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truthislight:

Hmmm!

italo: While I'm not excusing immoral behaviour...let us look at this little example: St Maximillian Kolbe gave himself in ransom to be executed in place of another man at the concentration camp in Auschwitz. Let us imagine that Maximillian (who was a priest) had abused the same man as a child previously; would you still maintain that no good can counter-balance that evil?

achina boy: there is nothing so special,it`s the type of things u hear every day,,but why it really made me mad,was the kind of respect i had for those on white and the people around them,and these respect also made me to join the sect,thinking that it is for God`s people and for holly people,because i wanted to be holly,i wanted to be a man of God,i wanted to be an instrument for God,but i was disappointed a long the line,,and let me point this out,,these people got no regard for any poor fellow,,,,,,it`s difficult for me to explain because am not making any point,but to make my point shot,,,,my experience as a seminarian and how i felt was like,,,,if u are a man,and u look up to your dad,,and you wants to be like your day,,and suddenly u saw ur dad crying because ur mama beats him,, just manage my explanation

debosky: What is your view regarding the 'causality' of homo-sexuality? Is it simply a 'deviant' behaviour chosen by some or is it something people are born with?

Kay 17: @Ubenedictus
These New Testament verses clearly approve of slavery and must have been the verses the slave masters used to justify the trans altantic slave trade.

kmcutez: What is so regulated about the slavery? Slavery is slavery abeg. Why don't you sell me your kids to be used as slaves.

Kay 17: Logicboy and truthlight, pls stop derailing my thread! Ubenedictus, what do you have to say about this OP?

lacum: what point do u think u made with dis post? everybody wants to write on d sins of anoda while it is clear dat d writer(s) is also a sinner.smh

MostHigh: THATS A SHAME, AFTER ALL YOU HAVE SAID ALREADY.

PEACE LOVE AND JOY!!!

okeyxyz: The sooner catholics(I come from a catholic background btw) begin to confront the truth the better for them. I can bet that over 60% of catholic clergy including reverend fathers and nuns are s.exual deviants. I believe a 100% of strict adherents(Yes, I said strict. That they don't marry does not mean they don't engage in s.exual activity) It's not possible that one would refuse nature without consequences. And the few who are are still straight, I can reason they remain straight because they engage in s.exual affairs with the opposite sex. That has got to be the only way they manage to maintain some s.exual sanity.

elampiro: I think we are saying the same thing but in different ways.

The church will go through a great time of suffering in the hands of the anti-pope (false prophet) and his cohort. The truth will be suppressed and the holy mass will be banned, but Jesus will come with his victory at the end. According to revelation 13, there will be two beasts. in our modern time, these two beasts have been foretold to be a certain Antipope and Antichrist to rule the world soon.

MostHigh: IS THAT ALL YOU GOT FROM THE MESSAGE?

“THE BOLDED IS AN IRRELEVANT CONCLUSION”

HOW SO?

IF HE IS INFALLIBLE AS YOU SAY THEN WHY CAN’T I AND YOURSELF ALSO BE INFALLIBLE BEING CO- EQUAL SONS OF GOD? TRY NOT TO SHOOT YOURSELF WHEN YOU ANSWER THIS ONE. AND NO CATHOLIC DOGMA PLS JUST SCRIPTURAL REFERENCES.

IS THE PAPACY NOT A HIERARCHICAL SYSTEM? (THE GREAT MOTHER OF HARLOTS)

IN ALL OF SCRIPTURE CHRIST WAS MOST VEHEMENT ABOUT THE RELIGIOUS HIERARCHICAL SYSTEM AND HERE YOU ARE A SELF CONFESSED DISCIPLE OF YASHUA UPHOLDING
THIS SAME SH.ITSTEM ALL THAT IS VILE AND ABOMINABLE.

YOU ARE TRULY IN SELF DENIAL, LOOK AT YOUR DOGMATIC WAY OF LIFE AND THE POWER STRUCTURES THAT CONTROL YOUR RELIGION AND TELL ME IF THAT IS RELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION.

PEACE LOVE AND JOY!!

Logicboy03: lol....you that came on this thread to attack my person and lie about slavery?
Delusional

elampiro: [b]Those fellow Christians celebrating the scandal in the Catholic church should watch it. It is the devil that is about to take over the world and persecute Christians all over. The devil has for decades trained and planted his apostles in the Vatican. They have been the once advocating for ordination of women, married priests, same sex marriage, abortion, etc. They grew in number and confidence over the years, and were sure to soon capture the papacy (position of the Pope). They encouraged their men to cause maximum scandals so that they can one day use it as a weapon to ruin the church and as an excuse to change the teachings. These things have been ongoing, there has been a struggle going on in the Vatican, but Pope John Paul II handled them so firmly during his time- he stamped his authority more over the evil sects and suppressed them.

