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nakash: The pope is either being ignorant or is being economical with the truth. Hatred of non muslims stem from their quran. He should enlighten his flock to understand that violence by muslims to non muslims is a religious duty advocated and sanctioned by the quran. Hence the senseless slaughter by Boko Haram.

pope benedict once quoted an ancient discussion by a christian and a muslim where d christian said the quran advocates violence, take note benedict didnt say, he quoted somebody who said so while giving a lecture, and that week christians were killed left, right and center. You preach that someone's faith is a cause of violence, then be ready to get blood on your hands.

sureteeboy: I can't give you the exact date, but do you think that really matters? What matters now is that they are presently worshiping an Idolized mary. but I know it has started a long time ago sha. I can't post a link here but If you need full proof, kindly send me a mail and I'll give it to you

if u think catholic left d right track then u have to show when, if your answer is "when catholics started venerating image" then you've gat a problem all the ancient churches has always and still venerate image. In essence that means catholics were never on the right track.
Re-evaluate.

After a while she'll say, "april fool!"

Alwaystrue: @Ubenedictus,
Thanks for the correction.



Oh so now you accept he made an error. after initially accepting he spoke the gospel truth, ehn?
You don disown am join, say im for explain better.

The guy never said anything about Abraham, as father of Christians according to the flesh, He was specific about what he meant and explained it was about the spirit, na you no wan gree now just because he aligns with almost all you say. All these your reconciliatory measures just makes it funnier.

Remain small you for endorse message join...'I am Goshen360 and I endorse this message!'

thats goshen for you, after he endorse, he modifies, you just gat to love d guy

christemmbassey: am using phone so i cant bold where i want to emphasis, remember i told u in one of the tithe thread that i had a BOMB it was because i knew many will misundastand me being very much aware of ppl attachment to Abraham, especially faith teachers and nearly not post. Its unfortunate that i made this post b4 the sad incident of satday which actually unsettles me beyond words. Thatsnot withstanding, i made this post after reading ALMOST all verses that mentioned Abraham especially in the NT. The christian is someone who is born again and the bible in 1Peter1:23-"being born again, not of coruptible seed but of incoruptible, by the WORD of God, which liveth and abided forever", now how can Abraham who was not born again be the father of christian? Is it because his acts of faith was 'imputed' to him as righteousness? I know the problem, it is taking the writings of Paul litterary..

despite goshen semi apology on ya behalf i still think u are shouding yaself, i'll like to go rest now. Is abraham father of christians accoding to faith? Yes or no will be fine.
After your answer, i'll take my leave.

Mart d dart: read LUKE 11: 27 and read what Jesus said to a woman who tried to "honour" mary
Also read Matthew 6:7 for your "holy rosaries"
Celibacy/Priests not getting married is wrong 1Timothy 3:2, 1Timothy 4:1
doctrine of Original sin is false Ezekiel 18:20
study to show yourself approved

you are taking more than you can chew. One step at a time, if i decide to bombard you with links and quotes as you have done so far, this thread will end in heavy words, believe me, we don't want that.

Kindly drop you emotional arguement if you want a discussion. Thanks.

Acidosis: Mary cannot pray for you, woman.

Since you said God has a mother- MARY, who is the father of God- Joseph??

Is this not a heart breaking blasphemy??
Why are you people breaking God's heart?? what sort of nonsense is this??

As God done a bad thing by allowing his son come down from Heaven to take a human form just because of your sins, my sins, Mary's sin, Joseph's sins and the sins of pastors, popes, bishops and every gaddamn f00lish sinners on earth??

How can you ask Mary to pray for you? someone that can never die for her husband let alone the whole world??

You guys always pray to Mary and then confess Peter as the first pope... show me a single verse of the bible where your first pope prayed to Mary

Mart d dart: "Why do i pray to her for help?She is the easiest most wholesome way to christ(her son) heart"
for all Y'all with same views READ 1 TIMOTHY 2: 5 and get enlightened

i tim doesn't contradict what he said.

