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According to Ibn Taymiya, a 14th Century Hanbali jurist:[14]

"Since lawful warfare is essentially jihad and since its aim is that the religion is God's entirely and God's word is uppermost, therefore
according to all Muslims, those who
stand in the way of this aim must be fought".

The position of d islamic schools contradict you. the hanabi scholar above bears witness that jihad is used to compel belief

calmG:
ure level of understanding is poor...
no offence

and ur level of understanding is great that is y u are holy in Christ but the saints arent abi?

calmG:
Don't qoute me wrong I said they're not holy in themselves(ie their self righteousness doesn't make them holy.)
Sir its NOT keeping the law that makes u HOLY...

Righteousnes is not of the law it is by faith in Christ Jesus. but to u to claim the saints among whom were apostle and martyr are not holy but u are holy is just silly.

owoleola:
well,i know you called that fact because that we can go back to history and find......all the same.I tell people this,the basic belief of a christian is: you accept Jesus is the son of God,came to earth in form of man,died on the cross,resurrected the 3rd day,ascended to heaven and coming back to pick the saints

When he came to earth with human nature who gave birth to him? that is the meat of this thread.

owoleola:
Not at all,I believe that the son of God came in flesh,in fact that belief is one of the basis of christianity.....only saying Mary was not Jesus' beginning,the way ours(human beings) is from our mothers.

That Jesus existed before the world was created is also basic xtian belief and he became man and was born of mary that is also basic fact.

alfarouq:
I am sorry for responding late, I am currently serving my fatherland in a where network access is a luxury.
Please kindly reread what I posted, I said sometimes the only way to restore law and order might require the use of force.
I will like you while you are at it to learn more about true Islamic history not those written by Muslim haters. You will find out that apart from the companions of the prophet, most of the people that have always work and serve as protectors of the Islamic faith and Muslims were not arabs, were not born Muslims but they are people that conquer Muslim lands, enslave its people but later learnt about the truth and justice of Islam and then accepted Islam and end up as its soldiers and protectors

what u describe is a cycle of war, people who were conquered are turned into soldiers and used to conquer more people.

Farmerforlife:
Sorry if I do not respond on time. Sometimes I do not see your mentions until later.



Again it is in the context of responding to aggression. The verse forbidding being initial aggressors is always hanging over our heads. Any other evidence we present, must fall under its purview because it specifies and limits the precise condition under which we may slay, fight, kill etc

i hope u are aware that muhammed pbuh spent the last yrs of his life expelling all non muslim frm d arabian penisula, that is d background of surah 9. he gave muslims d right to break all treaties 4 months after hajj.

farmerforlife Sahih Muslim (1:33)
The Messenger of Allah said: "I
have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that
there is no god but Allah, that
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer
and pay zakat.

Ah I have bolded the operative word in the cited hadith. Interprete accordingly.

owoleola:
so Jesus isnt mary's begotten but God's he only had to come in the form of man so as to make the whole plan and purpose work.....Jesus christ share same glory with with God as he was even before abraham.....mary was only privileged to be a vessel for the actualisation of the whole process.....even noticed jesus hardly addressedary as mother

i hope u are aware that u just denied that mary gave birth to Jesus, which implies u just denied that the son of God came in the flesh.

jnrbayano:
Olaadegbu is a known troll here. Surprise you take him serious.

I only talk to him becos of those reading the thread. i can see he wont accept the truth even if it were staring him in d face.

OLAADEGBU:
I began my existence from the time I was conceived in my mothers womb. Are you saying the same occurred to the Lord Jesus Christ?

What happened in christ is that d 2nd person of d trinity became man and was born of mary. the son mary bore is both Son of God i.e God and man. the God didnt run away and leave only the man.

these are elementary teachings and it is a pity u are ignorant of them.

OLAADEGBU:
What is incoherent about the bolded you quoted above?

First u agree that mary gave birth to the 2nd person of the trinity, then u say she only gave birth to a human nature.
is the 2nd person of d trinity no longer a person and now only a nature? did he lose his divinity when he was concieved?

OLAADEGBU:
Educate yourself. I gave you the details of the book that I quoted from have you read it?

Oh, ur book on muhammed as u became his mouthpiece.

OLAADEGBU:
Do you believe that Jesus created Mary?

Yes and after that she gave birth to him.

weytin dey fear u?

OLAADEGBU:
Saying that Mary is the mother of God is blasphemy.

SAYING THAT THE SECOND PERSON OF THE TRINITY WAS BORN OF MARY ISNT BLASPHEMY, IT IS FACT.

brocab:
It doesn't matter if the Holocaust is mention by the Pope, its written. History is always written down.
And those who have been through the Holocaust, or have been through any of the systems of the Catholic Church, it wouldn't matter if the Pope is apologising, the world don't see, if the world don't hear.
[color=#000099]The problem is, most of the Catholic priest are still doing the things they were doing since the Church began.

brocab stop lying, no institution did more to save jews that the catholic church, what did ur protestant church do? they keep quiet, it was the catholic church that hid jews in convents, monastrys, seminaries and church and gave the passport to escape, do u know how many catholic priest were praise by the jews for saving them? how many priest died defending jews? stop lying, liars will go to hell.

brocab:
To be honest with you, I had open up the suite you gave me, but after listening to you about your knowledge about the word of God, I didn't want to read someone else's issues that has nothing to do with any bible literature's.
Most of the things you have written about Mary, you haven't the slightest idea what you are really talking about, none about Mary being sinless is written anywhere in the bible, and being the Mother of God is also not written.
We only know this sort of news by word, she was the Mother of Jesus, that's all. And she has no authority in Heaven, nor on earth, to lead any of us into the kingdom of God. No true Christians prays to Mary, we all pray to God, because it's God who answers, not Mary.
Your information about Mary can only come directly from the Catholic Church, not the bible it's self.

