₦airaland Forum

Mccullum:
It was Oranmiyan that established Obaship in Benin because Ogisoship was a system of govt that the most older person will be on throne of authority but it stopped when the last Ogiso planned to enthroned his son as successor which caused the destruction of the system as headers that expecting their turns against it while there's a vacuum for long, eventually.. they arranged for having new leader from Oduduwa to send some one to them, his death couldn't gave them hope again without knowing that he'd appointed his son Oranmiyan to established obaship system of ruling over them and that's the beginning of monarchical dynasty in Benin.

this isnt true, d ogiso system was a monarchial dynasty, it seems u are refering to d ediowere system that existed before d ogiso era.

fatiaforreal:
This topic is an intellectual historical one. It is not by how nolstagic you are about your culture or some unfounded fables you were told by your ancestors.
Tell the world about what the Ekiopagha Treaty is all about. It is part of the rites of coronation. Let's see how this would be covered up.

That has been discussed severally. owodo died after banishing his son, d chiefs and co went in search of dat son after appointing evian as regent. the chiefs presented oramiyan as d grandson of ogiso owodo and evians son(d new regent) didnt allow him enter d city. this led to civil war oramiyan ran back to ife and d chief and eweka fought with evian for d throne. oba ewedo defeated d ogiemwen but he stil refused to conceed defeat, the treaty was a declaration of no victor no vanguish, d ogiemwen wil recieve gifts every coronation and those gift were payment by which d ogiemwen complusory relinguish any claim to rule. the ogiemwen was reabsorbed into d uzama n'bie.

cbrass:
Stop saying what you don't know, yorubas have existed longer before ibini ,so this is the main reason for the population

Where do u get this from?

macof:
Yes it is now a valid Benin Word as it is used interchangeably with the original bini word of "Ogie" but for Bini, the reality is that "Oba" is a loan word... like Wakati (a yoruba loan word from arabic is still a yoruba word).. the history of the two groups can tell that the use of the word to refer to the Bini king came after yoruba presence in person of the king himself

so the pronunciation can mean anything in bini language or even Igbo but would be a different word..two different words pronounced similarly .like the op mentioned something like "red or shining"

OBa is not a loan word, there was obagodo in bini before oduduwa was born. it isnt a loan word it is a bini word and d title in bini is 'omo n'oba', that is d son that shines.

fatiaforreal:
It's a case of the tail trying to wag the dog.
Check the names of the early Obas, they're purely Yoruba with Bini pronouncements. Ogoola, Square, Obalufon. Even the last one ere Oduduwa in Yoruba means the statue of Oduduwa which the binis call Erediowa with the same meaning.
Yoruba name Agbolahan is Agbolahor in Benin.
Let the Bini historians here answer my questions in the earlier post. There was no Oba's in Benin until Oranmiyan came from Ife. Why didn't he and his descendants reign as Ogie or Ogiso? Until Oranmiyan came to Ife, the tittle Oba was never used. SIMPLE!

This is just ignorance, only eweka has a yoruba name among d bini king erediauwa is a bini word so is ewuare, ewedo, ozolua etc.

the word oba has been used in benin before oramiyan even existed and be4 oduduwa was born. one of d early ogiso in benin was name oba godo, it means 'he shines brightly' this was before ife even had a central monarchy.

Elebiju:
how can you say ayelala is a variation of benin language? It's a deity worshipped in my town and no ethnic group in yorubaland has ever dragged it with us...... Benin is just a mixture of confused people, read the first post and tell me what ODEOBA really means in benin, we know it's a yoruba word and it means king road it can also be broken down to OJUDEOBA or O/ju/o/de/o/ba. Can you explain why you remain a minority in Nigeria if indeed you're the source of yoruba heritage....... To us (yoruba) you're just a breakaway tribe just like ilorin ( the descendants of Afonja and Alimi).

thIs only shows ur ignorance odeoba is a bini word, it comes from ode which means road and oba, odeoba means d oba's road, it is not ojudeoba, it is odeoba.
stop pontificating on what u dont know.

benin is not a breakaway tribe, it existed side by side with ife from antiquity.

macof:
stop saying nonsense. Rome or the Greeks never controlled the whole world


you know quite well that nobody is arguing bini controlled some parts of SW but the throne of bini is ultimately of yoruba origin this is what you know without any Yoruba person telling you, you even say it as you acknowledge oranmiyan but this inferiority complex won't allow you think straight

must u inject urself anytime u see my username? did u not see d post i quoted? someone asked how come benin is small now though they claim to have controlled a larger area, i explain accordingly.
Rome did control what was the know world at the time and today they are small. i dont have d time to join issues with u, if u cant see my point and d post i was responding then keep off.

