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christemmbassey: bro this is not an inquisition we are studying the word of God here freely so the question of whether 'u like it or not' does not arise. Remember i said something about undastanding Paul? Now, thats where the adopted children of Abraham missed it. The Word seed as used in Gen 3:15 and Gen12:3 and Gal3:29 etc may be the same word but caries dif connatations, it means the redeemer, son, line(age) an acti in the case of Abraham (faith) etc. do u know that faith is also described as a 'seed' ? 2thes1:3 because if u cultivate it, it can grow, thats why we have little faith matt 14:31, great faith matt 15:28 etc. So this faith thing that connects the christian and Abraham is like saying Heroditus is the father of history and all historians regards him as such does it mean that he is the father of all historians? NO, but some historian who adores him because of what he did with history can write a very good piece and say that all historians are the children of Herodutus. It is common knowledge that if u do something as good as a pioneer u may b called the child of that person just because of that act(seed) u've displayed. Maybe, just maybe If Christ did not die it would been easier and Christ died and removed every trace of Adam, and we believe in the Glorified Christ who himself never claimed to be the son of Abraham. We have faith just like Abraham but God is our father. We live in a better dispensation with a better life . We are new creation with a dif type of life, u cant trace our origin to Abraham. Finaly, THE MAN THAT HAD FAiTH LIKE ABRAHAM and believed WAS REPLACED BY THIS NEW BOrN AGAIN MAN, so actually no connection. Now i know this is even harder. Peace

sorry my dear, somethings are certain and i believe paul spoke in certain terms he said by faith those who believe are "seeds of abraham", the meaning of seeds in this context is simple it means "by faith we ar CHILDREN of abraham", i see no reason why you wish to twist as turn "seed" to mean another thing.



If i was good at throwing the word "heresy" around, i would have no problem taging the bolded as such. You said d man that had faith like abraham was replaced by the new born again man, that is nonsense. Your old man, the self of sin was replaced by a new man, a born again man who by faith is a child of abraham, and in christ is a heir of abraham's blessings.
Goshen u were d guy busy endorsing the message i hope you take time to correct the bolded.

This is why i earlier said you were simply shrouding yourself.

anukulapo: Reality would become tradition over time (of it being practiced). There would be no problem if the tradition held on to is the truth--the unfailing truth.

amen.

Boomark: I agree with you. But when you look at the all bolded, He did not give us 2 parts of a story just to confuse His children.
Whichever one is sealed from our knowledge is sealed.

the trinity doesnt have "two parts of a story to confuse us" truthfully, the knowledge of the trinity isn't different from the above questions.

Boomark: You are not the only one that is this confuse about trinity. To some of us it will be as if God showed us part of his nature and gave us also a counter part just to confuse us. And for us not to know His true nature. Eg The Father is the God of Jesus yet Jesus is equal to his God.
The catholic church believe just as chukwudi quoted, that it is a "mystery" and no one will ever know the truth about it unless in the last day.
But i still wonder if our loving God will want to confuse us this way instead of sealing it from us completely. May the church fathers help us stand in faith.

hope the bolded isn't sacasm? I don't alway appreciate it.
For the above it depends on what you understand by "the father is the God of Jesus", and what you understand by "equality".

striktlymi: Good morning Chuks,
I read through the 'article of faith' you put up there and all I can think about is the proclamation of Christ' apostles: "Didn't our hearts burn within us while he was speaking with us". It is indeed true that the more one lingers on the mystery of the most holy trinity, the more confused one gets.

really?? How does the trinity confuse you??

How can God be one and three at the same time?

take note, God isn't exactly a person. GOD IS A NATURE, that is why d greek word for God isn't exactly personal, theo, can mean "diety". Thus i can say one essence in 3 persons. D above misunderstanding goes away if essence is differentiated form person.

How can the Father be the source and origin of the blessed trinity and at the same time the Son and Holy spirit are equal to him?

i think some organism on earth reproduce like that. I doesn't suprise me

So many questions that defies the very core of logic and reason when we discuss the trinity; as indeed so many pillars of Christianity.

I believe firmly in the 'definitions' given by the church even though I do not understand them except I see it through 'the looking glass of faith'. Thanks for the input!

amen, through faith.

musKeeto: I hope that, going by this statement, you may also agree that sincerity goes beyond what we claim to profess or even do. The sincerity of a heart can not be gauged by actions (for actions can be easily faked).. I'll get back to this later.

amen! The sincerity of a heart isn't about your actions, it lies in the heart itself. That is why i said "i am not God" becos only God read d heart infalliably.

