees, clay and stuff left."

[See: THE FUNDAMENTALS OF THOUGHT, by L. Ron Hubbard.]

If an Oyinbo Politician was exposed in rigging an election, their own followers would reject them- even lynch them.

If a Nigerian Politician rigged the Election, their people would applaud their cleverness.

Someone stole my boss' laptop last week.

I advised him to go to the Fine Arts Department, and describe the person he saw leaving our lab with it hidden in a magazine, he held casually, until they could get his facial features down, and we can start looking for this (*Bleep!*)ard!

"NEVER TELL AFRICANS TO DO SOMETHING THEY CAN'T DO- THEY'LL GO SULLEN ON YOU!" (Warning to L. Ron Hubbard on his first visit to Zimbabwe.

[See: ABOUT RHODESIA, by L.Ron Hubbard.]

He couldn't do that.

You'd be surprised. Not sure there is that much different and what there is, is due to some degree to history and environment. It's why many Africans excel here. I am not counting yours truly amongst that number

oaroloye:
You spent time in England, but were not born there?

English is not your first language?

I was not accusing you of being opposed to Africans, but comparing your thought processes with those of locally-raised Africans.


Then you should know how very differently they think and talk.

That is a simple procedure for us: THEM?

Not so much.

I was born and mostly raised in England. And yes, it is my first language. Blessed to have spent time in Nigeria and experienced the culture and education system.

oaroloye:
Also, the idea of Fasting 14 days:

"For WHAT? Am I MAD?!?"

Maybe not, but there are some ailments that lengthier fasts can deal with. Between days 8 & 10 my stomach was bubbling? On day 11, I passed something that I cannot describe on a family forum

oaroloye:
NO AMOUNT OF FASTING WILL CHANGE GREY HAIR BLACK!

FASTING will make it GROW OUT Black.

My hair used to be almost all-WHITE- like 75%.

After my second 10-day Fast, at age 42, I lost all my grey hair.

I was accused of dyeing it.

So I waited until my hair was white again.

That took twelve years.

I found >3 week FASTING made my facial hair grow; I could never grow a beard before. I read that it increases TESTOSTERONE production.

Isn't changing black and growing out black essentially the same thing? Colour is from the root.

Oga, if you've done 10 days, 14 days isn't that much of a stretch. Do you follow any faith type protocols during fasting?

Absolutely agree about the testosterone production. It can literally go through the roof. Totally unconsidered and unexpected side-affect. Na madam dey suffer am


Cheers
TV

Akin1212:
Humans are animals, this position is an objective position backed by embryology, comparative anatomy, histology, physiology, and biochemistry. It is not subjective.

And, I have not for once disputed the fact that humans can be classified as animals. If we agree a taxonomy based on your choice of limited and subjective use of physical criteria, why not? My point has always been that, based on additional or, different criteria, human beings can be considered more than, or different to brute beasts.

Akin1212:
However, show a peer reviewed academic paper that backs your subjective and egoistic claim that humans are not animals. Or are you just arguing from ignorance as usual?

I am not arguing at all, merely stating my wholly permitted and reasoned position regards the categorisation of living creatures - whilst not denying you your own.

Akin1212:
So because humans have an advantage to reason logically more than other animals, therefore humans are not animals? Lol Well, I have bad news, one gorilla have the strength of 4 adult human males, does that advantage also make a gorilla to be more than an animal?

And, I have good news. One human is able to create and manage the technology with the power of 4'000 apes. If I deem that ability a differentiator and criteria worthy of making a distinction betwixt human and ape, who are you to gainsay?

Akin1212:
The question is, did you lose your capability to reason?

Sir, you are like an ape showing aggression towards it's own reflection .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMHnNF2rqpI

Akin1212:
Your position is only backed by typing useless epistles and human ego which are not useful here or anywhere in the world. When you realize that even enzymes of pigs and gorillas will carry out the same functions in humans, I hope it's not too late for your kids who would have an illiterate for a father.

My kids are being taught that they are fearfully and wonderfully made. With infinite meaning and, an eternal destiny. Presumably you ate yours raw .


The ascendant
TV

Akin1212:
Humans are nothing but animals, not higher nor lower than animals. And this is backed by embryology, comparative anatomy, physiology and biochemistry.

Your assertion below directly contradicts your opening statement above. To claim that humans are "nothing but animals" is your wholly subjective position.

Even if we allow for a categorisation protocol based on an agreed group of criteria, that does not discount additional or different criteria yielding further or additional distinctions. Are humans animals, in a manner of speaking sure. Are humans more than just animals? absolutely.

Akin1212:
Whatever you subjectively think does not in any way affect that fact!

The fact is, humans are imprinted with the image of God. Humans possess a higher consciousness, intellect and ability to reason in an abstract sense. Further, human beings are not driven purely by instinct in their motivations and aspirations and, are capable of morally based actions.

