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ThothHermes:
TV01
You seem to have an answer for everything.

What do you make of photos from the International Space Station?

Also, how would lunar eclipses occur on a flat earth?

At all - I just cross-reference against the bible, then look closely at things that contradict it.

ISS - situation faked, output fabricated. As were the Moon landings, China's claim to land on the dark side of the moon and most "Space Agency" output.

Lunar eclipse on a flat earth. Not totally clear, but both sun and moon have been sighted at the same time as the lunar eclipse - something like 50 times over the last 500 years. Some posit that it could be other heavenly bodies that we are unaware of. There are 2 named in ancient Indian mythology, Ketu and Rahu I believe.


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EMILO2STAY:
am beginning to believe in this flat earth thing ohh.
there was a video I watched on YouTube which actually show that the sun is local. I was thought in school that the sun is soo big it can contain a1000 earth sized matter, but I now know this is pure lie.

Persist in seeking truth bro'...you can't go wrong.

The sun and the moon are both local and in some ways act like the hands on a cosmic clock - giving rise to night and day and the seasons. They are both luminaries, created by The Most High to provide light to the earth.

The sun is not 93,000,000 million miles away or over 1.25 million times the size of the earth. Indeed the sun and moon are similar sizes and distances away. They are both within the firmament of the heaven, as are the stars.

Job 28:24 For he looks to the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens. (flat!)


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Horiolah:
Lol, why are you exposing the Bible like this na.

Romans 3:4 Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar...

Horiolah:
TV the real clown.

1 Corinthians 1:18-31 [ Christ the Power and Wisdom of God ] For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.” Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

Horiolah:
I thought he was for real until I started reading his Bible quotes.

Amos 9:6 Who builds his upper chambers in the heavens and founds his vault upon the earth; who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out upon the surface of the earth— the LORD is his name.

nwabekeyi:
He is really bad at it. He is playing the ignoramus to me

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen. The bold is only possible on a flat earth


Do you have any evidence for motion? Are you able to prove your belief that the earth is rotating at 1'000mph, orbiting at 67'000mph, with a galaxy moving at over 500'000mph, which is in turn moving through the universe at near 1'2million mph? Anything we can discern? Anything you can empirically demonstrate. Can you provide a scientific (observable, testable, repeatable, falsifiable) methodology for your measurements.


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tintingz:
Please educate yourself on sexual orientation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation

Always happy to learn something new

Having educated myself, with the reference you kindly provided, it is clear that "sexual orientation" is nothing more than social shorthand for categorising sexual behaviour. It is no more scientific than a predilection for native over western attire. Or say a preference for rice over noodles. At best one can state that the cause is unknown, not proclaim that it is "scientifically proven" to be due to one thing or another.

I quote;

The term sexual preference largely overlaps with sexual orientation. Scientists do not know the exact cause of sexual orientation, but they theorize that it is caused by a complex interplay of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences.They favor biologically-based theories

tintingz:
Please Educate yourself on Homosexuality and it factors.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality

Apart from subject differences the referenced page literally mirrored the one above. Again, I quote;

Scientists do not know what determines an individual's sexual orientation, but they theorize that it is caused by a complex interplay of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences, and do not view it as a choice.They favor biologically-based theories,

What we can say for sure is that the complementarity of male/female is ontologically self-evident. And we don't need dubious statements from "science so called" to deduce that. Further, we see that the correctly ordered sexual union of male and female has an outcome.

Now, having said that, even if it could be confirmed as genetic, congenital or deemed natural, that speaks nothing to the morality of the behaviour, as science (and I mean proper empirical science, not the pseudo type referenced to legitimise the abnormal), is no arbiter of morality.

Always happy to educate myself and at once school the unlearned .


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nwabekeyi:
Everything you need to know about it is online. I really think is stressful trying to elucidate a scientific experiment to someone who doesnt have prior science knowledge. If you dont understand how radiotelescopy works then i can no longer have a scientific conversation with you.

