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shaybebaby:
Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Don't hang about, do it now

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^{...although you won't be able to hide your black identity with that thick accent}

zimunachimdi:
are you saying people are born gay?

misspicy:
please answer it,are people born gay

jnrbayano:
Nne, I stoutly disagree with "being born gay"
How is this possible?

Don't hold your breath waiting for answers. She just sells the ideology. She doesn't really understand it, can't explain it, or, deep down, truly believe it. All na "to appear" .

@OP timely message. Children will always be key for this evil campaign. Nurture plays a pivotal role in "sodomy". Guard the hearts of the lil' ones.

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crackhaus:
You don't know the meaning of the word, not to mention the right context to use it.

Abi . You know he's just throwing words in to impress the tingle seekers. I'm leaving this punk to you, lest I hurt him .

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shaybebaby:
Nigerian men and always looking for people to own like handbags.

Hush your mouth. If owning was indeed the aim, who would want you

shaybebaby:
That's why more and more black sisters are widening their dating pool. What I don't get is why you keep getting a headache over other people's choices?

Quiet. Brothas have been taking their pick of females from wherever since whenever . Simple truth is, black men are higher up the hierarchy than black women. No one denies you your choice, but denigrating those that patently did not choose you by way of validation, merely portrays your own utter lack of self-worth.

shaybebaby:
In real life, I would avoid you if I came across you because we are chalk and cheese. Your views are yours, own them but please don't try to dictate my choices, na your life?

Who on earth is dictating your life choices. Better have a 1-on-1 with your conscience . I merely postulate my personal positions. No one is compelled to buy or even consider, plus challenge is more than welcome . And we no fit jam, I don't run in the poorer parts of East London

shaybebaby:
If you chose someone who is happy to exchange her brain for a marriage certificate, good for the both of you.

Choking on green-eyed Jelosi. Let me rev it up for you!

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Mindfulness:
The leaders of countries with the strongest economies in the world - enough investment.

Really? You are so basic in your thinking and shallow in understanding. They are political leaders - it's just a job. And one that is given to fortuitous events. And, how they actually perform, and their judgement in the light of history is the true test, not merely holding office.

Secondly, and as I said earlier,in times of relative peace, bingo the wonder dog could occupy the seat of power in a typical Western nation. It's in times of crises that discerning and bold leadership is required. And what does Merkel do? Open arms to the inimical and murderous culture that could see the end of Germany - and greater Europe - as we know it.

And they have no future stake. Not only are they childless, they are doing nothing to protect and promulgate what they received from their forefathers.

Mindfulness:
There is no guarantee kids will want to stay around a bitter, insecure, control-freak of a father who repeats himself like a broken record and is not able to come to terms with development and progress.

As ever, your failure to present anything telling results in ad hominem. And next day you'll be bleating about having courteous conversations in here

And there is a greater guarantee that my kids will remain faithful to what I hand down to them because; 1. I will train them thoroughly in their faith traditions and cultural heritage 2. they are my kids, not some I stole along with their daddy, 3. I won't abandon them or their mother. They are being raised in a loving intact biological family within a wider network of strong kinship relationships.

Boo yah!


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^{...old bird on heat}

shaybebaby:
1) not being British born doesn't mean you cannot be British. Stop letting your insecurities cloud your understanding.

Born, bred and buttered on this beautiful Isle . And it's your insecurities that are on full display - validating yourself by rejecting black .

shaybebaby:
2) any one who is in an interracial relationship exercises their choice, what's my business who anyone decides to get with? You should learn to keep your nose out of things that ain't your business.

And I've been in "interracial" relationships as you term them. But I don't see one "race" as superior or try and sell them as better. That is truly colour-blind. Colour - white - is actually the fundamental basis of your choices.

shaybebaby:
3) Biological shmiologimental, you really should unclench your butt, life is much more beautiful when you allow some love and give love to everyone you come into contact with. I love all children, biological or not and hate to see anyone in pain. But...again, your stance limits the spreading of your hate to those within your immediate sphere, I cannot complain, there is some small comfort to be derived from that.

Be quiet, having a different moral stance is not hate, having a different opinion is not a crime. And like you co-jihadist, in lieu of a strong case, you want to use the power of the law to quieten any dissent. Shaybebaby ko, crybaby ni

shaybebaby:
4) I don't need to go to a police station, I can do it online and point them here to your handle.

