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Freksy: Hmmm, you did not read through my comment? Your request shows you did not also read the cited scriptures on my first post that you earlier commented on. To show you really want us to discuss, can you please boldly make your stand clear on this: Did David follow the instruction given on how the ark should be transported when he did so using the wagon? My stand on it is, NO! What about yours?

i say show me where d bible say so! Very simple.

Moreover, it appears you have admitted Easter is not scriptural.

i also said microphone isn't scriptural neither is d bible and i still use both.

Not mentioned in scripture isn't equal against scripture.
I repeat paul said where there is no law there is no sin. Unless there is a law that says don't celebrate d resurrection then u have no point.

ijawkid: Don't act like you don't know what we are talking about..........UBe and you(I no know wether you follow too) are celebrating EOSTRE............I just want UBE to tell me what relationship Jesus has with EAOSTRE.....

Can you please answer the question too??........

Just answer............

since easter dey bite ya body, i dey celebrate pascha, hope u don dey ok.

ijawkid: Hehehehe.............I am only telling the man that Jesus hates eoastre.........because its a pagan goddess...I just don't know how Jesus got entangled with that goddess........I really just don't know...maybe UBE can help us explain how our Lord is linked to the goddess EOASTRE..........

i guess you have a big problem with the word "easter". Ok i hear.
I am celebrating pascha, hope u don happy now? Hey no disturb urself dem no get gods wey dem dey call pascha

Goshen360: New Living Translation (©2007)
The queen of Sheba will also stand up against this generation on judgment day and condemn it, for she came from a distant land to hear the wisdom of Solomon. Now someone greater than Solomon is here--but you refuse to listen. Matthew 12:42

d presence of christ doesnt mean we shouldn't read other parts of scripture.
@ Op yes, my pastor preaches for songs of songs, have u ever hear people call Jesus "rose of sharon"? Well they borrowed it from that book.
That part of scripture is usually interpreted with symbolism to mean christ and his bride the church (if you are prone to bad imagination then i'll advise you not to interprete anything there literally).
On the other hand "mystic" interprete that book as a reflection of their personal relation with christ, this is how i interprete it most times.

Simple answer: christmas has been commercialised, the stuff we call "celebrating christmas" today would have caused the earlier xtians to "fear, fear". We have turn it into a day for chicken, drinks and new clothes, d spiritual significance is almost forgotten!
On d otherhand easter's commercialisation is reduced. I think it is time we decide if we want to celebrate the birth of christ and/or resurrection or we are seeking an opportunity to over eat.

Goshen360: New International Version (©2011)
And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.

◄ Matthew 3:9 ►

New International Version (©2011)
What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter?

New Living Translation (©2007)
Abraham was, humanly speaking, the founder of our Jewish nation. What did he discover about being made right with God?

English Standard Version (©2001)
What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh?

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found?

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
◄ Romans 4:1 ►
New Living Translation (©2007)
Circumcision was a sign that Abraham already had faith and that God had already accepted him and declared him to be righteous--even before he was circumcised. So Abraham is the spiritual father of those who have faith but have not been circumcised. They are counted as righteous because of their faith.
◄ Romans 4:11 ►
We shall pick up from here! We must understand the perspective of 'fatherhood' to which Abraham belongs. I will build from those three scriptures that points the 'fatherhood' of Abraham. Abraham is a two-fold meaning man - a spiritual father of them that are of faith and a natural (according to the flesh) father of the Jewish nation.

now you are talking.

Bidam: So by your analogy Enoch died abi? What about Elijah? If you mean spiritual death Abel was righteous before he was killed by his brother.By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead. heb 11:4. also Men live up to a thousand years before they died as is the case with Methuselah. Can you explain that?

it seems christem didnt just jump galatians he also jump hebrew too. You claim abraham was governed by death yet he was reckoned righteous.
Alleluia

Bidam: Apostle Paul knew pple like you will come with another gospel so he debunked your claims. : "If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" ( gal 3:29).

amen to this! My question for christem is: DO YOU BELONG TO CHRIST? If yes THEN HOW COME ABRAHAM IS NOT FATHER FOR XTIANS?