You are free in your taxonomy to include or exclude any or, all of the characteristics I have listed. But please, don't come over all holier-than-thou , labelling a brother subjective and introducing non-animalistic attributes such as reasoning .

A lovely dinner of pan-seared duck breast with an avocado and mixed green salad. Being a bit of an "animal", I wolfed it down . Must learn to deploy my more ascendant qualities. How was your doo-doo? Fresh I hope.


á la carte
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Akin1212:
You still find it difficult to accept that humans are animals?

Do you find it hard to accept that humans are more than animals?

LordReed:
You must have me confused with someone else, all I did was ask you a question to clarify what you were saying.

Hopefully you have found the clarification you sought.


Cheers
TV

oaroloye:
SHALOM!
One is always happy to see one's point-of-view validated.
Except when the validation is a lie.

Greetings. I wasn't validating your POV, just sharing my experience

oaroloye:
I was born in England, and English is my first language.

So was I , so is it.

oaroloye:
I know somewhat of how Oyinbos talk and think.

Probably not too different to non-Oyinbos in some respects

oaroloye:
How they use language, act and react.
As opposed to Africans.

I am not opposed to Africans. I am one

oaroloye:
This essay was not written by a locally-educated Nigerian.

I did have some schooling in Nigeria

oaroloye:
A quick glance over his earlier posts implies that it is not plagiarized, as I immediately believed, being consistent with other posts written.

Me plagiarize? Never. It's possibly the worst literary crime going. I personally hate unauthorised editing more. At least plagiarism is a form of imitation. I sometimes plagiarise my own work - often wonder that it was me that wrote it .

oaroloye:
I am not familiar with this author at all, but I doubt that his Testimony will add anything to my credibility at this time.

LIke I said, I wasn't looking to validate or add credibility, just share.

Has fasting changed your grey hairs black? I find it slows hair growth.


Cheers
TV

Akin1212:
What are humans, in terms of biological classification. Plants or Animals? And if you want extended options, chose among any of these - Monera, protista, fungi, plantae and animalia.

Whichever classification captures creatures imprinted with the image of God. Or perhaps one that includes beings capable of abstract thought. Maybe a class whose constituents possess the ability to create and manage advanced multi-varied technological processes.

Then again, you may well prefer to categorise them along with animals who consume their own faeces. Speaking of which, did you enjoy your hot steaming plate of mashed doo-doo yesterday?

LordReed:
LoL so a question is what is evoking this childish outburst? SMDH

Wait, let me get this right; someone who believes that it's ok for human beings to employ their waste as a food source and for sexual pleasure is attempting to take the moral high ground


Morning All,
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Akin1212:
You're such a waste of time. Goodbye

Yeah, because I really wanted to hang out with you - wallowing in mud as we discussed inter-family homosex and eagerly anticipated hot steaming bowls of our own pan-fried excrement for lunch.

LordReed:
Wait what are you saying here? That there doesn't exist examples of animals forming lasting same sex bonds (for sex)?

Not really. And even where it might happen, it would be due to misreading of the social protocols amongst animals, dysfunction in the individuals or in their settings.

I wonder, although I'm not really surprised, at how anyone would introduce animal behaviour to justify the same in humans. Dysfunction across species is still dysfunction, not justification. Do we even do that for behaviour that can be considered morally neutral?

It's my fault. What has the holy to do with the profane, or the pure with the perverted. Go ahead, enjoy time grooming each others armpits ahead of your hot steaming bowls .


TV

I really enjoyed this write-up and, if I didn't fast already, it would possibly have inspired me to.

I've fasted for years, but more as a health nut than a Christian, although one seemed to feed the other - no pun intended.
I used to fast for a couple of days - over weekends was typical for me - Friday nights till Monday mornings. I always felt re-invigorated after.

Then, and for a confluence of reasons, I started to look into longer fasts. I had seen things and it had been on my radar, but only in a peripheral manner.

But as is my wont, as it came more into view, I decided to look into further into it. Like a lot of people I'd always thought a longer period would be literally starving myself and something that would be quite challenging. Obviously from the bible, I had no doubts it could be done and, of the spiritual and physical benefits.

So I did the research. Read about fasting in various traditions, studied the science behind it, and then let the idea sink in as I mentally prepared myself. Then promptly forgot about it !

Then one day with bank holiday Easter coming up - which meant 4 whole days off work, I decided to go for it. I figured that I'd be over the worst ahead of resuming work at what would be a very busy time.

I like simplicity, clean lines, so adopted a plain water-only strategy. Long short I completed 10 days, lost loads of weight - which wasn't actually an aim, but felt great afterward.