You problem is that you dont know science

So, you have run these experiments and, without any presuppositions or an agenda, and conclusively demonstrated that the earth moves on its axis at 1'000mph. Surely that is distillable in non-technical jargon for the non-scientific such as myself? Otherwise to believe your claims is no different to the approach I take with the bible, by faith.

Why should I swap faith in one for the other just because you claim to conducted an experiment which proves your claims but yet are unable to outline it? It is clear that the sun, moon and stars that move, do so around the earth

1 Timothy 6:4
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

Maybe the problem is that you believe you have knowledge and understanding, but you don't know God


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nwabekeyi:
If you have a spectroscopy that can measure red shift in respect to motion, you will ascertain how galaxies move.

you cant sit in your room and make conclusions, people are out there working hard to make things work for you and I. Get this equipment and do the work yourself

Why not share your empirical evidence. Detail what you set out to demonstrate and the outcome. Any presumptions or control factors. Shouldn't be too difficult. In language that is not too technical please.

nwabekeyi:
You are ignorant and you keep arguing, a radiotelescope can actually help ascertain how the earth moves. Without proper calculation of how the earth spins, you cant use a radiotelescope.... it wont work


i have tried the experiment and it proves that the earth rotates, maybe you can try it. If you need some help, i will be glad to help you.

As above, please share. What exactly you did, the assumptions, and the evidence that it demonstrates what you claim it does, as opposed to what you set out to prove. How fast and at what angle is this rotation that you personally evidenced?


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nwabekeyi:
Yes, i do.

you can do it from your bed room if you own a telescope. i dont even think you have one.

get a telescope and you wont even ask such question online

Please present the evidence. A telescope will show the movement of the heavenly bodies, not the movement of the earth.

nwabekeyi:
Also do a Foucault’s Pendulum experiment if you have a primary scientific knowledege

Have you carried out this experiment? If so please evidence and detail your findings. What did it demonstrate?


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nwabekeyi:
these are not observations and assumption, they are proven facts and it is so whether you accept it or not.

ICT will not work without orbiting satellites and a spinning earth.

Coriolis effects cannot work in a stationery earth, you need read about how it works as only spinning object posses coriolis effect (read up)

Life on a stationery earth is impossible as electromagnetic field will not be generated and the will all die from solar wind.

As a matter of facts, nothing in the universe is stationery, little read up will help you understand how it works. There is no need denying something because we are ignorant about how it works.



At the stage of civilization, we should not be educating learned people on this subject matter, with your telescope you can see the International space station in the night sky orbiting the earth. Let's dont sound ridiculous because we want to argue...

Do you have any evidence for motion? Are you able to prove your belief that the earth is rotating at 1'000mph, orbiting at 67'000mph, with a galaxy moving at over 500'000mph, which is in turn moving through the universe at near 1'2million mph? Anything we can discern? Anything you can empirically demonstrate. Can you provide a scientific (observable, testable, repeatable, falsifiable) methodology for your measurements.


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nwabekeyi:
Time zone
day and night
coriolis effects
footages from the ISS
orbiting satellites
internet services
electromagnetic waves
solstices and eqinoxes
Wind movement

etc are all proofs that the earth is not stationery and rotates about its axis

Your assumptions as to how what we experience, or observe, fits with what you believe, is not proof, just opinion. However, I'll take the first few;

Day & Night - we see the sun move which it does, orbiting the earth. It is small, local and lights up part of the earth at any one point/time. Hence day and night on a flat stationary earth.

Coriolis effect - has been observed to go either way in either hemisphere

Footage from the ISS - please show it to us

Orbiting satellites - orbiting what? where? (at what altitude) show us examples.

Do you have any evidence for motion? Are you able to prove your belief that the earth is rotating at 1'000mph, orbiting at 67'000mph, with a galaxy moving at over 500'000mph, which is in turn moving through the universe at near 1'2million mph? Anything we can discern? Anything you can empirically demonstrate. Can you provide a scientific (observable, testable, repeatable, falsifiable) methodology for your measurements.


