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handelex:
That's a lie sir, you guys are making her your co-redemptrix, and from my Bible unless yours is different, there is nothing like any co-redeemer or co-redemptrix, that is an office you people are trying or rather have created for Mary. God didn't make her that.

Coredemptrix is a title, like calling Joseph the Protector of the infant Jesus, both title are drawn from what the bible says about them. mary voluntarily agreed to bear the redeemer and Joseph did is work in protecting the infant Jesus.

Nobody made her anything, it was God who asked her to bear our redeemer.

Muafrika2:
Hope they don't fall,

Jude 1:24-25.

24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

God is able to keep his own from falling.

handelex:
Making Mary a co-redemptrix is heresy already ,I mean very soon she will start washing away sins...and this is sad for the millions being deceived. No man can help God, had Mary probably not kept herself a virgin, God will still forgive her but she will have jeopardized the privilege of giving birth to Jesus and God will still choose another vessel for that purpose. Mary was just a normal human being who found favour with God so all this talk about her being any Co-redemptrix whatever is UNBIBLICAL.

NB: I repeat God can choose any vessel He wants to at any dispensation and time,but that doesn't make that individual any helper to God or co-redeemer or redemptrix ,only JESUS is our Redeemer period.

Nobody made mary anything, it was God who decided to allow her to cooperate in his plan of salvation. God could have chose anyone but he chose her, he sent an angel to ask her if she will bear the saviour and she said 'fiat'. No be we do am, na God.

Muafrika2:
My Jesus¡¡¡¡¡
God save his elect among your people

The elect are saved already, that is why they are called the elect.

Alexk2:
Since you'll not stop talking about Catholic doctrines and traditions, I hand up because I don't care about anything doctrine either Catholic, penticostal, or what have you. I believe the dangerous ploblem of Christianity is making each denominational doctrines superior to that of the Bible and I won't be part of it.

If you're ready to put aside your Catholic knowledge and traditions; then let's talk about the Bible. Anything short of that, I won't answer you anymore.

I have been talking about the bible since morning! Mary volutarily gave birth to the redeemer, she cooperated with God's plan, if ur bible doesn't tell you that much then you need a new bible or u havent been really reading d old one.

Back with ur conspiracy theories abi?

Muafrika2:
Its a suggestion for now .... but...the devil is smart

Don't be surprised that it will be the norm 100 years from now

it is already the norm now.

seun and OAM4J please move this to islam 4 muslim subform. if my topics were moved so should this.

blueAgent:
God hates refusal to understand and accept the Truth.

God hates teaching heresy esp when it is the old law.

Alexk2:
Yes it idolatry to call Mary "CO-redemptive" or to give her the credit that belong to God....it's idolatry to consider worshipping her in whatever way or letting her share the glory with God and Jesus Christ.

another yeye arguement so the glory of cooperating in an inferior manner in bring forth the saviour is a credit that belongs to God alone.

Incase u werent taught in ur church we now partake of God's glory even though in a different way. i am a partaker of the divine nature and a heir of the kingdom.
sometime God allows men to enjoy his glory that is what grace is all about, becos no matter how much we partake in God's glory it still returns to him.

blueAgent:
I just did that.

It is Obvious you don't read and understand the Bible.

It is obvious u want the bible to say what it doesnt.

blueAgent:
I wonder why you argue blindly. the same paul and JESUS who you said abolished the law also made statements to the contrary. but you will overlook those bible verses and cling to your misinterpreted and misunderstood Bible verses.
none of you has over rationalized to me why
JESUS or Paul and other apostles still exalt the
law which you claim he abolished.

Nobody in the new testament claims the old law must be obeyed by xtians. instead it says it was fulfilled, abolished, became obsolate and now we are under sumtin james calls the law of liberty.

blueAgent:
You just mudered the Bible.
Pls rationalize. or explain to me why James said we will be judged by the law of liberty or that

thank God he said by the law of liberty not the old law

"Whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." James 2:10.



For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin [break the law], because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid."
Romans 6:14, 15. "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Romans 3:31.

Abeg let us now establish the law. What is the purpose of the old law? We all know it wasnt to make men righteous. So what was its purpose?

DoctorAlien:
Mary had no part whatsoever to play in the salvation of man. In fact, she needed salvation too, for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of GOD. GOD chose to introduce His only begotten Son as a man through Mary, and she yielded. Finish!

i hope you can see how you contradict urself?.

donnie:
W a t e v a...

Pope Francis should reject such false doctrine. Except of course he's part of the same satanic agenda (mystery Babylon).

He can't reject it because it isnt false doctrine. it is already part of the church's magisterium. the request is mainly a formality.

Alexk2:
Yes it idolatry to call Mary "CO-redemptive" or to give her the credit that belong to God....it's idolatry to consider worshipping her in whatever way or letting her share the glory with God and Jesus Christ.

Btw if you're looking for those who "contributed", it'll then be unfair to single only Mary out...what about Joseph; have considered his role?. ...even the herdsmen who owned the manger where Jesus was born deserves sure credit but they're all vessels and God determines their reward not by us turning them to object of worship

Abeg weytin concern object of worship here? did the op say that catholics are asking the pope to make anyone object of worship?...you just like to go off point and propound non seqitur arguements.

Talking of St Joseph, he is also called the Just by catholics and has the title protector of the infant Jesus and head of the holy family among others becos that is the role he played. That doesnt negate mary cooperation in salvations plan

DoctorAlien:
Stop lying! The Bible says that it is able to make one wise unto salvation(2 Tim. 3:15). If so, then it is enough for the Christian, since the end is salvation.

The fables and lies which Roman Catholic theologians cook up are not Scripture, neither are they able to make one wise unto salvation.