Dazl: @ Mard d dart
am going to stress on'honouring Mary nd praying the rosary.if u were a catholic as claimed,u shud knw hw the rosary was introduced in 1917 @ Fatimah..by 3 kids..take note of the date(dar was civilisation nd education @ dat time)its major purpose was 4 the conversion of d world nd repentance of sinners....is it biblical?

the above isn't exactly correct, the rosary in its present form predates fatima by over a century, in its form in antiqity it predates fatima by over a mellinuim

HAIL MARY,FUL OF GRACE,THE LORD IS WITH U,BLESSED ARE YOU AMONGST WOMEN
(luke1:28)
BLESSED IS THE FRUIT OF THY WOMB(Luke1:42).
HOLY MARY MOTHER OF GOD...isnt she the mother of God(Jesus)
PRAY FOR US SINNERS NOW AND THE HOUR OF OUR DEATH...wot prayer kud b swita dan dix...the prayer is meaningless if u make vain repetions(not meditating bt reciting)
if you think a virgin nd mother of our saviour dosnt desav honour,its ida u dont knw the minin of honour or u simply retarded...she wasnt d onli virgin @ dat time bt d only one chosen..
Why do i pray to her for help?She is the easiest most wholesome way to christ(her son) heart
if i can ask my pastor to pray 4 me,why nt MARY...wot son wil turn down d pleas of his mother

peace.

Im so disappointed.

Mart d dart: I'm happy you chose a civilized avenue to let your views known...

i usually do.

On "Honouring" Mary
www.gotquestions.org/worship-saints-mary.html

instead of providing a discusion u decided to give me a link!
I asked what was wrong with HONORING many and you give a thread against adoring mary. Dont u know the difference between honor and adoration? If you are against d adoration of mary then so am i. If you are against honoring mary then i differ and i respectfully ask that you show me how honoring mary is wrong.

On Peter being Pope and why the title " Pope" was not dictated by the Bible
www.bible.ca/cath-peter=pope.htm

neither was the word "bible" dictated by the bible. Both word were given by men.

here's an overview of some of the teachings that are not in accordance with the bible
www.bible.ca/cath-overview-false-teaching.htm

and how am i to argue with a link??

For the record, I'm not the initiator of this thread but I believe I'll try my best to treat your views with consideration

am not accusing you of anything.

P.S my point with Romans being spear heads of "Christianity" stems from them trying over the centuries to adulterate Christianity by inducing teachings that are not in compliance with the Gospel

do you mind producing the document where the "romans" agree to corrupt christianity, or should i accept the above because you say so.

praying to Mary to intercede for you is wrong, read 1 Timothy 2: 5

if asking the intercession of mary is wrong, that means asking the intercession of your pastor is also wrong. Fair enough?

Alwaystrue: I think I am beginning to understand where the issue lies. Did anyone say we have to come to God through Abraham. You have mixd it all up.

The bible said, all those in Christ have become heirs of Abraham. Jesus coming helped to fulfil God's promise to Abraham making him a father of all nations. And this nation are those in Christ.

Galatians 3:29
And now that you belong to Christ, you are the true children[t] of Abraham. You are his heirs, and God’s promise to Abraham belongs to you.

Romans 4:16
So the promise is received by faith. It is given as a free gift. And we are all certain to receive it, whether or not we live according to the law of Moses, if we have faith like Abraham’s. For Abraham is the father of all who believe.





Now the truth is coming out. Abraham does not save you. You are just a fulfilment of the promise God made to Abraham as seen above. No one said you should worship or idolise Abraham.