U didnt want to read becos u are scared of what u'll find.

brocab:
Mary's Son is her redeemer...Not the other way around..

Sorry, but you are making a strawman arguement. who is disputing that mary's son is her redeemer.

brocab:
Mary was born in sin, like we are born in the same nature. Mary was blessed giving birth to Jesus only because of Her faith she had towards God. Jesus died for the sins of this world {1 John 2:2, 1 Peter 3:18} Christ also suffered once for sins, He did this so we could have life.
He died for us, that means He died for His Mother too. He died for all man kind...

Jesus died for all but his dead isnt applied the same way for all people, are u aware Jesus died for both abraham and paul, yet his death happen after abraham and before paul. His death is also for mary and he saved her from all sin.

calmG:
You're just talking based on what you were told...
u don't have any biblical proof...
if she was conceived without original sin it would've been documented

why Do u contrain christian truth to the bible? the xtian church existed before we had d new testament. the church wrote and compiled the new testament not the other way round.

calmG:
Emasearu, And lemme make 1 tin clear to u...saints are seen by catholics as "Holy"...but I'm sorry to dissapont u no one is holy even the Pope with the title "His Holiness" is not holy in himself...But all of us that are christians and believe in christ JESUS, including u and me are Holy in christ JESUS... are perfect in christ JESUS...No one can ever attain holiness; If not they'll be baosting to GOD in heaven that while we were on earth we were holy...Mary herself was not holy and was also conceived with originsl sin...Her rightousness depends on Christ...Christ also died for her sins as well...

First u said saints aren't holy, then u claim you are holy in Jesus. are u more in Christ than st peter? st paul? st andrew? for u to claim they are not holy!

calmG:
The Bible also said blessed is her amongs all women...
Now God has to come to earth to save us through somebody;He came thru her. She was just favoured or will I say God just decided to come to earth thru her, It could've been anybody.she wasn't the only virgin then...How then will u now say she is the mother of GOD her creator...How can the creator be the heir of the created.

yes mary gave birth to her creator, why are u scandalised? Jesus is the word thru whom the world was created and when he came as man he was born of mary.

This is an elementary teaching, i am suprised u seem ignorant of it.

easterwick:
christians paul followers
if i talk now una go say mad man
if paul say if you are circumcise christ has nothing to do with you
and he deceive timothy and circumcise him
and suffer not titus from circumcition
most pastor is circumcise by paul like he does to timothy meaning christ profit them nothing
but thank God for jesus christ who ever follows him cannot walk in darknesss
follow jesus christ not paul christ
love and hate is very clear \
love ur enemies my brethren come out of her [church]

So You are creating divisions in scriptures btw paul and Jesus.

sherylm:
We are not to address anyone by any titles whatsoever, not even MR. as it is short for master. When we call someone doctor, teacher, reverend etc we elevate that persons status above our own, we build sinful pride in them. We are all brothers and sisters and are all on equal ground. Yes, children are to respect and honor their parents, so i believe its ok for a child to use mom and dad, but when we become adults we have to condition ourselves to see them as our siblings, preparation for heaven when we will all be together with our true father....I was always very careful to never say father when i talked about my dad until i learned the truth, i don't think my earthly dad will ever get used to me calling him Douglas, he always laughs.
Peace and Love

Give honour to whom it is due, that much is in the bible.

OLAADEGBU:
Option 2.

Oga u get two mouth, u said mary gave person to d 2nd person of d trinity when he became man, then d come up and claim she only gave birth to a human nature not d 2nd person.

You are incoherent.

See what u said earlier.

The second Person of the Trinity, Jesus, did have a beginning to His earthly ministry when he was conceived in Mary's womb and was born, but from eternity past He had always been the Son of God.

OLAADEGBU:
Where was Mary when God's Son was with the Father in the beginning?

Gal.4:4 But when the time had fully come, God sent His Son, born of a woman

God said it, i believe, that settles it.

OLAADEGBU:
Is Mariolatry not one of the reasons you call Mary the mother of God?

They have no relation, mariolatry is a condemned heresy in catholicism and mary is mother of God.

OLAADEGBU:
That was the impression Muhammad got when he saw the way you guys venerate Mary.

Did muhammad tell u dat? or u are just lying abt issues u are ignorant of.

OLAADEGBU:
Let us just say that Mary gave birth to the body of the second Person of Trinity and that will put you out of your confusion.

So ur mum only gave birth to ur body abi? u too must be a still birth

OLAADEGBU:
Mary gave birth to the flesh and blood of Jesus. She did not give birth to His Spirit which existed before the beginning of time.

so mary gave birth to a dead baby abi?

SalC:
Lol pope Francis should be a subject to study, that man turn brains of even some cardinals

Everyone's running helter skelter to grasp his doings.

papa francesco sabi speak with ambiguity, d issue worried me last year and this yr its back again. i just hope he doesnt over polarised the church b4 clarifying himself.

SalC:
Thanks Syncan, Ubenedictus, Jnrbayano and Rich4god.

I saw someone ask that question yesterday and i was surprised i never thought about it.

Btw the church amazes me sometimes, always somehow making a way for even the defiant.

The church is merciful. atleast since vat ii the church has believed it is better to err in mercy than in legalism.

Syncan:
You're so right. Some don tire for the man sef.

I just read cardinal muller seemingly contradicting the pope. the case is very serious cardinal against cardinal, bishop conference contradicting each other, bishop on bishops and the holy father chose to b quiet.