Yeah, I get the general point you're trying to pass across. The problem is I've met people who left Hinduism for Christianity, then Islam, and back to Hinduism. After their sojourn, they've found peace in Hinduism. I hope I don't need to illustrate how different the Abrahamic and Hindu faiths are.
Maybe, our concept of God--at least the religious ones-- are flawed.
@Sir Str: Hope I'm not derailing your thread. Morning all.

i doubt you are derailing.
I'll like to talk about the bolded. Hope u'll hear me out. I'll outline the principles, except by revelation these are true.
1. Our natural knowledge of God in this world is not an immediate, intuitive cognition, but a mediate abstractive knowledge.
2. Our knowledge of God here below is not proper but anological.
3. The nature of God is incomprehensible to mortals. (note, im willing to review and correct these points!)

from above, you'll see that our natural knowledge of God is a composition of many inadquate concept, therefore it is necessaryly imperfect, it is imperfect but true, for God does posses the perfection attribute to him.

striktlymi: Good evening all,

Sorry I created this thread and seemingly ran away! It wasn't intentional! I have been in and out of town! Anyways, I am back now and hopefully some of you Catholic scholars are going to school me real good in the faith.

@Rich thanks for the referral and I will take your advice and surf the 'site' when I have some spare time. But can you do us a favour and post some short and precise summary f what the website has for us, please. This is to help people like me who are quite 'lazy' to go outside nairaland.

@Chukwudi thanks for the post, I will go through that hopefully tomorrow and probably ask some questions of my own. Don't worry, you won't have to reveal the mystery behind the most blessed trinity.

@Uben thanks for dropping by and giving your thoughtful pointers. Hope to see you back soon though.

@Rey, thanks for your thoughts and hope to seee your contributions soon.

@Uncle Musky, I can see you have some questions too like little ol' me.

@Raz thanks for the resounding "Yes"! I share in your belief too!

thanks the thread is till calm and for me thats good, maybe i'll get the chance to add to spice.

I no fit read your long post but just note, tradition is not opposed to reality so it would be illogical to ask d above question.

[quote author=Muzeya Mpongwe ]Is it right 4 a born again christian 2 sell/take herbs(herbal medicine)?[/quote]sofar na leaves without any incantation or juju.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]it didnt work. sadly. .


well sadly for HIM [/quote]so u are a guy?

Pygru: Anti tithe
anti trinity
anti hell
anti rapture

so which group u put me?

Pygru: Beware of Frosbel, Ijawkid & Seriallink
I like their anti catholism stance, but most of their teachings are laced with false doctrines

Also Beware of the catholic crew led by Italo and assisted by chukwudi44, ubenedictus, striktlymi etc

if you get problem with weytin i dey teach oya point am out and show exactly where i teach am.
Tanks.

Goshen360: This bros, Image123 dey vex o. Chei, you go fear epistle according to Saint Image123 naw.

stop they pull e leg.

christemmbassey: I AM VERY sURE U DOnt undastand what am saying, if i may ask, do i need to bcome the child of Abraham after ive bcome a christian and for what purpose? Mind u i never chalenge Abraham as the father of faith, and bible says we are blessed WITH the faithful Abraham. I said, Abraham is not ur FATHER, can someone have 2fathers? Behold what manner of love has the father bestowed upon us that we should be called the sons of God 1jn3:1.

you dont need to become a biological child of abraham after you are born again, the reality is, the moment you are born again you become a child of abraham by faith. You dont need to become a child of abraham AFTER you are born again. The moment you are born again you are a child of abraham according to faith.
The implication of denying the "spiritual fatherhood" of abraham is that you are directly denying that you are born again.

christemmbassey: prophet, nobody gave me uppercut or what ever, they all miss me, why is it that its almost only you that almost got my gist? Imagine d bible says-we are born of the WORD and some folks think that word mean Abraham, is Abraham=WORD? ITS NOT MY FALT THAT SOME FOLKs cant undastand Paul. Love u bro. Peace.

actually like alwaystrue said, you have mixed everything up! Nobody said the above.
Scripture says if you are in christ, counted among those who believe, born again, a christian, then you are a seed of abraham according to faith . This is true whether u like it or not, whether u accept it or not.

Alwaystrue: The chicken has come home to roost. Despite all the scriptures @christembassy prefers to follow his own opinion. Let him be left alone @Ubenedictus, the guy said Im no be Abraham pikin. Abeg, dem no dey force am.
Next time let him leave Christians Out of it.

well, i tried to put it word for word with scripture, e say e no want.

christemmbassey: @ Ube, i said Abraham is the father of faith, if u want anything more than that, sorry, i cant help u. Do u know who Adams Smith is?

sorry my dear, abraham is not "the father of faith" the bible doesn't say that. Abraham is the father of those who believe as regards to faith. If u can't concur with the bible then i think this is a waste of time.

