₦airaland Forum

pippimp:
Until you grasp the true concept of rights and freedoms you can never understand.

Maybe it would help if you could briefly state what this charter of rights and freedoms should contain - at a minimum. And then explain how the sexual behaviour which all societies - until very recently - across all time have universally seen as destructive and immoral, suddenly becomes something that is mainstreamed and forcebly celebrated. What exactly was it that the enlightened who champion this know now, that was hidden from men all this time?

Danke Shoen


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Mindfulness:
Says the one who posted his azz on NL.

...just ask politely . Your warped reverse psychology is pitifully lame . And as usual, no answers...understandable though, given the power of TV in facsimile .


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pippimp:
If i understand you correctly, you mean while in Nigeria, your views on gay relationships was amiable? If that is the case, then you are a better person than I. It took some serious reorientation in the true meaning of freedom and rights for me to really understand. This is why i understand how they think because i used to think like that. You must have come from a well groomed environment which affected your mentality. The vast majority of Nigerians, because of societal upbringing and norms have serious issues they are not aware of. I wasn't aware of it till i was exposed to something better.

This whole notion of "exposure" leading to a better "understanding" and thus acceptance of homosexual behaviour is beyond risible .

Up until a generation ago, no nation, culture or community had normalised such behaviours. Simply because they are destructive. At best they were winked at, or confined to the periphery.

Up until a few years ago, even people like Obama and Clinton were clear that marriage was male female. When did this cloud of exposure suddenly envelop and enlighten everyone? And when will it pass over Nigeria.

It's pure hive-mind indoctrination to state that exposure leads to acceptance of deviancy. In truth, removal of cultural or religious restraints just let peoples inherent nature reveal itself. What the exposure does is free the unstable to jettison or re-work their moral reference points

I have spent only a few years of my life outside the West, and even here it is not universally or even majorly accepted. It is a forced top down ideology, not a groundswell or popular movement.

And (Mindfulness with your usual reductionist extremism, which typically precedes outright lies ) no one is saying white people or the West introduced such deviant behaviour to Africa. It has long been with us, but nowhere was it mainstreamed or accorded the kind of ritual honour proper male female relationships were. That is what the West are agitating for - and it should be strenuously resisted.

I need to take longer breaks. Sometimes the level here gives me headaches .


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Timbuktou:
TV01, bringing succour to nairaland spinsters and unhappily married women since 1584.

...and only in facsimile 0! I doubt they could handle even seeing me in 3D

Timbuktou:
If you have nothing to say, just say so and stop wasting my time. TV01, come o. This one wants more pictures, the punna done dry again.

...abi who is she fooling . Has she gone for talcum powder

I'm seriously thinking of rewarding her ardour for pix of my buttz. Lets formalise her hot flushes . Hows about "official hypemaster for TV's left butts cheek" Crybaby can share duties on the right with other GDT's in support.

Oya Mindfulness, tingle time...pix loading


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Timbuktou:
TV01,Kimoni, et al; I'm on vacay make una no vex. Young Tim says hi

Now that's what I'm talking about. Enjoy your vacation o jare and tell Young Tim that uncle TV sends his warm regards - wardrobe sorted. At how old!


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...the brother was indiscreet. It was a totally pointless and potentially hurtful disclosure, especially if he knows his wife' disposition. Hopefully wifey will not take what should be no more than hurtful and make it damaging....


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Kimoni:
There is problem o TV, it's going to create inefficiencies in the system.

Ineficiencies, tension and conflict. See an example. The point in this post is not the construct that the indivdual desires,but the opportuity cost for others who are in dir eneed of medical services in a "cash-strapped" healthcare system.

The story at the end. A 17 year old wants to transition from female to male, and have her eggs stored, so her "girlfriend" can be a surrogate mother at some point.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3716301/March-Male-Mums-Women-having-sex-changes-NHS-receiving-free-IVF-three-men-born-female-brink-having-babies.html


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^{Timbuktou, abeg, you neva finish work 0.}

njokusboy:
The rule of equality already says no gender is better skilled in the art of Child rearing, some impetuous people have already opined that gay couples can train children just as well....

You mean those with 1 dimensional brains and 2 sided mouths who purvey godlessness in 3D? They know who they are. Make I tanda for here small jare.