There was a plan and Abraham was the worthy person due to His faith. So all this whether or not Abraham was used does not hold water, I will advise you do not even toe that line.
The scripture has said it, that all those who believe and have faith are heirs of Abraham according to promise. God became flesh and came to save the world of their sins and he came through Abraham as promised by God. So before Abraham was, I am is truth and does not even help your argument because Jesus has been since the beginning, the pharisees did not even have the faith of Abraham. It doesn't negate you being a son of God. I really wonder what is scaring you in all this.

i'll like to emphasize the bolded.

christemmbassey: @Allwaystrue, My problem is using phone, but i'll try. Lets go back to Gen 3:15, that was when God said the 'seed' of the woman shall bruise the head of the serpent, he was talking about the redemtive work of Jesus, where was Abraham?, i am not taking anything from Abraham, he was God's friend, but no matter how close u are to someone, u cant b closer than that person's child. Oh the faithful Abraham was a good example, but when i recieved Christ nobody mentioned Abraham, it was the love of God in jn 3:16 etc, the gospel of Jesus which i accepted withont proof that made me a christian and not the faith exploits of Abraham. Now, with or without Abraham Jesus would have come, because there was allready a plan b4 Abraham showed up, so Abraham line was just available for the plan to pass through thats why some of us pity Judas Iscariot so much. Abraham being the father of faith did not have anything to do with me bcoming a Christian' i respect him for his faith and being the father of Isreal. My FATHER IS GOD and i know my biological(earthly) father.

abraham isn't "the father of faith", he is our father in faith.

Goshen360: ^ I will NOT do much work here since you, Alwaystrue have put everything in proper perspective. The OP does not in any way claim that Abraham IS NOT THE FATHER OF FAITH OR THEM THAT ARE OF FAITH. It is people who will not take time to understand him or rather let him land. I knew he was talking about Abraham, NOT BEING A FATHER OF CHRISTIAN as according to the flesh.

He definitely knows and understands that Abraham is a 'spiritual' father for us who are of faith in Christ. The seed promised was Christ and that is how the whole nations shall be or are blessed IN ABRAHAM, by being in Christ because in THY SEED (singular) shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

Like I said, Abraham is a two-fold meaning man - father or patriarch of the Jewish nation and spiritual (faith) father of all those in Christ.....by faith that it might be by Grace are you saved. In the fulfilled promised, that is in Christ, we are more blessed than Abraham. Hence, I strong those who sing Abraham's blessings are mine do err.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, Ephesians 3:20

Christians are in-dwelled by the Spirit of God....power that works IN us. Abraham wasn't indwelled. It is this 'faith' that we are of and that Abraham had in the promised seed and God's covenant that connects us, not the law. That's why you would see, most things that Apostle Paul did was to tear down the law of Moses BUT said, the promise\covenant which was BEFORE the law cannot be abolished.

to be continue

actually my dear, the op didn't use the bolded phase. At the end it seem he has succesfully shouded himself.

striktlymi: Good evening please,

My name is...and I was a pagan by birth and a Catholic by choice. I have been doing a lot of thinking recently and most of my thoughts have been geared towards the beliefs of my brothers and sisters in the Catholic faith.

Enough of the 'small talk', I have some questions I need answered please if you don't mind. I need the answers to be deeply rooted in the teachings of the Church.

The questions are:

1) What does the church teach about the most holy trinity?

2) What does the church teach about the salvation of the souls of non-catholics?

#Please I need every Catholic who opens this thread to contribute. "I don't know" is an acceptable answer.


Thank you!

i dont know how i missed this! I was going through page 1 of d religion section. I'll be back.
Catholics believes in the trinity.
As for d eternal destinies of non-catholics we believe God can save any who thru no fault of their own do not know d gospel message but seeks d truth with a sincere heart.

D part that touched me most is his person

seno408: like seriously

it seems u visited your old topic

ijawkid: you do know iI wont come out here to tout about converts or announce who and who has renounced Catholism...

what chukwudi is asking for is so childish....



meanwhile u knw say my own evangelism pass my stay here on nairaland...i go to peoples doors and discuss these issues too....
how u dey?

i dey fine! Since i was 12 no Jw ever tried "coverting" me, i gave the last guys a very heavy dose, they came with their self righteousnes with the thought i didnt read the bible. When they left they were asking if i was in a theology school for minors, Since then they've avoided me like plague.
U only prey on the ignorant.