You are a real bore,you know that

shaybebaby:
5) I have posted my baby's picture before when I felt like sharing and I won't do it now because I have nothing to prove. He is better looking and a better man than you would ever be, I know this and that is all that counts.

Yes na, 10x better looking, and 10 times the man. Only, he's not yours is he? That's the whole point, with no commitment, he can be in the next bed tomorrow. And mark my words, he marrying Maria from back home, not you "Folake" !

shaybebaby:
Wouldn't dream of buttering you up, applying butter on sh1t still wouldn't make it edible.
No, they are children, their own persons and beautiful as they are.

Be as pious as you like - e pain am


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...unfiancé him...sharply!

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shaybebaby:
Such gorg innocent cuties.. Shame about their father.

Thank you. But quit trying to butter me up. Post and let's see what the noise is about - or forever hold your peace

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shaybebaby:
Loooooool! And then posts pictures of himself with ishan like that of the agberos at idumota!
Followed by a sly dig at my partner, threatened much when I have never and will never cast aspersions on yours, don't have to..her treasure, my nightmare (trash)but each to their own, we don't all want the same things. I'm secure in that knowledge but you?
Laughing my head off.

Ps: you are NOT British born...stop lying.. Your utterances give you away.

Be quiet

Run to your nearest police station. Tell them about my crimes;
- having an intact biological family...in this day and age? - please break them up so they can be like mine
- espousing moral values and taking vows seriously - surely punishable by stoning

Until I post FP/BP of my passport abi? Illegal, married for papers benefits sponger. Oya, I don post, lets see the pix of this Eytie you won't let us hear word about.

Liar and hypocrite. If it was a black guy raving about white women y'all would scream self-esteem issues. What's your defence? Claiming love has no colour, but only being able to see white. Coconut .

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Mindfulness:
https://i.ndtvimg.com/i/2016-07/angela-and-may_650x400_71468375033.jpg

Two aged and barren women. No skin in the game, no investment in the future. Check out the future - our generations !

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shaybebaby:
But you can be locked up because you are a menace to the free society you live in, you do NOT deserve to enjoy the civil rights you neither contributed to not appreciate.

I'm a menace to purveyors of wanton permissiveness licentiousness such as yourself - GDT

shaybebaby:
You are NOT British born so you citizenship can always be revoked ( that is if you are one) and that will be a just outcome.
Or better still, do the honourable thing and remove yourself to whence you came from since you hate the ways of the west so much.

Unlike you and your "under-lorry, by-boat, across desert, people smuggled" buddy , I was born here - 100% omo onile . My ways are the ways of the West. Some just appear to have forgotten what made us great.

shaybebaby:
Nigerians be running stuff down with their mouth, yet refuse to give it up. Said it once, I'm saying it again, put your money where your mouth is and show your minions that you are uncompromising in your fanaticism. But not going to happen is it, hate preachers be running down the country but at the same time collecting state benefits.

Never held a Nigerian passport. UK of GB & I for life

Tell the police this is who they are looking for. Apologies in advance for putting you off your greasy, poor-muscles-tone, spaghetti suckers


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Mindfulness:
Why don't you write it down on a piece of paper, put it in an envelope and send it to Theresa May, YOUR childless PRIME MINISTER.

I hope she will deport you to Afghanistan, where you belong.

Per below in bold, which I pointed out earlier
And again below that, I don't care who they elect or even what they stand for

And one thing is for sure, Theresa May cannot have me deported anywhere, unlike you, I am not a "by boat migrant" . And unlike Theresa May, my generations shall inhabit this land until the Lord returns .

TV01:
I'm not bragging by the way, we just got Theresa May

You see the politics of it all is actually relatively unimportant to me. No, I don't vote in parliamentary elections, or even care who my local MEP is. I am not partisan, as none of them do His will or work to see His Kingdom come.

shaybebaby:
Wish I knew his real handle, it's not just Asians that have hate preachers. There is one here and I wish he had the guts to reveal himself in real life so I can direct the authorities to him for inciting homophobia, sexism, religious fanaticism, hatred of his adopted country, xenophobia, racism.. I could go on.Not going to happen though, the things with peeps like this is that they are cowards in real life

Mindfulness:
You just need to give the authorities a hint and his anti-constitutional remarks will be under surveillance - in fact his every move will.
There is a thick line between freedom of speech and the violation of a country's inalienable rights.