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tintingz:
Homosexuality is part of sexual orientation and we don't fully understand this phenomena.

What is sexual orientation? Sex is a biomechanical act. It is functional, to which the ontology of the human body fully attests. Whatever this "orientation" is, if it does not accord with functionality is that not in some way discordant?

tintingz:
Like i said pica has very little biological findings, it is consider a mental disorder.

Homosexuality has biological factors and two other factors, we still fully don't understand why people are gay just like how we don't fully understand why we yawn.

Nature doesn't have to be positive or purposeful, nature is nature and there's nothing we can do about it.

Pray tell, what are these verifiable biological factors?


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Horiolah:
Lol, na real weyrey u be.

Your subjective pronouncement on my mental condition - which I totally reject by the way - is no evidence of the earths motion or shape. Or is it?

Do you have any evidence for motion? Are you able to prove your belief that the earth is rotating at 1'000mph, orbiting at 67'000mph, with a galaxy moving at over 500'000mph, which is in turn moving through the universe at near 1'2million mph? Anything we can discern? Anything you can empirically demonstrate. Can you provide a scientific (observable, testable, repeatable, falsifiable) methodology for your measurements. Or is it blind faith

What about the shape? Show us the curvature or water curving. Show us something observable for the claimed spherical shape or evidence, or an experiment.

Make the earth move for me bro'

Daniel 4:11
The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth. (the whole of a globe earth cannot see a tree no matter how high it grows)

Isaiah 38:8
Behold, I will make the shadow cast by the declining sun on the dial of Ahaz turn back ten steps.” So the sun turned back on the dial the ten steps by which it had declined. (the sun moves, not the earth - its, small, local and acts like a spotlight, covering no more than half the earth at any one time/point)

Matthew 4:8
Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. (one cannot see the whole of a globe no matter how high one ascends)


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Horiolah:
Answer d simple question, why can't we see diz local sun at night with a telescope but galaxies billions of light year away??

At every point during a 24 hour day - the suns orbiting cycle - half the earth experiences sunlight. Because of it's size - small - and distance away - far - and "spotlight" effect, it cannot be seen in the unlit parts. It has set, that is , is out of sight and it's light no longer seen, at which part the lesser light of the moon and stars are in the ascendance. Simples .

Horiolah:
Do u even knw d size of the earth??
If you can't see Tokyo from the top of Burj khalifa with a telescope or binocular, and u believe d earth is flat. I can't help you.

The Lord is mine help . The human high has limited sight. Plus atmospheric conditions also limit visual distances and clarity. Even on a perfectly clear day, the human eye can only see so far. It's not rocket science (see what I did there?) .

Psalm 19:4-6
Their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them He has set a tent for the sun, which comes out like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and, like a strong man, runs its course with joy. Its rising is from the end of the heavens, and its circuit to the end of them, and there is nothing hidden from its heat.


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Oga, good morning sir,

has evidence of the earths movement or shape arrived overnight Any vision of the night with deep revelation there

OpenYourEyes1:
You think like a kid my friend. You really expect the Bible to be technical or scientific on these things, like telling the ancient Jews that water is made of hydrogen & oxygen and has no form? And if water is described as formed in the Bible because it takes the shape of its container, you will yell at the Book that it is false description.

The ancient Jews - ancient peoples in general - were much more intelligent and closer to the divine than people of today. Having said that, how technical does "water finding its level have to be . Water does not curve, nor does it hold to a round object. It would either pool to the bottom or slide off, especially if that object was spinning like crazy in multiple directions .

OpenYourEyes1:
By the way, sphere has no edge yet the modern world still uses words like North, South, East and West for areas on Earth. Can you explain why?

That is ancient wisdom. The truth of flatness has been replaced by the lie of sphericity, but language can be harder to change. Descriptors will almost always accord to observation. The sun "rises" and "sets", we fly in the air over a plane "aeroplane" etc.