Willzkid: If you know this, then what is the essence of this thread?
why not open a thread to expound the fatherhood of Abraham from your own perspective?
why resort to sensationalism, and thereby negate a Bible truth?
This thread and its title smacks of conceit ..there are better ways of expressing knowledge

this is d exact thing that came to mind when i saw the thread "christians abraham is not your father", that is a negation of biblical truth. Whether abraham is father or not is not up for discussion dat matter is already certain, he is father of christians by his faith. The only part for discussion is about that already established fatherhood of abraham.

frosbel: Father of faith , not Father in practice.

We have one Father and that is GOD.

"And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven." - Matthew 23:9

oh! I see you are argueing from the thread where u were rebuked for criticizing the title father and daddy for "pastors". Now i see where you are leading, after you deny that abraham is no longer our father in faith, d next thing you will deny is dat your biological father shuldnt b called father because of the above verse.

Keep ur personal interpretation to yourself.

Image123: Romans 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
This is an example of what i referred to in that ATMC's thread where she was asking about Eli Eli lama sabacthani

yeah, it seems they draged d arguement out of the tithe thread. I don't understand how their anti tithing doctrine has lead them to deny that abraham is our father in faith.

striktlymi: Good morning Christem,

As a member of the mystical body of Christ, I have to say that the way some of you pass of your private interpretations of sacred scriptures as truths is becoming very alarming.

If you as an individual want to go without having a Christian wedding, not pay tithe, decides that Abraham is not your father in faith, then I won't have an ish with it but to attempt to present these as something that should be applicable to every Christian is not appropriate.

I am a Christian, I am a Catholic Christian and I believe firmly that anyone who WANTS to, can pay tithe without feeling any obligation, I believe firmly that supporting the church with our time, talents and treasures is very important, I believe firmly that going to bless a union in Church is a very good practice and I believe firmly that Abraham is my father in faith.

#Its high time we taught love of God an neighbour and not some personal interpretation of sacred scriptures.


Thank you!

my dear i must agree with you here, it seems everyone is been forced to accept another's private interpretation. Abraham is my father in faith, the bible say so, the oral traditions say so, the church proclaims it and lastly and most importantly, I BELIEVE.

Reyginus: Jesus Christ. I hope this diversion works for us.

so if Jesus is d word of God and head of the church how come you have been trying to interprete my comments on d church and subtracting christ?

Kay 17: ^^^
You haven't still described the authority upon which the bible stands

very interesting!

Zikkyy: You don start again why force someone to worship other gods? If the man says he is celebrating Christ resurrection, why accuse him of worshiping something else. Abi you saw the man in sango worshipping attire sacrificing a goat to sango?

abeg help me ask am.

Freksy: I mentioned two people - David and Uzzah. David overstepped the bound set for him regarding method of ark transport. Uzzah acted in "error", see 2sa. 6:7 - KJV. They both disobeyed, irrespective of the word we use. Disobedience is encompassing, i.e, is an all-embressing word. One can disobey by overstepping - by going beyond what is allowed.

Majorly, we learn through object lessons from bible stories, expressly stated laws and By bible principles. We can sin either by disobeying the laws or violating bible principles.
Using the microphone in worship is not a sin, but if a bible principle is violated regarding its use, it can be sinful.


See the following and tell if they are laws, if they are not, should we discard the message therein?
"But in vain they do worship me , teaching for doctrines the commandments of men" Matt. 15:9

"As I urged you when I was leaving for Macedonia, stay on in Ephesus to instruct certain people not to spread false teachings," 1Tim.1:3 NET

"If someone spreads false teachings and does not agree with sound words (that is, those of our Lord Jesus Christ)...he is conceited and understands nothing, but has an unhealthy interest in controversies and verbal disputes. 1Tim. 6:3 NET

"Prove all things ; hold fast that which is good" 1Thess. 5:21 - KJV. "But examine all things; hold fast to what is good". - NET.

"Now these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of the mind, examining the Scriptures daily, whether these things were so". Acts 17:11 WEB

Sincerely examine Easter, with its associated rites as 1Thess 5:21 & Acts 17:11 encourage us to, and see if it would have Christ's and Paul's approval if presented to them. Recall that they both said when they are off the earthly scene, there will be infiltration of filth into the clear teachings of Christ. It matters to God greatly what we teach, believe and do. Why did Jesus never command his disciples to celebrate his resurrection but death? Could it be he forgot it. Ok, since he forgot, why did his early disciples not remember it each time they commemorated his death? could it be they too forgot it. Oh I see, our generation of worshipers are wiser and more spirit-directed...lol.