GDT' gathered together - I'm quaking in my boots. A motley crew of baby mamas, adulteresses, divorcees and "partners" . If you formed a band, we'd have to call it the "Stigmatics". Booming like darkenedrebel' piss-stained & skid marked boxers

Psalm 2: 1-5 for you. Read the KJV for an extra strength tension headache


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Mindfulness:
What conscience?

You have rightly said . But conscience or none, we will all answer.

Mindfulness:
No, it's geopolitics.

Call it what you will. Geopolitics, ideology, culture, religion, philosophy, lifestyle whatever. None of these are capable of changing the hearts of men. Black and white have lived side by side in the US for centuries. Ostensibly there is liberty for all, yet things are getting worse not better.

Whatever the way of man, it fails. Is Tribalism getting any better in your homelands? Is partisan politics doing the trick? The liberal left and the conservative right are engaged in culture wars wherever they appear. Now even male and female relationships are being toxified - and in a generic way, that ultimately harms individual families. What you have up their is a pipe dream - best smoke it

Mindfulness:
And to me, you are not much different from these Jihadists. You would also force people to do something they do not want to in the name of religion if you could.

Nice try. Archetypal with your ilk. Slander and smear tactics . I preach a gospel, it is for you to accept or reject it. Gods grace that you would, but that's in no way down to me.

And in actualising your utopia, would you not of a necessity have to force people who would prefer to be insular or parochial to remove borders, or open themselves up to what they consider alien and undesirable influences? Exactly what Merkel is doing in Deutscheland. Here is a quote from Hillary Rodham Clinton;

“Far too many women are denied access to reproductive health care and safe childbirth, and laws don’t count for much if they’re not enforced. Rights have to exist in practice — not just on paper,” Clinton said.

“Laws have to be backed up with resources and political will,” she explained. “And deep-seated cultural codes, religious beliefs and structural biases have to be changed. As I have said and as I believe, the advancement of the full participation of women and girls in every aspect of their societies is the great unfinished business of the 21st century and not just for women but for everyone — and not just in far away countries but right here in the United States.”

Effectively using the law and government agencies to remove difference in cultures, beliefs and practice to effectuate her ideology. How is that different from Jihad?

Or even your e-buddy shaybebaby, who wanted me locked up because I considered married opposite-sexed 2 parent homes to be the best for children ? People with understanding will see beyond your deceitful rhetoric.

I'm sure you've heard the news just in from Nice. RIP to the dead and condolences to their families. How close does your utopia sound now? Not if you live to be a 1'000 years old. Please don't bother posting names and citizenship of the perpetrators.


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Father.
In lieu of a father, chief men from the paternal line.
In lieu of men from the paternal line. Chief men from the maternal line.
In lieu of chief men from the maternal line...wait, who on earth marries a woman without recourse to the male hierarchy in her family?

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Mindfulness:
Save your religious doctrines to those who care to listen to this kind of nonsense.

Conscience dey pepper you abi? It barely touched on religion.

Mindfulness:
I have a vision of a world without borders where everyone can move freely. I hope I will come to see it before I die. One world, one human race!

And this is not religion? Na to sing "kumbaya" remain !

Please let us know how this "moving freely" goes with your Jihadi Fanatics. And if they enjoy the sing-a-long . The delusion is strong .


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Mindfulness:
So you were talking about the countries who can meet all of the criteria above? How many are they?

No. Only pointing out that their extremely wealthy near kith and kin have for strategic reasons of their own, refused to adhere to the GC they are also signed up to. Worth pointing out, and perhaps scrutinising, no?

Mindfulness:
And if they don't, we can neglect the historic accomplishment of a self-given promise to protect those in dire need?

There goes your blinkered hive mind again. Charity is always laudable, but at the potential cost of destroying that very thing upon which prosperity and the ability to give is based? More later.

Mindfulness:
And you want to teach others Christian values and tell others that they lost credibility - as if they care?

You keep drifting, but happy to segue from politics to faith. More later.

Mindfulness:
Jesus wept!

The shortest verse on the Bible. Please set it in context. More later, blasphemer!

Mindfulness:
Innocent until proven guilty.

Make that "ignorant & guilty"

Mindfulness:
Only people who take NL seriously can say something like that.