When these evil people are able to get their man into the papacy, he will align with the evil one world order and force all nations and government into their agenda. All sexual sins will be pronounced not be sins again. Any church or anyone who teaches otherwise will face prosecution for going against the law. That is why they are legalising gayism, abortion, etc. Once the Catholic church is captured, it will be the beginning of the end of Christianity as we know it today. Everyone will have to go with the one world religion led by the false prophet and Antichrist. The false prophet will be the head of the one world religion, he will point to the Antichrist as the king of the world. The Antichrist will also be enthrone as the head of the one world government. What will are witnessing now are events already long prophesied in the Catholic realm. They MUST happen. Whether we will get to see one last good Pope is what I cannot say. But it is obvious the devil is already having his hour.

Just my little contribution based on what I knew already for years now.[/b]

proo212: Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues; Rev 18:4

He who has an ear, let him hear what the spirit (and the signs) are saying..

achina boy: Churches in general are just money making machine arranged by gready set of unbelievers presented to mugus like me and others,religion is man made,so we should not espect more that required,,,,,i was born a catholic,grew up in catholic,went to seminary school,wanted to be a rev fad,but the things i saw and experienced in the seminary is nothing to write home about,,,these things made me to think,is this really a place for God`s children or what,but still am waiting for Moses to come down from the mountain,because everything started from him,,,,he kept the isrealites in the desert went up to the mountain to meet God,personally, he saw no damn person there on the mountain,but what was he going to tell the inquisitive monkeys waiting for him downstairs that the God said? absolutly nothing,then he cooked up some lies and came down in the name of commandment,and ever since then,people has been living in lies because everything started with lies,,,,,,i wonder which way to follow now

plaetton: Has the catholic church been a force for good?
This was a recent debate on BBC.
Am quite sure this type of debate goes in public and private discussions everyday.
In recent decades, there is hardly a month that goes by without one scandal or another erupting from either the hallowed marbled chambers of the vatican or from the quite sanctums of a remote parish, or another.

In all human affairs, scandals and and scandalous behaviours are nothing new. What makes the scandals relating the catholic church mouth-watering and appetizing has much to do with What the catholic church is, and what they stand for(or say they stand for ).

In the not too distant past, the Catholic church was the most powerful institution in the whole world. The power of the pope, the cardinals, the bishops and priest were comparable to the power of emperors, kings and princes.
As the oldest organized religious denomination, it is, infact ,the mother of all christian denominations and sects.
As the grand shepherd of 1.2 billion faithful followers, the catholic church has been the most influential author, definer , and in recent past, the enforcer of earthly moral behaviour.

It appears, true to what many have always suspected, that behind all that facade of holiness, purity and high morality, are average human beings, under the camouflage of religious authority, doing the same immoral, hedonistic, greedy and selfish acts that most humans always do.

We see now that the final veils are being lifted off the sanctimonious hypocrisy of this stale institution. The centre can no longer hold.
The chicken is coming home to roost.

As we hear of priestly se.xual abuse scandals from nearly every corner of the world, we can only wonder and imagine just how many children have been se.xually molested by the prefects of this institution, unabashed, over the past 2000 years.

plaetton: Has the catholic church been a force for good?
This was a recent debate on BBC.
Am quite sure this type of debate goes in public and private discussions everyday.
In recent decades, there is hardly a month that goes by without one scandal or another erupting from either the hallowed marbled chambers of the vatican or from the quite sanctums of a remote parish, or another.

In all human affairs, scandals and and scandalous behaviours are nothing new. What makes the scandals relating the catholic church mouth-watering and appetizing has much to do with What the catholic church is, and what they stand for(or say they stand for ).

In the not too distant past, the Catholic church was the most powerful institution in the whole world. The power of the pope, the cardinals, the bishops and priest were comparable to the power of emperors, kings and princes.
As the oldest organized religious denomination, it is, infact ,the mother of all christian denominations and sects.
As the grand shepherd of 1.2 billion faithful followers, the catholic church has been the most influential author, definer , and in recent past, the enforcer of earthly moral behaviour.

It appears, true to what many have always suspected, that behind all that facade of holiness, purity and high morality, are average human beings, under the camouflage of religious authority, doing the same immoral, hedonistic, greedy and selfish acts that most humans always do.

We see now that the final veils are being lifted off the sanctimonious hypocrisy of this stale institution. The centre can no longer hold.
The chicken is coming home to roost.

As we hear of priestly se.xual abuse scandals from nearly every corner of the world, we can only wonder and imagine just how many children have been se.xually molested by the prefects of this institution, unabashed, over the past 2000 years.

Logicboy03: lol.......are you making the point that slavery is not in the bible? After the quotation of leveticus 25;44 has been beaten to death here?

Truthislight embarrassed himself here and you are trying to support him?


You do realise that slavery in the bible was worse than the tranatlantic slave trade?



Anyway, there is nothing to argue with you. You remain a delusional catholic. A slave to a holy organisations filled with hypocrite pedophiles and homosexuals. An organisation that once legalised slavery in its canon.

You are by definition a hypocrite and a liar. Allow me to take anything you say about slavery, molestation or christianity with a grain of salt

lagerwhenindoubt: The Press can be sensational and overly partisan when it comes to news that sells. but we must ask those hard questions, trickles of news of Gay priests and acts of molestation abound.. who knows what will happen if that hole is opened up just a bit. We can deny and makes excuses for isolated cases not forming a norm or generality in what is revered (worldwide) as a top-notch Christian Institution.. such incidents tend to have a deeper, closely-guarded cans-o-worms.