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Horiolah:
Dude both where used and they arrived at the same answer, oh you thought they were looking with their naked eyes?? They're not as dumb as u think.

There is no curve. Spherical geometry on "a planet" of the earths size indicates a curve of 8 inches per square mile. This has never been demonstrated and, is frequently falsified by being able to view objects between long distances which should be under the curve and out of sight.

Horiolah:
I just know say u be troll.

At all sir - I'm a "Flactivist" Any evidence there .

Romans 3:4...Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar.

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Horiolah:
Set to where??

Wow, what is this??

Guy u need to fart more, if you don't they'll travel up ur spine to your brain. That's where shitty_ ideas come from.

Bruv truss me, when I fart is the only time the earth moves. Otherwise it's stationary

Ecclesiastes 1:5
The sun rises, and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.

Psalm 93:1
The Lord reigns; he is robed in majesty; the Lord is robed; he has put on strength as his belt. Yes, the world is established; it shall never be moved.


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Horiolah:
NAT geo wild did a test to check if the earth is flat or not. They placed a big white board with four different colour stripes on a boat, as the boat goes farther, the stripe at the bottom appears to be in the water. That's curvature bro.

No mate, it's perspective and possibly a degree of refraction - water does not curve. It always finds it's level. A telescope or binoculars would bring it right back into view. There is no curvature. The earth is a plane .

Isaiah 40:22
It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;

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Horiolah:
If you think that's funny then you have no idea how big the earth is, let alone d universe.

Let's agree on the motion and shape first. Any evidence .


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Horiolah:
If we can see galaxies billions of light year away, why can't we see diz small, local sun you're talking about ??

You can You see it every day as it "rises" and "sets" - i.e. orbits the earth

Horiolah:
Let me just say diz, God said he created two lights for earth. The bigger and lesser light, that's the sun and the moon. That shit_ is incorrect cuz d moon is no light.

Both the sun and moon are luminaries. Giving off their own unique light.

Horiolah:
The crescent is possible cuz the earth is blocking some part of the moon from sunlight, you see crescent or half of the moon cuz that's d only part reflecting the sunlight.

The moon does not reflect the suns light. It gives off it own light.


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Horiolah:
Lol

Is that funnier than a belief that the earth rotates at 1'000mph on it's axis, whilst orbiting the sun at 67'000mph, with both as part of our milky way moving through our galaxy at over 500'000mph. And it is claimed that the galaxy is moving at 1.3 million mph as part of the universe. Yet none of these movements can be observed or demonstrated.

Meanwhile, a clearly observable sun - and a moon - locally orbiting our earth is derided as not empirical .

Jeremiah 31:35
Thus says the Lord, who gives the sun for light by day and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar— the Lord of hosts is his name:


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Horiolah:
If truly the sun orbit around the flat earth, then we should be able to see d sun with the telescope at night.

The sun is not seen at night as it is out of sight - along with it's light. As explained, the sun is local and smaller than the earth.

Horiolah:
Crescent moon is not possible on a flat earth, do you even know why we see crescent ??

Why not? Why??

Horiolah:
What you're trying to say is every other planets are round, but ours is a circular disc.

The bible makes no mention of planets. Only the earth, the sun, he moon and the stars. Sometimes "heavenly bodies and "constellations of stars", which it sometimes calls by name.

Psalm 147:4-5
He determines the number of the stars; he gives to all of them their names. Great is our Lord, and abundant in power; his understanding is beyond measure.

Amos 5:8
He who made the Pleiades and Orion, and turns deep darkness into the morning and darkens the day into night, who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out on the surface of the earth, the Lord is his name;


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OpenYourEyes1:
“Have you ever in your life commanded the morning, and caused the dawn to know its place; That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, That the wicked might be shaken out of it? It [the earth] is turned as clay to the seal; And they [the wicked] stand forth as a garment" Job 38:12-14

Earth rotation as described by jobs

Job

12
“Have you ever given orders to the morning,
or shown the dawn its place,
13
that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?
14
The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
its features stand out like those of a garment.