You are such a phony - weren't you the one wailing like a banshee when this discussion took a turn towards the EU project .


On a more serious note. I said something earlier about Europe's big problem being the plummeting fertility rate. I take that back - in a sense. In trying to be focused on the political specifics, I left out what I see to be the bigger issue.

Europe's real problem is that they forgot about God, without Whom there can be no real morality, and as a consequence strong families. Hence the falling birthrate, which is a symptom of this bigger issue.

The other symptom is the rise of what we'll call Jihadist fundamentalism - lest you go into meltdown . Indeed, JF has always been with us, but strong Christian nations, or at least strong nations with intact Judeo-Christian (or other) heritages, had a natural bulwark against them.

Now, with the loss of those JC roots - at least in any meaningful way - the double whammy, falling fertility and JF is actually doubled down, as they are forced to compensate for the FF with people from the wider JF pool. Ironic huh? Gods judgement is so sure. And yes, there will be weeping.

That is why strong nations with robust cultural heritages and traditions are important (in the EU's case JC). It's why the hive mind, based around what are at best tertiary imperatives like inclusion and diversity, are doomed to fail. So yes, your utopian vision of a world without borders and full inclusion will come, and exceedingly more, but only with Christ at his coming.

Men can't of themselves actualise this, as there can never be universal shared values. At best we can have certain communities, societies, ethnicities or nations with differing degrees of rapprochement. Unions above a certain size - like the Tower of Babel project - will always fail. Not least because some will always seek to subsume or silence others of different persuasion.

On another note, it's why women, and especially childless ones,must never lead nations in a time of crises. When everything is going well, no real problem. In mature countries the infrastructure is in place, and in prosperous times, little can go wrong. National leadership isn't even that important, and more symbolic - Even sef, lassie the wonder dog could make a decent fist of it

But in times of crises, not so. It's why Merkel' fumble is colossal. She went with her hive mind indoctrinated feelings of fulfilling her "mutter" role (which she didn't in real life), and with the same utopia you delusionally espouse. And probably marked a new era in the descent of the West.

No man, man with a family, or even understanding woman with children would ever spit in the eye of their own cultural roots in that manner. I'm not bragging by the way, we just got Theresa May

You see the politics of it all is actually relatively unimportant to me. No, I don't vote in parliamentary elections, or even care who my local MEP is. I am not partisan, as none of them do His will or work to see His Kingdom come. Both main parties here were "for gay marriage". How can a christian champion either. I only voted in the referendum as it was a national, not partisan issue.

Hope you enjoyed lesson in Bible eschatolgy, culture & heritage and world affairs. Of course, if you have Christ, there'll be no tears, and all will be revealed in the light. Tick, tock


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snowytee:
Hello Folks,Am engaged to this angel and we are planning our wedding but certain issues bother me.

Am not one to spend hugely on a one day event but my Jewel expects abi wants a talk of the town event. A while back, I asked her how much

i should budget for the event and she said 2milli.

Believe it or not, this issue - if you indeed go ahead to marry this woman - and it's resolution, will set the tone for your whole marriage, as long as it lasts. Fall mugu at this point and you are all but done. Enough said.

All the best
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Mindfulness:
You didn't even know that Turkey is the country with the highest number of Syrian refugees and you are still acting like you can discuss anything else other than marriage and feminism.

You are so bogus - of course I knew that. I was referring to the rich gulf states, as evidenced here;

TV01:
And the Muslim countries of the middle-east who are also signatories to the GC have not managed to take a combined total of 1 refugee between them. Despite their stupendous wealth, geographical proximity, ethnic relatedness and shared religion. And you are here shouting bigot at lil' ole UK

Which middle-east countries count as stupendously wealthy? Lebanon , or Jordan - even Turkey if you count it ?

Mindfulness:
Turkey: More than 2,5 million refugees from Syria
Lebanon: 1,5 million refugees from Syria
Jordan: More than half a million refugees
Saudi Arabia: Nearly half a million refugees
And the list goes on and on. It's astonishing how people will ignore FACTS in the GOOGLE AGE.

Yet you posted a blatant lie, not an exaggeration or mis-quote, a steely-eyed lie. Ah, godless people no dey fear 0!!

Mindfulness - "Committed to combating ignorance with lies and deceit". Are you due a new moniker? This one has lost all credibility


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Mindfulness:
Quote your source instead providing me with your links. I won't click them. Were they also taken from a website designed by Christian fundamentalists as always?