My computer science textbook are able to make me wise unto programming, that doesnt mean every programming language are minutely expounded therein.

The bible is able to make you wise unto salvation doesnt mean it contains all revealed truth.

DoctorAlien:
Mary had no part whatsoever to play in the salvation of man. In fact, she needed salvation too, for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of GOD. GOD chose to introduce His only begotten Son as a man through Mary, and she yielded. Finish!

Mary is not Co-Anything. GOD says that He will not share His glory with any man. The Bible says that Jesus is able to save to the uttermost those that come to GOD through Him(Heb. 7:25). So, Mary has no part to play in that salvation. She got saved by the grace of GOD. Jesus is able to save to the uttermost.

so you also wish to deny that mary gave birth to the redeemer and so voluntarily cooperated in God's plan for redemption?

orunto27:
Son behold your Mother
Mother behold your son.
Redemption started there, that those who believe in Him henceforth will not perish but will have Eternal Life
Mary's Role stopped there as God's Vessel for Miraculous Reproduction.
In The Hands of God, Mary was just "The Newest of God's Vessel for Human Produce", after Eve and Mrs JOB.
Whatever became of The Three after their Deaths was God's Pleasure.
In other words, Only God REDEEMS.
Christ is God. He built His Own Vessel to REDEEM US UP TO HIMSELF IN HEAVEN.

so because only God redeems that also means no creature cooperated volutarily in his plan abi?

Lord have mercy.

Syncan:
"And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also, that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed". Lk.2:34-35

O Simeon, why did you have to include only her in this?...and they still think she didn't participate....chai

Weytin person no go hear.

blueAgent:
This Bible verse talks about the cremonial Sabbaths and not the weekly sabbaths.

hahaha, tell me something.

plappville:
Where is the insult?

If it wasnt there before it is there now.

plappville:
You have the bias disease flowing in your vain. How can you reject/ignore this plain Scriptures?

plappville:
You have the bias disease flowing in your vain. How can you reject/ignore this plain Scriptures?

What did the plain scripture say? That mary didnt cooperate with God when she gave birth to the redeemer?

sorry dear but that scripture is largely irrelevant in this issue. Mary's cooperation with God in the plan of salvation by bringing forth the redeemer stands even if u claim she didnt alway understand Jesus. one doesnt nulify the other, the passage that was quoted are irrelevant as they dont address the issue in question, hence the arguement there is non seqitur.

I see u didnt answer my question.

Did may willing cooperate with the plan of salvation and
birth the redeemer?

donnie:
I don't blame you. You are blind.

ad hominem.

donnie:
See what Peter the one you claim was your first pope had to say about the scriptures...

2Pet1:17-19

"For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts
"

He says the scriptures are more sure than even the voice they heard at the mount of transfiguration. He says to follow the written Word like a light shinning in a dark place.

So it doesn't matter weda we see "Mary" floating in the air, it will not change the truth as contained in the written Word. It abides forever!

non seqitur again. has nothing to do with the topic. i wont waste time xplaning.

plappville:
Sometimes i wonder what makes you different from Islam. Arguing blindly.

All this ad hominem so that you can sit in ur house and deny the fact that mary voluntarily cooperated in giving us the redeemer.

You can insult me if you like but at least speak the truth... Did may willing cooperate with the plan of salvation and birth the redeemer?

Bias is a disease, speak the truth!

ichuka:
Luke1:35
King James Bible
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that HOLY THING which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Mary was never Holy when she carried Christ in her womb.it was Christ in her womb that was Holy.

Luke1:47
King James Bible
And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my SAVIOR.
She also needed to be saved.
My point is if she's not Holy and needed a Savior,how can she be a co-redeemer?

Another silly arguement. must i be a billionaire to work in a billionaire factory.


Even if you tell me that mary is the worst of all sinners it still wont change the fact that she cooperated in the plan of salvation and brough forth the redeemer.


Oya find another non seqitur arguement against mary as co-redemptorist.

chiedu7:
That does not make her a co-redeemer, as mary herself had sin.
That's why she called God her saviou as ichuka pointed out below.




Making Mary your co-redeemer means that Jesus is not enough.

By the way why do you want a redeemer who needs saving herself

Jesus is more than enough

Another silly arguement, even the redeemer must work with others. people have to be with him to listen and note his words and works.

But even most importantly Jesus didnt fall from the sky, someone agreed to give birth to him.

someone cooperated with God to give us all a redeemer, mary cooperated with the redeemer so u will be saved. that is true whether to agree or not.

Aizenosa:
Oga u have started to bully just like ur brother Syncan, deris god ooo

Some kind talk no make sense, how will someone tell me that mary didnt cooperate in bringing forth the redeemer and tell me that is becos mary looked for her missing 12yr old.


that is silly talk.

donnie:
And that is the lie in Catholicism I'm trying to point out.
That's their basis for sneaking in false doctrines as it suits them. I mean how else would they even consider such falsehood as made in this their request to pope Francis if they didnt first assume that the truth isn't absolute?

Jesus is coming soon, all such liars will be judged.

There is no lie there, what i state are facts.

scripture doesnt claim to be the ONLY source of revelation,
it contains objective truth but it doesn't claim to sufficiently
expound all truths that God has revealed.

If you will sit in ur house and call me a liar then u better show me what is untrue in what i have stated.

We are talking about mary voluntarily cooperating in bring forth our redeemer someone is talk about the finding of Jesus in the temple.

does the later nulify the former? the mary sin by looking for her 12yr old son so that the protestants of today now claim that she didnt cooperate with GOD'S plan.

may God save us from silly talk.

Syncan:
Chai, poor ola, even my own writings-were i speak of things easy to understand-you still wrest unto your own unhappiness.

Syncan y u dey bully ola. he is already crying victim.