Mart d dart: Gbam!..I WAS a catholic but i took some time out and thought about it...Romans were amongst the masterminds in the deaths and persecution of countless disciples..

ofcourse romans persecuted christians, and many other romans were converted to christainity, so what is your point?

St. Peter was never the first pope of the catholic faith PROOF NEEDED,

thank God you said proof needed, i am waiting

Jesus said he would make Peter the ROCK. Plus, Peter never said He was "God"...there were a lot of Rites that I didn't see as christian-like: Rosary usage was strictly spoken against by the Bible...

where did you get the bolded from?

Honouring Mary is also very wrong...

again where does the bible say this or you just think so?

I'll appreciate civilized and unbiased analysis at this point

i hope u consider d above "civilized".
Peace.

christemmbassey: one of the brethren who died led in praise and worship throughout the crusade and was about to release his debute gospel album, the womam who was his sponsore went to the hospital and pleaded with him not to die but come and fulfil his dream to the Lord, he said no that he want to be with the Lord, and he died in her hands. *tears wont allow me, bro Goshen pls help respond to odas posts*

oooohh!!! Have faith in the mercy of the Almighty. Paul once wished to died so he'll be with christ. It's the pascha season, its time to ask death Where is ur victory, where is your sting.
Praise be to the father thru christ Jesus who has willed that by the death of christ death (in d spirit) may be distroyed, and by his resurrection we may hope for eternal live.
Amen.

Goshen360: Glory to God. You're stepping forward and also CROSS OVER TO THIS OTHER SIDE. But make sure you burn down all those shrines and whatever juju you have there o.

don't jubilate yet. She may be doing this to mac will unban her.

frosbel: Believers who existed before the Bible used scripts and scrolls that contained the original letters, gospels, prophets etc.

they also had original letters of 1 clement, gospel to the egyptians, the acts of paul e.t.c and yet u dont read those books.

In the time of Paul, there was no BIBLE, only scripture written on parchments
Is it not an Irony that the Catholic church that supposedly hold the Bible to be so sacred , refused to allow the masses own a copy much less give them the freedom to interpret it's precious truths.

Your cult has been a thief of the souls , minds and hearts of men , telling them what they should think and holding them in perpetual bondage.
Millions have been freed and many more will follow suit.

actually i chanlenge u to give documents where people where killed for owning a bible, i put it to you that you have been grossly misinformed.
On d matter of interpretation even d bible say "scripture is not a matter of personal interpretation"

frosbel: The bible is simply a collection of books written over thousands of years by genuine , holy spirit filled men of GOD.

God can also use his enemies to achieve his purpose, I hope you know that :

“In the LORD's hand the king's heart is a stream of water that he channels toward all who please him.” - Proverbs 21:1

Regarding the church fathers, the only thing they all agreed on was to disagree on everything, tell me why they were constantly bickering and fighting over dots and jots while neglecting the weightier matters of mercy , justice and truth ?

The bible suffices for me, thanks to those who collated it into one book even though they negated this kindness by preventing millions from having access to these wonderful truths while preventing others from applying personal interpretation based on reason and logic.

It’s funny how the RCC likes to be seen as the sole interpreter , teacher and guide to the blind , when this is the work of the Holy Spirit.

another thing the church father agreed on was the veneration of images! Infant baptism, true presence of Jesus in consecrated bread and wine, praying for and to the dead, d list goes on. But ofcourse u reject all of d above.

sureteeboy: From these pictures They worship no one else but virgin mary. Also check that illuminati pyramid,

the catholic church has always venerated images right from the 1st century. That is why i asked you to give a date.

gly2ken: The book of songs of song was written by solomon when he has already backslided. This book of the bible does not have God written on it. God was replaced by love.