Caught red-handed . You plucked 500'000 for Saudi Arabia out of thin air - and you are asking me to quote sources . The link is to the Canadian immigration service - one of the most liberal left-leaning governments ever, or, a right-wing christian fundamentalist country if they don't corroborate Mindlessness' lies - I laff tire .

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Mindfulness:
Turkey: More than 2,5 million refugees from Syria
Lebanon: 1,5 million refugees from Syria
Jordan: More than half a million refugees
Saudi Arabia: Nearly half a million refugees

Carefreewannabe aka Mindfulness you can lie...........specifically the rich arab nations of the gulf;
http://www.immigration.ca/en/quebecimmigration-topmenu/187-canada-immigration-news-articles/2015/september/1992-countries-for-syrian-refugees.html

QATAR, the UNITED ARAB EMIRATES and SAUDI ARABIA are increasingly criticized by rights organizations, which say the wealthy Persian Gulf countries have not offered to take in a single Syrian refugee. However, these nations have contributed to humanitarian aid.

Turkey is just warehousing and processing them for onward travel to the EU proper - which Turkey will actually be joining shortly . Good luck with that. Soon to be renamed the EU Caliphate .


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Mindfulness:
Germany did what European countries are obliged to do. There is something called Geneva Convention which clearly states that HUMANS are to be granted asylum under certain circumstances but since people ignorantly believe that immigrants are taking their jobs, they voted for Brexit.

And the Muslim countries of the middle-east who are also signatories to the GC have not managed to take a combined total of 1 refugee between them. Despite their stupendous wealth, geographical proximity, ethnic relatedness and shared religion. And you are here shouting bigot at lil' ole UK

Mindfulness:
Now Germany can relax agian. Britain is an agining society with low birth rates as well. Let us watch the decline now.

And let us watch how Frankfurt will flourish as Europe's new finacial centre.

So Britain being in the EU stopped Frankfurt flourishing. Shouldn't you be happy that we are out?

Mindfulness:
The suicide bombers from France:

Fabien Clain - of French nationality
Abdelhamid Abaaoud - Belgian-Moroccan born in Belgium
Salah Abdeslam - Belgian-born French national of Moroccan descent


All of the known perpetrators were EU citizens and not refugees but even if they were, you simply don't condemn a whole nation for what a few did. Who was calling me ignoramus again?

London attacks:

Mohammad Sidique Khan - born in England
Shehzad Tanweer born in England
Germaine Maurice Lindsay - born in Jamaica
Hasib Mir Hussain - born in England

Such bug-eyed blindness and pathalogical denial. So the terrorist atrocities are best disseminated based on citizenship or race . The lengths some people go to not mention the religion whose name they dare not speak. Not even when they subjugate you and make you a forced sex slave . Actually, I take that back. I've seen your pic, you won't make the cut


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Mindfulness:
I am passionate about Europe but I am not hurting. It's just that unqualified statements are irritating and you have just exposed your utter ignorance and since the British were obstructinist to reforms within the EU, life will be easier without them. And any country that is not a team player can leave too. I am all for a smaller Europe with countries that truly want to work on this project and shape Europe passionately instead of countries that act like the EU is an enemy and who ride on people ignorance that EU officials are not democratically elected.

Your passion for Europe engenders no inalienable rights . And it remains the inalienable right of Britain to opt in or out; for whatsoever reason we so choose. Swallow with plenty water .

Mindfulness:
Nonsense. You claimed that refugees = people with refugee status can cross borders and it was utter ignorance. Now you are swimming in your sea of ignorance referring to those who will be granted full citizenship even though most of them won't because refugees are suppossed to leave the country as soon as the war is over. You don't even know the difference between migrants and refugees. PULEASE!

Please show me where I claimed anything remotely like that One of the UK' problems is glaring. Insufferable pressure on infrastructure due to the influx of people. Asylumites, Fugees, Immigrants - legal and illegal - has lead to undue pressure. Not to mention the Islamicist threat with the influx from the middle east.

Mindfulness:
Only ignorant people will feel that a million Poles since 2004 are a threat to social services when in fact unregulated financial markets, which the British government was in favour of, are responsible for the crisis that hit Europe. Please, stop exposing yourself more. Have you explained why the union is undemocratic yet?