Freksy: How come you know the very one I was talking about, the one u pretended u stopped @ paragraph 1. Go & respond 2 those scriptures let see.

i stoped at d 1st paragraph doesn't mean am ignorant of your point and seriously they are not worth my time, if you claim xtians are "overstepping" then you must first show d "step" that was overstepped.

I know u'r scripture-shy, but let me still try; show me where it is written: "where there is no law there is no sin". Please don't fail me this time.

rm 5:13, 4:15 and u really dont know me.

frosbel: What about Jesus.

glory to him

Reyginus: Lol. Let's be honest here please. In my argument so far, I've done my best to put the word of God in perspective with the central theme. That I made clear right from the first page.
The difference between what you described as church and the one above is the absence of function, as instructed by the head. You never considered what the head has to say but the body. And is in your case, the body has gone contrary to the nature of the head. The head was neglected in your (and their) assessment.

u wish to provide proof or u are contented in accusing me

Goshen360: ^ Abeg leaf story for story tellers. You sabi the 'guy' and me know the guy too much. Any thread I enter, you will always see him there.....but the guy like tithe too much o. You dey get the gist?

hehehehe, i only notice say dem get guy wey u dey call troll. And seriously i believe both of you can get together sometimes and break break, if u get what i mean.

Goshen360: ....please underline "as regards to faith".....Bros, you just wan hammer this my brother to reverse his statement sha. You wicked small o

i have to be sure, and yes all emphasis on 'as regards to faith'

Segeggs: ^ how can the devil pray for peace?

if for you the pope is the devil, then i guess you just say your 'devil' pray for peace in Jesus name!+have a niece day.

Goshen360: ^ ^ ^ Yeah, I dey feel you bros. At least, you no be like some wey I know their names for this forum but they are my best friend o wey dem go modify first before them endorse You sabi who I dey talk about shey? No be my mouth you go hear the 'guy' name o

wu b the guy?? No put me for trouble oh!

christemmbassey: Abraham is the father of faith. God bless.

a response that is significantly different from the question. I'll ask again, is abraham the father of christian as regards to faith? yes or no, will suffice!

ijawkid: hehehe...at least you have met one who would not let u rest....lol....i wish say na me come ya house..you for hear am.....we do nt play or prey on d ignorant...we present d truths to people raw and not hide behind d cloak of paganism or idolatry...

spare me the crap! I started reading ur stuff from a very young age, my extended jws made sure i was supplied with heavy anti catholic material. I gave me a reason to study your stuff and see the faulty logic behind them. That is why u never answer when i ask u what adoration is made up of.

Freksy: Is this the kind of sermon you preach in your church? Hmmm, I can see why you would also say child molestation is not a sin, for I am sure there is so such law as, thou shall not commit child...

I can't repeat what I told you before, I provided scriptures that question your celebration, you refused to comment on any of them. Friend, please do me one favor; ensure that you don't preach the above in your church and will hide the comment from kids - it will breed more molesters and other related vices of which the bible does not expressly say: thou shall not...

i said "where there is no law there is no sin"
besides u didnt show any scripture that questioned any celebration! U remember ur main plea was "overstepping"?

ijawkid: hehehe......u ask this same stale questions all d time when ur faced with truths....


even when u stubbornly worship dead pieces of meat n cant be convinced other wise,i wonder what would convince u nd ur ilks to stop celebrating d pagan ishtar.......



even Jesus when asked questions as regards worship gave retorts from d scriptures....



why cant u?..instead ur asking us to show u from d scriptures where it says servants of God should nt adopt pagan practices....because u know d background of the ishtar or pashca ur observing..

before u said its eostre now u say its ishtar, which is it.
Tell me about pashca!

musKeeto: What makes a heart sincere?

my dear, i am not God who judges the heart, i can claim to have a sincere heart, but i doubt its easy to define sincere.

Can one who searches for God find hims outside Catholicism or even Xtianity?

other religions posses at least on truth, "there is the supernatural" and thus and serve as stepping stones for each man who wishes to find God.
The desire of God is to draw man to himself, there is a quote about d glory of God is the happiness of man (i don't think d quote is exact), those religion may be the begining of the truth for many.
I hope i made sense.

Mart d dart: Heavy words?...that's what sets me apart from you...I am focused on shedding light on the truth but You, on the other hand is intent on being square ..this is not an argument, rather is it a test to show our oratory or literary prowess, I see this as a chance to find Truth...I pray you see same

i'm not trying to make an arguement, i'm just been realistic, if i join you to start throwing scriptures around this thread won't end well. The heavy word won't come from me, i don't use them, they may not come form you, but they will come.

Obinoscopy: Is he a she?

i no know