No. Can a sphere possess edges or ends?That is evidence of a flat earth. a seal bore the symbol of the writer (creator) of a document and was impressed upon clay, sealing the document and signifying it's author (maker).

The earth is essentially a flat plain with it's features - land, seas, highland, lowlands etc. - standing in relief. You can deny the flat earth, or resort to alternative cosmologies, but you cannot debunk it using the bible. It is a flat earth book through and through .

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=clay+under+seal&FORM=HDRSC2


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OpenYourEyes1:
Weak arguments.
How would you have described the Joshua event? Even modern world still uses the terms 'sun rise and sun set' or "sun moves from East to West"

It is perfectly clear as stated. Yes it does - the sun moves as observed in a circular orbit over the earth plane.

The sun orbits the earth - as does the moon. As it approaches, the viewer has the sense of it rising and growing in size. Likewise, when it is receding, it appears to lower and shrink. Hence the terms "rise" and "set".Basic perspective. Think horizon and vanishing point.

The sun is not 93m miles away or 110 times the size of the earth. The sun and moon are roughly the same size, which is smaller that the earth they orbit. And within the firmament above the earth, as are the stars. The sun acts almost like a spotlight, hence only half the earth plane is lit at any one time.

OpenYourEyes1:
"On the day the LORD gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the LORD in the presence of Israel: as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day."
Joshua 10:12-13

It delayed going down as it halted in it's movement. So the lighting effect held and the perspective did not change. "In the middle of the sky" because it is not 150m km away, but within the earths firmament .

OpenYourEyes1:
1 Chronicles 16:30:
"Tremble before him, all the earth! The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved."

How is this about the movement of the earth?

Cosmology is a whole. Biblical cosmology says the earth is motionless, flat and is orbited by the sun. The commonly held belief is that it moves, is spherical and orbits the sun. Both positions cannot be right. Simply demonstrate empirically, with proof, that the earth moves and the whole bible position collapses. I stand to be corrected and disabused of my faith.

Genesis 1:14-18
And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so. And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.

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Horiolah:
Ok. So the sun orbit around the earth and nt around the center of the milky way?

That's correct.

God created the earth, the sun, the moon and the stars. Stars I believe are multi-varied in nature - some move, others are stationary, some emit light, possibly some do not. Some are creatures or capable of expression. Nothing about the solar system or a milky way.


"The heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament sheweth His handwork".


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Horiolah:
Can a star move??

Hi. Yes is the short answer


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nwabekeyi:
nice write up but your conclusion is faulted. It doesn't matter if you believe in the Bible or not, what matters are the facts presented. From the verifiable facts we have, the bible is totally wrong as regards the shape of the earth...

After all, internet cannot even work on a flat earth, you won't be able to reply this text if the earth were flat

Thank you for your kind words.

I would appreciate your outlining a few of these verifiable facts that demonstrate the bible is wrong regards the shape of the earth. As I started with the earths state of motion - stationary - it would be good if you could present verifiable proof of the earths rotation and/or orbit.

Emusan:
Bible is a book you can make it says what you want it to say.

The message of the Bible is salvation to the world...

The second point absolutely. The first true in a manner of speaking. But what the bible says about the motion and shape of the earth cannot be gainsaid - indeed, one thing you cannot discern from the bible is a sperical axial-rotating and sun-orbiting earth.

Kcgeology:
from mere observation, it seems d sun actually moves, but scientifically proven, it is d earth that moves round d sun. to d eyes of joshua, it was d sun that seems to be mobile, thus his prayer. if god were to reveal to him that it was d other way round, it wud have been impossibl to comprehend. it was actually galileo that debunked the belief that d earth was d centre of d universe via his telescope. man was given a mandate to conquer d world. scientific inovations such as satellite imagery throw more light on our universe. if u are a believer, science will make u acknowledge the power of god, if u are not a believer, science is one sure ticket to madness coz it will strengthen ur belief that god is a fairy tale. cheers

The sun moves as observed, as does the moon. Over and around a circular earth with variations which give rise to seasons. Please show the conclusive and verifiable evidence that the earth moves - in any way shape or form, let alone around the sun.