Hush you propagandist mouth. We who live here feel the pinch from the influx. School places, hospital beds, housing. We need to be smarter with how we manage this and who we let in.

The British governemtn was in favourt - but they enacted it alone in the EU abi . You so blinded. Surely that makes the point for you. Is not the EU better of without us then? We are not doing. Na by force? .

Mindfulness:
And why is it entirely about immigration now? Have you not the most welcoming culture as you claimed?

It's not - only in your head and the head of those who can't believe we prefer to be out of the EU. You have to paint us as bigoted and deceived to console yourselves . Sovereignty is a bigger bone of contention.

And the UK - especially London - is the most diverse and cosmopolitan of European countries. We have Asain, Black, Muslim etc. Mayors of major urban centers. How many Africans ultimately find their way to the UK via other EU countries.

Mindfulness:
Nationalism and tribalism has led to bloody wars but I don't expect someone like you to have a broader horizon.
Explain to us how laws are made in the EU before you use words like dictatorial. Have you not googled it yet?
And tell us when last you voted for the European parliament.

Nationalism builds strong Nations, by forging a common heritage and shared values. Be shouting EU citizen there like the nomad you are. Like what you found in Germany appeared out of nowhere based on the free movement of people. You are booming

Mindfulness:
Nations can also cooperate just like individuals.

Blinkered outlook and shoddy thinking. They do not have to subsume themselves in a forced, unequally yoked, political union to do so. We will still drive those finely crafted vehicles from the Bavarian Motor Works (I'm on Golf sha - all na Deutshe )


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DjAndroid:
HONESTLY I SEARCHED NAIRALAND FOR THIS ISSUE AND IN THE PROCESS I SAW YOUR COMMENT AND EVEN SHOWED MY SISTER TO READ BEFORE I OPENED THIS THREAD. THANKS FOR THE ELABORATE EXPLANATION.

You re welcome. Hope your sister charts the best course for her - with her family' love and support.

Best
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DevGuru, hi. First, I am personally comforted by your unwavering faith. I love hearing from, and about those with a real religious fervour - in a faith kinda way. I'm also extremely happy to see the tide has turned in this saga.

However, I feel there are some steps you should take to safeguard your home the more;

1. Prayer - please keep this up. And think about having family devotional time, even if it's a more strategic goal. I feel your wife is of weak faith, if any.

2. You cannot keep his between you and your father alone. When he had ascended power, David filled all the key positions with his own trusted men. Mostly his immediate family. You should have at least one other brother of your generation who is wise, knows and gives solid counsel. It behoves all men to have a cadre, if not at least one, strong man he can call on at any time. Preferably a blood relation.

3. By all means continue to love your wife, but let her be clear that there is a new "steely" you she has to contend with. Cut the loving with some authoritarian moves. Don't be swayed by her every - if any - display of emotion or tears.

4. Your in-laws - of your sisters generation - are to be kept at arms length - t'oko, t'aya. None have demonstrated the kind of integrity that means you can afford to trust them. The sisters husbands have really disappointed.

5. Whatever their ages or status, you are a man running your own home, you don't defer to them, or anyone in that regard. Do not feel the need to be over solicitous, or curry their favour,. And as things stand, they must be distanced to a degree by both you and your wife. Enforce it, and even show them you don't necessarily give a rats arse about them.

6. Your mother must be clear that you are not guilty as charged, you did your wife no harm, and she did not fail in raising you right. Also her father/parents, must know what their daughter/s have done, even if they are not expected to take action. Indeed, let them know it's merely FYI, no need for them to act.

7. If possible, and if the sister in laws are proximate to where you are, think about moving.

8. Good to see you've already armed and fired as I initially suggested, but have a long time plan for your wife and childcare, work, or business. Needless to say her family must not be involved.

9. I believe they are, but satisfy yourself the children are both yours.

10. Keep your eyes peeled. The genesis of this matter may simply be a combination of immaturity, and petty spitefulness that got out of hand, or it may simply be wicked dispositions on the part of the sister in laws. It may also be for a specific reason that may yet come to light. In all, keep trusting God, don't force anything. I always say "it's not how much you know, but how faithful you are". He watches over you.

All the best and may your home wax stronger & stronger as a result of this. God is good.


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DjAndroid:
My younger sister who is 24, is a junior pastor in her church in Ikeja and has a suitor whom she loves and wants to get married to.