Ubenedictus and italo, have you for once examined Easter celebration to ascertain its root? If you have done so and your findings prove Easter celebration is not pagan-related, but God-commanded, hold fast to it with undisturbed conscience. - 1Thess 5:21 & Acts 17:11

to be sincere i didnt bother to read your long post past d 1st paragraph.
Just show me d part where d bible says in d ark part David sinned. If u can show dat passage then we can discuss.

anonimi: He learnt from the chief scammer aka national leader of the Association of Conmen in Nigeria (ACN).
That was how he was busy doing very good roads around VI and Ikoyi plus Ikeja while stealing Lagos blind.
Bunch of fraudsters.

this has no substance,

anonimi: The water storm project will NOT save generations from flooding IF there is no robust complementary investment in HUMAN development through massive education focused on Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics (STEMS) particularly at the technical (vocational) level to have skills for translating engineering designs into actual structures and maintaining them all year round thereafter.
That is the difference with the vision of Awolowo 60 years ago and the UPN governors 30 years ago.
Comprehensive development.

i cannot disagree but i've gat to say osho grass root education is to be commended but truly we must go from root to top.

Malawian: dualing that road is something that needds to be done! In fact, a serious minded person will agree that that road even needs to be a 4 lane express way. There are so many ways to raise money for it. He can even toll it or spread the money across four/eight years of budgetary provision. That is a legacy acheivement if done. All other roads he is building will still go bad later.

dat is a federal road, weytin e dey find for there? Reconstructing and repair d gully eating auchi jattu road is enough help for d federal goverment. His schools, infrastucture and administration is enuf legacy.

[quote author=Omo_Tier1]Dualizing that road would gulp half entire budget of the state for a year! The man is doing alot on roads, the truth be said, from what I saw, He has focused His attention on villages where farmers need to get their farm produce out to the market with ease. The main road leading to Fuga which Ogiadhomeh could not use His influence, first as deputy governor and now as principal secretary to the president, has been fixed by Oshiomhole to a very high standard.[/quote]oga u get eye.

Malawian: I know it is a federal government road, but until he has dualised that narrow benin-ekpoma-auchi road (the main trunk road linking all 3 senetorial disticts in the state) that guzzles students lives on weekly basis, he has done all of bullshi.t. Btw, edo state does not satrt and end in Bside.

dat is a federal road, osho has no business there, and incase u dont know f.G has awarded d road d auchi-agbede part is already under construction. D f. G is dualising it as we speak, kudos to my senators.

NRI PRIEST: Oga mr. gullible, let me quickly remind you that Anambra has a better school system,health system,better road network and governance more than Edo. How many industries has your Oshio brought to Edo. He is wasting tax payers money to beautify Benin to please the Omo n' Oba while the rest of the stae rot in neglet. Anambra is relatively a new state still and you lots are not financially better of than us. Everythin Obi has done he did it with Anambra money. NO BORROWING!!!!

sorry my dear, development can b found even in d outskirts of edo state.
And lastly, what roads are you talking about? You mean the one with open gutter and a capacity to burst your tires? Now dont tell me abt d onitcha road jonathan is constructing. What health are you talking about? D most popular hopital in awka is regina, isn't it? Dont let me talk d story oh. Again what school system last two weeks i still saw children outside sitting on the floor in a primary school at nnodu awka, do you want d name so u can check for yourself? All d boards in ur schools are chalk board, delapitating buildings, new ones are coming but old one are dying without renovation, your schools still uses long seats, wooden doors, open cieling, broken cement. Don't make me begin to call names, even your pry 6 pulpils can't speak well constructed sentences, not even pigin they speak ibo, go to nnamdi azikiwe and see students who can't repond when english is spoken! He can't even take care of d schools anylonger and has been asking missions to take back their schools, i'm i lying? So what school and health system are u talking about?
I'll let d road part slide becos i notice he has been soliciting aid from world bank to make roads, d reason he doesn't borrow is because of those aids.