Acknowledging the power of God - however that comes about - is great. I would also suggest that a) one doesn't need science to do that b) what is falsely called science does not do that and c) denying God in order to affirn things just because they are labelled science could have dire consequences.


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MuttleyLaff:
TV01, real pleasure seeing you dive in.

At all. The pleasure is all mine. Happy to see versed and enquiring minds discussing .

MuttleyLaff:
The book of Enoch writing are referenced in the Bible by Peter and Jude not as a form of endorsing it but actually the mentioned parts of the book of Enoch in their letters was done to demystify to stories of angels impregnating human beings myths and stories that were going the rounds in and around that time.

I disagree. It appears to me that Jude is actually using the writing of Enoch to buttress his points. Pray tell, where does Peter refer to Enoch?

MuttleyLaff:
Jude and Peter scolded people believing this story and even charged them of slandering the angels, further saying even fellow angels wouldn't think of slandering angels of what they are accused of.

I disagree. In fact I totally fail to see how you arrive at this conclusion from the text?

MuttleyLaff:
I too aside the good book, read the bad and ugly books, that Book of Enoch is one nasty piece of work, that you literally do a SMH every now and then when reading it. No wonder, Paul too, aside Jude and Peter, warned against all these Jewish myths like including this one, doing the rounds back then and still does today.

Like I said, I believe Jude referenced Enoch to make his point. I don't see where Paul or Peter warned against Enoch specifically. I'd be interested to understand why you feel the Enochian writings are bad, misleading or not aligned with scripture?

MuttleyLaff:
Also "sons of God" incorrectly is popularly believed to be about angels and this is woefully untrue.

In the OT I believe all but one of the usages of this term referred to angels. So, even if it was wrong in this instance - which I personally don't believe it was, "woefully untrue" would be reaching to to say the least.

MuttleyLaff:
Another thing is the Nephilim, they were the fallen ones, who happen to be off the lineage of Cain and incidentally were giants.

I see no scriptural backing for this. The first reference to the Nephilim is at the point that the sons of God took wives of the sons of men...."and after this" also.

Genesis 6 King James Version (KJV)
1 it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them - men multiplied and had daughters, as plain as can be, men, human beings, without any kind of categorisation

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. From your reading, this is saying the sons of men saw the daughters of men and married them. Not beings that were not men, saw, desired and took the daughters of men?

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. It was this co-habitation between Angels and human females that gave rise to the giants and, the presence of giants persisted after that time.

MuttleyLaff:
Their population alarmingly increased when the the sons of God, who really are human beings who kept themselves originally pure and of a Seth descendant found the beauty of the daughters of men sexually attractive to and so went into them, ending up having burly kids that also are now smart.

The Sethian school of thought is not one I agree with. I actually think it's dangerous - having once held it as taught - potentially leading one to miss whole swathes of events and Gods plan to restore things.

MuttleyLaff:
So TV01, putting your head on the line, you believe that angels have capabilities to have sex with human beings and procreate giving children, right?

Yes, and I believe the Bible says as much.

Here's one for you what sin did those referenced in Jude 6 commit?

^{Jude 6:"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day".}


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Ihedinobi3:
Big bro TV!! It's very good to read from you here. Thank you for chipping in. And for your very kind greetings. I have been, by God's good grace. And He continues to open a road out for my feet everyday. I hope that you have been well, sir.

Very well thanks bro. Loved the brief testimony you shared. May you persist in His presence...

nwabekeyi:
I really do not know if the bible has backing for spheroid or flat earth theory.
If anyone has scripture verses that explains the global earth model, you can share.