It's now pretty much embedded and I do it periodically, my longest being 14 days. Whilst health was always a big driver for me, it does drive you spiritually deeper of itself. The aim in future is to focus more on the period as a spiritual endeavour, which is my overall bent anyway - it will be Easter again in a month or so

I agree with the breaking protocols, although I don't follow them as laid down. General advice is to stay on juices, fruits and veg for as long as the fast lasted. I typically do a day of fruit, then fruit and smoothies and by the 3rd day I'm on to fish and veg. No ill effects, although I wasn't as moderate the first few times . I appreciate for longer fasts it may be more important to go with the standard advice.

Lot's of nuance and detail but I'll stop with the broad outline for now. Let the scoffers scoff. I have one at work who, not having read the history, studied the research or tried it himself, casually derides it - we are all entitled to our opinion, informed or otherwise.



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Annwrites:
TV01 you really tried.

I have learnt over the years to avoid unnecessary argument. When people want to stay ignorant while sounding woke, they will no matter how much one tries to convince them.

Back to the topic, as a believer of Christ, I believe the earth is flat. I did a personal research, came to this conclusion, and have the full backing of the Bible.

Without the research, the flat earth is glaring.

Morning Annwrites.

Thank you for your kind words. I am encouraged. May The Holy Spirit continue to lead us into all truth, glorifying our Lord & Saviour.


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ThothHermes:
First link is just reaching. Who was taking records of eclipses over hundreds of years? Eclipses do not have a fixed pattern of occurrence in a particular place. This is conspiracy nonsense. A lot of the eclipses are not even noticeable so how would you be able to consistently record?


Second link: NASA has a website. It's an organization with thousands of employees scattered around the planet and beyond. Why would they cover up something like that? Can you think of a motive. The Van Allen belt is dangerous but is bypassed by travelling through regions of low radiation.

Your statement about search engine suppression is hilarious. That's the problem with conspiracy theories; they give rise to more.
Now Google and Bing are also in on the cover-up.

If you so desire, the truth is out there.


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tintingz:
Do you even read the nonsense you just spew?

I thought you were excused to attend to your malady? Or, have you managed to unearth those mysterious biological factors

Akin1212:
Lmao, you're yet to really understand the human nature. So you haven't seen humans, esp men fvucking a hole on the wall? You haven't seen women, fuvking inanimate objects like bottles and cucumbers? Who told you that humans are not subject to instincts? Are you thinking this through before responding or replying?

A man penetrating a "hole in a wall" or, a woman intimately abusing herself with an inanimate object is instinct? And my thinking is been questioned by such a one . Truly this runs deep

Mating by dumb animals is done with an outcome in mind. As instinct driven as they are, same sex animals will never, in lieu of an opposite sex counterpart, seek to mate with one another. And, there is no evidence that demonstrates same sex animals seek to form pair bonds for sexual gratification or mating by instinct. Dumb I said, not cray-cray.

Akin1212:
Congregating at gay bars is not what defines homosexuality, homosexuality is simply the act when animals of the same sex mate, whether it is done in the bush, water, sky, on a tree or on a mattress doesn't make it less what it is. You need to understand that. Any other thing that is attached to it is a social construct of how different animals socialize.

Man who in a pure state is capable of communing with the divine, who has the imprint of God. Man who has higher consciousness and the ability to conceptualise is by reason of depravity reduced to the level of brute beast .

Mans nature now runs the gamut from the holy to the profane, from the divine to the perverted and, to justify that which is dysfunctional and abhorrent, you would place the base animalist desires of the fallen man to the fore. Denying their estate as men, they prefer to be as the beasts

Rightly Jude the Apostle spoke - 6 Remember the angels who did not stay within the limits of their proper authority, but abandoned their own dwelling place: they are bound with eternal chains in the darkness below, where God is keeping them for that great Day on which they will be condemned. 7 Remember Sodom and Gomorrah, and the nearby towns, whose people acted as those angels did and indulged in sexual immorality and perversion: they suffer the punishment of eternal fire as a plain warning to all.

Akin1212:
What do you mean by does it follow for humans? I didn't stutter when I said humans are animals, or you didn't read that clearly? Cannibalism, incest and infanticide, yeah humans do these things. Do you need to be schooled or told this in 2019? Name all you want to name, fathers have sex with their daughters, sons have sex with their mothers too, talk more of sisters to brothers. Please don't even respond again. I could see why Tingtinz ignored you now.

I have answered you above. Your warped reasoning says anything humans do is instinct. And anything instinctive is therefore deemed morally good or acceptable?

Akin1212:
Even opposite sex relationship has 100s of pathologies that are well documented, does the body abhor it too? You're just one of the homophobic people who are concerned about what does not in any way affect your life.

There are no inherent pathologies with the rightly ordered union of male and female.