Just to add, take a look at anambra you will find dirty everywhere!

Go and ask d anambra man what peter obi has done and he will tell you d truth: OBI MADE HIS PERSONAL FACTORY TO PRODUCE HERO BEER.
Mmaya men.

NRI PRIEST: My Benin is looking great and I can hardly recognize RING ROAD.
That aside,your comment is exactly what I have been hammering on..."how about other parts of the state" Development must be spread out before Oshiomole can beat his chest and say he has achieved something.

and my dear development is spread out, i'm in edo for the easter holidays and i took time to visit places outside benin, from my jorney outside benin the first thing i noticed was the iruepken road that was broadened (before is was carried by water, erosion), make no mistake it was done by the f. G but i know it took much to call attention to it, kudos to the senators. Ekpoma was looking great with street lights on the busy roads, well constructed and equiped school and water (dis is very significant becos d water table is very far from d surface thus no water) among other thing, similar structures at irrua, same at ewu, i didnt visit agbede and it neighbouring villages, it auchi was extra superb wide roads, with follower by d side, good drianage, auchi-jattu road was previously eating by gully erosion, the was was reconstructed with abt 4 lanes, all roads to and from d polythenic were in superb conditions, public school reconstructed and equiped and a school for d disabled. These are just a few places i was able to name, not to talk of esanland and akoko edo. If we are talking distribution d edo governor has it

[quote author=Omo_Tier1]I heard of Oshiomhole's strides in Edo State and when I was in Nigeria not too long ago, I went to that state to see for myself! It is not a fluke what you are seeing on the pics post by the op. Given the fact that Edo budget is 1/3rd that of Delta and much of the revenue to the state is from small business taxation which is very difficult to rain in, I give his government a thumbs up.

The Benin city water storm project, huge expansion of the central hospital, schools with floor tiles, proper toilets, very comfortable individual desk and chairs, water project in Edo central, dualization in Igarra, Auchi, and one rural road that cuts across 22, I mean 22 villages, just to say a few of the projects I saw with my eyes.

If anything, all the major roads that was being expanded which I saw have standard dividers, with greens, covered walkways, with standard road markings. Sapele road shown in one of the pics was constructed by Setraco and I tell you it is a 6-lane road of very high quality!

This is not to say they aren't areas the government need to improve upon, but whatI can say is where money has been spent, it is obvious to the sincere at heart that it has been good value for money spent. No doubt, if Edo continue to invest in infrastructure in this manner with proper maintenance, the state will become a choices destination for those running away from the dirtiness of onitsha, Asaba, Warri, etc.[/quote]just to add, in all my years of touring nigeria i have never seen a goverment secondary school of osho's standard.
Let me ask you guy if any of you attended public schools with glass windows, bullet poof door, about 6 fans per class room, marker boards, well made individual sits, tilled floor, pvc ceiling, well equiped biology, physics and chemistry labs with internet connection. If your governor builds such schools mention his name!!!!!!

[quote author=oily-Yoruba]This is the most du.mb comment ever. Mr edo man masquerading as Igbo, be proud of your edo lineage and stop pretending to be what you're not. Peter Obi is by far above your empty and loud-mouthed governor.[/quote]u really have no idea, what has peter obi done? Before the easter holiday i was in anambra state, what is obi doing there? Answer: packing dirt yet d place is still very dirty and smelling yet you refuse to take the previlegde of been happy at a good thing.
You must be a sadist!

Reyginus: Strikly, I get the drift. Thank you. This is the last from an outside source.
But let me correct an impression. That a quote is a lie does not take anything away from its greatness.

did you write the bolded or did one of the moderator mistakenly modify ur post?

ijawkid: You guys are nt celebrating the ressurection christ...you are swimming in the pagan celebration of easter which Jesus himself never instituted.....don't u get it??......

Must you guys always tie Jesus to paganism......can't you leave Jesus alone??........leave him alone and hug paganism.....choose one and leave the other.............

What is Jesus' business with easter??.....

now my dear tell me the name of the christian community close to you that preach any thing apart from jesus arose on easter? You can't go about making such claims unless u can prove that a particular christian community preach about a pagan god during easter.
Jesus business with easter is that jesus rose again from d dead.

dem wan crucify seun oh! But i doubt e go rise again.

