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OLAADEGBU:
Only One Person is both God and man and that is the man Christ Jesus. He is the only One who could mediate between men and our Creator God. He is the only way to God and our only true Advocate with the Father (See 1 Timothy 2:5; John 14:6; 1 John 2:1-2 for details).

NoN seqitur. another straw man arguement.

chiedu7:
For you to redeem you need to first mediate and ascertain the problem,

If not you wont know what to redeem.


Now How can mary redeem anybody please?

Mary didnt redeemed she co-redeem that means she cooperated with the plan of redemption by voluntarily bearing the redeemer.

To coredeem all you need to do is participate in the work of the redeemer.

I explained this earlier i am suprised u confuse between coredemptorist and unique mediatorship.

OLAADEGBU:
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Timothy 2:5). Jesus is the only way to God. No long story.

This is a stawman. what concern the fact that mary cooperated voluntarily in the salvation of humanity with the fact that Jesus is the ONE mediator within whom all xtians offer up intercessions?

two different topics, ur quote isnt relevant here unless u can find a quote that says 'no human participated in anyway in our redemption'.

OLAADEGBU:
Which question?

This was ur last post after you were reminded to respond to syncan's question.

OLAADEGBU:
What are you talking about? Below is my last post to you on 14 October 2016 of which you are yet to respond:



It is rather you that ran away making you a kettle calling a pot black.

Syncan asked this question severally and you didnt respond b4 u disappeared oya answer.


Matt. 2:11 ..And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: Who did the three wise men worship, man or God?

This is what the Apostle says (Romans 8:3-4): "What the Law could not do . . . God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh . . . hath condemned sin in the flesh, that the justification of the Law might be fulfilled in us." And in this respect, the New Law gives what the Old Law promised.

So Jesus fulfill the law by giving us the new law of grace, the law of the spirit who pours love in our heart and giving us what the old law promised but couldnt do, i.e salvation.

petra1:
Did Jesus fulfill . "Thou shall have no other God? It's still your responsibility to kee away from idol. If he did how did he do it.

Jesus fulfilled the whole law.

There are at least two ways in which Jesus fulfilled d law. ref aquinas.

The New Law is compared to the Old as the perfect to the imperfect. Now everything perfect fulfils that which is lacking in the imperfect. And accordingly the New Law fulfils the Old by supplying that which was lacking in the Old Law. Now the end of every law is to make men righteous and virtuous and consequently the end of the Old Law was the justification of men. The Law, however, could not accomplish this: but foreshadowed it by certain ceremonial actions, and promised it in words. And in this respect, the New Law fulfils the Old by justifying men through the power of Christ's Deathg This is what the Apostle says (Romans 8:3-4): "What the Law could not do . . . God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh.

chiedu7:
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The bible is clear that their is ONE mediator between Man and God, that's Jesus.
So if there is ONE NOT TWO where does mary fit in?

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

The catholics have come with their philosophy that the bible rejects

Colossians 2:8
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men,
after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Weytin concern mediator and mary as co-redemptorist.

DjAndroid:
The Holy Bible should be the Christians' guide not their assumptions.

Very soon, the song will change to "Holy Mary, Forgive their sins"

And ur bible doesnt tell u that mary voluntarily cooperated to birth our redeemer?

Alexk2:
That's idolatry and no longer Christianity. Sometimes I wonder if some people read their Bible at all before coming out with such strange idea.

so it is idolatry to state that in an inferior way mary contributed to our redemption by voluntarily cooperating with God to bring forth our redeemer?

Abeg do u even know the meaning of idolatry or are you just throwing fancy words around?

olaric:
Always maintained that the Roman Catholic Church is a cult and not a true Church of God.

it is the cult that compiled your new testament which means your bible is a cult book.

Ur 'church' all came from the cult after adopting the book she compiled, i guess that make u guys minor or smaller cult.

donnie:
They regard "church tradition" more highly than the scriptures.

Mary wasn't conceived without sin. That's an outright lie.

that is a strawman you are making. Where does the catholic church say that 'church' tradition is to be regarded above scripture?

Lol u ran away from the discussion when it was hot then u came back months later to paste ur copy and paste. welldone.

Please don't lie about catholic just because you want to make a point. abeg, na sin.

donnie:
They will say ordinary men wrote the scriptures and it is neither the only source of truth nor is it absolute truth, thereby giving room for more deception.

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men wrote scripture and that is true but catholic are very quick to add that they wrote it under the inspiration of the holy spirit. Scripture is spirit breathed and so it is inerrant and a primary source of Divine revelation.

Even so scripture doesnt claim to be the ONLY source of revelation, it contains objective truth but it doesn't claim to sufficiently expound all truths that God has revealed.

That isnt deception it is fact.

Mary is co-redemptorist, that is historic christian teaching.

What does that mean?

It simply means that in an inferior manner she participated in the salvation of the world by voluntarily agreeing to bring forth for us our saviour, Jesus Christ who accomplished our salvation completely, totally and per excellence.

Jesus our saviour didnt fall from heaven someone had to co-operate with God so we all may be redeemed, this contribution is small and inferior but it is a contribution nonetheless and Mary is that person who made it. She made a contribution for my salvation, for your salvation, for our redemption. We cant sweep that truth away as if it didnt happen.

You don't need to be catholic to admit the truth that my her obedience to God, she contributed, though in an inferior manner to the world's redemption.

That much is scattered in the gospel, in the writting of the early christians and the historic judgement of the church.