And lastly d claim dat the bini throne is yoruba is similar to d claim dat d yoruba throne is benin, that u disagree with the later doesnt give u d right to insult me. U have ur opinion and i have mine.

OLAADEGBU:
You just confirmed what I said you have not said anything different.

Catholics dont sacrifice Jesus again. stop lying dear.

beautiful

PastorAIO:
Seed sowing is agricultural. It works if you're a farmer. I don't know about other disciplines though.

hehehe, u need to visit nigerian churches, they now sow anything.

Efikoroy:
Please,I am not Benin nether am I Yoruba. There are somethings that gets me worried about this supremacy battle.
1. Why is Benin population not anything close to the Yoruba race if indeed they were long in existence before the Yoruba race
2. If the Yoruba race is claiming superiority, why was Benin kingdom and history better documented than the Yoruba kingdoms.

I am here to learn please. I don't mean any insult.

There was a people in nigeria a very ancient tribe, called d nok people. they are nowhere today. italy once controlled the entire world yet they arent the most populated today, before that the greeks were controling the world even though today they are one small country.

edo used to control large parts of d south west and south south and many tribes trace their origin to bini yet today they are a small state.

Legitman22:
Is dat man still a prince, i thought he should be address as a king.

he hasn't completed his coronation rites. by next week he should be king.

EDhims:
On what ground were they named 3 major tribes in Nigeria, don't tell me its based on dynasty superiority

ofcuz not, it is based on population.

bodysoul:
I still can't see evidence to prove that the girl is a Christian, I hope all ye reporters are not benign paid to destabilize our economy, tell me that her I'd was issued to her after marriage?
Cos I can see she has been wearing hijab long before the marriage, tell me, how was she converted by the king..,,,?
The disaster that will befall pple that lie, just to confuse Nigerians, I s just by the corner.

So it is ok to marry d child uh?

AnanseK:
The impression given is that the Emir married the girl to himself.

We want to hear the other side a this clearly is the side of the antagonists to anything north.

So u are ok with d emir marrying a child?

latsy:
Oduduwa was never related to the Ogiso,
he is a thoroughbred ile-ife man.
Never believe what your modern are telling
you, they are only trying to save face.
It speaks of the ogiso dynasty's power if a defenseless
Yoruba toddler(Eweka) was able to overpower ogiso chiefs
and installed himself and his descendants as the permanent oba in Benin kingdom.

What do you have to say about a man who ran away
according you but was still able to change the name
of your kingdom to Benin ?
And his son was able to single handedly destroy the
ogiso's dynasty.
Imagine a mere human defeating erasing the memory of ogiso(a supposed sky god)

Hehehe, it is usually easy to spot an ignorant person.

freeze001:
The moment a judge is compulsorily retired on grounds of corrupt practices, he is open to prosecution by the prosecuting agencies. It is not within the powers of the NJC to prosecute by itself. The question should now be why the bodies under the executive vested with the powers to prosecute offenders fail to do so.

Don't forget that not all petitions before the NJC have crimes attached to them. It could be for unexplained absence from work, leaving litigants hanging. It could be failure to give judgment within the specified number of days after parties have made final submissions, it could be deliberate subversion of justice due to personal bias and not financial inducement from anywhere....These can only be suspended or dismissed. NoNo of those instances mentioned above amount to crimes but require the disciplinary action meted out.

SO soliciting bribe isn't a crime in ur village?

latsy:
Look at it this way, Benin chiefs treked a long distance to go beg
Ile-ife to save them from implosion, if the ogiamen had already
stabilized the kingdom, why would the chiefs go to ile-ife to ask
for help ?