Apathy is not what is needed as seen throughout this thread.. asking those questions and probing further is what is required. if the institution is strong, it won't fall to criticism or probes, if it is found wanting, then you do not have to reason to far as to why the Pope will quit over such an issue.
After-all, He is God's Messenger here on Earth, he is no longer a private figure, he is public and a negative image of Christianity is not a light issue.

Limaoscar: That's all that you are "an organised institution" of 50% touch-touch...priests touching mostly men and emmm..a few women

mbulela: these clowns should leave us alone with their stories. If they are not raping small boys they are molesting adult males, if not they are forming conclaves and acting dodgy. He can choose whatever title suits him.

HugeMac: Please ooo dont be deceived , peter is not the first pope , there was nothing like division between the early christains , nothing like all these roman tradition , catholics are observing.
Catholic church was started by emperor constatine, at first the people of rome refused to abandon their pagan tradition for christainity thats why constatine had to introduce all these statues and cermonies to make them accept it and preserve their tradition. The romans worshiped the sun , so they changed sabath day from saturday to Sun-day. If u re a catholic during benediction just look at the type of cross the preist holds up, the cross and the rays of the sun fused together.
Paganism and christainity fused together. Why !? Am not telling u to beleive me. Do your research , MY PEOPLE PERISH FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.

Frostyzone: I should care less about who's the better Christian or not, considering that I don't even believe in god or gods.

What I said is solely based on personal observations, which is also a well known fact among non-Catholics.

If you see it as an insult, then it means you are being defensive or protective which automatically translate to me being right after all.

Frostyzone: There is nothing Holy about the Catholic Church. Infact, they will be the first to tell you that there is no such thing as speaking in tongues or miracles.

So how can they believe in the holy spirit when they don't believe in all of these holy spirit qualities...or so I'm told.

all4naija: Fisherman's Ring! That is funny. I think there is something fishy about the whole resigning thing and the fisherman's ring!

truthislight: When you produce the scriptural references, we will examined the context of what you are talking about.

Peace for now.

truthislight: Which christ?

The christ that is beneath the pope?

Can a slave be greater than his master?

Christ said that a slave is not greater than his master but your organization and your pope is greater than christ and his apostles.

which christ are you talking about?
The one under the pope?
"a slave is not greater than his master"

MostHigh: YOU ARE REACHING FOR STRAWS NOW
TWINSTING YOUR WORDS KE?
ABI YOU NO UNDERSTAND WETIN YOU DET TALK?
IT IS YOU AND YOUR FATHER THAT ARE THE DECIEVERS
FIRST YOU SAY HE IS INFALLIBLE BEING MADE HIGHER THAN ALL OTHER SONS OF GOD AND WAS PLACED THERE TO LORD OVER US. I QUOTE THE MASTER IN MATH 20:25, MARK 10:42 LUKE 22:25.

WE ARE EQUAL IN THE SIGHT OF THE MOSTHIGH GOD ONCE WE OVERCOME YOU AND YOUR FATHER WHICH IS THE WORLD REV 3:21.
FROM MATH 22:43-45 IS IT NOT CLEAR TO YOU IN THE KINGDOM IT IS LORD TO LORD?

WHO IS THIS OVERULER CLAIMING SUPIRIORITY? MUST BE LUCIFER THE SUN GOD (SUNDAY WORSHIP)
MAY THE WORDS OF YASHUA PURIFY YOU LIKE SILVER IN FIRE

YOU PROUDLY CLAIM YOUR FATHER AS THE ASSISTANT OR VICE OF GOD THE SON, AND THUS DIRECTLY CLAIMING TO BE GOD ON EARTH. BUT WHEN I ASKED YOU WHY THE VICE WHO HAS ALL POWERS LIKE HIS MASTER IS UNABLE TO HEAL LIKE HIS MASTER YOU SAY HE IS A HUMBLE SERVANT

WHICH ONE IS IT?

IS HE INFALLIBLE OR NOT?

EAT YOU CAKE AND HAVE IT THEN BURN IN HELL FIRE.

BEING INFALLIBLE COMES WITH THE GREATEST RESPONSIBILTY AS WE HAVE COME TO SEE ONLY THE MOST HIGH GOD IS INFALLIBLE EVEN YASHUA IBN JOSEPH NEVER CLAIMED TO BE INFALLIBLE
IN ALL HUMILITY HE ANSWERD EVERY QUESTION PUT FORTH TO HIM AND TOOK RESPONSIBILTY FOR ALL HIS ACTIONS AND WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL HIS SHEEP.

THEOLOGY 101: THE ASSISTANT OF THE MOST HIGH GOD ON EARTH IS IN OTHER WORDS GODS RIGHT HAND MAN ON EARTH AS WE CAN SEE IN THE EXAMPLE OF CHRIST YASHUA INB JOSEPH.PLEASE NOTE ACTS 7:55, MARK 16:19
UBENEDICTUS THE RIGHT HAND MAN OF GOD ON EARTH IS GOD ON EARTH GET IT?

PEACE LOVE AND JOY!!!