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https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/jspop.gif

The man took a calculated risk. It's unlikely his aged mother would have been able to make it onto the roof of her home, or otherwise save herself unaided. Knowing his wife, children and father were in no immediate danger, he elected to ensure his mother was fine first. Eminently reasonable one would think. As it turned out, everyone was ultimately saved.

Indeed, he ostensibly treated his wife equally (as many would likely demand), instead of specially (as they all really want). What pained her was the realisation that he would not simply act in a manner pursuant to her best interest regardless of other considerations, but rather act rationally, and in a risk based manner.

Applause sir. Real man dat .


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Mindfulness:
What's so special about holidays in Turkey? Millions of middle-income families travel to Turkey every year. TV feelin' funky because he has been to Turkey.

You are back? When all is quiet on the Western front . And after mindlessly throwing your friend under the bus. Deserter .

I know that millions of families visit Turkey each year. And not just middle-income families. There are arrangements and facilities to suit all income brackets if you know your way .

The point was to show that the picture that had you "making like Merkel taking pictures with swarthy foreigners", was actually earlier than the blue shorts pic. I am not one to prate about my income or education, social status etc. which is one of your hallmarks on this board .

You are after more pics se? Don't worry, I'll leave you with a whole collection. NL will no longer occupy so much of your time . Be sure to invest in some "loose clothing"


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^{...ps nice gif on your second post. Although it's a baseless assertion, at last your true talent shines through .}

Exponental:
Divorce is not an envisaged plan of most couples but those who find themselves in it see it as a way forward.

Unfortunately, many marry these days with divorce as an "option" in mind. And marring ignorantly means it will be an outcome for many...and it's never forward as in progress

Exponental:
They may be wrong but if it brings peace, so be it....

That's the whole thrust of this OP, it rarely brings true lasting peace and always a lot of hurt and pain..

Exponental:
Even the Bible supports divorce on the ground of adultery. www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/divorce-bible-verses/

No the bible does not support divorce of a consummated marriage. But even if it did, does it prescribe divorce ahead of forgiveness, reconciliation and healing

Exponental:
I pray God's grace will keep me and my family united forever..... I love my wife so so much

Roger that...and that....amen!

Greatzeus:
You think those divorcees are all ignorant or carnal ornsomething?

Yes many are. And even if it's only 1, it's worth saying.

Greatzeus:
When you find yourself in the same situations, hope you will disappoint Satan?

Well lets hope that neither he or anyone else finds themselves in that situation - understanding and preparation help here . And if they do, pleasing God - who gives grace - may be a better perspective than disappointing Satan . You sound embittered. Pele .


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Timbuktou:
I was at my son's graduation ceremony yesterday(he graduated to Basic 1 ) and he was, by far, the best pupil in his class. I was a proud father, I just dey stand l'emewa(continually) dey snap like say I be pro photographer. . He's a very intelligent boy

Congratulations and very well done...but you don't think you can just rinse and go like that se? Please present gallery of your efforts here .


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^{...and please, no ex-in-laws, neighbors, strangers you sat next to on the train, random strangers or shutterstock images .}

Kimoni:
There is problem o TV, it's going to create inefficiencies in the system. We could as well maintain status quo if after all the previledges, we are all still going to end up as daycare givers

What you term inefficiency, I may well see as meaningful sacrifice, or opportunity cost, for the betterment of the whole. And be clear, both sides have to make these accommodations. Timbuktou has expatiated on some of this so succinctly, that I'm hopefully grabbing a back seat and large salted popcorn after this post.

If large enough numbers of people push for outlier status, they will no longer be outliers will they . And when I say the "norm", I essentially mean the coming together of men and women to build healthy families - with that being their priority.

Take the example of the female elite marine I gave (is elite marine a tautology ). Do you know women operating at that level often experience degrees of physical trauma that leave seriously debilitated, even infertile?

Ignoring that, what are her chances of successfully finding a "suitable" man? As even the hardest men generally prefer feminine women, and women still want men they consider "higher status". Not to mention that pursuit of that career will probably "shorten her window", due to the involvement and commitment required.

Now take the above as a metaphor for all the various pursuits (by outliers), that could potentially hinder the "essentiality of the male/female" dynamic as explained above. Then repeat this from a single family unit to a community or national level. Then if you will add in the "extreme" I mentioned earlier, of people being allowed to "construct" their own reality. Now, what did you come up with .