After much pleading and begging by the Benin chiefs oduduwa allowed oranmiyan
to go with them but on seeing that they are unserious fellow who can't
be trusted he left Benin to pursue a more worthy cause.
One would have thought that with the departure of oranmiyan, the
treacherous chiefs would find it easy holding on to the throne.
Unfortunately, they couldn't , a vulnerable eweka successfully subjugated them.

u are trying to rewrite history with ur lies.
the reason d chief went to ife was because only d child of d late king can rule in his father's throne and oduduwa was d son of d ogiso.
ofcuz eweka never entered bini cos b couldnt beat his distant cousin d ogiso and ran away. eweka couldnt subjugate d chiefs, dat only happend centuries later.

macof:
nobody is claiming your land We are claiming our property - the Obaship we gave to you

Go on and keep claiming, d fact that u claim it doesnt make it yours.

macof:
How can a grandson beget his grandfather use your head. this type of talk could have gotten you killed 300 years ago

Oranmiyan isnt represented by the Ooni, Take that up with the Alaafin. .if you can take Oyo on.
But Ooni is more concerned with Oduduwa


father

The edo throne predates oduduwa hence it very well can beget oduduwa and his descendants.
D ooni is also a child of oramiyan.

Taryur3:
But you v just spoken like a kid bro...have no issh with you. The leading government you voted for has turned to be a calamity for your fellow Nigerians...GEJ government is bad but this is the worst bro.Buhari is not fighting corruption if he failed to probe Rotimi Ameachi...the ex rivers state governor...common let's think straight and axe out the truth.if I find out that you from north...I won't comply with your quotes again becos my words will be meaningless to you.thank you

this is ur perspective and has little to do with the topic in question.

chubbyswit:
lol not at all, just stating the facts

Or stating ur delusion

posh1:
Am NT sure you have a dictionary. .......or do u use a pocket dictionary??

DARK MASK? LOL

PastorAIO:
But white chalk is not so prevalent in Ife or Binin more than any other areas for them to make such a big deal out of it. Neither is cowrie.

I don't even think that the rivers around these cities can be called major rivers like River Niger (Oya) is a major river, or even River Oshun. You can't compare Ikpoba to River Niger.

I spent sometime in an edo village with a big olokun cult, chalk nd earthwares were d most visible thing in their place of worship.
i think d binis associate olokun with all river bodies not just d ocean, it is almost like d yoruba yemoja, but particularly d river ethiope.

chubbyswit:
the catholic church (satanic cult) are doing everything possible to fuse all the world religion into one not just muslim all in the name of world peace. Defiling the word of God with all their satanic doctrine thereby setting the stage for the antichrist. God's wrath will soon visit that idolatrous organisation

LOL, hope u aren't paraniod?

en.radiovaticana.va/storico/2013/03/20/pope_francis_discourse_to_representatives_of_the_churches%2C_ecclesia/en1-675184

THIS IS WHAT FRANCIS SAID ON THAT DATE. I AM SUPRISED TO SEE D JOKE ABOVE.

thIs is another lying piece. i am suprised people dont investigate d new they disseminate.

PastorAIO:
Me too, I've often asked the same question and so I guess that I too have a lot to learn. Well, I'm willing.

The incantations are in Edo. Even Yoruba Olokun priests chant in Edo.

But the name of the diety, even in Bini land, is Olokun which is a yoruba name.



But the one that baffles me the most is that the Olokun cult is so big and powerful in Ife and in Benin. Yet these city are nowhere near the water. How come? What is the connection between Benin city and Water and between Ife and water? I understand bayelsa and all those other riverine peoples, but wetin Bini and Ife dey find go there?

for a bini man olokun is not a yoruba word 'olO' is lord or owner 'okun' is ocean, for a bini man that is a bini word.

and for d edos d physical manifestation of olokun isnt only d ocean, d river ethiope also is a manifestation, there are also important stuff like white chalk, cowrie, earthware...etc.

ProfessorPeter:
no body is defending any corrupt individual here, what we are saying is that a "corrupt" person should be given a fair trial and should be allowed to exhaust and enjoy all his or her constitution rights and privileges. Also the so called fight corruption should be not selective

Was any right denied d judges?

Papist:
It is called black mass and its a mockery of the Catholic Mass. It is done by satanists mr ignoramus.

lol, u should have allowed him make noise.

posh1:
Even ur dictionary will give u de answer dat it is a pray to de devil .....done by de catholic priest at night well u can go on and rearch on it my niga

HAHAHA, really? dark mask? i cant find it.