My family accepted the man but when my sister told her senior pastor, he said no outrightly without even seeing the guy. His reason was that the guy is not a member of their church. In fact he told my sister to forget about marriage now, that she will start thinking of marriage after two years from now.

The senior pastor is about 33 or 34 years old and not married yet. But about to get married soon. My sister said she is afraid that if she marries the man, she might be suspended as a pastor in the church.

I don't wanT to take sides, please advice

First, understand this; you and your family are potentially failing your sister.
Then read this - https://www.nairaland.com/25562/pastor-parents-whose-decision-final#652377

All the best. Let me know if you have any further questions'


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Ey yah! I can see your passions are aroused and you are hurting...and coming dangerously close to blowing the civilised discourse you always prate about . I'll respond to a few of your points to demonstrate how much of a mindless ideological automaton you are;

Mindfulness:
Another statement that is based on ignorance (no offense). Refugees are not even allowed to leave their state within a country, much less cross borders between countries.

Hivemind - so refugee status is indeterminate? . Even if in stages, will they not eventually be granted full citizenship rights? Will they, even as refugees, not be allowed to settle certain family members? Will they at some point not be allowed to work unencumbered - if only to get them off welfare. An amazingly daft statement

Mindfulness:
This is the biggest lie ever. Immigrants contribute more to the economy than they take out and they create more jobs, directly and indirectly and an aging society like the British one will increasingly depend on immigration.

Come is this your ideology genetically embedded, or is it administered via daily injections/intravenous drip . Immediate contributions, even if I concede your point for arguments sake, are very much different from a long-term investment.

Ten Foreigners coming to the UK, even earning £100K and paying higher rate tax of 40%, have not invested long term in building and maintaining infrastructure. Their immediate contributions will not fund school places for their children, or hospital places for their sick relatives. Not to mention the real sacrifices of blood, sweat and tears it takes to build a nation through time and history.

And, I don't concede the point about them contributing more. There are simply too many factors and assumptions - most are not highly skilled and high earning. Age, length of stay, skill profile, fertility, entitlement to welfare, infrastructure use etc., are all considerations.

Most models are extremely simplified, none look at things historically, and the net difference, even for favourably biased reports, is always a few % points. So its, not a lie, let alone the biggest one ever, quit the histrionics, And quit the expectation of my comforting you in your ideological fog

Mindfulness:
Not immigrants are responsible for the low standards in your country but your past governments who failed to make medium-term and long-term investments.

I actually agree here. Mass or unchecked immigration, although presenting problems of it's own, is more a symptom of deeper underlying issues. The lack of infrastructural and educational investment is a huge failure, however, Europe' big blunder is it's falling fertility. Hence the need for immigrants. I laughed my self silly over the 7 odd players of African descent in the French team

Mindfulness:
Live free? You are no longer free on this continent. Going back to nationalistic concepts is a regression into 19th century thinking. It's as ridiculous as tribalistic thinking on the African soil.

I'd wager that 95% of people in healthy, well-ordered EU countries have no desire to roam. Visit, maybe, roam, nah! Turkey is somewhere I visit. I'm not moving there. Lot's of French nationals rock up to the UK due to the accommodating environment for business and talent. The UK will not lose more than it gains by leaving.

Nationalism/tribalism has it's place, strong nations can engage, share, co-operate and trade - as they have always done. Unevenly yoking nations together does not mean progress, it means problems. Nations and peoples without their right to sovereignty and self-determination always experience unrest. The UK exit regardless, the EU project is a failure, and only being held together by increasingly dictatorial policy.

Mindfulness:
You better continue else you will be eaten up by rising nations with which you won't be able to compete - God forbid - if you indeed become little England.

If the UK is superceded naturally so be it. Nations strive and compete just like individuals. It's up to them to compete effectively.


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Mindfulness:
You as a black non-EU citizen will surely be welcomed everywhere to stay there permanently even though xenophobia - as you said - pervades Europe as a whole.



We have seen how cosmopolitan and welcoming the UK culture is recently.


And we will see if Great Britain will remain great or if it will become Little England eventually.

I actually voted to leave. For me, pivotal was the question of sovereignty. Increasingly, laws are enacted by un-elected EU bureaucrats. Our MEPS do not enact laws. That is not democracy as we know it.