Yes, the West . Al the major western nations are experiencing plummeting fertility rates amongst their indigenous populations. Those that are experiencing population growth are doing so due to immigration.

If they could repopulate with like for look-alike i.e. UK taking in Aussies or Kiwis, Germany taking in Italians etc., it would be fine, as they are ethnically, culturally and for the most part religiously similar. Indeed, a european family can rock up here one generation and be part of the establishment by the next. But as they are all in essentially the same situation, they have to look further abroad, literally.

The problem Europe has now is that for the most part, the immigrant stock are not ethnically, culturally or religiously similar. We now have a flash-point between those that are post-faith and those that are fundamentally so. Those that give little thought to the pivotal notion of family, lineage, cultural heritage and faith traditions, and those who jealously guard theirs.

This would never have become an issue if indigenous Europeans simply bred in large enough numbers. Which they would if they held on to the traditional notions of what it meant to be male and female, family and faith. The Jihadi threat, has always been there. What has allowed it to have it's head is the familial failings of Europe. It is actually a symptom of the malaise in the West, not a cause.

TBH, I actually believe losing faith is the predicate for losing all the other things. Without faith or deeply embedded faith notions driving things, there are no absolutes (especially not moral ones) and then everything can be "deconstructed" can't it, everyone is an outlier aren't they?


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madamesabi:
Do you think a married family with children is any better than an unmarried relationship with kids, if so why?

For me I'd say Nope, a family is a family as long as theres heaps of love and communication.

Take two identical "families", with the only difference being the marital status of the couples, then they are - on the face of it anyway - pretty much analogous. And if all things remain pretty much equal, outcomes on the whole shouldn't be too much different.

But even here you find seemingly insignificant things that could take on greater meaning and impact. Take for example names, lots of co-habiting couples choose marriage when children arrive, simply because it gives a greater sense of wholeness and unity, especially with the same surname.

Then there is also the perceived level of commitment. It is likely more relative as opposed to absolute,in couples who take that step of formalising their commitment via marriage - knowing what marriage means.

Perhaps more persuasively, the data clearly shows that even between the similar types I used by way of example, long-term, the unmarried couples are much more likely to split up. No gainsaying.

Marriage pays a domestic dividend that no other arrangement can match, from actual consideration of ones partner, to the commitment of the couple, the degree of involvement of their respective families, likelihood of separation, and to perhaps the most important, long-term well-being of the children. Looking like marriage, acting like marriage, or de facto marriage is simply not marriage.

Marriage it is


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davit:
ening to the voice of Christ telling you that you CAN make it.  Put the pen down, stop the lawyers, put an end to the finger pointing and embrace the peace found in reconciliation.  Let the God of healing do what He does best.  Heal you.

A most excellent piece OP. And timely, given the preponderance of divorce advocates, home-wreckers, adulterers, spouse stealers, covenant breakers, prating baby-mamas and the like, that campaign in this section. I hope you come armed and prepared for battle .

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Kimoni:
TV01 and Timbuktou, if I get you right, you say that culture only re-enforces the biological/scientific/hormonal differences in the different genders even though there are and will always be outliers. And to prove this, babies naturally exhibit their gender attributes as they grow without being told to do so. hmnnnnnnn

It sounds like you are not convinced by our postulations Tim abeg, re-present the data you had about our liberated Swedish sisters na .

To progress my point further, I might add that I actually believe the vast majority of males and females have to conform to these biologically driven norms for society to flourish.

So that does give leave for some outliers. And some are outliers naturally. Those who are intersex for example, or those physically or mentally incapable of forming pair-bonds etc.

Kimoni:
But what's your take on the Prof's comment that one does not have to confine oneself to the expectations of his/her gender. To him, it's probably more of a mind thing. And yes, I'm a firm believer in the power of the mind.

Taking a construct - or reconstruct - the physical creation according to desires, against a build constructs on the basis of biological imperatives (essentially the opposite, and my position) approach? What scenarios does this present us with? More below...

Kimoni:
Question is:Even if science/culture/hormone/anatomy etc expects me to behave in some way due to my gender, can I possibly deviate from it if I work on my mind?