I really want to know what believers think about the flat and the global model form of earth....


Which do you support based on your belief and what it apparently evident?

In the first instance the bible is explicit in stating that the earth is stationary. That alone contradicts the commonly accepted/taught belief that the earth is rotating on it's axis and orbiting the sun. Indeed the book of Joshua (10:12-13), it talks about the sun and moon stopping in their movements over the earth. This is totally opposite what would be considered the prevailing scientific view of our time.

1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”
Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...”
Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”
Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”
Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...”

Secondly, the first chapter, and not far beyond the first few verses, state clearly that the earth was created before the sun and moon, which are but lights for the earth. That also is beyond the pale in relation what is generally presented as the scientific consensus.

Thirdly, the bible speaks of something severally called the firmament, the dome, the vault of heaven, which suggests a physical hard canopy or tent like covering over, and, to the "ends of the earth" - which the bible also talks about. Inside which the sun, moon and stars reside. This presents all sorts of problems with what is considered current scientific consensus, inter-alia, distances from the earth and the nature of the sun, moon and stars, space travel, moon-landings, the works.

Fourthly, there is nothing to even suggest the earth is spherical or a globe, let alone moving in any direction. Many scriptures allude to the whole being in view form heaven at once, most notable being the devil taking the Lord up to a high mountain and showing "all the kingdoms of the earth.

It is not just flatness here, for which I believe the weight of scripture comes to bear, it's the whole of biblical cosmology. Indeed it's the whole of the bible. If the first chapter is wrong, faulty or erroneous, what value any of it as absolute truth? How can Christ, who referenced the creation event be trusted, or assuredly be whom He claims if the foundational basis is false?

I believe that biblical cosmology and a number of basic doctrines are fundamentally discordant with scientific positions and, there is no clear or honest way to reconcile them.

What do I think about the flat or global model of earth? In the first instance nothing, I believe the bible. I may misunderstand it, misinterpret it, or even misapply it. however, I believe it and I believe God who inspired it. Let God alone be true and every man a liar.


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Elder0001:
If you marry men like acidosis ,tv01/tv101 and LordKO no matter how rich you are they’ll try to subjugate you . Because their ego rests on your subservience to them .

Men like acidosis can’t thrive with a financially independent woman who has no need for his self acclaimed protection and provision.

It's TV01 Hope your spouse comes soon. And that your eyes clear first. Or at least the practicalities of your ideology hold true

And no, it's absolutely irrelevant if a woman is financially independent prior to marriage. Indeed, not many men are and, often, it's the combination of income and labour from both parties that make marriage a viable proposition and going concern.

One's financial status will not necessarily speak to their commitment, maturity or vision. All decidedly more important than financial capability, which does have it's place admittedly, but is not in and of itself determinant.

Marriage is not about independence, it's about inter-dependence. Once you get that and are mature and committed this poser eases to exist as a real consideration. Indeed, this thinking is better termed "financial independence after marriage", as that is what it is mostly about isn't it?


For those of you who are true of heart and desirous of marriage, be wise. Don't be caught up in fallacies, erroneous notions or ill-founded and distracting considerations. Beware the interjections of the ignorant and/or bitter.


Singing "money ain't a thang "


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Evening Gents,

Do some heavenly beings, specifically angels in this case, have sexual feelings? A mute point methinks. Sexual capability is more the question I feel. Whether the follow through was based on "feelings" or some other wider ranging desire.

This is detailed in Genesis 6, where the "sons of God, came into the daughters of men", which gave rise to the Nephilim, the fallen ones, who were indeed giants, but much besides.

Enochs writings are referenced in the scriptures and the book of Enoch, while not generally considered canonical, is in at least one canon and, non-canonicity does not in itself render writings untrue or untrustworthy. It goes into greater detail about this angelic incursion which led to mixed offspring, including the motivation, the result, the consequences and the judgement.