It is becoming more of a political union than an economic one. With an Eu army up next? And border control is key to a nations integrity. If Angela Merkel invites a million refugees to Germany, she's inviting them to the UK. Likewise for the other 27 countries. Not all who by the wat, are geared up for, or welcoming of the idea.

Tribally, more immigrants will just push lower situated blacks further down the pecking order, and engender xenophobia, which as I mentioned is Europe-wide.

What will happen? Yes, there is some uncertainty, but rather live free than become a province of the EU super-state. The times of empire are long gone, I will be the first to admit that, and perhaps good-riddance to a lot of what it stood for.

But we still got the commonwealth - if only symbolically . And our near kin in the Antipodes, along with our special relationship with the Yanks. We are also furiously licking Chinese - and even Indian - ass !


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Mindfulness:
I have 27 countries I can freely travel to and stay for as long as I want. I never wanted to live in Britain so nothing has been lost. I would have a long time ago if I wanted. Sorry for the xenophobia you are surrounded by.

I saw a Black British on TV last night who was recalling how people were shouting at him to return where he came from even though he was born in the UK.

And visiting those same 27 countries will not be impaired for Brits. People don't just up and move "because they can", and it is not necessarily a universally good thing. Xenophobia pervades Europe as a whole, you will simply have increasing Islamisication to deal with in addition.

A good freind of mine - who has moved permanently to the UK - told me how he was set upon by German police dogs, whilst simply walking the steets in broad daylight. Regardless, the UK has the most cosmopolitan and welcoming culture.


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Mindfulness:
Believe whatever you choose to, we all do.



I am - unlike you - a EU citizen.

British mate, we Brexiting. EU citizens are now foreigners . And we will not accept you. Even if you swallow common law whole.

You can visit sha'. But do not overstay


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crackhaus:
Of course it's definitely not a convenient solution, it is the height of absolute confusion - daddy bearing a different surname, mummy bearing her own hyphenated version of the surname, and then children bearing either of the two.

It's how common sense is often subjugated to ideology that is really tragic.

Parents have a hyphenated mix of both names. Children subsequently have double barrelled names, and their intendeds likewise...ad-infinitum, through successive generations? Confusion.

Truth is usually simple and sensible. Matrilineality is markedly different from Matriarchy - as we have schooled Sister Mindfulness previously.

francis18:
IS THAT A CHEST?

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Mindfulness:
The following female celebrities from Greece have dropped their maiden names ENTIRELY and taken on their husband's name:

1. Alkistis Protopsalti (singer)
2. Nana Karagouni (wife of a football player)
3. Efi Katsourani (wife of a football player)
4. Aleka Papariga (politician)

Is any of these names hyphenated?

And this is an extract from an article from 1983, which summarizes what the law is about:

"Other provisions, he said, would allow a wife to keep her own name for legal questions and to choose whichever family name she wished."

http://www.nytimes.com/1983/01/30/world/greece-gives-wives-equal-voice-in-the-home.html


I have lived in Greece, I have Greek friends and I know what I am talking about.
If you don't believe me, go and visit the Greek community in London and tell them that their women are not allowed to take on their husband's name and tell us their reactions to your assertion.

Living in Greece, does not make one a Greek constitutional expert . But all the time on NL (+ your long and expensive education ), should make it easy to grasp, no one has actually said Greek women cannot take on their husbands surnames. Socially, they are allowed to have their husbands names only. Legally - in Greece - they are not allowed to drop their maiden names.

Did you pass through Greece as a migrant


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Mindfulness:
I have come to disprove the statement that women are not free to drop their maiden names to take on their husband's name in Greece and I have several times. Have a nice day.

Perhaps in an alternate reality. Your own post clearly show that they can have both, but not his only.

http://time.com/3940094/maiden-married-names-countries/

In many countries, a woman taking her husband's surname is a breach of local custom, or even illegal

While women in the U.S. are increasingly keeping their maiden names, that’s nothing new just across the border. In Quebec, all women have been keeping their maiden names since 1981, whether they want to or not.

Provincial law in Quebec forbids a woman from taking her husband’s surname after marriage. The rule was instated soon after the creation of the Quebec Charter of Rights, which went into effect in 1976, and is intended to extend the charter’s statement on gender equality to names.

And Quebec isn’t the only place. In Greece, a similar law requiring all women keep their maiden name was enacted in 1983 during a wave of feminist legislation.

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