It depends how you mean? If you mean that as a woman you should have the chance to join the elite marine corps by passing the exact same requirements as laid down for men. Or a man must not be sneered at if he pursues a career as a nanny, why not? I think there are potential balance and harmony problems even with this type of "equality", but I'm happy for equal opportunity. And, if, over time, most settle into the natural norms of the vast majority as I detailed above, no problem. Although I see instances where this is not the case and proving deleterious.

But on the far extreme the story is somewhat different. It leaves us with men claiming they are women and undergoing degrees, or a mix of surgical intervention and and therapeutic treatment, whereby they become "transwomen". But insist that socially and legally they are real women and must be treated as such.

And things as basic as language, what we understand as marriage, sporting divisions, restroom use etc. must all change to accommodate these now "legitimate constructs". There is also the potential for tension and conflict between those who agree and those who don't. Culture wars.

It means that desires considered a result of a mental disorder, are now considered legitimate, hence morally right and pursuable - check out Body Integrity Identity Disorders.


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njokusboy:
Lol, babanla....

cheers bro'

Bolade005:
TV posted pictures of himself (real African bushmeat I must say) and his family, the brother is so proud of his family and that's obvious.

Danke sir

shaybebaby:
Let me give you a bit of context, TV has cast aspersions on my ex because we are divorced, they are BOTH fathers, hence my pics... This is what my child's father is about.

TV had nothing to say about your husband. Neither did I cast anything on him due to his divorce. You claimed all the glory for that yourself .


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njokusboy:
Lol.....
Why aren't you proud of yourself for starters...
TV is posting pictures of himself and not of his ex-wifes mother...
Plus, there's nothing joining you with those pple, aside a child they'd rather have sole custody of... Common, their son divorced you, sorry, you divorced their son... They Prolly don't even like you....

You were right the first time dude...where do you even start to reason with such incoherence?....anyway sha...see lineage


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Timbuktou:
They might still love each other Na. Or the other guy is a cuckold. These people do exist.

Bro', it was the "c" word that went through my mind when I read that post. It's why I remembered it. I mean come on

shaybebaby:
And you don't hate? With all that? Lmao. Imma leave that up there so you can keep referring to it. Enjoy choking on your bile. Turkey lasan lasan and we will not hear word.

So far, you have had the pleasure of viewing TV' butt in Turkey, Gambia and Jamaica .


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shaybebaby:
oh a reversal now, shebi na you dey talk say I want African bush meat?

No reversal. Cute kid. I say it as it is. I don't make-believe non-existent trauma to prove a non-point. And one womans meat is another womans poison

shaybebaby:
Thought I'd show you what my culinary taste is like and you can see how you compare.

How I compare? to a doughy white bloke with a receding hairline, wearing an ill-fitting suit that you used your own mouth to trash . He couldn't even make the effort to shave for an audience with HRH?

shaybebaby:
Which one do you want to see, my son's pics in Morocco, France, lake Shkodra, or should I wait till next year to show you his Vegas pictures? Nonsense!

Post whatever, that's totally down to you...we don't hate. We celebrate .


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Timbuktou:
Mumu. Post your hideousness make we see, you dey famz strangers. Are you so ashamed of your ugliness? Show us your achievements and that of your own forebears. Typical woman, bringing nothing to the table. Achievement by proxy expert.

Abi? When they realised she would actually stain the lineage they quickly got shot of her. The reality - as she has clearly shown - is that they are related to the boy, not to her. His family, not yours.

What's even funnier, claiming to have a "current", but talking about my big black butt with her "ex". Do you think any man in his right mind wants to dwell on another mans fundament

shaybebaby:
Please don't, was just telling my ex about it.. Being trolled with butt pics.

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Mindfulness:
Is that girl in the pic that oyibo who gave you papers 'cause you look 25 years younger in this picture than in the gayish picture I have of you.

When we say you are worthy of nothing but sneering at, you see why . The blue shorts pic is from our recent holiday in Turkey, the one you refer to is earlier. Also the girl in the pic was actually with the big white guy - although jonzing as you can see .

Are you sitting comfortably?


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shaybebaby:
My son's lineage, grand papi receiving an MBE from mama Charlie for services to politics.
Now, that IS an achievement.

....Wow! Cute kid...is that him on your DP? Bless.
But why post pics? I thought as a matter of principle it was wrong And where are you - did they airbrush you out .

I preach marriage & family, and more expansively about flourishing societies. I live, and am happy to show my reality in that regard. If that sucks for you, go buy eggs .