Not only does it align with the biblical narrative, but also other 2nd temple era Jewish writings. Indeed, most antique mythologies of that era and region can be traced back to the genesis 6 incursion. Think the Annunaki of Babylon, the Titans of Greece etc. I would heartily recommend other pseudepigrapha, especially those referenced in the Bible. I've also read Jasher - which was a great read to say the least - and aim to get round to Jubilees at some point.

Noah was without blemish. I believe this was more about physical purity than spiritual. The bible recounts how "all flesh" was corrupt. The ultimate consequence of this could have been to derail "the promise to the seed". Enoch could in effect be part of that lineage, as he was not physically corrupt.

I think it's also worth noting that the slander against God for what has been described as the wilfully capricious and genocidal instructions to totally annihilate some of the tribes of Canaan speak to this. They were descendants of the giants, not fully human or redeemable by the Lords sacrifice and, inter-marrying with them would have potentially catastrophic ramifications for the seed line.

All in all good to see that it's not just tithing that is in view and proper discussions still happen here.


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^{...Ihedinobi3, I had no intention of posting but was so made up by seeing you here, just had to stop by and extend my warmest regards. I trust you are journeying well. God bless...}

SLOVFO:
I am a 37 years old man that is about to court and marry a 20 year old lady. The lady in question came highly recommended by close friends and she is quite matured for her age. The parents are also willing to let her go. But i am hesitant, as i consider the age difference between the two of us. Moreso, she is just in her year one in a higher institution.

Please I need the opinions and advise of experienced folks.

Hi SLOVFO, good evening, please allow me to say a few words.

the short answer to your question is Yes! It's also no! There is no playbook or necessarily a template. Every relationship is unique and subject to it's own particulars. Ask yourself, what are those of this relationship?

Funny how politics, religion, and discourse generally, tends to take positions of extremity or polarity these days? Some have said a resounding no and explained why, others an emphatic yes, and given their reasons.

Someone said age is a factor. No it is not. It's maturity, it's vision, it's the wherewithal to think long-term and understand the realities of what is important for a flourishing relationship and satisfying life well lived. If one understands that at 20, they are good to go, if they don't at 40, then halt proceedings immediately.

As a rule, I always counsel a decent age gap for men over their wives. I have 10+ years over my wife, and as it so happens, my wife's younger sisters husband is older than me. The gap between them is 17 years in fact and, in as much as I can vouch, they are doing just fine.

I have someone else close to me who married in his mid thirties to a someone a few years younger - they didn't make it past the 1 year mark. Don't listen to those saying "marry your mate". A post like this will always trigger the older, desperately seeking female who suddenly realises what she is up against - it's good you brought this here, but be discerning who you take counsel from.

If she has been well oriented by her family, upbringing and experience, is past the risky "flighty" stage, or will not/never, as some don't, go through it, and you can match that with the requisite qualities of your own, it's a match.

Just the two words of caution. One is patience, you will possibly still have to give her room to blossom in some ways. Well oriented and mature enough for marriage she may be, but she may need additional space and time to explore grow and adapt in some respects. The only advice my BIL gives to intending couples is for the husband to have patience.

The other is health and fitness. You, if you have taken care of yourself, will be just about at or coming off your physical peak. To ensure you prolong the enjoyment of the physical aspects, and not leave her nursing you when she is just about at, or coming off hers, you need to put the effort into maintaining optimal physical vigour and well-being. Like seriously.

Some of those yahoo-yahoo, slay-queen tales are quite disturbing, To forestall any possibility of that, if you believe, honour The Lord in your search for a spouse. I can corroborate the stories to a degree, and it was The Lord who delivered me and set me aright. I personally wouldn't take my own advice without that foundation

I wish you all the best. You sound like a great guy. Humble and mature. Someone who would make a terrific husband.


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laura8:
You make seem so simple..
But its not
Or?? Is it?

The short answer to that is "yes". The slightly longer answer is "yes, but sometimes with varying degrees of effort".

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