How come I am denied access from my own thread oga mod?
why do i have to declear to be muslim to discuss islam?

owoleola:
You already know what i believe in,my posts have clearly stated that,even at the outset.......if you dont play sentiment,you will have gotten the idea behind my arguments.Good morning

According to your post, Jesus isnt God and then Jesus is God, you contradicted yourself and when asked to clarify you play hide and seek and then accuse me of ''playing sentiment''.

How can I understand you when you contradict urself and refuse to clarify.

brocab:
Does it bother you, not knowing the truth about Christ-you can't tell the differences between true believers and false believers?
This is true, the Church gained prosperity Preachers including the Vatican preaching unbiblical ligatures, underneath they are raving wolves, refusing the Word Of God, Preachers who claim they are Christians and are not-just like you.
Preachers just like the Vatican uses the Word of God-fully to gain prosperity-finances, in tithes and purgatory.
{Matthew 24:24} For false Christ and false prophets will raise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible even the elect.

Ofcourse you are confusing the vatican with your pastors. It is u protestants who teach properity and call wrong right.

brocab:
The Pastors never corrupted it, they corrected it, from the lies and wonders your Church produce to the world.

Lol, they came and preached once saved always saved, masturbation is not a sin, forensic justification, sola scriptura and other false teachings. the more ur pastors form new shops the more they populated and propagated more heresy.

u claim the claim the catholic church moved the day of worship to sunday...u forgot that in the bible xtians met on sundays and that d churches u named also do sunday worship.

YoungRichRuler:

this isnt funny.

owoleola:
i hope someone else reads our arguments and make a comment,you are too dogmatic,and if you are a catholic,i may not blame you much for the attitude towards the topic.

Even God is dogmatic that is why he revealed himself in scripture so we won't believe errors.

my question isn't hard but you clearly cant respond.

what do u believe?

owoleola:
You seem not to get me.......I rest my case

oga decide for urself, the baby
mary gave birth to is he God or
not?

I opened a thread some weeks ago on islam which encouraged frank and respectful discussion, I took it upon myself to keep everyone in line and ensure that issues are discussed without insults to others belief.

My thread has been moved to islam for muslim subforum thus prevent every non muslim from discussing.

Is nairaland aimed at stiffling dialogue?
If islam isn't a topic available to be discuss by all in a respectfull manner then what use is nairaland?
If people of different opinions cant even discuss issues then they may every well go out and kill each other since they cant communicate with words in respect.
www.nairaland.com/3593975/islam-inherently-peace-violent

Sorry, but I'm disappointed.

cc. seun.

brocab:
No second prizes. Not forgetting how my various Pastor was one of yours, so of course everything he had learn was straight out of the Catholic Church.
So he spread the pagan religion further into existence, preaching another gospel that doesn't line up with the Word of God, collecting large amounts of Money, building Mega temples Just like his daddy's temple {The Vatican}

Nah! ur pastors took the gospel and corrupted it after adding their heresies.

Empiree:
Don't you think you have reached your VERDICT with this post of yours?. It is irrelevant to say "that isn't the issue here".

You don't pick and choose where you are comfortable.

That's lopsided.

Case Closed!

I'm still canvasing for opinions. Do you think islam teaches violence?
How do you reconcile the verse that says no compulsion in religion to those that says convert or die\pay.

EDITED: Empiree to concentrate on my religion is easy but that doesnt prevent me from learning about yours nor does it prevent you from answering my questions. If the are biblical verse u dont understand you are allowed to make a thread and they will be xplained.

brocab:
No second prizes. Not forgetting how my various Pastor was one of yours, so of course everything he had learn was straight out of the Catholic Church.
So he spread the pagan religion further into existence, preaching another gospel that doesn't line up with the Word of God, collecting large amounts of Money, building Mega temples Just like his daddy's temple {The Vatican}

Sorry dear, ur pastors rejected the truth and decided to do the own stuff. That is why you still cant name ur church.

Empiree:
Okay, showing your true face isn't?. Is the verse of quoted he quoted says to go and find disbeliever and kill them?. Be honest for a second.

Secondly, the verses I quoted they exist in your Bible or not?. That's the point

I know many will try to derial the thread.

the bible condemns many to hell every xtian will admit that and that isnt the issue here, the issue is whether or not islam accepts violence. I actually went and search and found many islamic jurist who admonish violence, what is ur opinion?

owoleola:
I could discuss this on end but i already summarised it in my first post.....you see when i argue at times i ask myself the importance of making my stand.....when you say Jesus is God,there will be no reason to conflict that ,seein God acknowledged him and gave Him charge over principalities and power,but my stand here is that Mary was no t different from several human beings God used as a vessel unto honour,she wasnt diff from Abram,israe,David,samuel just to mention a few of them....she wasnt Jesus' beginning,neither God's and she desrvers no worship as such...........please dont mind my spellings,got a prob with my device

oga the issue is that you have contradicted urself. 1st you say Jesus isnt God then you say he is.

oga decide for urself, the baby mary gave birth to is he God or not?

then we can move forward to other issues.

Empiree:
who are these unbelievers condemned to Hell?

I guess that is for God to decide on the last day. it seems d decision has nothing to do with humans. it isnt telling xtian to go and find and kill the unbeliever.

Syncan:
For this life na...even for monastery e no de happen?

no u sabi dat one oh... abi u ask relating what a seminarian told u?

SalC:
Grace covers a multitude of "things"

Things abi? sister, Jesus love u.

Syncan:
Eiyaa Sorry na, no be today I sabi say she too much o

Sorry wey no reach belle.