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shaybebaby:
Please don't, I beg you..
"Weeping profusely"

...quit frontin' girl...we know it's not Spanish omelette you want, or pasta al dente...it's proper Nigerian bush meat . Food is ready .


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Timbuktou:
I shouldn't mention you again? . Sounds like a reverse cop out. I'm also tired of going round in circles talking about stupid hypotheticals. As usual, you bring nothing of substance to the argument and dumb done the discourse, very typical of a leftwing liberal nutcase. You people don't expect to be questioned. How very progressive. Bye bye o.

Tim, Njokusboy has well spoken. They are only good for laughs and ridicule. All pained emotion, ad-hominem and threats. They simply cannot be taken seriously. Deal with them accordingly .


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Mindfulness:
Are you still talking to the people who - in their desperation - posted their gayish bikini pictures here?

Can you take him seriously after all?

I think you have forgotten what they looked like. I can remind you.

Keep on fooling yourself - how will you ever recreate that warm feeling and giddiness you got when you clapped eyes on the picture. It had you in such a funk you had to download it. Do you sneak glances when you're alone .

Awon doofus . Scurrying from thread to thread talking about my pic. If I wasn't against poly-monikering I'd have a "TVsButts" tag just for you lots. Or maybe a "TVsButtsCrack", it takes little to get a superannuated old bag like you excited.

And as for the threats, I laugh in Arapahoe. I will post that same pic and more - shameless old hussy like you will probably explode from the excitement. But we know it's your altogether lame reverse psychology, that's exactly what you are hoping for right .

SiestaFiesta:
A happily married man trying to impress strangers online.

A "married" woman hoarding beach pix of strange men.


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^{...aren't you mad jealous of the girl in the pic?....if only you could get that close}

Timbuktou:
He wasn't what?

Only pansies report insults. Real humans hit back or ignore and move on. But please, feel free to report. Surely, you're a hypocrite if you don't report TV. He's guilty of hate crime, and we don't want him victimising someone else do we?

She hurtin' cos I was born and bred in the UK, whereas she had to marry for papers . Awa awon omo onile UK

And doubly pained because I subscribe to the principles that made this nation great, while she's striving for faux respectability by "coconutting" . Levels mate, levels .

More pix loading . Picture stealers will wet themselves .


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shaybebaby:
Hate preachers DESERVE to be locked up.

Timbuktou:
Where and how did he preach hate?

Hate, as in he doesn't agree with everything I say, say things that validate my poor choices in life, or make me feel better about my lousy situation.

Hope this helps


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^{...the girl wasn't with me 0! Just another one trying to tap current like Mindfulness}

Timbuktou:
Tell her she's got a crush on nairaland. From a safe distance, of course. Don't want my head bashed in with a rock.. . You carry eye enter market o.

5minsmadness:
I see it my brother. Those kids are what waffi call take-away Cute for days. Oyibo life good sha.

Appreciate the compliments guys. You do realise they are crushing to the spirit of our resident haters

shaybebaby:
By spamming this thread upandan with pics, what are you trying to prove to a people you despise? What IS your point?

Dunderhead...per the above, who told you they are for you


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shaybebaby:
My bad.. But na so e pain you reach?

Me pained

shaybebaby:
Hate preachers DESERVE to be locked up.
I said your wife has a lovely soul..
Gawd you were really butt hurt!

Me hurt

Don't worry, more pix on the way. Where is your pal. Some will be so hot she'll be squirming in her seat for days .


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Timbuktou:
Great family you've got there, super combo. Really happy for you. I pray your children make you proud.

I'm on a picture-downloading spree by the way.

Graciás. Married a babe to ensure the discontinuation of some of my more wor-wor genes


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shaybebaby:
Hot and bothered? More like cold and clammy.
You have to understand that with all your talk of having intellect, that was the last thing anyone would expect from a so called "intellectual" and Christian.

Pathetic attempt to obfuscate - You intentionally scuppered the convo by going full jihadi (asking for me to be locked up), then feigned requiring scholarly citations (have you ever provided a single one ). You also said I dare not show my face, so I posted family-wide pics .

Evidence of your deep-seated neuroses

shaybebaby:
If you chose someone who is happy to exchange her brain for a marriage certificate, good for the both of you.

shaybebaby:
is that your wife?
I'm sure she has a beautiful soul, so very sure.

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