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Akin1212:
The body told you that it abhors it? If it is against nature then why do other animals do it, or have you forgotten that humans are also animals?

Animals form homosexual relationships Yeh sure, they also congregate at gay bars . Who comes up with these arguments? Animals are brute beasts, driven by instinct. A dog will mate with a vacuum cleaner if no female is available. So humans are brute beasts now?

All kinds of beastly behaviour occur in the animal kingdom, Does it follow for humans to? Take your pick, cannibalism, incest and infanticide, to name a few.

And yes, the body does abhor it. The pathologies of same sex relationships are well documented. And it's more than just headaches .


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ThothHermes:
Found nothing. Maybe you'd help me.

You might want to help me with this NASA statement too

https://ericdubay./2018/07/11/total-eclipse-of-the-mind/
www.helios7.com/nasa-lost-moon-technology/

The first 2 I chanced upon - there is a ton of stuff out there. It's so settled for me now that I've moved on. Like I did with the tithe issue when I first joined NL in 2006. Internet searches tend to suppress anything questioning heliocentrism so I'm not surprised.


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Horiolah:
Lol, i for flog craze comot for ur head if to say we dey close.

I knw u knw hw a telescope work, so stop d BS. Some guys are taking u serious.

Have the ISS team been able to confirm the movement of the earth .


1 Chronicles 16:30 Tremble before him, all the earth; yes, the world is established; it shall never be moved.


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tintingz:
My goodness.
The exact causes for Homosexuality is unknown but scientists have been able to do some experiments to theorize the causes, there are like three factors brought forward. Biological factors, Environmental factors and Psychological factors.

Here is from the link I provided.

Scientists do not know what determines an individual's sexual orientation, but they theorize that it is caused by a complex interplay of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences, and do not view it as a choice. They favor biologically-based theories, which point to genetic factors, the early uterine environment, both, or the inclusion of genetic and social factors. Hypotheses for the impact of the post-natal social environment on sexual orientation, however, are weak, especially for males. There is no substantive evidence which suggests parenting or early childhood experiences play a role with regard to sexual orientation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality

I thought you even read through the link. A scientific theory does not equate to weak research.

And everything that occur in nature cannot be eradicate, as long as it doesn't hurt fellow human why having problem with it? If a gay is kind and good to people why do you think he must be jailed or killed?

Please don't give me headache this evening.

"Scientists do not know, they theorize, they favour"? You now claim experiments have been carried out. What did these experiments conclude?

I never said anything about eradicating everything in nature. Neither did I mention sanctions against "gay" people - let alone jailing or killing. My entry point was around the etiology of homosexuality, which you asserted was partly biological. Whereby I asked you to kindly enunciate what the biological factors were.

Research that is inconclusive and leaves scientists not knowing, theorising and favouring is inconclusive - i.e. weak. Please don't have a headache, you already sound wound up. I shall leave it.


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Horiolah:
Are u alright You can see d iss from earth with a telescope.

So where is it? What altitude? Can you determine its size using a telescope? Apparently it is in "low earth orbit" weightless and travelling at over 28'000kmph. Moving so fast the crew experience 16 sunsets and sunrises each day.

All dis moofment - my head dey spin jare. The earth doesn't though .

Amos 9:6 who builds his upper chambers in the heavens and founds his vault upon the earth; who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out upon the surface of the earth— the Lord is his name.


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tintingz:
You're just attacking straws.

Didn't I said we don't fully understand this phenomena in my premise?

Here is what is said.


https://www.nairaland.com/4984542/homosexuality/2#75148777


https://www.nairaland.com/4984542/homosexuality/2#75148856

Go through the premise before you attack fallacies.

Nature doesn't need to have purpose, nature doesn't need to be all positive!

You clearly asserted that homosexuality has biological factors. I asked that you state what they are. Don't backtrack. Citing theories and what "scientists" believe amounts to very little.

Either it is known, not known, or known in part. You have managed to claim not known and known in part, without being abe to outline the part (biological) you claim to be known. And then citing nature, as if everything that occurs in "nature" is somehow morally justified.



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ThothHermes:
Are you saying there's no ISS?

No, there probably is. Where it is is the question?

ThothHermes:
Now you are reaching? A lunar eclipse is a distinct event that can be predicted to the exact time of occurrence. A Google search will tell you when the next will happen in your vicinity.

And, there is documented evidence of the sun and moon both being seen during a lunar eclipse. Also googleable

ThothHermes:
Is the flat earth floating in space?

Psalm 104:5 He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved. That's a no!

ThothHermes:
Are you saying space travel has never happened?

What is space? And where does it begin? Biblically I don't believe we can escape the hard firmament. Nasa now says we can't escae the van allen belt - after having supposedly traversed it a half doxzen or so times during the Apollo missions


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