1 timothy says "All scripture are inspired and useful for...", are u saying songs of songs isn't scripture.

Gistwitherico: very good dear, ur on point! But also songs of solomon helps our own wholesome relationships and makes christian spirit filled brethren more romantic to their spouses and family.. U just need 2 read that book with revelational backing, and u'd enjoy it definitely.

amen.

Adamsdelrio: Songs of songs(Solomon) is a book that shows the intensity and illustration of christ's love towards his church(Bride).It was witten by som1 who has vast knowledge about the attracting and beautiful attributes of women.The book should not be interpreted literally.Only interpretation from the holy spirit can make it understandable.

amen.

Goshen360: The way you people reason scriptures at times, I'm afraid. What the statement of Christ meant is what it meant - Greater than Solomon is here. If Solomon had much wisdom as he had then, greater than Solomon is Christ. If Solomon had mush wealth\blessings, greater than Solomon is Christ. Solomon existed literally as a person but he was also a type of Christ. Whatever Solomon was, it was fulfilled in Christ.

The law and the prophets were all pointing to Christ. In Christ is the complete revelation of truth, wisdom and mystery. Hence, when you're readying or studying the Old, look no further thing other than Christ. In the time of Christ and the Apostles, when the New Testament had not yet being completed, they only relied on the Old then. We're too blessed now not to be deep in the word of God because we have both the Old and the New Testament.

again, i dont get your point, solomon was fulfilled in christ Ameeen so was the law and d prophets. Does that mean they should be thrown away?? Yes or no will suffice.

dokie: frosbel, a man who engages a mad man in a discussion is pathetic. luther and calvin were the front runners during the reformation. they both believed in the sola scriptura theology yet they couldnt agree between themselves on many christian issues because they interpreted scripture differently. all christian denominations other than the catholic church including your sect, others like yours and the disillusioned david stewalt of Jesus is savior.com claim to be sola scriptura based yet almost all interpret the bible differently. now in a situation like this, the spirit behind the commands or law of God is what true christians try to discern before they take a stand on controversial christian issues. the reason i cant discuss christian issues with you is because you are not a christian, and you presently (note i say presently, and it doesnt have to remain so) do not have the capacity to discern the will, the spirit behind the laws, statutes and commands of God because you dont have the Holy Spirit operating in your life, and until you have the right spirit, you will remain dead and unfruitful in spiritual things. you will never experience christ in his beauty, the true power of the believer, the devil would so short-change you to the extent that when your eyes eventually opens, you would wonder who cast a spell on you. i only hope your eyes clear while you still have breath in your nostrills. frosbel give your life to Christ and not the founder of your sect. NB dont be deceived by those telling you how great a job you are doing, they would only keep you blind. i would have loved to pray for you again, but the last time i did, you called it a pagan prayer, nevertheless: Lord open the eyes of this child of yours that he may see the Light of Christ and experience you in the beauty of your holiness, to the glory of your holy name. free him from the grip of the evil one and set him apart for true christian service. I pray in the name of Jesus our Lord. Amen.

heavy and interesting.

carr96: Iv always been against catholic doctrines!
Deceivers of the multitude!


www.nairaland.com/1226443/hail-mary

check again, those are orthodox christian.
@ frosbel maybe your next post will be on anglicans and their images abi?

Segeggs: Orthodox or Not, i believe that with all these evidence, a deluded catholic will still come here and say ' catholic till i die'. How blind!

take a good look again, this one no concern catholics, unfortunately orthodox christian can't be found on Nl

Segeggs: Pls open a thread on protestant supporting gay marriage cos i dont support them too. Mind you my friend, he doesnt have any good intention for naija even with his hypocritical prayer-what i was pointing out.

its i pity am not into bashing other people.
So peace isn't a good intention? It seem u'll have to tell me how you define good intention.