Reyginus: I don't know if you've lost track of your point. Your point was that it behoves on the church to determine what heresy is. I inquired who decides what is contrary to christainity, and you posited, the head has given the body power to bind, in other words, the body decides. My confusion now is, if their is a corelation between the power to bind and the power to term anything heresy. I wonder where the word of God stand in all this.

d problem is: what do u understand to be d word of God?

Give evidence dat d popes said d above.

Reyginus: Our brother, Acidosis quoting a site
https://www.nairaland.com/1240694/40-shocking-terrible-quotes-pope
1. The Pope is God on Earth
2. I (Pope) am in all and above all, so that God
Himself and I, the vicar of God, hath both one
consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God
can do.
3. Again, if prelates of the Church be called of Constantine for gods, I then being above all
prelates, seem by this reason to be above all
gods.
4. "The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on
earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and
full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock.
5. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire
church, the father and teacher of all Christians.
6. He is the infallible ruler
7. The arbiter of the world
8. The supreme judge of heaven and earth. 8. The judge of all, being judged by no one, God
himself on earth." Quoted in the New York
Catechism.
9. "The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted
that he is not a mere man but as it were God, and
the vicar of God. 10. "The Pope alone is called most holy".
11. "Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple
crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of
hell."
12. "So that if it were possible that the angels
might err in the faith, or might think contrary to the faith, they could be judged and
excommunicated by the Pope.
13. "...the Pope is as it were God on earth, sole
sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings,
having plenitude of power." Lucius Ferraris, in
"Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica,
Historica", Volume V, article on "Papa, Article II",
titled "Concerning the extent of Papal dignity,
authority, or dominion and infallibility", #1, 5,
13-15, 18, published in Petit Montrouge (Paris) by
J. P. Migne, 1858 edition. 14. "The Pope and God are the same".
15. ^^ ...so he has all power in Heaven and earth."
Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p.
218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous".
16. “...We hold upon this earth the place of God
Almighty..." Pope Leo XIII, in Praeclara Gratulationis Publicae (The Reunion of
Christendom), Encyclical promulgated on June 20,
1894.
17. "The Pope cannot make a mistake." Pope
Gregory VII, [/i] (quoted by The Benedictine
Network in a listing of notable items by the various popes throughout history). [/i] http://www.whiterobedmonks.org/ netsor1a.html
18. "The Pope is of great authority and power,
that he is able to modify , declare, or interpret even divine laws.
19. “The Pope’s authority is unlimited,
incalculable; it can strike, as Innocent III says,
wherever sin is; it can punish every one; it
allows no appeal and is itself Sovereign Caprice;
for the Pope carries, according to the expression of Boniface VIII, all rights in the Shrine of his
bosom.
20. As he has now become infallible, he can by
the use of the little word, 'orbi,' (which means
that he turns himself round to the whole Church)
make every rule, every doctrine, every demand, into a certain and incontestable article of Faith.
21. I (Pope) am in all and above all.
22. "We confess that the Pope has power of changing Scripture and of adding to it, and
taking from it according to his will ."
22. "We confess that whatever new thing the
Pope ordains, rather it be in Scriptures or not in Scripture , and whatever he commands is true, divine and salvific" and therefore ought to be
held by Lay People in greater esteem than the
living God.
23. "He who does not enter by the door of the
fold shall not have salvation. The door of the fold
is the Catholic Church and union with the Head who represents Jesus Christ. "St. Frances Xavier
Cabrini, "Travels", Chicago: 1944...
24. "No man...outside the faith of the Church and
obedience to the Roman Pontiff can finally be
saved. "Pope Clement VI, Epistle of September 29,
1351 25. "It is error to believe that, if the Pope were a
reprobate and an evil man and consequently a
member of the devil, he has no power over the
faithful".

now am a bit surprised where he got a number of those quotes.

frosbel: I fellowship , the people are the church , we do not go to the church , we are the church.

There is one church or body of believers not more than 1.

"There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called;" - Ephesians 4:4

you fellowship in what congregation?